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Hola a todos:

Primero que nada quiero agradecer a Katy Brecht Quesada por su valioso aporte publicando los índices de dispensas, ordenes y capellanías.

En estos días he estado revisando los documentos de ordenes y capellanías. De estas últimas tenía poco conocimiento, así que leí el artículo realizado por Gisela von Wobeser titulado "LA FUNCIÓN SOCIAL Y ECONÓMICA DE LAS CAPELLANÍAS DE MISAS EN LA NUEVA ESPAÑA EN EL SIGLO XVIII" con lo que logré una mayor compresión de las mismas.
Un dato que me llamó la atención es que el capellán gozaba de un 5% anual del valor de la Capellanía y que muchas veces este dinero lo empleaba para costear sus estudios de sacerdocio, en caso de ser apenas aspirante.

Por lo tanto me gustaría saber si alguno de Ustedes sabe 1) ¿Cuánto dinero costaba en aquel entonces estudiar y recibirse como sacerdote? 2) Si por ejemplo una persona daba cuatro mil pesos en efectivo y el capellán recibía el 5% anual es decir 200 pesos al pasar 20 años y la renta anual finalmente pasaba los cuatro mil pesos donados, la capellanía desaparecía?

Les agradezco de antemano,
Enrique Salvador Agraz V.

Primos,

Apenas empece a revisar los microfilms de ordenes sacerdotales de la Diócesis de Guadalajara, ya digitalizadas. ( ejemplo: family search microfilm # 168682). La colección de muchos microfilms ofrece invaluable información, ya que el aspirante al sacerdocio tenia que hablar de sus padres y sus abuelos (en realidad de su familia en general). Eso me permitió anoche en unir dos ramas de mi árbol. Pero lo importante de esta colección es que me tope que con hay muchas DISPENSAS MATRIMONIALES entremezcladas. Las fechas dentro de los microfilms están totalmente fuera de orden. Por ejemplo microfilm 168681 (catalogo 1662-1692) incluye información de 1648. Ojala que esta información los ayude en sus investigaciones.

Saludos desde Seattle

susana

I compiled a comprehensive list of the indexed films of the Guadalajara marriage dispensations to help track of which films have been indexed. The sources included are the following:

**Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara by Maria de la Luz Montejano Hilton (book)

** http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/ by Claudia Casillas

** http://guadalajaradispensas.tumblr.com/ by Katy Brecht

There are three files; I created lists by year, source, and FHL film number. The link to the reference folder is the following:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21881

Within each file, I created hyperlinks for each indexed list of names and for each film link at familysearch.org. In the Word document, simply press "CTRL" and click on the link to go to the page.

I couldn't find the link for one particular film, and another film location at Familysearch includes an incorrect film.

Please let me know if there are any errors or questions, and I hope you find this helpful.

Rosalinda

"Genealogía de Nochistlán antiguo reino de la Nueva Galicia en el siglo XVII según sus archivos parroquiales" my Libary here in TEXAS has a copy but only to use in the Libary. a book like this needs to be looked at slowly carefully for research and have for a couple of days if any one knows how to buy or get a copy that would be great thanks

Is there anyway to view either a digital copy or at least an index with parents names for records in towns such as colotlan, jerez, tepetongo, huejucar, or tlaltnenango. For example, there's record gaps in jerez and tlaltnenago.

In jerez there's no baptism records between 1840-1866,1720 's (-ish)-1745,1785-1796,1801-1805,1816-1818 or 1829-1835, but yet you can find baptism records between mid 1600's-early 1700's, 1746-1749,1755-1758, 1761-1784,1797-1800, 1806-1815,1819-1828, 1836-1840, and 1867-1960. Another example would be how there's no marriage records from 1705-1712 in the tlaltenango matrimonios 1626-1723.

i'd also like to see more marriage records in tepetongo pre-1819(there's only a few select marriage records from 1770's in one of the tepetongo baptism record collection),pre-1720 colotlan marriage records, or pre-1765 baptisms and marriage records in huejucar.

Just to remind you the Colotlan territory they use to follow the name od the day Saint calendar.

http://www.guiainfantil.com/articulos/nombres/cristianos-santos/calenda…

Try finding the Saint of the name of the relative your looking and see the day that may be the day of birth or the baptism day, if you know the year it may help some

Just to remind you the Colotlan territory they use to follow the name od the day Saint calendar.

http://www.guiainfantil.com/articulos/nombres/cristianos-santos/calenda…

Try finding the Saint of the name of the relative your looking and see the day that may be the day of birth or the baptism day, if you know the year it may help some

I have seen many post regarding this family tree. I have 4 family tree branches connect to this family tree. Can we make a shared family tree. POsting all data about this tree.

I am using the familysearch.org family tree. This is my id number Jose Luis Zambrano
LD27-WZP.

If you guys have enter and found the perish records and have id numbers for the marquez family please share them in this forum so that we can join all our family tree using the same id number.

Jesus Marquez
LVQ6-3WR

Josefa Marques
LV7R-59N

Since they have the same parent i want to use the same id number, and since i have seen a lot of people posting linaje to this family i want us to get together and use the same id number so that all our work of finding data can be shared and our work is a join effort.

Please post id numbers or documents links for the perish you have of this person.

Next id i need to make is their father: Does anyone have inputed id numbers for this person?
Eugenio Marquez Enciso 1844 and Ma del Refugio Carlos Guizar 13 Nov 1870.

next parent generation:
Juan Jose Marquez Martinez & Ma Trinidad Enciso Gonzalez (carrizal) (capulin) (hija de Pablo y Josefa)

Next parent generation:
Julian Marquez (de los Olivos) Sanchez (Jan 17 1755 Tlalt.) (oo) & Ma Josefa Dolores Martinez

Next parent generation:
Francisco Xavier Marquez (de los O) Sanchez (oo Feb 22 1751, Tlaltenango, Zacatecas, Mex. & Ma Narcisa Sanchez Sandoval

Next parent generation:
Phelipe Marquez (de los Olivos) ( +1722) & Francisca Xaviera Sanchez (+1723)

Next parent generation:
Jose Marquez??? (ver image 269 del archivo : Diócesis de Guadalajara, Matrimonios 1803, parte 1)

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18411-56320-83?cc=1874591&wc…

It looks like we are all working in finding more data for this common ancestor. Please email me so we can get all the data in family search as a join effort.

itzcoatzin gmail.com

I have attached to this post my family tree they are all from Colotlan , Jalisco, Mexico.

Hello primos/primas:

Where would someone be baptized if born in San Nicolas de los Garza,
Nuevo Leon, Mexico. I am looking for Martiate Garza (approx. 1850)

Thank you,

Olga

my grandparents Jose Trinidad Duran and Maris Trinidad Alvarez both from Chalchisco from around jalpa does any one know or might be link to any of them any info will help. does any one have the ancestry for the Duran surname from the book of the
"Genealogía de Nochistlán antiguo reino de la Nueva Galicia en el siglo XVII según sus archivos parroquiales" that will help so much thanks

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18413-54785-48?cc=1874591&wc…

no where in the document did it mention them being related, but yet i found their marriage record here instead of the monte escbed informaciones matrimoniales.

I am in the Haplogroup G with the M 201 group

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From: Angel R. Cervantes [mailto:angelrcervantes@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 1:02 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: The Vandal Connection to New Mexican Families (Haplogroup I & Haplogroup G)

Hello,

I would like to invite you to attend a lecture on the Vandal connection to New Mexican Families (Haplogroup I and Haplogroup G). If you would like to learn more about the mark this ancient civilization made on the Iberian Peninsula then this presentation is for you. There will be a presentation on the subject on July 24, at 3:30 PM, through the University of New Mexico Continuing Education program.

Here is a link to sign up for the presentation:

http://newmexico.augusoft.net/index.cfm?method=ClassInfo.ClassInformati… &int_class_id=71148&int_category_id=18&int_sub_category_id=264&int_catalog_id=0

Best Regards,
Ángel de Cervantes
Executive Director
New Mexico DNA Project
Iberian Peninsula DNA Institute

gertrudis olague is related to manuel olague?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18378-5331-41?cc=1874591&wc=…

Hello i would like to invite you all to test your grandparent male or father male or the oldest member of your family.

According to my dna i am 30 % native american and northen jalisco was 100% native america on 1700. So it would be good to have the dna for every family in the database to find dna connections of our tribes.

Its 100USD and its only saliva.

http://refer.23andme.com/v2/share/object/542205d6eb8efb2c3af4b3bb2013ec…

trying to find grandparents from this time SURNAMES Perez,Salas,Villarreal from Teocaltihillo and Duran,Cocolan,Lozano from Jalpa Zac. I see some of 1883 record book for births but not all in Family Search or any suggestion would be appreciated thank you for seeing my post

I Have been searching and searching for my grandmother,Enriqueta Medina Alva's birth record for a long time now, to no avail.She was born on April 24, 1880, Jerez, Zacatecas. Her father, Faustino Alva,died right before she was born. Her mother was Amada Avila (Alba)Medina.I read somewhere that some one had seen some Jerez records in another city's record. I believe it was in Apostol, Zacatecas.I have checked and checked and have been unable to find such records. Has any one heard of,or seen, such a thing? I could use any advise on this research.

Saludos,

Raul Cristena Luna

Seeking informaron about my maternal 6th grandparents. Jose Leon de Pena was born abt. 1709; and Juana Maria Soto abt. 1701. Both deceased bef. 08 Nov 176. Thank you.

Seeking informaron about my maternal 6th grandparents. Jose Leon de Pena was born abt. 1709; and Juana Maria Soto abt. 1701. Both deceased bef. 08 Nov 176. Thank you.

Seeking informaron about my maternal 6th grandparents. Jose Leon de Pena was born abt. 1709; and Juana Maria Soto abt. 1701. Both deceased bef. 08 Nov 176. Thank you.

Seeking informaron about my maternal 6th grandparents. Jose Leon de Pena was born abt. 1709; and Juana Maria Soto abt. 1701. Both deceased bef. 08 Nov 176. Thank you.

Seeking informaron about my maternal 6th grandparents. Jose Leon de Pena was born abt. 1709; and Juana Maria Soto abt. 1701. Both deceased bef. 08 Nov 176. Thank you.

I am curious about something. Is the Marquez surname a shortened version
of Marquez de los Olivos? My Marquez of which I have very very little
information tie into Sauz de Los Marquez as well and I wonder if they
are the same Marquez de los Olivos?

I have very very little on my Marquez that were living in Sauz de Los
Marquez. You can find the full report here under "Jose Maria Rivas"
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/13828

but the info that is directly related is:

Descendants of Jose Maria Rivas

Generation No. 1

1. JOSE MARIA RIVAS was born Abt. 1739. He married MARIA SIMONA
MARQUEZ. She was born Abt. 1751.

Children of JOSE MARIA RIVAS and MARIA SIMONA MARQUEZ are:
2. i. BARBARA RIVAS MARQUEZ.
3. ii. MARIA ANTONIA RIVAS MARQUEZ.
4. iii. MARIA PAULINA RIVAS MARQUEZ, b. Abt. 1781.
5. iv. HIPOLITA CACIANA RIVAS MARQUEZ, b. Abt. 1782.
v. JOSE VICENTE SIMON RIVAS MARQUEZ, b. 30 October 1791, Sauz de
los Marquez, Jalisco, Mexico.

More About JOSE VICENTE SIMON RIVAS MARQUEZ:
Baptism: 30 Nov 1791
Note:: "de un mes nacido en el Saus de los Marquez. . ."
Padrinos: Jose Mariano Guzman y Juana Rosalia

thanks,

joseph

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18737-28799-98?cc=1874591&wc…

i found this marriage record for an ancestor of mines and i saw that he came from that place, but i'm not sure where it's at.

does anyone have an e-mail address for Mr. Leonardo de la Torre Berumen in Jerez?
I thought he was part of Nuestros Ranchos but I don't see his name.
Linda Castanon-Long
Olympia, Wa