Nuestros Ranchos Site

For my fellow genealogists:
Maria de Islas y Sotomayor indicated in her will dated 8 Feb1713 that she and her late husband Agustin Lopez de la Cerda had five children(Felix Juan el mayor, Juan el menor, Agustina, Esteban and Antonio) and thatthey all married.  Her testament can beaccessed online in the Aguascalientes archives.

 
Felix Juan el mayor age 29 married 6 Feb 1701 AGS to ElviraLopez Muñoz (aka Elvira de Cobos), hijalegitima de Miguel de Cobos and Teresa Lopes Muños.  I stress hijalegitima because Elvira’s mother was deceased and her father was a priestwhen Elvira married.  On that same day inAGS Juan el menor age 27 married Teresa Lopez Muñoz (aka Teresa de Cobos),sister of Elvira.  When the brothersprovided their marriage information on January 17 and 18, 1701, one of theirwitnesses was Francisco Martin de Sotomayor, their primo hermano.
 
It appears that 1701 was a busy year for the Lopez de laCerda family.  On 20 Dec 1701 the two youngerbrothers also gave information to marry. Esteban age 22 planned to marry Josepha Ramirez de Hermosillo.  Antonio age 21 wanted to marry her sisterRosa Maria Ramirez de Hermosillo.  Bothwomen were born and raised in Jalostotitlan and were the daughters of NicolasRamirez de Hermosillo (deceased) and Francisca Gutierrez de Barba.  I assume they did marry although I do nothave the actual marriage dates.
 
Much of this data, including their ages, is available in the1699-1719 Marriage Information records of Cienega de Mata, Jalisco (Film640168).  You can find them on FamilySearch.  I'm reading off of an old Family Group Sheet and do not have internet links to give you.
 
So we have the two older brothers marrying sisters, as wellas the two younger brothers marrying sisters. As for the 5 Feb 1713 marriage of Juan to Anna Maria Muñoz de la Barba,I haven’t seen the document and assume it is his second marriage.  And I wonder who that Antonio could be whomarried Josepha Alonso de los Hinojos in 1695.  These are not my direct ancestors, so I don’t have extensive data.  For that reason I do not have anything onAgustina.
 
Mary Lou

Wondering if any one has taken a look at this dispensa. It's for Francisco's daughters Maria Jauregui, and Cathalina Chaves. It's very long
And I do not know what it says. I did not see any trees can someone please help.
It is in Katy's dispenses matrimonios 1690-1695, 1707,1709. 249-283 of 620 film 167980. You have to go into the 1700's to get to it, the 1600's indexes doesn't give you the right one.

Thank you much Lisa

Hola Members , I am researching a Maria Fermina Munoz -daughter of Herculano Munoz and Tiburcia Jimenez.

Maria Fermina Munoz born 08 of July 1908 in Aguascalientes ,Aguascalientes . Maria Fermina 's baptismal date is 19 of July in El Sagrario in Aguascalientes.

The problem is either I am slow or I am not looking in the right spot , I can't find El Sagrario -Aguascalientes in order to search for records.

I have been looking at Family Search Records -Church and Civil with no luck. Does anybody know where to look for El Sagrario -Aguascalientes or Civil Records.

I base my dates on a copy of a baptismal record of El Sagrario but I can't find them in the Familysearch web

Thank you for your time

Ronnie Reynoso

Estimados miembros de NR,

Investigando mis antepasados Hernandez en Coahuila, el ultimo registro que tengo es el del siguiente matrimonio con fecha del 25/Sep/1818 en Parras, Coahuila:

Novio: Casildo Hernandez
Padres: Tomas Hernandez y Atanacia Gonzalez
Se menciona que eran originarios de Fresnillo (Zacatecas)

Novia: Maria de Jesus Garcia
Padres: Cosme Garcia y Martina Morales
Se menciona que eran originarios de Aguascalientes

Tendra alguien de Uds. informacion de estas familias?

El caso de Fresnillo de antemano se que no hay esperanza, con eso de que no hay informacion en lines de esas fechas.

Saludos y gracias de antemano por cualquier dato que me puedan aportar.

Bernardo Menchaca

since i've been in the mod for indexing these lately, i've decided to share some i found that aren't listed on my index blog yet.

francisco escobedo-https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18382-39367-28?cc=1874591&wc…
lorenzo carrillo davila-https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18376-20234-23?cc=1874591&wc…
leandro martinez del barragan-https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18380-63004-11?cc=1874591&wc…
pedro garcia miramontes- https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18380-19433-37?cc=1874591&wc…
bartolome de la torre-https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18378-43142-12?cc=1874591&wc…
mariano carlos de godoy-https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18378-20069-50?cc=1874591&wc…
pedro jose carrillo -https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18377-15883-12?cc=1874591&wc…

i'm thinking of making a personal genealgy blog on either tumblr or wordpress. many of the entries will be focused on dead relatives or ancestors on my mom's side of the family since i've been able to find much more on her side than my dad's. the entries will be kinda similar to those found here: http://dna-explained.com/

Dear friends and members of the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society,

I have been busy the last few days updating our website. The agenda, date
and location of our next meeting are posted there. I am attaching the
revised bylaws and the agenda here for your convenience. Please take a few
moments to navigate the website and report any broken links or needed
updates to me. You'll notice that the banner has been updated to be
consistent with the Facebook Group page. It is a beautiful map of Nueva
España and Nueva Galicia that Erika Rivera found. Thank you Erika!

The meeting is scheduled as follows:

Location - Robbie Waters Pocket-Greenhaven Library

Date: 11 Jul 2015 Address: 7335 Gloria Drive

Time: 12:10 PM Sacramento, CA 95831

I was unable to find a free meeting room on the third Saturday of the month
and had to change the time to 12:10 PM due to room availability.

I hope to see you all in July.

Maria Cortez

NGGS Quarterly meeting Robbie Waters
Pocket-Greenhaven Library

7/11/2015
7335 Gloria Drive

Time: 11:30 AM
Sacramento, CA 95831

Meeting called by: Owner

Please bring: Family Group Sheet or Pedigree charts and laptops. Documents
that you want translated.

12:10– 12:20 p.m.

Introductions

New Member introductions

All

12:20 – 12:40 p.m.

Documents Translation

Anna Arellano-Smith

12:40– 12:50 p.m.

Treasurer’s report

Review Treasurer’s report

Collect dues

Maria Loera

12:50 p.m. – 1:20 p.m.

Break/Lunch

All - Pack a lunch or snacks and a beverage.

1:20 – 2:15 p.m.

Family Tree Research

All

2:15 – 2:30 p.m.

Minutes from last meeting

Review and approve

Irma Gomez-Lucero

2:30 - 2:50 p.m.

Plan next meeting location & agenda

Robbie Waters Library

Date: 17 Oct 2015

Time: 11:30 - 2:30

Maria Cortez

3:00 p.m.

Meeting adjourns

Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society Bylaws

ARTICLE I
Name

The name of this Society shall be Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society.

ARTICLE II
Object

The object of this Society shall be
a. to provide a venue for persons to share their Hispanic genealogy;
b. to assist those needing help in researching their Hispanic ancestry; and
c. to gather genealogical data of Nueva Galicia, Mexico.

ARTICLE III
Members

Section 1. Membership. The membership of this Society shall be open to
anyone interested in Hispanic genealogy.
Section 2. Dues. The annual dues shall be $20.00 dollars, payable in advance
on or before January 1 of each year. The Treasurer shall notify members 1
month in arrears by e-mail.
Section 3. A member is defined as anyone who regularly attends quarterly
meetings and pays yearly dues.

Section 4. Couples may opt to pay $20.00 per year in dues, but will only be
allowed one vote.

ARTICLE IV
Officers

Section 1. Officers and Duties. The officers of the Society shall be a
President, a Vice-President, a Secretary, and a Treasurer. These officers
shall perform the duties prescribed by these bylaws.
Section 2. Nomination Procedure, Time of Elections. At the regular meeting
held on the month of April, members shall nominate Candidates for Office who
have been active members for a minimum of one year. The election of Officers
will take place at the annual meeting in July.

Section 3. Ballot Election, Term of Office. The officers shall be elected by
ballot to serve for two years or until their successors are elected, and
their term of office shall begin on July 1st. With the approval of the
Society, the vote by ballot may be dispensed with in favor of voice vote if
only one person is nominated for an office.
Section 4. Office-Holding Limitations. No member shall hold more than one
office at a time, and no member shall be eligible to serve more than two
consecutive terms in the same office.
Section 5. Parliamentarian. The President may appoint a Parliamentarian with
the approval of the Society.
Section 6. Vacancies. A vacancy in the office of the President shall be
filled by the Vice President. All other vacancies shall be filled by the
Society.

A. The President shall:

1. Preside at all meetings of NGGS and the Board.

2. Be the principal executive officer with responsibility for the general
supervision of the affairs of NGGS.

3. Be the official spokesperson of NGGS. Represent NGGS in all matters
concerning external affairs and relations with other organizations.

B. The Vice President shall:

1. Assume the presidency in the absence, incapacity, or resignation of the
President.

2. Oversee the management of NGGS office.

C. The Secretary shall:

1. Maintain an accurate record of the proceedings of NGGS and the Board.

2. Ensure that all official documents of NGGS are in a safe repository.

3. Maintain files of all committee reports.

D. The Treasurer shall:

1. Be custodian of the funds of NGGS and disburse or invest them pursuant
of the Board's policy or directive.

2. Present a proposed budget for the next fiscal year to the Board within
the first thirty days of the fiscal year.

3. Prepare financial reports for each Board meeting and at the end of the
fiscal year.

4. Make all financial records available for audit within thirty days after
the close of the fiscal year.

E. Removal of Officers:

http://censoarchivos.mcu.es/CensoGuia/directorioarchivosInicial.htm

http://censoarchivos.mcu.es/CensoGuia/enlaces.htm

I am reading in the PARS website about the viaje to Mexico en 1712 by Juan Olivan De Rebolledo. I was interested in this word "Admirante" which then later found out it means "Admiral"

http://oi62.tinypic.com/6z4jyu.jpg

I found it in the pars website: http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/search/-/s/n

Reference: CONTRATACION,5466,N.2,R.30

Pg 11

I think the Admiral is Juan De Esteban De Ubilla. I looked him up which led me to this enlace:

http://censoarchivos.mcu.es/CensoGuia/fondoDetail.htm?archivoId=10&id=9…

I find a FamilySearch reference to a marriage in 1654 in Aguascalientes. Here is the link: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JHP1-LBC

But the first book in the menu for matriomonios is 1663-1702. Does anyone know how to get to the book before that one? Or is it not viewable? These 2 people are 10th-great grandparents - I would love to go back one more generation.

The line I am researching is documented through Ana Francisca Gabadí (marriage of her daughter Lorensa in 1623 and birth of her son Bernabé in 1618) or Gabay (from her burial record in 1652).

I have gone back and read the threads on the topic of Martín Navarro and Petronila de Moctezuma (beginning about 2006), and I understand that there is the widespread supposition that Ana Francisca is a daughter of Martín and Petronila. My question is this: has there been anything definitive since then (the 2006 and later threads) to establish proof of this connection?

I should point out that, while it would be fascinating to establish a connection to Moctezuma II, that is an historical curiosity; my purpose is to follow the genealogical leads wherever they go. I am currently reading Chipman's "Moctezuma's Children", which I purchased online from the UT Press—on-demand printing, quick service, and not expensive.

Prospero Año Nuevo / Happy New Year to all,
Lawrence Bouett

Rose,

Thanks for the information. Bernardo Ruiz de Esparza, alias Bernardo Salado, was indeed a legitimate son of Lope Ruiz de Esparza. I have lots of documentation to prove that. Attached you will find excerpts of his final will and testament, which reads as follows:
Testamento de Bernardo Ruiz de Esparza

Sello Tercero, Un Real, Años de Mil Seiscientos y Noventa, y Noventa y Uno.

En Nombre de Dios Todo Poderoso y de su Vendita Madre la Siempre Virgen Maria concebida en Gracia y Gloria desde el primer instante de su ser. Amen.
Notorio y manifiesto sea a los que este pressente testamento vieren, como yo, Bernardo Ruys de Esparssa, hijo legitimo de Lope Ruys de Esparssa y de Francisca Gabai su Lexitima Muxer, vezinos que fueron de esta Villa de Aguas calientes de donde soy natural y actualmente vezino estando en mi entera salud cabal, juissio, memoria y entendimiento....etc. etc.

On a different paragraph, he continues
Y ten declaro que fui casado y velado segun horden de Ntra. Sta. Madre Yglesia Chatolica Romana, con Chatalina Lossano, Hija Lexitima de Juan Lozano y de Ysabel de Friaz su Lexitima Muxer, vecinos que fueron del pueblo de Theocaltiche, y que con la susodicha dote...etc. etc.
What I cannot understand is why the alias "Salado" that was given to Bernardo and to several generations of his descendants. They were all Ruiz de Esparza as shown in most documents, but every now and then the alias "Salado" pops up in some document.

I will check each and every one of the individuals you have in your list, but it is going to take me some time. They are all my relatives and I belive I have them all are in my database. Unfortunately, I am tied up with lots of work, but will try to make some time next weekend.

Bill Figueroa
----- Original Message -----
From: hardyr
To: Bill Figueroa
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 7:44 PM
Subject: Esparza/Salado

Bill

I had the information posted at Nuestros Ranchos on the Salado/Esparza mystery...but I messed up my file....I've asked for Joseph's help...I haven't a clue to what I did...but this is the information I have....and believe me there are enough Bernardo Salados to go around

:-)
Rose Hardy

does anyone have any information on Cocolan last name anything will help thanks

My name is Olga Torres Placencia and I live in El Paso, Texas. I have recently taken to look up my descendants in honor of my mother life. My mother was Maria Placencia Torres. She was born in Santa Maria de los Angeles, Jalisco, Mexico in 1934. Her parents were Filomeno Placencia Galvez 1896 - 1983 and Soledad Romero Placencia. Her grandparents were on her father's side were Roman Placencia 1865 and Benigna Galvez. Roman Placencia's parents were Jose Domingo Placencia 1816 and Monica Romero. Domingo's parents were Jose Rafael Placencia 1795 and Ynozencia Sanchis. Rafael's parents were Juan Ynasio Placencia 1764 and Maria Balentina Robles. Juan Ynasio Placencia's parents were Felis Fernando Placencia 1732 and Gertrudis Guerrero. Felis Fernando Placencia's parents were Ysidro Placencia and Gertrudis Rodriguez.

On my father's side Ruben Torres Ramos. He was born in the Barrio de San Miguel in Santa Maria de los Angeles, Jalsico, Mexico. His parents were Jose Torres 1882 and Julia Ramos. Jose's parents were Benito Torres and Mariana Pichardo. He was an illegimate child. Mariana Pichardo Garcia was born 1865 and died in San Antonio, Bexas county on July 26, 1873. I would love to know more about her. Benito Torres's 1864 parents were Jose Esteven Torres 1840 and Petra Yglesiaz. Jose Esteven Torres's father were Bernabe Torres 1822 and Maria Antonia Lopez. Bernabe Torres's parents were Francisco Torres and Lugarda Sarmiento.

Any further information would really be helpful.

Old photographs year 1864 (during the time Mexican/French War)

Scroll to bottom and you will see a number of old photographs of Zacatecas and Aguascalientes:

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8432925f.r=aguascalientes.langEN

Hello, my name is Rayna Babette Allen. My great-grandmother, Pascuala Aceves, was born in Sayula, Jalisco in 1854 and moved to California when she was about 16 years old. After decades of searching by her descendants, I finally found the names of her parents in December 2014. Pascuala's parents were Manuel Asebes and Maria Juana Lopez, both of Sayula. Because I was able to find Baptismal records, other names also opened up.

The parents of Manuel Asebes were Bernardo Asebes and Maria Urzula Villalbazo.
The parents of Maria Juana Lopez were Mario Lopes and Antonia Cuevas.

The parents of Bernardo Asebes were Pedro Asebes and Maria Gertrudis Paz.
The parents of Maria Urzula Villalbazo were Francisco Xabier Villalbazo and Maria Francisca Dias.

Pascuala also had siblings: Agustina Aceves (married Fernando Teodoro Marcus Bengsohn), Maria Clara Aceves, Atilano Aceves, Maria Romula Aceves (married Emil Tiburce Murat), Jose Eucebio Acebes, and, Bernardo Aceves (aka Fernando). Pascuala married William Francis Adams.

At this point I am stuck, however, I am very grateful for what I've found after years of searching.

I have taken the ancestry.com DNA test and uploaded my results to gedmatch.com. Because of the ancestry.com DNA test I have found great-grandchildren of Pascuala's sisters Agustina and Maria Romula. It is so exciting for all of us and we are in contact almost daily. These 3rd cousins and others in our family have also taken DNA tests.

Thank you for letting me be a part of this group!

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/raynababette

http://gallica.bnf.fr/Search?ArianeWireIndex=index&f_typedoc=images&q=m…

Check this out:

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b2300041h.r=mexico.langFR
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b5902225s/f1.zoom
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b2300041h/f1.zoom.r=mexico

i’ve made an ordenes and capellenias categories. i’m gonna focus on those for a bit since they are a tad bit easier since most of the time each document has more pages than the average marriage dispensation.

if you’d like to volunteer, shoot me an email at detective1920@yahoo.com or ponyboycurtis@live.com and either send an index you did on your own that hasn’t been done on my index site or the original one + telling me what name you’d like on the credits OR ask me to send you one of my incomplete indexes. I have like close to 20 ordenes and marriage dispensations indexing sitting in my indexes in progress folder on google docs.

i might change the theme soon as well.

Hi Katy,
I don't descend from this family, but, from everything I've read, Maria Cid is always described as either a sister or a half-sister. And, I think a Will dated in the 1500s is a much more reliable source than a record of orders dated nearly two hundred years later.
Chris

Copy this reference no.

MP-MEXICO,360

To: http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

Here is a picture of what it looks like. But if you enlarge it you can see the names of all the pueblos:

http://oi62.tinypic.com/2rwtj6g.jpg

http://www.europeana.eu/portal/search.html?qf=DATA_PROVIDER%3a%22Cat%C3…

Or in the search area, type what you want to search for:

http://www.europeana.eu/portal/

https://cronicascartograficas.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/mexcity1524-2…

I also found this link that has old books of Mexico:

http://www.artandbooksonline.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=2_83&osCsid=el…

are miguel caldera and maria cid siblings or is miguel caldera her uncle. miguel's will refers to maria cid as his sister, but tomas villegas's ordenes refers to miguel as being maria cid's uncle.

here's the link to the page on tomas villegas's ordenes that states miguel is maria cid' uncle.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18379-41013-45?cc=1874591&wc…

http://guadalajaradispensas.tumblr.com/post/121254094293/ordenes-1756-1…

i've decided to index this today and was able to this within 4-5 hours (with breaks in between). i'm probably gonna do more indexing of these as well.

also i;m working on part 2 of the matrimonios 1811 records since the first part is like only jocotepec records.

Interesting reading about the Limon last name my mom is from yahualica Jalisco do you know where does the Limon come from I have heard they have shepardic lineage. I would love to know more about this. Cualquier información será muy agradecida

Sent from my iPhone

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6invajbk0zzo4jm/Letters%20Edited%20for%20Dist…

i question the accuracy of page 153 since miguel's will said that he only had one daughter named isabel. so it's unlikely the jose cid is miguel's son. also how did holcombe verify that the pedro cid who married maria carrillo is a son of hernan gonzales and maria cid