I was reading this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nueva_Galicia
" Nueva Galicia's territory became the present-day states of Aguascalientes, Colima, Jalisco, Nayarit and Zacatecas"
But after looking at the Catholic Church Archives of La Nueva Galicia. It often starts out mentioning the Obispo de Guadalajara de La Nueva Galicia de las provincias de Nayarit, Coahuila, Durango, Los Californias, Texas Del Consejo.
La Gaceta was one of the newspapers that was in circulation since 1722 in Mexico and I had gone to a website of the UNAM where you just enter what you want to look for in basic search. For example, "Fernando De La Campa y Cos" and it would list all newspapers along with years that has articles highlighted in yellow containing the words "Fernando De La Campa." I was quickly able to read old articles going as far back as 1722.
But it seems the UNAM changed their website:
http://www.hndm.unam.mx/index.php/es/
Now when I try to search for "Fernando De La Campa" It doesn't look for the exact words even if I go to advanced search. Also now many of those articles are:
"Restringido (PDF)" means you can only look at them from within the institution.
"Publico" means you can view them on the internet.
I can't find Fernando De La Campa like before they changed their website.
Do any of you know of other websites to look at old newspaper articles during colonial times?
I didn't realize this but I did a search in the Pars website for "Lista De Pasajeros" and a lot comes up.
I was reading the pasajero de indias (Cadiz, Espana) a la Nueva Espana of Juan De Rebolledo year 1717 and here is a physical description of him:
21 anos de edad, blanco, poco barba, ojos grandes negros, pelo castano oscuro:
http://oi61.tinypic.com/oqk3h1.jpg
Pars website: http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest
Reference to look up: CONTRATACION,5469,N.3,R.98
Description on page 6
Juan De Rebolledo was the husband of Juliana De La Campa, the youngest daughter of Don Fernando De La Campa y Cos of the Hacienda of San Mateo, Valparaiso, Zacatecas, Mexico
Since Juan Rebolledo was single in 1717. I have seen an article from "La Gaceta" newspaper year 1722 where it mentions of a visit to Zacatecas, Juan Rebolledo for some special occasion of Juliana De La Campa y Cos
Juan Rebolledo was also the Capitan/Governor of the Provincia of Texas De La Nuevo Espana(Mexico)
Hello guys this is my family from my mother side. De Santiago family from
zacatecas and moved to Jalisco.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/23069
Jose Luis Zambrano De Santiago "El Euforia".
La Gaceta was one of the newspapers that was in circulation since 1722 in Mexico and I had gone to a website of the UNAM where you just enter what you want to look for in basic search. For example, "Fernando De La Campa y Cos" and it would list all newspapers along with years that has articles highlighted in yellow containing the words "Fernando De La Campa." I was quickly able to read old articles going as far back as 1722.
But it seems the UNAM changed their website:
http://www.hndm.unam.mx/index.php/es/
Now when I try to search for "Fernando De La Campa" It doesn't look for the exact words even if I go to advanced search. Also now many of those articles are:
"Restringido (PDF)" means you can only look at them from within the institution.
"Publico" means you can view them on the internet.
I can't find Fernando De La Campa like before they changed their website.
Do any of you know of other websites to look at old newspaper articles during colonial times?
Hello! My name is Isela Cueva Rizzi. I joined this listserv a few years ago when I was planning a trip to the rancho where my dad (who died 16 years ago at 68 years old) was born & raised - Rancho Santa Marta near Tecolotlan. I was most interested in learning more about my dad’s father, Esteban Cueva, of whom I know very little. From what I understand, my grandfather, Esteban, died when my dad was around 2 or 3 years old. My dad was his illegitimate child. Esteban was married to Catalina and they had several children together. Though they lived in the Rancho, they were connected to Tecolotlan.
I am not sure if my grandfather is related to the Cueva's you mention below. This is the first time since I’ve been a member that my last name and the nearby town of Tecolotlan has come up. I am very excited for the possibility of learning more about my grandfather & patriarchal lineage.
Many thanks for whatever help or encouragement you can offer.
Isela
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> Hello Sergio Sales This is fantastic!!! Your diligence is paying off!! I'm
> sure you are aware, but one thing I want to point out is that in the marriage
> of Francisco de la Cueva to Maria Barillas his father is named Francisco
> Beltran de la Cueva.
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18715-11329-21?cc=1874591&wc…
> I too am convinced that the husband of married to Thomasina de Velasco and
> Catalina Vera y Monrroy are the same person; however we must have the primary
> documents to support this claim. With your hard work and that of others we
> will achieve success!!! Congratulations on this find!! Deedra Corona
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For those that are interested in purchasing this set of books please contact Ignacio Narro. If you want more information about Mr. Narro please contact Josie Trevino.
Thanks,
Joseph
Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html
From: ignacio narro [mailto:ignacio_narro@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, September 07, 2015 6:29 AM
To: makas@nc.rr.com
Cc: josiett39@gmail.com
Subject: Fw: Retonos de Espana en Nueva Galicia
Hi Joseph,
Per Jossie's email you know now that I am trying to publish a great work written by Mariano Gonzalez Leal, considered one of the best Spanish Genealogist.
His work was published several years ago by the Government of Jalisco, but just a few copies, and they are gone long ago.
I consider it so important in its field that I am exploring ways to finance its production.
It is a set of 10 books, including all the information since the "Conquistadores" came to Nueva Galicia up to today, it will not be an easy task.
I am planning to print 1,000 sets and hard cover each one instead of soft, to be able to reduce the 10 books set to 5 or 6.
I uderstand that you and your organization are interested particularly in this area and so, I am open to hear any idea you might have to bring this project to life.
I am in China right now, printing a book, but available through my email.
Thanks for your time.
Regards
Ignacio Narro
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To: ignacio narro
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2015 2:54 PM
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Hi!
I have already sent Joseph an e-mail telling him you would be contacting him.
Good luck on your trip to China......don't eat too much Chinese food!!! -)
Abrazos,
Josie
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BwHOEIz09mFeRmpWcmxLYmx3LVE&usp…
to anyone here who wants to see what indexes i'm working on but haven't finished yet
the reason why i'm sharing this is because when i start college again after september 24, i might not have much time to work on these since in addition to three regular classes, i'm doing an 'internship' for units towards graduation.plus i plan on taking a a thesis paper class for winter 2016, and if i get in, i'm gonna be quite busy then as well.
if you want editing privileges just give me an email that you often check regardless if it's your main or side so i can add you to the list of people with editing privilieges.
also if you decide to edit a document, please put edited by -insert your initials,nickname, or first name here- in either the title or first line of document to ensure i can credit you
With respect to missing messages, it is my opinion that not everyone understands how to use the site. I posted messages on the the website thinking that they would go out via the distribution list. They didn't. It wasn't until I sent my message and postings via my registered email using the distribution list research-request@lists.nuestrosranchos.org (per Joseph's instructions) that my messages went out. I was doing it wrong and just didn't realize it.
Joseph, thanks again for your help.
While this may not be true for everyone, I hope this helps others.
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With regards to the missing messages/replies ? what follows are my options
but none of them seem reasonable to me, but I welcome input:
1) Shut down the site
2) Charge for membership (my opinion this option will result in #1)
Con respecto a las faltantes mensajes/respuestas ? lo que sigue son mis
opciones pero ninguno de ellos parece razonable:
1) cerr? la pagina
2) carga de pertenencia (mi opini?n esta opci?n resultar? en
#1)
Joseph
Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html
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Pars website:
http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest
Reference code is: CONTRATACION,S.13,SS.5
Hace mucho no entro aqui! Sigo con la constante lucha de los archivos de Juchipila y/o Amoxochitl pre-1800. Alguien ha tenido suerte?!
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Still looking for records for Juchipila/Amoxochitl pre-1800. Any luck!?
RESEARCHING MARTIN DE TORRES WHO MARRIED TO JUANA JACINTA DE SANTOS. HAD A SON ALEXANDRO DE TORRES.BORN AROUND 1757 PROBABLY IN MEDIA LUNA JALISCO. I HAVE GONE BACK AS FAR AS FAMILY SEARCH .COM ALLOWS ME. DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS WHERE I CAN GO LOOK FOR THIS INFORMATION. THE REASON I SAY MEDIA LUNA IS BECAUSE UP LEADING UP TO MARTIN DE TORRES EVERY BODY WAS BORN IN MEDIA LUNA. WOULD APPRECIATE ANY HELP
Following the discussion last week regarding Geronimo Sanchez de Porras (Viejo) and his son, Geronimo Sanchez de Porras (Mozo); I was wondering if anyone had any information on the parentage of El Viejo. I did locate a burial record for Diego Sanchez de Porras which mentions that his executor was Geronimo Sanchez de Porras, his son.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18455-52683-27?cc=1874591&wc…
It also mentions that Diego was Soltero, but I have found various documents stating this when the person was actually widowed.
Thank you,
Deedra Corona
Estimados Miembros, (English below)
Hace tiempo di a conocer aquí en Nuestros Ranchos http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/22112
datos escritos por Don Gabriel Agraz García de Alba" Origen y Desenvolvimiento de la Familia de la Cueva en Tecolotlán", en "Memorias de la Academia Mexicana de Genealogía y Heráldica", Volumen VII, México D.F, 1953, pp. 53-108. que detallaban como la familia de Beltrán Fernández de la Cueva (¿?-1684) y Tomasina de Velasco, vecinos de Tecolotlán estaba emparentada con la rama española de los de la Cueva. Los padres de D. Beltrán fueron Diego de la Cueva (quien empezó a usar el patronímico Fernández) y Da. María de Solís y Ochoa.
Hubo debate sobre si los datos eran fidedignos (cosa valiosa, pues los documentos secundarios son siempre menos valiosos que los primarios). Pero tengo el placer de haber encontrado un documento de Ordenes de D. Andrés de Mora y de la Cueva., hijo de D. Diego de Mora y de Francisca de la Cueva.
México, Jalisco, Catholic...Church Records, 1590-1979>Guadalajara>Diócesis de Guadalajara> Capellanías 1642. En la imagen 153 que se encuentra en las Capellanías de 1642, pero escrito en 1661 se encuentra la ascendencia de D. Andrés. Ordenes de Andrés de Mora y de la Cueva:
"en quanto a los Padres de dha doña francisca de la cueba los conosio y comunico mucho tiempo en el pueblo de ahualulco donde eran vezinos i que supo que diego de la cueba su Padre y doña María ochoa su madre eran hijos de Juan de la Cueba Mendoza y de doña Francisca de Colio personas limpias y nobles abuelos de la dha doña francisca de la cueba..."
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18411-25463-84?cc=1874591&wc…
Por los datos que provee D. Andrés, me es obvio que doña Francisca de la Cueva su madre fue hermana de D. Beltrán, No sabía yo de la existencia de ella. Por lo tanto, lo único en que erró don Gabriel Agraz fue en dar el nombre de Catalina de la Torre a la esposa del Cap. Juan de la Cueva Mendoza en vez del nombre correcto que fue Francisca de Colio. Agraz afirmó que la esposa del Cap. Juan fue hija de D. Diego de Colio, cosa que es verdad pues Francisca fue hija de Don Diego de Colio y de Catalina de la Torre. Por lo tanto Agraz confundió las generaciones. Este documento por lo tanto esclarece la línea.
La mención de Ahualulco en las Ordenes de D. Andrés también ayuda a poner a la familia de la Cueva en la región de Ahualulco a principios del siglo XVII. ¿Hay más evidencia? En efecto, pues hay un Luis de la Cueva, bautizado el 6 de enero de 1630 hijo nada más y nada menos que de Diego de la Cueva y de María de Ochoa! https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18520-6325-10?cc=1874591&wc=…
Mi hipótesis es que esta es la misma pareja mencionada arriba como padres de Francisca de la Cueva. Esto querría decir que Luis de la Cueva probablemente es hermano de Beltrán Fernández de la Cueva y de Francisca de la Cueva.
Una generación después encontramos a un Beltrán Fernández de la Cueva teniendo hijos por 1650 en Etzatlán que está a 16km de Ahualulco. https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N1BZ-54R La idea de que este Beltrán fuese el mismo que el de Tecolotlán ya había sido sugerido por otros en este foro. Pero el documento de D. Andrés nos da una conexión más clara a Ahualulco-Etzatlán. Es muy posible entonces que Beltrán de la Cueva avecindando en Tecolotlán pudo haber casado dos veces, la primera con Catalina de Vera y Monroy y la segunda con Tomasina de Velasco. Lo que necesitamos ahora para cerrar toda duda es encontrar el testamento de D. Beltrán si aún existe, pues en su acta de defunción de 1684 dice que hizo testamento.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18721-7303-34?cc=1874591&wc=…
La línea que propongo entonces va así:
Cap. Juan de la Cueva Mendoza (nacido en Úbeda por 1552)cc. Francisca de Colio, (hija de D. Diego de Colio y Da. Catalina de la Torre), tuvieron por hijo a:
-Diego Fernández de la Cueva cc. María de Solís y Ochoa:
o Beltrán Fernández de la Cueva cc. Tomasina de Velasco y Zúñiga
*Juan de la Cueva cc. Juana de Mora (sin relación a D. Diego de Mora)
*Francisco de la Cueva cc. María Francisca Barillas
o Francisca de la Cueva cc. Diego de Mora
* Andrés de Mora y de la Cueva
o Luis de la Cueva (1630-¿?)
Sigamos en la búsqueda!
Sergio S. Salés
Dear Members,
A while back I published a post here http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/22112 which was originally written by Gabriel Agraz García de Alba in "Origen y Desenvolvimiento de la Familia de la Cueva en Tecolotlán", in "Memorias de la Academia Mexicana de Genealogía y Heráldica", Volumen VII, México D.F, 1953, pp. 53-108, which detailed the ancestry of Beltrán Fernández de la Cueva, husband of Tomasina de Velasco, living in Tecolotlán. The parents of Beltran were Diego de la Cueva and Maria de Solís y Ochoa.
There was some debate as to whether the information was reliable (always a conversation worth having). But I had the pleasure of finding the Ordination papers of Andrés de Mora y de la Cueva., son of Diego de Mora and Francisca de la Cueva.
On image 153, found in the Capellanias of 1642 document, but actually written in 1661 we find the ancestry of . Andrés. Ordenes de Andrés de Mora y de la Cueva:
Encontre una copia del Acta de Defuncion de mi Abuelo Juan Castro originario de Barranca de Santa Clara, Jalisco donde dice que murio de bala y que fue enterrado en una fosa de 3ra clase en el Cementerio San Miguel. Tambien dice que fue herido de bala en una region llamada "las playitas" en el Municipo de Zacoalco de Torres. Mi pregunta es como o donde puedo encontrar mas informacion sobre su acesinato? si se investigo o no o si se juzgo a alguien?. Tambien me gustaria saber donde puedo encontrar una lista de los Cementerios del municipio. Desconosco donde queda el Cementerio San Miguel. Me gustaria buscar su tumba si es posible (no se que significa una fosa de 3ra clase).
Hello everyone, can someone please tell me if records ever existed for Apozol, Jalpa and Juchipila, Zac. prior to 1800. If not, did our ancestors have to travel to nearest town like Nochistlan for marriage, baptism etc...
As many of you already now, the records for these three places start about mid 1850's.
I am specifically looking into my Medrano Family, Jose Maria Medrano married to Maria Antonia Perez, the only children I was able to find were:
Feliciano Medrano (born about 1812 in Juchipila and died in 1886 in Jalpa) married to and Romana Macias and Maria Lucia Hernandez.
Pablo Medrano (born about 1817 in Juchipila)married to Maria Felipa Huerta
Both of their sons married and the families went back and forth between these three towns.
I found many Medrano Families in Nochistlan from that era, but I still have to make a connection.
Thank You
Ruben Rojas Delgado
I am researching a couple from Villa de Obregon (Canadas) named Ignacio Lomeli and Petra Villalpando.
Petra Villalpando is the daughter of Pedro Villalpando and Maria Guadalupe Casillas. Petra's siblings are Ignacia born in 1918, Bibiana born in 1920, Maria de Jesus born in 1922, Bartola born in 1925, Bacilio born in 1916, Francisco born in 1924, Reyes born in 1923.Petra villalpando Casillas was born in 1912. All these dates are according to the census in 1930.
I was unable to find the Villa Obregon church records online in family search. Are the Viila de Obregon, Jalisco records available online?
Thanks,
R.A. Ricci
The marriage record for Gabriel de Lomelin to Melchora de los Reyes in 1673 Nochistlan states that they were dispenses. Has anyone seen this dispensa?
Melchora de los Reyes h.l. Hernando Delgadillo (Perez de Frias, Frias) and Andrea Rodas
Gabriel de Lomelin h.l. Domingo Lomelin and Juana de Mendoza
Thank you
Alex Mercado
With regards to the missing messages/replies what follows are my options
but none of them seem reasonable to me, but I welcome input:
1) Shut down the site
2) Charge for membership (my opinion this option will result in #1)
Con respecto a las faltantes mensajes/respuestas lo que sigue son mis
opciones pero ninguno de ellos parece razonable:
1) cerró la pagina
2) carga de pertenencia (mi opinión esta opción resultará en
#1)
Joseph
Joseph Puentes
i decided to make this post in order to make this collection a little bit easier to navagate. unfortunately some parts don't appear to have indexes attached.
here's the link to first page
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-22323-8393-36?cc=1916240&…
first index from right side of pages 204-206 is for pages 208- left side of 282.
second one is from 286-288 for 290-366
3rd is from 438-441 for 443-533
4th is from 542-546 for 548-653
5th is from 660-663 for 665-772
6th one is incomplete and is on 1314 for 1289-1313
7th one is from 1319-1320 for 1322-1368
8th is from 1372-1373 for 1375-1440
9th is from 1611-1616 for 1618-1786
10th one is from 1796-1801 for 1803-1936
11th is from 2263-2265 for 2267-2396
12th is from 2405-2409 for 2411-2506
13th is from 2515-2526 fr 2528-2667
14th one is from 2683-2689 for 2694-2800-ish (???)
15th one is frm 2807-2809 for 2811-2922
i decided to make this post in order to make this collection a little bit easier to navagate. unfortunately some parts don't appear to have indexes attached.
here's the link to first page
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-22323-8393-36?cc=1916240&…
first index from right side of pages 204-206 is for pages 208- left side of 282.
second one is from 286-288 for 290-366
3rd is from 438-441 for 443-533
4th is from 542-546 for 548-653
5th is from 660-663 for 665-772
6th one is incomplete and is on 1314 for 1289-1313
7th one is from 1319-1320 for 1322-1368
8th is from 1372-1373 for 1375-1440
9th is from 1611-1616 for 1618-1786
10th one is from 1796-1801 for 1803-1936
11th is from 2263-2265 for 2267-2396
12th is from 2405-2409 for 2411-2506
13th is from 2515-2526 fr 2528-2667
14th one is from 2683-2689 for 2694-2800-ish (???)
15th one is frm 2807-2809 for 2811-2922
With regards to the missing messages/replies what follows are my options
but none of them seem reasonable to me, but I welcome input:
1) Shut down the site
2) Charge for membership (my opinion this option will result in #1)
Con respecto a las faltantes mensajes/respuestas lo que sigue son mis
opciones pero ninguno de ellos parece razonable:
1) cerró la pagina
2) carga de pertenencia (mi opinión esta opción resultará en
#1)
Joseph
Joseph Puentes
Greetings fellow history buffs, researchers and Sherlock Holmes types. I
feel privileged to become a member of this group. I became interested in
genealogy after my mother passed away in 2009 and I realized she was the
last person left from her family line. I know I felt empty and lost without
her and at the same time wondered where our cousins and the rest of our
ancestors. We talked about family when mother was alive, but, I never
really paid attention or really listened. I decided back then I had to find
the answers and perhaps connect with cousins I never knew. I've been
digging for five years now and have found many answers but with the answers
came the mysteries. So interesting how women were molded to think and how
the rules for proper anything were one sided. I spend to much time
researching, so I'm told. I'm like a detective who has to solve a mystery
that just keeps haunting my mind.
My family roots come from the state of Zacatecas and my roots are the Tello
family lineage. San Pedro Ocampo, Melchor Ocampo, Concepcion Del Oro,
Mezquital Del Oro, Bonanza, Cedros are just a few towns and church names
I've found along the trenches. One place I have not found information on is
"Rancho de Los Tellos" where some of my ancestors were born and married.
The men in the family worked the silver mines, so they moved around the
various towns to work. They also lived to the San Luis Potosi and Saltillo,
Coahuila; many were born and died in there. I found myself overwhelmed with
discoveries I never imagined would keep me awake at night. My detective
type mind swells with thoughts and solutions to these mysterious puzzles
called family roots. I know nothing about Mexico and the states my roots
came from. I read about Mexico and try to imagine my ancestors there during
the 1700-1900s. I now see how brave and hard working my ancestors were. I
could never survive those conditions and extremely hard work, what a
spoiled human being I am.
I am Yolanda Kline and hope that I will find more answers with the help of
this great meeting room.
I am not sure if the name is Jesus or Juan Antonio Vicente, ch. 26 Nov
1829, but I also have a hard time reading the parents names. I you could
help I really would appreciate it. Thank you.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19453-71371-58?cc=1883388&wc…
Esther
