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Reading through the "Royal Blood" thread it is refreshing to see honesty and differing opinion handled with such respect and care...what a great bunch of people we have !

It's got me thinking though, it seems that "WE" , as individuals, truly are what we choose to be. I mean, it really is a state of mind. I have seen people catagorize themselves by nation of birth, ancestry and DNA evidence...all valid, but all a personal CHOICE.

If I choose to clasify myself by country of origin, then I am an American from the Southwestern United States. If I choose my recent ancestors, then I am an Alteno, specifically from San Jose De Bazarte, in Los Altos...if I choose to go back a couple generations, then I am Asturiano, from Sama in Asturias, Espana.

What about DNA evidence ? My group E-V13 originated in Anatolia, then spread to northern Greece and the rest of the Balkans, should I then call myself a Thracian or Dacian ? Perhaps Pelagasian or Phrygian ? It boils down to choice, we are free to choose...all are valid choices, each one is a truth unto itself. I suppose we should rejoice that we a free to choose and BE what ever we want to be, even if it is as simple as "I am my fathers son".

Robert~

Sigue en espanol

My great grandparents Manuel (Gama) Estrada and Felipa Ramirez (Neris) were married in Jalostotitlan on February 09, 1822. I have been unable to find their dates of birth or birthplace.

Does anyone know of a nearby place to Jalostotitlan where I could look? Any trends as far as people traveling from specific places to Jalostotitlan back in the late 1700s or early 1800s? I know Felipa Ramirez must have been born in Jalostotitlan because her parents were married there on July 29, 1797. I just cannot find the record for her and have no information for my granpa Manuel Gama (Estrada).

Another question, some of you mentioned that around the 1820's after the war for independence, some families changed their last name. I found my great granfathers to be Manuel Estrada (his father was also names Manuel Estrada) prior to 1820s and later the last name becomes Gama. As far as I can tell as of 1820s Gama was not a maternal last name and my guess is that it goes further back. Manuel Estrada Sr. had a child named Maria Asencion who was married in 1821 as Estrada and who registered her child in 1820 as Gama. At the same time, I do not know how Estrada appeared or when. In 1835 Manl. Gama (AKA Estrada) and Felipa Neris (AKA Ramires) had a child named Refugio Gama Neris in San Miguel el Alto. Any ideas or information as to how Estrada disappeared and Gama appeared shortly after 1822? My ancestors moved from Jalostotitlan to Uncion, then to San Miguel, and finally to Tamazula.

I have always been proud of the Gama last name because it is rare in most areas. But now I cannot find that Gama link! In 1822 my ancestor was married as Manuel Estrada showing his father to have the same name as him, Manuel Estrada.

Any guidance would be appreciated it.

Rosie Cordova

Mis bisabuelos fueron Manuel (Gama) Estrada and Felipa Ramirez quienes se casaron en Jalostotitlan en February 09, 1822. No he podido encontrar sus fechas o lugares de nacimiento.

Existe algun lugar certa de Jalostotitlan donde pudiera buscar en caso de que alli los hubieran registrado? Saben si hubo ciertas tendencias de viajeros que fueron de ciertas regiones a Jalostotitlan por las epocas a finales de 1700s o al empezar los 1800s? Se que Felipa Ramirez debio haber nacido en Jalostotitlan porque sus padres se casaron en July 29, 1797. Solo que no puedo encontrar el record de su nacimiento de ello y no tengo informacion acerca de mi abuelo Manuel Gama (Estrada).

Otra pregunta, algunos del grupo han comentado que alrededor de los 1820s, despues de la guerra de independencia, algunas familias cambiaron sus apellidos. Descubri que mi bisabuelo se llamaba Manuel Estrada (igual que su padre quien tambien se llamaba Manuel Estrada) antes de 1822 y despues uso el apellido de Gama. Por lo que puedo ver, Gama no es apellido materno y pienso que el apellido Gama va mas atras. Al mismo tiempo, no se como aparecio Estrada o cuando. Tiene alguna idea o informacion referente a como desaparecio el apellido Estrada y como aparecio el apellido Gama alrededor de 1822? Mis antepasados se movieron de Jalostotitlan a Uncion, despues a San Miguel, y luego a Tamazula.

Siempre habia estado orgullosa del apellido Gama porque no es muy usual en la mayoria de los lugares. Pero ahora no encuentro mi coneccion con Gama! En 1822 mi bisabuelo Manuel Estrada se caso con ese nombre y muestra que su padre era Manuel Estrada y tenia el mismo nombre.

Les agradeceria sus sugerencias.

Rosie Cordova

Hi everyone,

I am a new member of Nuestros Ranchos so I wanted to introduce myself. So
far I've loved the conversations that I've witnessed here. It's great to
have this community!

I am primarily researching the pueblos of Juchitlan and Tecolotlan, Jalisco,
as well as the rancho of San Gaspar, in the municipio de Union de Tula. My
family is from Juchitlan, but my Larios and Ramirez lines go back many times
over in San Gaspar, where there is a concentration of us. My Preciado line
goes back to Tecolotlan, where there are many of us. Other surnames I am
researching include Lomeli, Llamas, Gonzalez, Lepe, and Medina. Please see
my family file to see what I have so far:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18215

So far this was information I was able to gather from my grandparents before
they passed and other family members and documents. I have also done some
looking on FamilySearch.org, and found some promising information, but have
yet to incorporate this into the family file I currently have up.

If anyone is interested in sharing information, please let me know! I'd love
to meet some new primos (as if I don't have enough, LOL!)

Does anybody in this group knows what Saints' names were celebrated or listed in the religious calendar for February 23?
I remeber seeing a message on the Religious Calendar, in this forum, a few months ago.

Cuales Santos se celebran,de acuerdo con el calendario religioso, el dia 23 de Febrero?

Gracias por su ayuda.

John Gonzalez.

Mal de Ojo:

I remember seeing a little boy in Mexico, wearing an object around his neck. It had a thick oval shape and it was dark brown in color, I believe it was called "ojo de venado" a deer's eye. To me it looked more like some kind of seed about an inch in diameter and about 1/4 inch thick. According to the mother, it was being worn for protection against "mal de ojo" The "ojo de venado" could be purchased (I don't know if they can still be found) where herbs were sold, or from "yerberos" people who sell herbs in the street or local mercado. I personally don't believe in witchcraft, but evidently some people still do.

John Gonzalez

Hi everyone. I am a new member and wanted to introduce myself. My name is Claudia Reynoso.

To be brief, as brief as I can be, here are bullet items:

-my family hails from MOYAHUA, ZACATECAS (ranchos my grandfather speaks of: El Pitayo, Buenavista, Barras Amarillas, Santa Cruz, and El Aguado)
-i am bi-lingual, so you can communicate with me in English or Spanish
-most of my family now resides in the USA, with distant reltives scattered throughout Zac., Jal., and Baja Cal.
-the oldest living REYNOSO I know if my great-aunt, AURELIA REYNOSO (her maiden name). she is 84 years old

I am hoping to connect with members from Moyahua and surrounding areas. After reading some posts here I see that I am related to a couple of Reynoso members here! Below is my immediate line:

1. Maternal GRANDFATHER:
Jose Maria Reynoso b. 1926 - Moyahua, Zac.

2. Serapio Reynoso b. 1900 & Martina Gonzalez b. @1900 - Moyahua, Zac.

3. Marcelino Reynoso b. @1868 & Hilaria Haro b.@1873 - Moyahua, Zac.

4. Aniceto Reynoso b.1826 & Nemesia Rodrigues b. 1824

5. Toribio Reynoso b. @1787 & Norberta Romero b. @1795

6. Silberio Reynoso b. @1764 & Nasaria Carrillo b. @1767

I have about 200 names in my database, and I am looking forward to finding more. I'm also always happy to share information with everyone and I will soon post some interesting files for everyone to peruse.

Hasta pronto,

I am searching for any members of the Martinez/Martin and Pena family who lived in Encarncaion de Diaz, Jalisco. Other members of these two ancestors include Sanchez, Alonzo, Paredes, Macias, Espinosa, Ybarra, Medina, Rodriguez, and Salas. Almost, all were born, baptized, and married in Encarnacion de Diaz.

I am looking for family members of Pedro Covarrubias and Tomasa Hernandez from Cartajena Jalisco His son Evaristo Covarrubias and any other brothers or sisters to this family

Emilie,

>From what I can recall studying African History in Latin America, it is
widely believed that most of the Africans brought into Central and South
America were initially from Yoruba, which was then a nation east of what is now
known as Benin, however it is difficult to tell, as tribal people were
often separated, as the slave holders didn't want them to be able to
communicate with each other in their native tongue. I seem to recall an isolated
community in Guerrero was discovered where linguists were able to trace their
language to Yoruba. Because of these practices, it is difficult for many
African Americans to trace their ancestry to a specific tribe in Africa. I
do know however that in the latter years, because of a loop hole in Spanish
law that outlawed slavery in 1829, most slaves who arrived into Latin
countries no longer came from the west coast, they came from Angola.

I am one of the few people that has indeed found proof that I have
Tlaxcaltecan roots. I found birth certificates indicating that the name Bermea
(known then as Bermeo) and Flores were brought into Nadadores, Coahuila to
pacify existing nomadic tribes, later moving to a small settlement where they
were among the first settlers. This was BIG...as I know such records are
virtually impossible to find. I have read that Tlaxcalans were initially
brought into Zacatecas to keep the continued insurgents of the natives
(Caxcan) down. However, I have also read that other indigenous people were
brought in various parts of Zacatecas to help with mining, including those from
Michoacan, and other slaves including "chinos" who were from the
Philippines. (Eric...you might find this interesting with your discovery of your DNA
Test and discovery)
_http://www.history.ucsb.edu/courses/tempdownload.php?attach_id=2900_
(http://www.history.ucsb.edu/courses/tempdownload.php?attach_id=2900) .

For me, history has been relayed by those in power. So it is natural that
the records uncovered would have been written and kept by the Spanish. I am
not surprised, but am fascinated to know about my Spanish ancestors,
however It is much more interesting to discover roots of those whose
voices/history were oppressed. What I would give to listen to the perspectives of
women from long ago.

Also, as relates to inter-marriages (there are quite a few of them in my
family, and not so long ago), I had been told that it was mostly to ensure
that one knew the families as "good people". It seems that they believed
that if the mom was a "floosy", so will the be the female offspring....or if
the dad was a "drunk", so will be the male offspring. At least that is what
I was told...(wink).

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

Does anyone know when the 1930 Census for Ojuelos De Jalisco is going to be availabe?

Hello members. I am fairly new to this. I would like some help, if any of you all have any info on baptism for Jose Victoriano Camacho. He was married to Maria Josefa Policarpia Lopes on 2/29/1808 at the age of 20yrs old in San Matias Pinos, Zacatecas. He was a "hijo natural". I am unable to find a baptism for him and was wondering if it was possible that he was not baptized at a young age and waited until he was older before he got married. He is the son of Juana Gertrudis Camacho who in turn is daughter of Juan Joseph Camacho and Maria Olaya Hernandez Navarro. This family lived in what was then the eastern edge of Zacatecas known as La Hacienda Vieja and today is Ahualulco, SLP. It has been quite difficult searching for this info. I was hoping to find the name of his father on the baptism record.

Gracias,
Antonio Camacho

All this talk about Royal blood and we Altenos having a preference of our cousins is interesting. This past Sunday night, I was watching a story on Josef Mengele's possible connection to multiple births of twins in a small town in Brazil. This was on the National Geographic channel:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/11/091125-nazi-twins-brazi…

I had to chuckle when the story came to an end because the multiple twin births had to do more with having a common German ancestor, and twins running in families. Sounds like Los Altos, huh?

Irma Gomez Gtz

Northern California

Once upon a time, after bumping into some evidence that at least several of
our ancestors might have been a royal (Alonso de Estrada, illigetimate son
of King Ferdinand), I asked my now deceased aunt why she had never said
anything about this connection. Her response was "That's who THEY were,
that's not who WE are."

She was a bitter woman, but a wise one. It is so true, while her siblings
might have looked "castellano", she, herself, looked like the Indigenous
blood inherited from the Tlacaltecas that were brought in from the south to
settle the northern territories. For her, it was impossible to embrace
years of subjugation based on her color, despite the apparent direct link to
Alonso de Estrada.

Hola a todos. Me encuentro buscando personas con el apellido Martinez en el estado de Zacatecas. Mis ancestros vivieron en un pueblo llamado Tepetongo y despues mi bisabuelo se fue a otro pueblo llamado Tacoaleche en el mismo estado.
A quien este interesado puedo mandarle mi arbol genealogico, que aunque no es muy grande, cubre siete generaciones y ademas tengo archivados varios documentos que adquiri mediente mi busqueda.
Por ultimo, tambien tengo mi ADN paterno para poder compararlo con gente interesada a este apellido.
Muchas Gracias.

Hi evreyone, I'm looking for people with Martinez ancestry in the Mexican state of Zacatecas in or around the town of Tepetongo. I'm interested in obtaining more information on my direct paternal ancestry.If you are interested in sharing some information, I can always send you my small (only seven generations) genealogical chart.
Also, I have my YDNA (Haplogruop R with 91 certified SRT markers)for the same name.
Thanks.

This is giving me difficulty reading the abuelos Maternos names.
Iglesia San Jose, Calvillo, Ags. May 18 1884
Baptism book 27 , page no. 103 entry no 417, image no. 116 of 127.

for Luz Serna
Maria Luz hija legitima de Marcelino Serna y Maria Lopez. Abuelos Paternos Narciso y Clara Ortiz. Abuelos Maternos ?????? y ?????? Duan. Thanks to anyone who can give me a reading or MATERNAL ancestry.

While resarching my line I have come to an ancester GGGGG FLORENCIO Y ANTONIA RUIS. Their son GABRIEL SERNA (died between 1832 - 1853 prosibly in Calvillo or Villa del Refugio,ZAC. ) y CATARINA FRAUSTO. Should I concieder the two names interchangeable what would be another option for the name Catarina ? Since I am at a wall on these individuals I need to concider search options.

Mientras investigando mi línea que he llegado a un antepasado GGGGG FLORENCIO Y ANTONIA Ruis. Su hijo Gabriel SERNA (murieron entre 1832 a 1853 prosibly en Calvillo o Villa del Refugio, ZAC.) Y CATARINA Frausto. ¿Debo conciderar los dos nombres intercambiables, lo que sería otra opción para el nombre de Catarina? Desde que estoy en una pared de estas personas debo tener en cuenta las opciones de búsqueda.

Hello,
It's there someone who has the film M600825 from Fresnillo?
I need to get a look up on the marriage of Juan de la Rosa + Narcisa Acosta. Marriage date 28/10/1872.

Another question,
Her daughter Ines de la Rosa was born in Fresnillo around 1885, is there a parish record i can look for? so far I have't found anything for Fresnillo...did they go somewhere near to get their childs baptised?

Thank you
Monica

I would also like to know how to get a copy of this book.

Sheila Prader

You wrote:

> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 08:47:33 -0700 (PDT)
> From: ruben casillas moreno
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] "Mariano Gonzalez Leal Book"
> Message-ID: <324698.62841.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> I can get Mariano Gonazalez Leals Book "Reto?os De Espa?a en la Nueva
> galicia, tomo 2, if any one want it let me know.
> Puedo conseguir el libro de Don Mariano Gonzalez Leal " Reto?os de Espa?a
> en al nueva Galicia" tomo 2,?si les interesa haganmelo saber.
>
> Ruben Casillas M.
>

Disculpen todos por cambiar d
Ruben Casillas M.

--- El mar 8-sep-09, aajay1073@yahoo.com escribió:

De:: aajay1073@yahoo.com
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Marquez v. Marquez de Los Olivos
A: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: martes 8 de septiembre de 2009, 19:27

Hi Jospeh,

My Marquez de los Olivos are also from Saus de los Marquez.  They also eventually shortened the name to just Marquez. I remember a while back we tried to link your Marquez family to my Marquez family but had no luck.  I imagine if you are able to go back a generation or two we will have the link.

Good Luck on you Search,
Angie

I will probably suggest this a thousand times to "the group", make sure to document where you get your information from. Here is an example:
Repository, Record type, Individual, Date, Film No., Item No., Volume No., Page No., Record No. (all this information might not be available e.g. missing page number, missing volume number, etc.)

I am the first to admit I have not always done this and occasionally, even now I forget to do it. One thing that I have learned is that it wastes a lot of time and money not to do it.

If this does not work for you, then find something that does, it will make your research more credible and allow others to locate the records easily. Sorry I sound like a nag and will probably alienate some good people but it will help all of us to become better researchers if we source our documents and save us time.

If anyone has some good suggestions on documentation or good stories even, I would love to hear about them. Anything that improves the way I do things is much appreciated. Thank you for your time, and letting this old guy rant a little; I hope it helps.

Saludos desde Lago Salado

Eduardo H Seoane

Family Search labs uploaded new records for Mexico that can now be viewd oline.

Distrito Federal Catholic Records anos 1886-1933.

-Daniel

On LDS

I am looking for Deciderio Tinajero from San Felipe Guanajuato Mexico .....When I enter his hame....he does come up but his son (Jose Marciano Tianjero Alonso) also comes up and it gives me the son's info not Deciderio. I need Deciderio's info like his parents name. How can I pull that on LDS on

I'm lookin under Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900.

I've been using Reunion for years and find it very easy to use.
Entries are easy and lookups are easy. It's much better than Family
Tree Maker was before they stopped supporting Macintosh. I've
upgraded twice and had no problems with information transferring to
the new versions. I haven't used the other Mac program you mentioned
so I cannot comment on it.

As with everything computer related, there is a learning curve. I
found Reunion's learning curve intuitive and quick. I'm 67 and have
little patience with complicated programs and dump them rather than
waste my time trying to learn them. I found Reunion within my scope
of ability and am happy with it.

Good luck with whichever program you decide to go with. You'll
probably choose the one you learn the fastest. I would.

Linda

Hello Daniel,

The instructions on the form state that you should allow 4 to 6 weeks for delivery. (I got mine in less than a month.) Also you need to limit your request to 8 items or 3 book items, and requests should be made at least 2 weeks apart. Requests are processed in the order they are received. There are more instructions on the form that you need to read, such as copyright restrictions. Also, you can get the forms for free at any FHC.

Have a nice day. :-) -Esther

Hi Esther,

I am hoping to start ordering some records through this service. How long does
it take?

Im still continuing my genealogy and have these dates where I am able to extend
my

tree but i am not ready to stasrt certain areas. I thought I can at least keep
extending

through this service I have around 17 marriages I am able to order and at least
go one more

generation thanks to IGI. But its pointless to order the whole film since Im
not going to

look through the whole thing yet. Im still researching Calvillo, Tlazazalca and
Zamora.

Hoping to start soon on Aguascalientes and Pinos, Zac. I have many states:

Chihuahua, Jalisco, Zac, Aguas, Guanajuato, San Luis Potosi, Michoacan,
Durango,

COlima, DF, Queretaro, Nuevo Leon. Im busy. Plus Portugal and Spain.

Thanks, Daniel

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I would appreciate any assistance in finding documents, records or pedigree charts regarding my mother, Fidela (or Fidelia) Martinez born April 24, 1916 in Concepcion del Oro, Zacatecas, Mexico to Maria de Jesus Martinez and Luis Camarillo. Also any documents, records or pedigree charts for Maria de Jesus and Luis Camarillo.

Thank you. Noe B. Calvillo, Austin TX