Nuestros Ranchos Site

Hello group my name is Carol Muro-Turner.  I live in Kansas City and 
have been doing research for about 3-4 yrs.  My father (David Muro) 
and I have gone on this wonderful adventure researching our roots and 
have made pretty good progress.  Hopefully soon we can upload our 
files, we are in the process of grouping our family together.  The 
names we are researching are Muro, Carrillo, Sanchez, Haro, Saldana, 
Marquez, Rodgriguez, De Casas.  I have seen many Muro marriages with 
Puentes, Cortez, Romero, Diaz, etc. The films we have viewed are from 
Colotlan and Santa Maria De Los Angeles, we have started to view some 
films from Villanueva, Zacteucs.  My Muro family is from Sauz de Los 
Marquez near SM and Colotlan.  Our Carrillo's are from Hujecar as well 
as the Sandovals.  

Joseph..you are doing a job keeping us all informed and I appreciate 
your efforts in getting this group together and hopefully we can all 
help each other.

Carol

Dear Joseph and Other Members,
     I appreciate the opportunity to join with you in sharing 
information.  I work at an elementary school, am active in church, 
serve as a board member of Somos Primos, and Family History is my 
passion.  I have researched my husband's Mexican family for numerous 
years and have just really gotten in to my own Canadian roots in the 
last couple of years.
     My husband was born in the rancho of Santa Rita, in Ayo el Chico 
area, in 1950.  His family still has land there and our most recent 
visit was last March 2002.  It was then that I had the opportunity to 
meet Hugo Moises in Capilla de Guadalupe.  Previously, we had met on 
the Internet.  He is distantly related to my husband.  I also know 
Steven Hernandez, from meetings with our SHHAR (Society of Hispanic, 
Historical,and Ancestral Research) group.  He too is distantly 
related to my husband Ramon Godinez.
     I have many names in my files but I am best with research in the 
Atotonilco el Alto

I have been sending a lot of info to the group and will continue to do
so as long as I think its relevant to our research. At the same time I
absolutely dislike having a cluttered inbox so if any of you would like
to change from "Individual Messages" to the "Digest" mode of
subscription please do (or just tell me and I'll switch you myself). The
difference is that instead of getting each individual message at the
time the sender sends it you'll get one message daily with all the
discussion that took place that day in one larger message. The latter
makes it easier to handle an active group. . .then again we quite
haven't gotten there but I'm thinking of asking on the Jalisco and
Zacatecas group is anyone is doing Research in Northern Jalisco or
Southern Zacatecas. (I can't help but believe that is we get 10-20
researchers all working in the same area that good things won't come of it).

joseph

Joseph,
Thanks again for those census records.  I printed them all and found 
even more names that were already in my database!
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Maria  

5.  Spain, The United States, and The American Frontier: Historias Paralelas
http://international.loc.gov/intldl/eshtml/eshome.html

Partnering with The National Library of Spain, The Biblioteca Columbina y
Capitular of Seville, the Library of Congress has developed this fine
collection of primary and secondary historical documents that explore the
complex and multifaceted history of Spanish expansion into North America
from Florida, Georgia, the Carolinas, and across most of what is now the
modern-day American Southwest all the way north to Alaska. The site contains
digital versions of numerous texts, maps, manuscripts, and first-hand
accounts composed by different individuals. Some of the highlights include
"La Florida del Inca," which is an account of the Hernando de Soto
expedition through Florida and the southeastern part of North America, along
with the "Notes of a Military Reconnoissance from Fort Leavenworth to San
Diego," published in 1848 as a special report to the United

WOW!!!



what a great link. This needs to go into the Links page of the Ranchos group.
If you get there first can you put it in. What a great resource. Thanks.




So many of my Puentes relatives (their branches) are lost and on this I found
5 Ranchos in other parts of Mexico that are called "Puentes." Hey you never
know but many generations ago some of my Puentes might have moved to these
places and established a Rancho named after them. I'll have to check this
out later.



Maria thanks for this contribution.



joseph



readysetgo95814 wrote:

http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm

The above link takes you to a digitized version of "Diccionario 
Geográfico, Histórico y Biográfico de los Estados Unidos
Mexicanos"
by Antonio García Cubas

It's fully searchable and I have found it very useful.


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Maria said:

Hi Joseph,
Thanks for uploading those 1817 census images.  I found my ancestors
Domingo Puentes and Rosalia Diaz on page 3 of the Changanga census. 
I also found some of their married children.  
I was curious, did you print selected pages off that film?

[[[[[[yes when I saw Domingo and Francisca Puentes along with your Rosalia I knew they belonged to you (or you to them). I was in a big time rush that day since I was actually on duty as a volunteer at the family history center I frequent, but it was a slow day and I had time to do some research. There is a lot more info on that film and I'd encourage you to order it. I've put the Film number at the top of the page. And like I said in my previous post there are like 4 or 5 films with Padrones for the Huejucar area. But I have a question. Is the Changanga area close to Huejucar? I couldn't find it on my map]]]]]]]]]]]]]]

 Have you
found any common ancestors from the reports that I uploaded to the
ranchos website? 

[[[[

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes
[mailto:makas@...]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 9:53
AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos]
Padrones/Hunting For the Spain Link

Hello
Roberta,

Welcome to the group. Speaking only for myself I'm a newcomer
to Genealogy just having opened my eyes to its wonders back in August of 2002

here is only a partial listing and there are some gaps. Let me know if
you need any help in how to use this info to do a deeper study of these
films from your computer.

Batch #                       Year Range                    Film #

C604131                    1754-1760                    0221412
gap
C604132                    1764-1767                    0221413
C604133                    1767-1771                    0221414
C604134                    1771-1775                    0221415
C604135                    1775-1777                    0221416
C604136                    1777-1781                    0221417
gap
J604138                     1783-1786                    0221419
gap
C604142                    1796-1798                    0221422

C604143 1798-1803 0221423 (this
section overlaps unsure why)

C604144                    1798-1807                    0221424
C604145                    1803-1807                    0221425

Hello Roberta,



Welcome to the group. Speaking only for myself I'm a newcomer to Genealogy
just having opened my eyes to its wonders back in August of 2002. But since
then its been a wild and wooly ride and it continues to be. I've met your
primo Steve Hernandez on the phone a couple of months ago. It would be my
dream if he would consider joining this group and taking us all under his
wing in our journey's. He has a wealth of information and he'd be a great
addition to the groups expertise.



You are the first person in this small community that is doing research in
Tepatitlan (is that close to San Juan de Los Lagos--the area I seem to recall
Steve said he was researching)? Though I understand that we have some research
going on in the Lagos de Moreno area that is not far from San Juan de Los
Lagos.



I really don't know exactly where to find more info but if it were me doing
this search I might try to find info on those individuals that were on the
ships that came from Spain. I know

Carol Turner said:

I've taken a look at the 1817 census records and I'm
still in total amazement but this new found information.  This leaves
me to believe this is a definite connection with our Muro's.  In
looking at the ages of Vital Del Muro age 55 and my Francisco Muro
age 66, I would have to say they would be brothers our great-
grandpa's.

[[[[[[[Joseph said: I'm actually hunting for Jose Cosme's tie into to
your Francisco or Juan.
I believe Vital is important also but I haven't been able to make the
relationship. I might
have more information that I haven't mentally processed yet but at this
time the best I've
come up with is that Vital was a padrino for Vbaldo Muro (see the newly
added file called "Vital

PadrinoForUbaldoMuro").

Jose Pio is on your Vital's list and I believe Pio was on
Reynaldo's list.  But to see my Francisco Xavier and my other
grandfather Jose Eusbio in the census with their family was great! I
would like to ask my dad to join this group, he will be

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes
[mailto:makas@...]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:08
AM
To: LosRanchos
Subject: [ranchos]
Padrones

See number 0168809 --- that is where I found

I'll start.

I'm Joseph Puentes from North Carolina via Maryland for 18 years and
California for 26 years. I'm searching for relatives in the Santa
Maria de Los Angeles/Colotlan, Jalisco area. I currently know of
Puentes that live in Huejucar and it wouldn't surprise me to find some
 ancient roots from there also. I believe that before Jalsico my Diaz
family roots came from the Tlaltenango, Zacatecas area. I also believe
that my Puentes roots came from the Sombrerete, Zacatecas area.

I'm sorry to report that I haven't made any positive connections with
other people on this group but I think that I might be related to
Carol Turner via my Muro roots and quite possibly to Maria Cortez (are
you related to Rich Cortez?) through my Diaz and/or Puentes roots.
Time and study will prove this out.

. . .but even if none of us ever make any positive connections between
our families I think we can benefit from sharing our discoveries on
this group. I also believe that if we are aware of who we

See number 0168809 --- that is where I found the page in the files area
of the Ranchos webpage. Lyman D. Platt wrote a book called Census Record
for Latin America and the Hispanic United States. He gives a run down on
what areas are covered in each film. Do an interlibrary loan for this widely
available book or let me know what towns you're looking for and I'll look
and see what films are covering that area. For Kitty and Rich they might
be interested in the census records for Huejucar--168819, 168828, 168833,
168836, 168838 or Lagos de Moreno 221883 or 221884



joseph



ps: Here the complete listing of whats available from the Guadalajara Diocese
(other Census available for other areas though)  for Census:

Title

Padrones, 1639-1875

Authors

Iglesia Católica. Diócesis de Guadalajara (México) (Main Author)

Notes

Microfilme de manuscritos en el Archivo de la Sagarda Mitra en Guadalajara.

Census records from parishes within the Diocese of Guadalajara, Jalisco,
Mexico.

http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm

The above link takes you to a digitized version of "Diccionario 
Geográfico, Histórico y Biográfico de los Estados Unidos
Mexicanos"
by Antonio García Cubas

It's fully searchable and I have found it very useful.

I added #5 to the links section but not any of those on number 25.

joseph


5.  Spain, The United States, and The American Frontier: Historias
Paralelas
http://international.loc.gov/intldl/eshtml/eshome.html

Partnering with The National Library of Spain, The Biblioteca
Columbina y
Capitular of Seville, the Library of Congress has developed this fine
collection of primary and secondary historical documents that explore
the
complex and multifaceted history of Spanish expansion into North
America
from Florida, Georgia, the Carolinas, and across most of what is now
the
modern-day American Southwest all the way north to Alaska. The site
contains
digital versions of numerous texts, maps, manuscripts, and first-hand
accounts composed by different individuals. Some of the highlights
include
"La Florida del Inca," which is an account of the Hernando de Soto
expedition through Florida and the southeastern part of North America,
along
with the "Notes of a Military Reconnoissance from Fort

Hi Joseph,

yes, it is interesting.  When I was looking through your reports I 
noticed we share a lot of the same surnames.  The one that really 
caught my attention is Juan Jose Diaz. I have 2 lines that descend 
from a Juan Jose Diaz.  I haven't uploaded that report, but will do 
so shortly.  The report I uploaded is as far back as I've gotten, but 
it's a work in progress, so stay tuned.  Domingo Puentes is the 
father of Francisca Puentes.  Right now I don't know who Domingo's 
parents were, but I'll update that report as I learn more.

The Sanchez report started with my paternal grandfather.  I will 
upload one for my maternal grandfather next--Rufino Diaz.  That's 
where you'll see the 2 Juan Jose Diaz'--one who was married to 
Gertrudis Alvares and the other to a Rita Barajas (or Martin del 
Campo).  They very well may be the same person, but I have no 
documentation to base that on.  I'm thinking that your Juan Jose and 
mine might descend from a common ancestor, but we'll

yes I am he! I'm still so new to PAF and gedcom that I have no idea if
I'm number 2008. Since it worked I'll send my other lines via gedcom but
so I don't make the same mistake how do I avoid what happened to you in
accidently importing a gedcom file where is doesn't suppose to go?

thanks,

Joseph

ps: when I was little I was totally fluent in Spanish and I referred to
myself as Jose Luis but everyone else just called me, "Dinky"

pps: as you'll see from a more current photo of mine I am far from a Dinky

okay this is getting interesting. On those marriage records is there a
listing for who the parents were of Francisca Puentes and Domingo Puentes?

Also there are a couple of Diaz in there as well who might their parents
be???

thanks,

Joseph

this might be old news but I'm finding it valuable for my work. Has this
been addressed before?



Batch Searching the
LDS films from home: "Or how to get the most bang
for your buck when ordering films."



The batches are just that: "batches" of information keyed into the Family
Search website (http://www.familysearch.org). This
is information that is taken from the films and entered into the International
Genealogical Index. (Not just there but for the specific purpose of Mexican
Genealogy that is where I'm finding my ancestors).



How to find the batch numbers?



well you can go to any LDS Family History Center and look at the Fiche
for your particular surname of  research. Find the Fiche for the State then
for the Surname and then find the towns your Ancestors came from.



Orrrrr



>From the home page just go to the IGI page that looks like this: