Nuestros Ranchos Site

Joseph, do I need to be a member to get into the IGI search at Family Search?  I am looking for the birth of my Dad, or the marriage of my grandparents.  But I am only able to get into the Family History Library Catalog.



Thanks





Arturo Garza

Dear Mr Puentes,

I just came back from the Univerisity of Las Cruces in New Mexico.  I need
someone to help me translate the copies that I made, matrimonales, limpa de
sangre, and some other copies.

Also how do I get a password and an ID to enter information on the Rancho web.

Thank you
Mary

Joseph Puentes wrote:

> How many of you all are thoroughly using the IGI parent search feature
> of the Family Search website? Now I'm not saying that I am either but
> here are a few of the strategies I use in hunting for my ancestors.
>
> I'm going to use my Great Great Grandparents: Lucio Santa Maria and
> Cecilia Lugo. My Aunt Julia Espinoza gave me their names in a
> conversation one day. I went straight to IGI search page and plugged
> their names into the parent section. These are the names that I turned up:
>
> Mexico
> Father: Lucio Santa Maria, Mother: Cecilia Lugo
>
> 1. CAYETANO SANTA LUGO - International Genealogical Index
> Gender: Male Christening: 11 AUG 1857 Tepetongo

I can't remember but do any of these names sound familiar to anyone here?
Don't you have Flores Kitty in your or Rich's line?:

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.

Surnames: Aguilera/Cordova/Flores/Torres
Classification: Query

Message Board URL:

http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AaC.2ACI/274

Message Board Post:

Juan Cordova Aguilera b) 24apr1882 in Encarnacion de Diaz m) c1904 to Marcelina Flores b) 8oct1889 in Encarnacion.  
Juan's parents were Refugio Aguilera and Teodosia Cordova. I have no other infomation on them.
Marcelina's parents were Albino Flores and Athanacia Torres.  They were married 13Feb1877 at Santa Maria de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mx. 
This is the

I need the CP (?Codio Postal?) for both Santa Maria de Los Angeles and
Apatzingan Michoacan.

Does anyone have any ideas how to get the CP's for these places and
other ranchos in Mexico?

thanks,

joseph

okay there are a bunch of folks on this list and only a few have sent
in their genealogies. . .divy up. Also some of you sent your genealogies
in an email --- I'm going to somehow put these into a file in the File
section. . .so can you all that sent your info in an email to the group
send them to me again with the subject: Genealogy of "Your Name"

Try to use this format:

complete name (dob: ___, place of birth:____) married (date/place)
complete name (dob: ___, place of birth:____):

their children:

1) complete name (dob: ___, place of birth:____)
2) complete name (dob: ___, place of birth:____)
3) complete name (dob: ___, place of birth:____)
4) complete name (dob: ___, place of birth:____)

#1 married complete name (dob: ___, place of birth:____)
their children:

#2 married complete name (dob: ___, place of birth:____)
their children

of course this will only work for very brief genealogies

if yours is longer try to input it into PAF or another program and send
it on

Thanks for clearing this up and I'm sure you are correct.

Carol

aajay1073 wrote:

 Here is YOUR Maria Ana De Casas marriage
record:

JOSE FELIPE CARRILLO

Male

Marriages:

Spouse:  MARIA ANA DE CASAS

Marriage:  18 JAN 1804   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco,
Mexico

Messages:

Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The

source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage

date.

Source Information:

Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:

M604653  1790 - 1819  0443783

I don't think we are talking about the same Maria Ana Casas. 
I can't

imagine her having children in the 1750's and then remarrying in
1804.

- Angie

 

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Came across this:

JUAN ANTONIO DE CASAS  
Male
Marriages: 
Spouse:  MA. FRANCA. MARQZ.
Marriage:  05 JUN 1782   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico 
Messages: 
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.  
Source Information: 
Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
M604652  1752 - 1790  0443782

ANNA MARIA CASAS MARQUES
Female
Event(s):
Christening:  22 JUL 1789   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Parents:
Father:  JUAN ANTONIO DE CASAS
Mother:  MARIA FRANCISCA MARQUES
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the 
record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by 
the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
C602864  1768 - 1790  0443674

ALSO SIBLIINGS:
JOSE MARIA DE LA NATIVIDAD CASAS MARQUEZ
Gender: Male Christening: 05 JAN 1784 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, 
Mexico

MARIA NARSISSA CASAS MARQUES

Here is YOUR Maria Ana De Casas marriage record:

JOSE FELIPE CARRILLO
Male
Marriages: 
Spouse:  MARIA ANA DE CASAS
Marriage:  18 JAN 1804   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Messages: 
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.  
Source Information: 
Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
M604653  1790 - 1819  0443783   

I don't think we are talking about the same Maria Ana Casas.  I can't 
imagine her having children in the 1750's and then remarrying in 1804.

- Angie

Info I received from our genealogy friends.



A. Garza

============================================

18 March 2003



To All Who Would Help Preserve Hispanic History in the New World



You are hereby informed that a 2nd Edition of WITH ALL ARMS, the

monumental work of genealogical and historical research by the late

Carl L. Duaine, is in the process of preparation.



This project comes sixteen years after the first appearance of the

book, now that the last of the 2,500 original copies are selling for

$150.00 a copy...when they can be found.



The second edition will be done by Laurence Alan Duaine, son of

the author, dba Las Animas Press, and to the best of his ability and

understanding of his father's effort, a worthy successor to that

heroic job. This will be a printing run of at least 3,000, including

improved maps and illustrations. A primary aim will be to make the

book available at a much lower price and thus to a wider audience,

now that it has achieved the recognition that

Hmm..this could be interesting I also have a Mariana De Casas on my list
who was married to Felipe Carrillo who was my gggrandfather who had my
gg-grandfather Pedro Nolasco Carrillo born 2/8/1812 in Colotlan who then
had my ggrandmother Francisca Carrillo b. 1842 married to Casimiro Muro. 
Could be a different Mariana??? (unless she married twice).  I have
listed Mariana De Casas parents as Juan Antonio De Casas and Francisca
Marques.  I would have to say my Mariana would be born abt. 1780 time-frame. 
I'll look to see if I have that birth record/marriage record etc.

Carol

Joseph Puentes wrote:

 

its 2am and I don't know if my heart can handle the adrenaline
rush

you've just given me. . .now I realize that we are only 90% sure
but I

think with your good researching techniques you've tied us together
as

family. . .now what would that make us something like 5th or 6th
cousins.

lets see here is me:

Joseph---Antonio Puentes------Julio Puentes-----Julio Puentes/Victoriana

Gonzales-----

its 2am and I don't know if my heart can handle the adrenaline rush
you've just given me. . .now I realize that we are only 90% sure but I
think with your good researching techniques you've tied us together as
family. . .now what would that make us something like 5th or 6th cousins.

lets see here is me:

Joseph---Antonio Puentes------Julio Puentes-----Julio Puentes/Victoriana
Gonzales------MaximoGonzales/Serapia Diaz---------
Tadeo Diaz/Margarita Romero------Tomas Romero/Merced de Nava------Manuel
Romero/Mariana de Casas-----??? Romero/???

Wooooe if you have the same amount of steps as I do that would make us
7th (lucky us) cousins. . .this is too wild to very wild.

this pushes my hopes for this group beyond the wildest dream of what I
actually thought might happen. . .

I know we're not absolutely sure but

. . .its nice to know you, Prima,

Joseph

oh i just realized that I have Merced de Nava's parents: here is what I
have and if this matches then we are locked:

Prima!!!!

aajay1073 wrote:

I think I found them!

JOSE THOMAS ROMERO
Male
Marriages:
Spouse:  MARIA MERCED DE LOS DOLORES DE NAVA

Marriage: 04 JAN 1787 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage
date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.:

M604652  1752 - 1790  0443782

SIMON ROMERO
Male
Marriages:
Spouse:  MARIA YGNACIA CASTANEDA
Marriage:  09 OCT 1791   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Messages:

Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage
date.
Source Information:

Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
M604653  1790 - 1819  0443783

In the film for Jose Thomas Romero's marriage. His parents are
listed as Manuel Romero and Ana Maria Casas. I think (in my opinion)
we are talking about the same Manuel Romero. Manuel's

Hello, my name is Arturo Garza and I belong to a Hispanic organization based in Dallas, Texas.  The name of the organization is HOGAR de Dallas.  HOGAR stand for Hispanic Organization for Genealogy And Research, and as the name indicates, our organization caters mainly to Hispanic research.  We are a young organization -- came into existance in 1998. 



Every year we publish a journal which includes articles, stories, family charts, queries, and anything else that pertains to genealogy.  Some of the family stories may not pertain specifically to genealogy, but the stories contain information about individuals, how they grew up, who they grew up with, where they grew up, etc.  These stories have helped readers of our journals with some of their research because of names and places mentioned in the family stories. 



Membership and sale of the journals is how HOGAR de Dallas remains in existance and we're able to provide genealogy research workshops in local libraries. 



This year we

I think I found them!

JOSE THOMAS ROMERO
Male
Marriages:
Spouse:  MARIA MERCED DE LOS DOLORES DE NAVA
Marriage:  04 JAN 1787   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico 
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.
Source Information: 
Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
M604652  1752 - 1790  0443782

SIMON ROMERO
Male
Marriages:
Spouse:  MARIA YGNACIA CASTANEDA
Marriage:  09 OCT 1791   San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The 
source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage 
date.  
Source Information:
Batch No.:  Dates:  Source Call No.:
M604653  1790 - 1819  0443783

In the film for Jose Thomas Romero's marriage.  His parents are 
listed as Manuel Romero and Ana Maria Casas.  I think (in my opinion) 
we are talking about the same Manuel Romero.  Manuel's brother 
Joachin Romero and his wife

did I reply to this???

No I don't have any of their dates but I do have some of their children:
see 2 pdf's

I'm guess somewhere around the mid 1700's as a dob for Manuel and maybe
around 1760-70 for Simon and Tomas. . .just a guess though,

as to locations only for the births of the children.

joseph


aajay1073 wrote:

Joseph,

I was looking over your Manuel Romero file again. Do you know the
dates for Tomas or Simon Romero's birth, christening or marriage?
The dates or the locations.

- Angie



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Attachment:
TomasRomeroMercedNavaFamily.pdf

Description: Adobe PDF document

Attachment:
SimonRomeroYgnaciaCastañedaFamily.pdf

Description: Adobe PDF document

Now I guess its obvious why I started this group. And its obvious why I
toss in my comments on how I do my research. That one technique has got
to be the best thing. . .I just used it and came up with long lists of
people I want to investigate. I'm sure later it will help me find
relatives. Angie, thanks!!!

Joseph

aajay1073 wrote:

Hey Joseph,

Yes, I have used the parent search for the majority of my
searches... That is how I have been able to get the majority of my
information. I use all the searches you described plus about two
more. Have you ever tried using the "Use exact spelling" checkbox?
Leave all fields blank except the last name field. In the last name
field type in the father's last name, then the mother's last name.
Both last names in the same field. Then click the checkbox and run
the search. I have been able to find many people using this method.
The only thing is that at least one of the last names have to be
uncommon. Otherwise you will get

Hey Joseph,

Yes, I have used the parent search for the majority of my 
searches...  That is how I have been able to get the majority of my 
information.  I use all the searches you described plus about two 
more.  Have you ever tried using the "Use exact spelling" checkbox?  
Leave all fields blank except the last name field.  In the last name 
field type in the father's last name, then the mother's last name.  
Both last names in the same field.  Then click the checkbox and run 
the search.  I have been able to find many people using this method.  
The only thing is that at least one of the last names have to be 
uncommon.  Otherwise you will get a list of like 200 names.  When I 
run the searches I generally get less the 25 names and I can look at 
the individuals based on location.  You also have to think about the 
different spelling variations.

For example:  Diaz Sanchez (two common last names, probably not a 
good example... :( ...)  But if you did want to search for them the

Joseph, 

I was looking over your Manuel Romero file again.  Do you know the 
dates for Tomas or Simon Romero's birth, christening or marriage?  
The dates or the locations.

- Angie

-----Original Message-----
From: Irma GomezLucero
[mailto:igomezlucero@...]
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 8:21
AM
To: 'ranchos@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [ranchos]
Intro

Hi
Roberta,

    I know that Tepatitlan is near Jalostotitlan, San Juan,
San Miguiel & Santana.  All of these ancestors are from the
Jalostotitlan area: 

 

 Rafael Perez married Maria de la Nieves
Franco (b. abt. 1796)  (Rancho de los Portales) My 3rd
Great Grandparents

Jose
Maria Gomez (d. abt.1839)  married Maria Josefa
Perez (Rancho de La Parada) My 4th Great Grandparents 
I've been told they immigrated from Spain, married in Peru, but I have not
gone back far enough in my research yet to

Bautismos for San Felipe, Cuquio, Jalisco, Mexico

Batch No.:   Dates:   Source Call No.:

J602701 1666 - 1726 0615009
J602702 1726 - 1747 0615010
C602703 1747 - 1758 0615011
C602704 1758 - 1772 0615012

C602705   1772 - 1788   0615013

C602706 1789 - 1796 0615014
C602707 1797 - 1801 0615015
C602708 1801 - 1809 0615016
C602709 1809 - 1813 0615017

C604661   1813 - 1819   0615018
C604662   1820 - 1823   0615019
C604663   1823 - 1830   0615020
C604664   1830 - 1836   0615021
C604665   1836 - 1845   0615022

C604666 1845 - 1853 0615023
C604667 1853 - 1857 0615024

C604668   1857 - 1864   0615025
C604669   1864 - 1872   0615026

Matrimonios for San Felipe, Cuquio, Jalisco, Mexico

M602701 1666 - 1705 0615009

M604673 1711 - 1762 0617581
M604674 1762 - 1795 0617582

M604675   1795 - 1812   0617583
M604676   1813 - 1840   0617584
M604677   1840 - 1860   0617585
M604678   1860 - 1874   0617586

M604679 1874 - 1885 0617587

How many of you all are thoroughly using the IGI parent search feature
of the Family Search website? Now I'm not saying that I am either but
here are a few of the strategies I use in hunting for my ancestors.

I'm going to use my Great Great Grandparents: Lucio Santa Maria and
Cecilia Lugo. My Aunt Julia Espinoza gave me their names in a
conversation one day. I went straight to IGI search page and plugged
their names into the parent section. These are the names that I turned up:

Mexico
Father: Lucio Santa Maria, Mother: Cecilia Lugo

1. CAYETANO SANTA LUGO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 11 AUG 1857 Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mexico
2. MARIA ANTONIA SANTA LUGO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 JUN 1862 Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mexico
3. ALBINO SANTA LUGO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 20 DEC 1869 Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Mexico
4. BLAS SANTA LUGO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male

Just in case anyone out there is using a Macintosh: Let me know if you
need any of the files that might be difficult to open and I'll cut and
paste them into an email. Or for that matter if anyone is having any
kind of difficulty reading the messages from the archives or anything
else let me know on private email and we'll work on it together.

Joseph

Joseph, Nadine and I just had a conversation about boundary changes 
recently.  Yes, it is very likely that Colotlan was in the Zacatecas 
diocese in earlier times.  As for whether or not the records are now 
stored in the Guadalajara archdiocese.  I'll have to ask Nadine to 
see if she knows.  Her line is busy right now...
As for the 2nd question, I think I can answer that one. I have looked 
at a few of those films and the reason some years appear to be 
duplicated is that the original books had lose pages and many of them 
are out of order.  They appear to have been microfilmed exactly as 
they were found.  I think you'll find that for example Jan-Feb 1685 
will be in one film, March-June in another, etc. but not duplicated.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> Wow she sounds like a wonderfully experienced in Genealogy 
person. . .
> 
> Can you ask her some questions for me?
> 
> 1) Colotlan's records keep saying from the diocese of

Luz has helped me for free on several occasions, going so far as to tell me
what cities my clan could be found in a particular generation and offering
historical information about Jalisco and Zacatecas. She does charge for
specific family research, however, and I have not yet used her services for
this purpose. A couple of years ago she was excited to message with me
for free, offering lots of advice, but my Spanish is slow and inadequate.

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se habla español aqui, but professional genealogist usually ='s $$$$

Now mind you that later in about 10 years after I've finally come to my
first brickwall I might be willing to part with some schecals but not
just yet.

Do you think she'd be willing to send the group some general tips to get
us newbies going? GRATIS?

what does she charge by the way?

thanks,

joseph

Send me her email address and I'll send her an invitation to join the
group in Spanish.

Evie Villegas wrote:

Luz Montejano of Mexico City has been a professional genealogist for 20
years and her area of expertise is Jalisco and Zacatecas. She is especially
helpful with historical issues as she knows which families lived in a
particular area at a particular time. She corresponds in Spanish only.