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I will be updating my post with a whole bunch more information.  I had just been going off of memory to make my original post.  As soon as I can copy information from my documents there will be a lot more on there.

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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 15:34:30 -0800 (PST)
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I am so happy to have found your conversation. It gives me new hope of
finding more information on my family. I am also looking for family members
in Mezquital del Oro and the surrounding areas. The oldest record I have for
the Cida family is 1744, but then I had no idea where to go from there since
there aren't very many records older than that. Thank you, and welcome!

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Subject: Digest Footer

I just saw an episode of a TV show named Forever (Warner Channel Latinoamérica, lunes, 22 hrs), it had an interesting genealogy quote:

"The truth is, each of us is related. It's just a question of how far back you trace your family tree. Deep down, all of us have shared blood in our veins. Although, individual tastes may vary. And if we're all related then all of us have royal blood, which is why every child should be treated as a king or queen no matter how old our children may be." Hernry Morgan.

Regards,
Victoriano Navarro

For those of you in this area:

From: Angel R. Cervantes [mailto:angelrcervantes@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 2:09 AM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Anthropological Genetic Genealogy: The Celt-Iberian Connection to
New Mexican Families (Haplogroup R1b1)

Hello,

I would like to invite you to attend a lecture on Anthropological Genetic
Genealogy: The Celt-Iberian Connection to New Mexican Families (Haplogroup
R1b1). If you would like to learn more about the mark this ancient
civilization made on the Iberian Peninsula then this presentation is for
you. There will be a presentation on the subject on April 19, through the
University of New Mexico Continuing Education program.

Here is a link to sign up for the presentation:

http://newmexico.augusoft.net/index.cfm?method=ClassInfo.ClassInformati…

&int_class_id=51435&int_category_id=18&int_sub_category_id=182

Best Regards

Ángel de Cervantes
Project Administrator
New Mexico DNA Project
Iberian Peninsula DNA Project

Amalia,

In a message board from 2001 I found this statement:

"Among the original settlers [of Nuevo Mexico] were the Archuleta, Baca, Chavez, Lucero and Montoya families. Soldiers brought from Spain included the Paez Hurtado, Fernandez de la Pedrera, Roybal surnames. Families which came from the Valley of Mexico [Mexico City] included Aragon, Medina, Ortiz, Quintana and many others. The bulk of this group arrived in Santa Fe in June 1695. From the city of Zacatecas [capital of the state of Zacatecas] and the mines of Sobrerete [in the state of Zacatecas] came the Armijo, Vigil, and Vargas families as well as others who did not arrive in Santa Fe until May 1695. Several families that were native to Guadalupe del Paso [now Juarez] came north, including the Padilla and Perea clans".

So, that tells me that your Villalpandos were most likely from Zacatecas where the "Villa de Jerez" is.

The information in the post from 2001 seems to have been lifted from Fray Angelico's book.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

I was going through defunto records of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico and ran across this one of "Antonio Lopez" 71 years of age of Rancho San Rafael, "murio de dehidrofecia" I don't know that that means.

But it also says he left someone a "medalla de plata" I wonder what is that? Medal of honor made of silver?

http://oi61.tinypic.com/21nnrl3.jpg

Los libros se pueden entregar personalmente en la ciudad de México o enviar por algún medio a convenir. Los precios son en pesos mexicanos.

I found out where the old panteon of Huejuquilla El Alto is located. I was told that:

“en esta parte estaba ubicado el antiguo panteon... tambien estaba el corredero.. donde se hacian l los jaripeos y coleaderos.. a lado norte junto a lo que hoy es la gasolineria nueva... en este cuadro hoy se encuentra el Hospital de primer nivel. y el jardin de niños Xochicalitl.”

“en la parte de abajo esta lo que es la corraleta y donde estubieron los lavaderos municipales. es por la salida a San Juan Capistrano.. al fondeo se aprecia el Hotel Moras Palomas.”

And they provided me with this picture:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2rpsdj4.jpg

Then he told me that where the yellow line is in the picture below they dug to build a canal and they found a lot of bones:

“Aqui por donde esta la linea en amarillo pasa el canal por abajo de la tierra.. ahi se hicieron excabaciones y sacaron muchos huesos .. la verdad no se donde se depositarian... . ya en esta parte hay bodegas y casas... ellos o muchos no saben que aqui era un panteon”

http://oi58.tinypic.com/2cik50l.jpg

Those photos are taken at from an angle as if your standing on the bridge that crosses a river to go to Ex-Hacienda San Antonio and looking back at Huejuquilla. So it is on the side of Huejuquilla where the road is that leads towards “Cerro Huixtle and Cerro Blanco” as I have marked on this map:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2zpmn3b.jpg

Also on the above map, the “Cofradia is on that side of Huejuquilla and very near where the panteon antiguo is suppose to be. Because on that road that goes to Cerro Huixtle and Cerro Blanco you will see a green and white sign that says,

“Cofradia”

I have walked many times on that side of Huejuquilla. There is also a soccer field that is on that side very close to where the old panteon is suppose to be.
But if you were to go down the road and head towards San Juan Capistrano you would see the Cerro Huixtle and Cerro Blanco like this:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2yukcyg.jpg

Well for short, find “Calle Independencia” in downtown Huejuquilla and go down all the way towards the end then turn right on that road to where the soccer field, Cofradia is and that is the general area where the panteon antiguo is.

My hunch is that panteon antiguo is much older than I thought. Because when I was looking through the Archive of “La Cofradia (1632 – 1700)” of Huejuquilla El Alto in the LDS website, I saw some pages where the author mentioned a “Capilla” he wrote, “En esta capilla del rancho de Juan De Angon” So then if at that time the Parroquia of San Diego didn’t exist yet, there was a capilla at the Cofradia of Huejuquilla very near where the panteon antiguo is located. I would think that the people at that time had their church service at that capilla then buried in the panteon antiguo. Then when the “Parroquia de San Diego came into existence, which is on the other side of town, the defunto services and records were held there, then the defunto was transported to where the panteon antiguo which would be about a 10 – 20 minute walk from the parroquia de San Diego to the panteon antiguo

I am trying to find the defunto record of my GGGG Grandfather Francisco Madera whose wife I know is Maria Leocadia De Huizar and they had a son name Juan Venancio Madera in 1762 in Rancho De Los Maderas. Then Juan had a son name Patricio Madera in Rancho Ximulco in 1792.

But now I turned my attention to try to find the matrimonio of my GGG Grandfather Juan Venancio Madera. But as I got to 1786 I ran across this document that is in the matrimonios but what is odd? Francisco Madera makes an accusation against Blas Escalante over his daughter Maria Josefa Madera. This is odd because Francisco Madera even goes so far as to demand that Blas Escalante be arrested and executed!! Here is his statement:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/1onacn.jpg

Then Blas Escalantes gives his statement to defend himself. I am not sure is going on and it is like a soap opera and I want to know if in the end, did Maria Josefa Madera get married with Blas Escalante?

This goes from page 30 - 33 the statements made by both sides:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18567-42637-19?cc=1874591&wc…

From: Angel R. Cervantes [mailto:angelrcervantes@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 7:45 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: The Indo-European Connection to the Celts (DNA & Language Origin)

Hello,

I would like to invite you to attend a lecture on Anthropological Genetic Genealogy: The Indo-European Connection to the Celts (DNA & Language Origin). If you would like to learn more about the mark this ancient civilization made on Europe then this presentation is for you. There will be a talk on the subject on February 27 at 3:30 PM, through the University of New Mexico Osher program. The class number is 19449.

To register for this Osher class go to the following link:

http://newmexico.augusoft.net/index.cfm?method=ClassInfo.ClassInformati… &int_class_id=68181&int_category_id=18&int_sub_category_id=189&int_catalog_id=0

or

* Call: 505-277-0077, press option 1
* In person: M-F, 8:00am - 5:00pm,
1634 University Blvd. NE
Albuquerque, NM 87102

Best Regards,

Ángel de Cervantes
Project Administrator
New Mexico DNA Project
Iberian Peninsula DNA Project

P.S. For more information contact Angel

Primos,

Regards Ancestry.com online family trees:

I found out the hard way that if you share (by clicking share) on someone else's Tree's photos or photos of Catholic Church digital records that when that owner of that Tree deletes his/her own Tree, you lose all that data yourself.

It is better to copy/paste those photos into your own "picture file" and then upload them into your own Tree to permanently keep them.

Jose Carlos de Leon

Hola a Todos
Por cuestiones de cambio de ciudad y trabajo estuve muy fuera del foro.
Les comparto que tengo un libro de la Genealogía de los Torres de Jaen(Gonzalo Torres Martínez), por si alguien requieren alguna información.
Me gustaría ver si me pudiesen ayudar a encontrar a los orígenes de los ascendientes de Juan Ysidro De Villalobos y Anna Ximenez ( que se casaron en Nochistlan el 11 de octubre de 1769). Tengo que los padres de Juan Ysidro son Francisco de Villalobos y María Carrillo y los de Anna (Creo que Joseph) Ximenez y María Rodríguez.
Gracias de antemano todas las enseñanzas compartidas en el foro.

I have found a major flaw in my tree. It seems I have fallen victim to the syndrome of "too many people with the same name." I somehow had combined Francisco Michel-Ordones (1), married to Michaela Lopez-Bueso, with Francisco Michel-Ordones (2), married to Manuela Lopez-Bueso and then to Lorenza Gertrudes Gonzales. My husband is a direct descendant of both of these men.

Francisco (1), was married to Michaela up to the time of his death in 1709:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18721-8269-65?cc=1874591&wc=…

I have 7 children listed for this couple: Maria (Directly descended), Dominga, Domingo, Juana, Ascencio, Ignacio, Regina. I haven't located a marriage for this couple nor can I verify their parents...although there are several possibilities. A strong possibility is that he is the brother of Thomas Michel-Ordones, father of Francisco (2).

Francisco (2), was born to Thomas Michel-Ordones and Augustina Escobar in 1694 in Autlan:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18561-19394-40?cc=1874591&wc…

was married to Manuela Lopez-Bueso until her death in 1742 in Sayula:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18571-57336-26?cc=1874591&wc…

I have 5 children listed for this couple: Maria de la Concepcion, Juan Matias, Thomas, Julio Feliciano, and Justa Maria.

Francisco (2) married in 1744 in Sayula:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18578-4484-49?cc=1874591&wc=…

This couple had at least 6 children: Maria Magdalena (directly descended), Bernardino Jose, Juan Marcelo, Agustin Maria, Josef Francisco, and Thomas.

I've spent hours sorting out these two people and their families, but now I can't seem to be left with a swirl of information. I would greatly appreciate if someone could provide a life-preserver...or at least a stick.

Thank you,
Deedra Corona

Hello...does anyone know where I can get more info regarding Reales?
I'm going through 1780 archives, and I'm coming up with towns called Real de (fill in blank). Many are now towns such as Real de La Yesca (where I'm presently researching) or Real de Bolaños. I can't seem to find Real de El Carrizal or Real de San Raphael.
I am noticing priests distinguishing between ciudades, pueblos, ranchos & haciendas.
Anyone know of a website or book that can fill me in?'

Cheers,
Andelmo

Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum

I'm Danny and I've been researching my family for about a month. It started
as a school project but then I became really interested after it was over.
My Spanish teacher that's LDS was helping me read the records. I'm not sure
of the actual ranches that my familes ancestors are from, but they're
mostly on records from the Encarnacion de Diaz section of Family Search.
Ive traced my family to Ysabel Masias and Juan Antonio De Robalcaba married
in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico on May 27th 1764 but
the record wasn't readable, even by my teacher. Thank you for letting me be
in the forum and if the forum knows who Ysabel Masias's ancestors are
please tell me.

--
Danny C. Alonso

Did something happen with the NR e-mail system? The font has become hard to read. I do not see this with other e-mails that I send or receive.

Perhaps a non-standard font is being used?

George Fulton

En Saltillo, Este jueves proximo, mañana 12 de febrero, se inicia un Taller
de genealogía y Paleografia en la Universidad Autónoma de Coahuila,
Camporredondo, Instituto de Enseñanza Abierta. (Tel: 4149285). De 18 a
19:30. Si puede lleve fotocopia de su propia acta de nacimiento.
Instructor:Miguel
Ángel Munoz Borrego .

Miguel Ángel Muñoz Borrego
844-1831158 celular
Saltillo, Coahuila, Mexico.

2015-02-11 17:08 GMT-06:00 :

Many thanks to all of you who replied to my question : Julieta, Emilie, and
Mario. I really appreciate the explanations. Muchas gracias.
Saludos,
Beverly

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1. Re: What does C. M. mean? (Emilie Garcia)
2. Re: Introduction and information on Ysabel Macias (Emilie Garcia)
3. Introduction and information on Ysabel Macias (Danny Alonso)
4. Introduction and information on Ysabel Macias (Danny Alonso)
(Danny Alonso)
5. Re: What does C. M. mean? (Mario Gonzalez)
6. Introduction and information on Ysabel Macias (IChristopher)
7. Re: What does C. M. mean? (julievalens@bluewin.ch)
8. Introduction and information on Ysabel Macias (Danny Alonso)

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 17:26:05 -0800
From: Emilie Garcia
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] What does C. M. mean?
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Ciudadano means "citizen", but in Mexico, what was a "mexicano"? I guess it
meant a mestizo? Otherwise he would be "indio" and not "espanol"?. I'm
confused.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 23:14:09 -0600
> From: glezgo65@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> CC: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] What does C. M. mean?
>
> C M = Ciudadano Mexicano
>
> 2015-02-06 22:44 GMT-06:00 Beverly Ewald :
>
> >
> >
> > I have recently come across some baptismal records that have the
> > infant's names, followed by the initials C. M. Can anyone tell me what
the C. M.
> > stands for? Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > See this image:
> >
> > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20465-15470-77?cc=1860
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> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 19:55:17 -0800
> From: "pnettleship@lasenora.org"
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> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] General Digest, Vol 109, Issue 5
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> This chain is really confusing.
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That’s because people don’t snip the tails off their emails before responding. Extremely confusing for those of us who get the digest. And inconsiderate.

Linda

One of the places that disappear are cemetaries. I have been asking around where the old cemetaries during colonial times were in our villages. Some people don't know and others have said that it is at a place where now a Church, rodeo or other structures exists today.

I would like to get a device or Garmin Etrex that gives you latitude and longtitude coordinates of the very spot you are at. So as to note it down. For in case of descendants in the future that do geneology research and want to locate certain spots. The coordinates would give the precise spot.

This chain is really confusing.

On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 3:03 PM,
wrote:

Thank you sir for the additional ancestors. Is this the wedding of Ysabel
Macias's parents

Name: Joseph Manuel Macias
Spouse's
Name: Maria Josepha De Aguilar
Event Date: 01 Oct
1762 Event
Place: El Sagrario,Aguascalientes,Aguascalientes,Mexico
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60485-1

, System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 299828

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Danny C. Alonso

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> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 06:49:42 -0800
> From: Danny Alonso
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction and information on Ysabel
> Macias
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> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum
>
> I'm Danny and I've been researching my family for about a month. It started
> as a school project but then I became really interested after it was over.
> My Spanish teacher that's LDS was helping me read the records. I'm not sure
> of the actual ranches that my familes ancestors are from, but they're
> mostly on records from the Encarnacion de Diaz section of Family Search.
> Ive traced my family to Ysabel Masias and Juan Antonio De Robalcaba married
> in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico on May 27th 1764 but
> the record wasn't readable, even by my teacher. Thank you for letting me be
> in the forum and if the forum knows who Ysabel Masias's ancestors are
> please tell me.
>
> --
> Danny C. Alonso
>
>
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>
> Subject: Digest Footer
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Looking for direct male descendant of Diego ROMO (abt. 1630) son of Diego ROMO DE VIVAR (1589-1650) with family tree showing direct male connections.

Also looking for any direct male descendants of Diego's male siblings, which as far as I know are:

Juan ROMO (Abt. 1632)
Pedro ROMO (b.1632 Ags, Mx)
Geronimo ROMO
Francisco ROMO (Abt. 1644)

Please feel free to correct any of my dates or information.

I am a direct descendant of Diego ROMO DE VIVAR (1589-1650) and would like to connect my research. If you have had your yDNA tested it would be great. If not, I'm willing to pay for your yDNA to be tested.

Thanks primos!

I wish they could tape the Basque lectures and let us download or purchase
them (since we cannot attend the class).

Is that possible?

Many thanks!
Patricia Lawrence

On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 5:52 PM,
wrote:

Hello...I'm interested in the Basque class for R1+....can it be watched via
the internet?
Thank you...

Patricia

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 5:06 PM,
wrote:

I have recently come across some baptismal records that have the infant's
names, followed by the initials C. M. Can anyone tell me what the C. M.
stands for? Thanks.

See this image:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-20465-15470-77?cc=1860864…
C48-SM9:167670301,167670302,168112901