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Hello everyone,

My name is Christopher de Cuéllar and I'm very new to geneaology and very new to the group. I've only been doing geneaology for about a month. My father died when I was very young so I never really knew much about my ancestors. That's probably why I started becoming interested in geneaology. I'm currently in high school and am trying to accomplish as much research during the winter break as possible. Mainly, spending all my free time pulling records I can find on family search. Also, if there's anyone that could assist in occasionally translating records for me, I would really appreciate it. I have dyslexia which really hasn't been a problem for me lately, but for some reason the ancient cursive writing on marriage and baptism records gives me a problem.

I'm currently researching my ancestors the Calvillo, Macías and Ponce families from Aguascalientes and the Vásquez and Garcia families from Guadalajara, Jalisco. Right now, I'm mainly interested in Francisco Xavier Calvillo that married María Michaela Macías at El Sagrario, Aguascalientes on 24 May 1753 and their ancestors. Also, interested in Gregorio Ponce that married María Gertrudis Rangel on 6 Feb 1796 and their ancestors.

In Guadalajara, the only record I have for my Vásquez ancestor is Miguel Vasquez born 29 Sept 1896 in Guadalajara and baptised on 19 Oct 1896 at Iglesia Parroquial de Jesus, Guadalajara. On his baptism it lists his parents as Cecilio Vásquez and Flora Garcia and his paternal grandparents as Leonardo Vásquez and Susana Garcia. It lists his maternal grandparents as Sinforiano Garcia and Donaciana Vejar. I'm especially looking for information on them.

Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance."

Christopher de Cuéllar

Hola , I believe that the Mulatos were looking at a chance of freedom but maybe the owners (after/during the revolution) sent them away seeing that couldn't feed them and had no labor force . Maybe the Mulatos observing all this decided to split. But there were so many Its hard to conceive they just disappeared.
Ronnie

Has anyone had any good results from using FTDNA.com ? I just transferred my data from Ancestry.com to FTDNA and while it only took an hour for results to come in, it doesn't show a lot of information. I have not paid for the full version of the website, not sure if it is worth it.
Anyone have any experiences using this site or any other?

Kristine

There are three ports in Spain that were there during XVI period:

Puerto San Sebastian:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/142fsp2.jpg

Puerto Santander:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2ym9bm1.jpg

Puerto Sevilla:

http://oi58.tinypic.com/s3zkte.jpg

Included are the three pictures. Most of the spanish explorers that arrived to Zacatecas were from the Basque region from "Gipuzkoa" such as Francisco Ibarra, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gipuzkoa

The ports of San Sebastian and Santander are located in the northern side of Spain near the Basque region. So I wonder if that is where they embarked rather than Sevilla which is at the very south side of Spain.

Is anyone familiar with Sagrario de Zacatecas??? What towns belonged to this parish in the early 1600-1700's. Also, why did it change names to Iglesia de Santo Domingo in the later colonial years.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15210-22038-32?cc=1804458&wc…

Is it similar to Archdiocese de Guadalajara???

I noticed their records go back to as early as 1605. In their "Baptism" records were "Marriages" mixed in.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-11200-31852-57?cc=1804458&wc…

Also, under "Marriages 1712-1753" were important legal documents with seals that date back to as early as 1634. Some of these documents mention, "Capitanes" "Minas" "Duque de Alburque" These legal documents begin on image 404 and continue for about 100 pages.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15210-22038-32?cc=1804458&wc…

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15210-21982-81?cc=1804458&wc…

Does anyone know what this documents are that would require 3-4 seals???

Thanks

Ruben

I found a map where you can zoom in a specific area and get a close look:

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/map_item.pl?data=/home/www/data/gmd/gmd4/…

Source:

http://generalurrutia.blogspot.com/2008_10_01_archive.html

By Joseph De Urrutia who I posted earlier about Capitan of Navio Arrogante:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/10mlifr.jpg

I was going through baptismo records of year 1667 of pueblo Santa Catharina which is recorded in Mezquitic Catholic Church records and noticed the signatures of "Fray Marcos De Niza:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2dmccpg.jpg

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18739-78525-87?cc=1874591&wc…

I looked him up:

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcos_de_Niza

Is that the same Marcos De Niza? Who is supposed to have been born in 1495 and passed away in 1558.

here
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21043

and here
http://guadalajaradispensas.tumblr.com/

just wanted to share that since it can make navegating these doucments more easier

Transportation of Cargo between Cadiz and Veracruz year 1786:
Here Navios (Ships) names “Arrogante” and “San Leandro” are named:

http://oi62.tinypic.com/2e2piyc.jpg

Other pages that follow:
http://oi59.tinypic.com/oppij7.jpg
http://oi59.tinypic.com/2heitk5.jpg

Here again Navio (Ship) Arrogante mentioned:
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2zom4hx.jpg

More following page:
http://oi59.tinypic.com/o53lfb.jpg

Here is what I think is a cargo list. I can’t remember if I copied them in order:
http://oi57.tinypic.com/110eqg0.jpg
http://oi60.tinypic.com/9gdpbl.jpg
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2rr8e3m.jpg

Here Navio (Ship) Arrogante (also known as the San Antonio De Padua) is mentioned:
http://oi60.tinypic.com/2sb7c6w.jpg

I then began to look up those ships to see what they look like and found information on Navio Arrogante and San Leandro:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrogante_%281755%29
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Leandro_(1787)

What the San Leandro looked like:
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2lj26it.jpg

You can look up Navios in this website:
http://www.todoababor.es/listado/index.htm

Here is the title page of records and I was looking at the Santa Cathalina de Questomatitan

http://oi57.tinypic.com/27yzocg.jpg

Page 40 of the Mezquitic Catholic Records of San Juan Bautista Bautismos 1667 - 1686, Defunciones 1668 - 1686 shows name Juan Phelipe Alcalde del pueblo de Mezquitic as a padrino:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/2ekne5j.jpg

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18739-78525-87?cc=1874591&wc…

Hola Members,sorry for the molestia but I am unable to make out names . In Los Matrimonios de Nochistlan,Zacatecas-1736-1762 , feb. 20, 1737, Image # 630 se caso Salvador Carrillo and Ana de Jesus Rodriguez . Parents of Salvador Carrillo ,I can't make out . I think the father of the groom is Onofre and the mother ,I can't read it. Ana de Jesus Rodriguez I believe is Marcos Rodriguez and Juana Lopez de Elizalde .
I thank you for your time
Ronnie

I have some copies of the sister of my GGGGGG Grandfather Joseph Madera (1684 - 1734). Her name is "Manuela Madera" Copy of her bautismo June 23, 1686:

http://oi58.tinypic.com/28jgpoz.jpg

Her parents are my GGGGGGG Grandparents Antonio Madera and Maria De La Candelaria.

This is where I ask any of nuestros ranchos members about where it says "Manuela de Antonio de Los Angeles" Antonio de Los Angeles could be referring to where my GGGGGGG Grandfather Antonio Madera was from? "Los Angeles?" is there a town name Los Angeles and where is it? My GGGGGGG Grandparents Antonio Madera and Maria De La Candelaria resided in Minillas, Mesquitic, Jalisco, Mexico.

In 1707 She was Madrina with her brother (Juan or Joseph? Can't read or make it out). It says "con su hermana Manuela Madera:

http://oi62.tinypic.com/296ospv.jpg

She got married in on March 2, 1709 with Xristobal Robles:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/a11zz9.jpg

She passed away in 1738:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2cntjz8.jpg

estimados compañeros de este foro
un cordial saludos

alguien tiene noticias o novedades sobre si alguien ha encontrado algún documento que demuestre quienes son los padre de Petronila de Moctezuma esposa de martin gabay navarro?
se los agradecería mucho
excelente dia
saludos

Estoy buscando informacion sobre mi antepasado Pedro de Ledesma casado con Isabel del Grado el es originario de Zamora España nacido en 1515. No e podido encontrar mas informacion sobre sus antepasados, Alguin me puede ayudar en esta investigacion?

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> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ?Pelirrojo o rubio?
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> hola Alfonso
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> el documento sobre el soldado no me llego o no pude abrir, pero me llamo la atencion el enlace que pusiste en donde en las fotos eran todos pelirrojos y tu escribias rubios :) es verdad que a veces hacemos errores tan obvios que no los notamos y creo que asi te paso a ti esta vez. :)
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> pero volviendo a los ojos rojos yeux roux, encontre en un libro , que aqui te paso el enlace, al parecer yeux roux es un termino que se usaba en la epoca de Napoleon y que describia unos ojos color "castana - rojizos" y que actualmente ya no se usa, tambien los habia amarillos y anaranjados !
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> http://www.persee.fr/web/revues/home/prescript/article/pop_0032-4663_19…
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> esta en la pag 643 un cuadro sobre los colores de ojos
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> Saludos Julieta
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> De : reynosoalfonso@hotmail.com
> Date : 06/12/2014 - 14:45 (EO)
> ? : general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Objet : [Nuestros Ranchos] ?Pelirrojo o rubio?
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> Alfonso Reynoso Rabago
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> Totalmente de acuerdo contigo, Julieta. En mis aportes, emple? mal el t?rmino "rubio", deb? haber empleado la voz "pelirrojo". En efecto, El Diccionario de Real Academia define al rubio como "Dicho especialmente del pelo: De color amarillento, parecido al del oro." Agradezco mucho la correcci?n de mi error. Y totalmente de acuerdo contigo de que la expresi?n francesa para rubio es "blond" o "blonde" en femenino.
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> Sin embargo el problema en el documento comentado es que se diga que el soldado descrito tiene los ojos "roux". ?Ojos pelirrojos? Hasta donde s?, esa expresi?n no existe en franc?s como color de ojos. Investigar? mejor con personas de habla francesa.
>
> Un saludo y mil gracias por la aclaraci?n.
> Alfonso Reynoso R?bago
>
>

Hello, I am trying to decipher the difference in the following abbreviations, or if they actually mean the same thing just written differently?
These are all in three different baptism records I am trying to figure out:

Ps (sorry, the "s" is supposed to be written as an exponent character, but can't find that option on my keyboard)
P. nos
P.P.

I know P.s is for padrinos, and P is for padre, but trying to figure out these other ones and how they all fit in.

If anyone can help, I would be most grateful.

Thank you!

Hello my name is Ernestina Hernandez Sierra. It has been awhile since I've worked on my family tree due to serious illness in the family. Currently I am researching the Hernandez family. From my research it looks like starting with my great great great grandfather the family was from Cerrogordo Jalisco. Can any one tell me anything about this area. My grandfather was born in La Ordena? Is this a town? This is what I have found;
Grandfather Jose Ambrosia Hernandez Chaves born 7 Dec 1881 in La Ordena Jalisco
g-grandfater Pedro Hernandez born 1 July 1858 in Cerrogordo Jalisco
gg-grand Jose Andres Hernandez born 30 Nov 1824 in Cerrogordo Jalisco
ggg-grandfather Juan de dios born Aug 1790 in Cerrogordo, Jalisco
gggg- gramdfather Juan Franciso Hernandez- run into a dead end here.

My grandfather Ambrosia/o immigrated to the United States around the turn of the century.

Is there anyone out there that might be able to help with this.

Thank you so much
Ernestina

I was wondering if anyone might be able to assist me in continuing my research into the Mendoza family surname. Using FamilySearch.org historical I have been able to trace back my paternal family line (Mendoza) to San Luis Potosi. The last record I have found was a marriage of my GGGG grandfather, Jose Salbador Mendoza, to Maria Bruna Gamez dated 27 May 1812 in the Pueblo de S.Geronimo. The age of Salbador Mendoza is listed as 20 so I reasoned that he should have been born in 1792+/-. This Document list my GGGGG Grandfather as Juan Nicolas Mendoza. Unfortunately this is as far as I have been able to go. I have attached the marriage document should anyone wish to look and see if they might find additional information.

Hola Primo Armando, gracias por la informacion, lo de mi ADN fue hecho hace
varios anos, desde cuando empezaron al publico. En lo que me equivoque fue
en la traduccion del Ingles al Espanol de Scandinavian/German a
"Sueco-Aleman" actualmente debe ser "Escandinavo-Aleman". Los Visigodos
son originarios del sur de lo que hoy es Suecia (todavia existe la ciudad
de Goteburg), despues de ayudarle al Imperio Romano se les dieron terrenos
que hoy vienen siendo parte de la peninsula de Iberia, o sea Espana y
Portugal. De por ahi vinieron a Las Americas como Espanoles (y
Portugueses). La prueba de ADN que hice me puso a 80% Escandinavo-Aleman,
12% Mediterraneo, 4% Celtico y 4% de Siberia-Nativo Americano. Estudiando
mi linea Padilla de Avila y Reynoso he encontrado antepasados Sefarditos,
Vascos y de partes que hoy son de Italia. El punto de esta comunicacion es
que la gran mayoria de lo blanco en nuestros razgos son sencillamente de
Espana. De lo Celtico ha salido mucho en los Gallegos, tambien, son de
Espana. De las cifras de 48% ADN Aleman se ha verificado en varios
estudios, unos que se han visto aqui en Nuestros Ranchos. Lo de lo Nativo
en Mexico de 32% salio de los estudios modernos donde intentan identificar
los grupos etnicos de los Nativos. Creo que la confusion viene de como
hacen las pruebas hoy comparado a antes. Un primo hermano Gonzalez-Reynoso
acaba de tomar la prueba de ADN y no dice nada de lo Aleman, solo dice que
72% de Espana/Portugal, 6% Nativo, 2% Sefardito y 1% Africano (lo de mas no
me acuerdo). Creo que lo que nos confunde es lo que se llama el "Snapshot"
en Ingles, o sea, que tanto al pasado se estan haciendo las comparaciones.
Disculpa tanta palabra, solo queria decirles a mis Primos que la gran
mayoria de lo blanco viene de Espana, pero vinieron de otros lados antes de
ser Espanoles. Diosito los Cuide! Raul

2014-12-05 16:02 GMT-08:00 :

It is image (page) 257 of Matrimonios 1676 - 1829 of Diocese De Guadalajara Catholic Church Records:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18409-51684-34?cc=1874591&wc…

http://cachanilla69.blogspot.com/p/cronologia-de-fundacion-de-ciudades-…

A death record (1798) says an infant died of "Aygre". What is that? Same as Aigre? What does it mean? The only two definitions I've found don't help me much. One is "Flujo impetuoso del mar". Another source suggests it just means "air". If so, what condition does it describe?

This is not about genealogy but I wanted to help spread the word about this project that Rosa’s daughter is working on. You all know I don’t abuse my privileges often so feel free to delete this email unless you happen to know someone who can help.

Thanks,

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

Clean@h2opodcast.com

http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

From: gonzalez.rosa@comcast.net [mailto:gonzalez.rosa@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:19 PM
To: Joseph Puentes
Subject: Stories of Separation: Impact of Detention and Deportation on Latino Children's Attachment Representations

Hi Joseph!

I hope that this email finds you well! Unfortunately, I haven't had much time to work on my ancestry...I've been busy helping family members who have been ill and getting older. I'm writing to you with the hope that you would be open to helping me reach out to our Nuestros Ranchos group and any other group, family, and friends.

My daughter, Monique is completing her Family and Child Psychology doctorate dissertation on the impact of children who have had a primary caregiver deported or detained. She needs to find families for this very important study to share their experiences. Is it possible to ask you for your assistance in sending the information out to Nuestros Ranchos email group? Her study participants have to be living in California; however, it's important to share this study with everyone.

With her permission, I've added her intro below and I'm attaching the flyers in Spanish and English with all the details. Participants are encouraged to call her directly to ensure confidentiality. She is fluent in English and Spanish:) What do you say... would you help me spread the word? Thank you in advance!

Rosa

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My name is Monique Gonzalez and I am a fifth year doctoral student from the California School of Professional Psychology in San Francisco. I am currently living in the San Francisco Bay Area of California, applying for my post-doctoral internship. I am in the process of working on my dissertation,

entitled: Stories of Separation: Impact of Detention and Deportation on Latino Children's Attachment Representations.

The purpose of my study is to shed light on the experiences and feelings of Latino children who are separated from their primary caregiver through detention and/or deportation. I will be conducting individual interviews with children throughout California.

Citizenship or immigration status of the children are not relevant and will not be asked, and children can speak either English or Spanish (or both).

Children must:

- Be of Latino/Hispanic descent

- Be between 9 to 12 years old

- Experienced the deportation or detention (in relation to deportation) of their primary caregiver within the last three years.

- Child must be separated from their caregiver at the time of interview.

Each participating family receives a $25 Visa Gift Card, and the child receives a gift of school supplies. I have attached two flyers, one in English and another in Spanish. If you know of a family with an eligible child, please feel free to forward them the attached flyer. Interested guardians can leave me a message with their contact information and I will call them back directly. OR if preferred, the family may provide you permission to forward their information to me; I am happy to get in touch with them. This is often easier and feels more comfortable for the families.

Your participation will not need to continue beyond this point. I believe this is a much needed area of research and your support is invaluable! The study is CONFIDENTIAL and has been approved by the Institutional Review Board at CSPP-SF.

As you may all agree, this is an incredibly significant area of research that can provide families, advocates, and the psychological community a
deeper understanding of how to best support and provide culturally responsive interventions for these children. In my experience, thus far, it
truly helps when the family hears that you believe and trust in this study.

¡Muchísimas gracias!

Monique Gonzalez, M.A.

CSPP, Alliant International University San Francisco

Study Contact Info: (415) 617-9965
email LatinoChildStudy@gmail.com

En varias ocasiones leí que un obispo de la Nueva Galicia, tal vez Alonso de la Mota y Escobar, visitó la región que ahora conforman los Altos de Jalisco y describió a su población española como muchos de ellos rubios o de pelo castaño, algunos de ojos claros y muchos de piel blanca. Si alguien conoce este texto, le agradecería mucho que me proporcionara la referencia.

Mil gracias.
Alfonso Reynoso Rábago

-----Original Message-----
From: mimilozano@somosprimos.com [mailto:mimilozano@somosprimos.com]
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 8:17 PM
To: mimilozano@aol.com
Subject: December 2014 Issue of Somos Primos

http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2014/spdec14/spdec14.htm

Dear Primos and Friends:

It is hard to believe that this December issue completes 15 years of monthly Somos Primos issues online. It has been a challenge, an education, and a joy. My historical understanding of U.S. history and the Spanish global presence has grown bit by bit, primarily through the varied submissions and family histories that readers have sent.

The wide diversity of information reflects the countless range of individual histories with a Latino connection. Every individual's story is unique, each different, a piece to the puzzle of humanity.

I have taken a simple approach: if you have a Spanish surname, you have a heritage connection to Spain, where the surname originated, and that makes you happily, a possible primo. . .

Since the heritage diversity among the Spanish language speakers in the Americas is based on the 500-year colonization period of the America, I am hopeful that as we learn our history back to the colonization period, we will find many primo connections.
I am hopeful too that as we find our historical and DNA roots connections to other groups, such as the Indigenous, African, European, Asian, and Jewish communities, it will increase understanding and respect for the cultures of others.

As we embrace diversity in the United States, we will be helping to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ. His message of love will be easier to emulate as we reinforce ourselves with historic facts and apply them to our activities in the present.

May you, your family, friends, and community rejoice, honor, and adore the Lord who brought the message of love and peace for all mankind.

MERRY CHIRSTMAS and warm hugs. . . Mimi

TABLE OF CONTENTS

UNITED STATES
Congress tried to fix immigration back in 1986. Why did it fail? by
Brad Plumer
During 1986 Amnesty Implementation Process, Over-stayed VISA Holders
Went First by Mimi Lozano
Information on the New 2014 Amnesty Laws
First Annual George Washington Patriot Prayer Breakfast, November 29,
2014, in San Antonio, TX
An Idea for Your Christmas Tree
Youtubes to enhance Christmas:
Mary Did You Know? and Our Father by Andre Bochele
Hispanics in the American Revolution - 1775-1783
The Most Latino Congress Ever Is Coming in 2015 by Roque Planas,
Huffington Post
The Land is Spanish by Pablo Ricardo Quintana
Spanish Heirs win access to Energy wealth in Texas Legislature
Were Native Americans Victims of Genocide? by David Olson
Epidemics in U.S 1657-1918 Compiled by Sandy Russell
This Is a New Story We Are Writing Together By Guy Bailey
Vaquero Reflects Heritage of South Texas By Dr. Lino García, Jr.
Vaquero – A Proud Tradition By José Antonio López
Maria Elena Durazo leaving top post at L.A. County Federation of Labor
Marta Lourdes Tellado as Consumer Reports New President & CEO
A Legacy of Smoke: a documentary film by Luis Argeo and James D.
Fernández
U.S. History Trivia . . . And Did You Know . . .

HERITAGE PROJECTS
Latinos in Heritage Conservation: Launching a National Network
DNA Proves Horses Unlike Any Others on Earth
The Colonial Spanish Wilbur-Cruce Mission Horses
Honoring Col. Juan N. Seguin Burial Site, October 25, 2014
The Reenactment of the Battle of Medina
La Belle and the Alamo Connection by Dan Arellano Author/Historian
Fojas Perdidas Project
A Tour of Tijuana’s Maquiladoras in Mexico by Barbara Zaragoza
The Importance of Promoting Hispanic History by Mimi Lozano

HISTORY TIDBITS
Remembering Pearl Harbor, December 7, 1941
The History Blog
Colorization of Civil War era and early 1900’s photos
Book: When Mexicans Could Play Ball by Ignacio M. Garcia
November 2, 1779 -- Spanish diplomat dies of head injury
November 6, 1528 Castaways begin amazing journey
November 8, 1852 - The Circus come to town!

HISPANIC LEADERS
Maestro Juan Estevan Arellano, 1947-2014
Ricard Duardo, LA Master printmaker and artist, - November 12, 2014
Lorenzo Santos Luera, California State Past LULAC President
In Memoriam Tulio Halperín Dongi (1926-2014)

AMERICAN PATRIOTS
Video Mansions, Giving Thanks to those who Gave Their Lives for our
Freedom
Hero Street, book, video and documentary
Chicano POW Of Nazi Slave Camp Speaks Out
How to Trace Your U.S. Military Ancestors
Medal of honor Chaplains
2014 Las Estrellas de Tejas Reception
History of the Marine Corps by Kelsey Driscoll

EARLY LATINO PATRIOTS
Bernardo de Galvez Plaque Natchez
Galvez Program on Tenerife TV
Video on Los Galvez de Macharaviaya
Galvez Projects of Edward F. Butler, Sr.
Call to write your senators in support of Galvez
Example of letter written by José Antonio López
Your State Senators
Granaderos y Damas de Galvez, San Antonio at the Founder's Day Event
Dorothy Perez Honored by SAR

Hola Members ,I am trying to see how many Francisco de Orozcos there are cause I am getting confused.
I have a Francisco de Orozco born to a Francisco de Orozco and Magdalena Gomez de Portugal around 1645.
A Francisco de Orozco married to a Catalina de Arriola who had an Angela de Orozco marries to Juan Perez Gallo.
A Francisco de Orozco married to Ines de Villegas.
What am understanding (I think ) that Francisco was married 3 times. Magadalena Gomez de Portugal,Ines de Villegas and Catalina de Arriola. If so I don't know where Catalina de Arriola fits in. Any thoughts ?

Thank you for your time
Ronnie