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I have been stuck for years on finding the parents of my 4th great grandfather Jose Ysidro Hurtado. I knew his name from baptism records and marriage dispensation of my 3rd great grandfather Rafael Hurtado but could never find Ysidro's parents names. I checked the baptism records of all of children I could find through LDS and no luck the parents were listed but not grandparents. Yesterday I was searching LDS and found the baptism record for Yisdro's youngest daughter Josefa Petronila De Jesus Hurtado and the grandparents were listed. This find was a double bit of luck in that I found Ysidro's parents were Francisco Hurtado and Augustina De Anda. The other bit of luck was that I was able to confirm with another source the parents of Ysidro's wife Rosa Munos.
Moral of the story genealogy isn't easy but eventually it comes together.

I have been working for some time on documenting the ancestors and descendants of Victoriano Huerta. I have put my research online and have had a number of people contact me about it, including a professor at the Universidad Autónoma de Baja California who is writing a biography of Victoriano Huerta and who found a number of the documents there very useful.

http://ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I2440

I am stuck on his mother's lineage, which I am convinced comes from the Marquez de los Olivos, but I have been unable to find the parents of the earliest documented ancestor (Felipe Marquez de los Olivos who was born circa 1700 and married Francisca Xaviera Sanchez probably in Tlaltenango).

http://ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I2561

If anyone has any insights into this I would greatly appreciate them.

ESPANOL

He estado trabajando durante algún tiempo en la documentación de los antepasados y descendientes de Victoriano Huerta. He puesto mi investigación en la red y han tenido un número de personas en contacto conmigo al respecto, incluyendo un profesor de la Universidad Autónoma de Baja California que está escribiendo una biografía de Victoriano Huerta y que encontró un número de documentos muy útiles.

http://ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I2440

Estoy estancado en el linaje de su madre, quien estoy convencido proviene de la Márquez de los Olivos, pero no he podido encontrar los padres del antepasado documentado mas antiguo (Felipe Márquez de los Olivos, que nació alrededor de 1700 y se casó con Francisca Xaviera Sánchez probablemente en Tlaltenango) .

http://ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I2561

Si alguien tiene ideas sobre este tema por favor dejenme saber.

i felt like sharing this since it could give me a better idea how some of my mom's matches are related to her in the cases where i don't know how they fit in.

The 3rd meeting of the Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society will be held on April 25th in Orange, California from 11 am until 2 pm. If you'd like an informational flyer (with the location and directions), please email us at nggs@nuevagalicia.org, and we'll send it to you.

Please let us know if you expect to attend!

Rosalinda and Erika

You all have been so helpful in the past I hate to ask for a favor. I am having trouble with this Marriage Dispensation. I am trying to locate Francisco Hurtado Jimenez’ parents names. I found one of his abuelos but no luck with parents. The web page is https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18409-49962-16?cc=1874591&wc…
It starts with image 443 and goes through 454.

Thank you all in advance, I am taking Spanish classes but I am not there yet.
Randy mcNeal

In the past I had wondered about education in colonial Mexico.

I was looking through the PARS website for Testamentos (filtered for archivos de indias) and browsing each one to see if I can find any for for our region (Jalisco,Zacatecas, Aguascalientes) in Mexico.

Just out of curiosity, I ran across one that mentiones "Universidad de Mexico:

http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

Reference no. INDIFERENTE,202,N.5

http://oi58.tinypic.com/ej8y0.jpg

Hi Ronald,
I do have the Collection of books of Retoños De España... and I will be more than happy to check for you, but I am currently away from home and won't be back for more than a week. If no one else helps you by then and you don't mind waiting for me I will send you the info. then.

Silvia I Sandoval

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> Hola Members , I have looking for Tomas Gonzalez de Hermosillo who married Nicolasa Marquez (daughter of Diego Marquez de Los Olivos and Maria de La Cruz Martin del Campo)
> A member of another website states that Tomas Gonzalez de Hermosillo was also named Gonzalez-Rubio son of Diego Gonzalez-Rubio and Catarina Aceves. He states his source (which I do not own ,I can't verify) Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia-TOMO IV vol. 1 page 18 that TOMAS was brother to a Diego Gonzalez-Rubio el Mozo and the Parents were Diego Gonzalez-Rubio and Catarina Aceves . I was wondering if any one had the book and could verify ths info.
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> the record for her marriage to Calletano Franco, along with baptism records
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http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

The refrence number to look up in search: MP-MEXICO,597

I was trying to find the ospital de ciudad Mexico of 1573. But instead found this one in Guadalajara

Hola Members , I have looking for Tomas Gonzalez de Hermosillo who married Nicolasa Marquez (daughter of Diego Marquez de Los Olivos and Maria de La Cruz Martin del Campo)
A member of another website states that Tomas Gonzalez de Hermosillo was also named Gonzalez-Rubio son of Diego Gonzalez-Rubio and Catarina Aceves. He states his source (which I do not own ,I can't verify) Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia-TOMO IV vol. 1 page 18 that TOMAS was brother to a Diego Gonzalez-Rubio el Mozo and the Parents were Diego Gonzalez-Rubio and Catarina Aceves . I was wondering if any one had the book and could verify ths info.
Thank you for time
Ronnie

I'm having difficulty completely understanding this marriage record for Calletano Franco (top of left page). It's from San Juan de los Lagos, 1840. I thought it was going to be for Calletano Franco and Lugarda Martin, but I can't tell if what comes after Lugarda is a surname (doesn't appear to be capitalized) or if it means something else. It seems like there may be quite a few abbreviations.

I'm hoping someone better acquainted with the script and church language can help me decipher it. Thank you.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18573-58163-11?cc=1874591&wc…

Saw something interesting in the PARS website:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/125gfw5.jpg

On 20 of April 1649, there was an order to burn two temple idols in order to build new Valle De Huejuqulla near Tenzompa:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/125gfw5.jpg

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2ij3dk9.jpg

I looked it up here:

http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

I wish I could see in more detail but it doesn't have the blue computer symbol in order to be able to see it online.

There are several churches in Mezquitic and I believe this one is the Parroquia de San Juan Bautista:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/16gij2o.jpg

The inside:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/v7a9fc.jpg

Here is some pictures of a Priest giving mass on what looks like a top of a mountain and look at the view of the valley off in the distance? Seems more like if he is at Monte Escobedo. Because when we had traveled past there Monte Escobedo is on top of a mountain and Mezquitic is down at the valley:

http://oi58.tinypic.com/33nud6a.jpg

If you notice in this picture there are some old steps in the distance

http://oi60.tinypic.com/2ry22c6.jpg

Closer look at the old steps:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/msc3d0.jpg

I wonder how old are those steps and what was there?

i recently updated my rootsweb file and these are the bonillas of mesquitic and other nearby areas that i remembered to put on my tree

1 salvador Bonilla
+ rosa saldana
2 Francisco Tadeo Bonilla d: bef 1788
+ juana maria de san pablo trujillo b: abt 1748
3 miguel bonilla
+ guadalupe de nava
4 Candelaria Bonilla b: abt 1811
3 Trinidad Bonilla
+ marcelina escobedo
4 Fabian Bonilla
+ Francisca Arceo
+ Manuela Marquez
3 Fernando Bonilla
+ Maria Lugarda Quesada b: Oct 1746
4 jesus Bonilla
4 julian Bonilla
+ Ma Tomasa Mendoza b: 21 Dec 1804
4 jose maria Bonilla
+ josefa lopez
5 simona Bonilla
5 alejandro Bonilla
+ Filomena de santiago
4 jose manuel Bonilla b: Jul 1769
4 mariana Bonilla b: 1786
+ Marcial banuelos b: 1775
5 maria del loreto banuelos
+ Antonio George Mendoza b: 23 Apr 1813
5 rita banuelos
+ bibiano Diaz
5 Maria Gertrudis Banuelos b: 1804 d: 08 JUN 1873
5 anastacia banuelos b: 27 sep 1806
+ Juana escobedo
4 maria Josefa Bonilla
+ Jose Alejandro Quezada b: SEP 1750
5 Jose Apolinario Quesada
+ Maria Felipa De Avila
6 Maria Josefa Del Refugio quezada b: 18 Dec 1817
6 Mariana quezada
+ Jose Fernando De Aro b: 17 May 1822
7 Quirino De Aro b: 4 jun 1857
6 Gervacia Protacia Quesada b: 19 Jun 1812
6 Jose Antonio Ponseano Quesada b: 18 Nov 1815
6 Maria Polonia Quesada b: 10 Mar 1820
5 Maria Josefa De La Trinidad Quesada b: Jun 1779
+ Melchor Verumes
+ toribio acevedo
5 Maria Polonia Rosalia Quesada b: Feb 1788 d: 9 mar 1810
+ antonio acevedo b: 15 jan 1810
5 Maria Josefa Rafaela Quesada b: Jan 1790
3 catarino Bonilla
3 jose trinidad Bonilla
3 bacilio Bonilla
+ maria Valenzuela b: abt 1747
4 juan Bonilla
+ ramona banuelos
5 francisco Bonilla
+ francisca alonzo
2 manuel Bonilla
+ josefa ramirez
3 jose fernando Bonilla

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Shivis

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If anyone is willing for a challenge, here's one I am having a lot of trouble with. Francisca Rincón Ynfante moved to Rincón de Romos and married there, but her birth record is giving me grief.

Here is the link, and my attempt. I'm especially having trouble with the last third of the record. My knowledge of Spanish is limited, so that makes it harder. Any help appreciated.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-23419-32506-87?cc=1916237…

En Ciudad Victoria Tamaulipas a los 19 diez y nueve dias del mes de Mayo de 1930 siendo las 8 ocho horas ante mí Ascensión Gil Juez del Registro Civil (comprarecció??) el Señor Pablo Rincón, casada, de 26 años de edad, Empleado del citado, originario de San Nicolás Tampicas y vecino de esta Ciudad, manifestando si que el dia 11 once del presente mes a las 21-30 nació en su casa habitación, una niña viva, habida en su esposa la Señora María Ynfante de Rincón de 20 años de edad originaria de la Villa de Aldama Tampicas vecina de esta (Capital?); que la expresada Niña es su primera hija legitima y le puse el nombre María Francisca con su mismo apellido, lo cual presenta a este Juz que para su registro, son abuelos paternos Nestor Rincón y Francisca Po.? del Rincón que viven; y maternos se íqnoro el nombre del abuelo y (Micaela??/MaríaSilvestre??) Ynfante que vive: Fueron testigos los Señores (Jacinto?) (Cavalllero) y (José?) (_libertad?) Balandrano, mayores de edad y (otros?) (fuera?) le (certificar?) por que (hace?) consta puse la presente "x"de la que leí al (certificado??) y testigos, firmando de (con____?)

I was chatting with a distant relative who we both share a common ancestor "Patricio Madera (1792 - ?)" of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico.

She just told me that her uncles told her about Patricio Madera:

"patricio madera fue firmante de la adhesion al federalismo en 1824"

What is the Adhesion Al Federalismo of 1824??

The way we are related is that my great grandfather Calixto Madera (1854 - 1923) had a half brother "Gabriel Madera" She is the great grand daughter of Gabriel Madera while I am the great grandson of Calixto Madera.

Gabriel Madera is the son of Patricio Madera (1792 - ?)/Maria Tomas Munoz (passed away in 1838 at age 40.

Calixto Madera is the son of Patricio Madera (1792 - ?)/Maria Dimas De La Paz (1819 - 1885) where Patricio remarried with Maria Dimas De La Paz in 1852.

I am New at to Nuestros Ranchos and I have some pictures I would like to share. can some one please give me instructions on how I could place photos in the web site or my Album Please.
Thany You,

This picture was taken by someone who used a cuadcopter such as a Phantom Cuadcopter with camera to take pictures of Huejuquilla. How useful to find things location of things such as panteons from view from the air.

What is marked in green arrow is the Capilla of San Diego and what is marked in blue arrow is the Parroquia of San Diego:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/3v9mc.jpg

What I have marked with yellow is the mountain called, "Cerro Blanco" My Great Grandfather owned that whole mountain.

Now regarding the old panteon of Huejuquilla in the picture it would be towards the far left out of the picture. If you look at the Capilla De San Diego (pointed in green arrow). From there there is a road that goes all the way to the left end of the road. At the end of that road that is the general area where the old panteon was before they removed it. And across the street from the where the old panteon was is the "Cofradia." From there there is another road that goes up towards San Juan Capistrano passing by the left side of "Cerro Blanco" mountain in the picture.

The new panteon is in a different location.

Do any of you eat snacks or listen to music while looking through archives?

Sometimes I get the craving for some rasberry zingers and a cup of coffee to eat and drink. Puts me in a good mood then start looking through the archives and listening to my favorite music.

What are your nuestrosrnachos snacks, music and routine?

I am chatting with another person from Huejuquilla El Alto. She is a distant cousin of mine and she lives there. She is educated and also likes geneology.

She has told me that at San Antonio De Padua there is an "old panteon."

"Yo te había platicado que antiguamente enterraban a los muertos en el atrio de las iglesias o terrenos adjuntos. Como en san Antonio de padua allí está el cementerio antiguo del pueblito"

I have to keep note of the comment that she said there is a panteon antiguo at San Antonio de Padua. It must be older than the panteon of the present in Huejuquilla.

The other panteon antiguo that was at Huejuquilla (which I have mentioned and shown with photos of that location), was removed.

The old panteon of San Antonio De Padua, I need to visit it.

I just received a copy of my great grandfather Teodoro de Alba's death
certificate which lists his mother's name as "Synthia Guapalia". The
informant was his oldest son. I have always been told his mother's surname
was Gonzales, but we have no documentation of this. Could Guapalia be a
misspelling of Gonzales, or is it a real surname?

Steve Compton

I am trying to find location of old panteons of Monte Escobedo, Mezquitic or Minillas.

During the 1600's - 1720's my ancesters were in Minillas, baptized in Mezquitic.

I found the Government website of Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas, Mexico and did a "find" for "antiguo panteon" through the website and came across this:

http://www.asezac.gob.mx/pages/infoase/informes2008/monte_escobedo2008…

http://oi62.tinypic.com/29x6ott.jpg

Does say where the antiguo panteon is located.

My 7th generation great grandmother "Maria De La Candelaria Angon (1655 - 1735) her defunto recorded is recorded in Monte Escobedo, Zacatecas, Mexico:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/bj5w5g.jpg

What would help if the website give coordinates (lat/long).

A friend made me aware of this painting/system and thought I'd post it for future references in race terminology found in any documents of those times. This is what Wikipedia says:

Casta (Spanish: [ˈkasta], Portuguese: [ˈkaʃtɐ, ˈkastɐ]) is a Spanish and Portuguese term used in 17th and 18th centuries mainly in Spanish America and Spanish Philippines to describe as a whole the mixed-race people which appeared in the post-Conquest period in the process known as mestizaje. A parallel system of categorization based on the degree of acculturation to Hispanic culture, which distinguished between gente de razón (Hispanics) and gente sin razón (non-acculturated natives), concurrently existed and worked together with the idea of casta.

Here is the painting with "proper titles."

http://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pintura_de_castas#/image/Archivo:Casta_p…

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18737-10503-29?cc=1874591&wc…

i see the names felipe neri bonilla and carlos bonilla mentioned frequently, but i'm not sure how they are related.

I ran across this defunto of Maria Zaragoza Lopez of Minillas who it says that she passed away in Huejuquilla and was brought to Mezquitic por haber pagado los derechos al cura de Huejuquilla.

http://oi61.tinypic.com/2dbtmqc.jpg

Note that it says "se enterro en el Hospital en tierra"

So she was buried in a hospital? At Mezquitic or at Huejuquilla? I wonder where the hospital was back then in the year 1785

This is on page 51 of 280 Defunciones 1771 - 1819 of Mezquitic