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General Digest, Vol 107, Issue 7

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Estoy buscando informacion sobre mi antepasado Pedro de Ledesma casado con Isabel del Grado el es originario de Zamora España nacido en 1515.

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Published by RJQ – Sun, 2014-12-07 21:02 | Permalink

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Solo quiero añadir una pequeña nota, originalmente Rubio denota a una persona pelirroja, el termino actual fue el resultado de el uso incorrecto de la palabra para denotar a cualquier persona de cabello claro y también de piel rosada a través de la historia, Rubio es igual que la palabra Rubicundo y existen mas palabras asociadas las cuales en la actualidad siguen denotando el color rojo, como Rubí, Rubeola, Rubor, etc.

En documentos antiguos es difícil definir a que color realmente se refieren.

RJ Quiralta

Spanish Abbreviations Assistance

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Hello, I am trying to decipher the difference in the following abbreviations, or if they actually mean the same thing just written differently?

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Published by magicalme – Sun, 2014-12-07 19:11 | Permalink

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Ok, great! thank you. Appreciate the help!

I thought that might be it, but was not sure.

Kristine

Published by Stuart Armstrong – Wed, 2014-12-03 07:24 | Permalink

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P.P. is definitely Padrinos in many of the records I've looked at. I suspect P.nos is also padrinos, but it would be helpful to see it in context.

Incidentally, some abbreviations I've often seen mistaken or un-noticed:
7bre = Septiembre (September used to be the 7th month, when the year began in March)
Some reseachers have mistaken the 7 for an F and concluded Febrero but it really is 7bre.
8bre = Octubre
9bre = Nobiembre
M (in the margin of the record) = Mujer, often the only clear indication of gender.
H (in the margin of the record) = Hombre ... frequently seen in christening records.
Stuart Armstrong

Published by magicalme – Wed, 2014-12-03 08:04 | Permalink

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Hello Stuart, Thank you for your response. Here are the links for the three records I am looking at. All three have Bernardo Roman for the father and two have Ysavel Ortis and the last one has Ysavel Leogarda.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15048-14522-68?cc=1804458&wc… Bottom right of the page, second to the bottom for Joseph Roman-father Bernardo Roman

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15280-10707-55?cc=1804458&wc… Bottom left of the page, last entry. For Josepha Crestina Roman, father Bernardo Roman

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15048-13156-70
Bottom left hand of the page, last entry. For Joseph Bicente Roman, father Bernardo Roman.

Kristine

Published by Stuart Armstrong – Sat, 2014-12-06 09:13 | Permalink

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Yes, I'm convinced those are padrinos in all three records. The order is often important - scribes usually wrote the details in the same order each time. Also, the phrase "á quién(es) adbertí su(s) obligación(es) y parentesco espiritual" is also a clue that it's talking about the godparents and their obligations.
Stuart Armstrong

Hernandez family

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Hello my name is Ernestina Hernandez Sierra. It has been awhile since I've worked on my family tree due to serious illness in the family. Currently I am researching the Hernandez family.

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Published by Armando – Mon, 2014-09-08 09:19 | Permalink

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Your grandfather is José Ambrocio. Ambrocia is a female's name. Some men to do have names such as José María but your grandfather's baptismal record clearly has him as J. Ambrocio (José Ambrocio). https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18685-22578-52

La Ordeña is a ranch in Arandas, Jalisco which is next to San Diego de Alejandría where your grandfather was baptized. You can see a map of where it is located at http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/mapas/la-ordena-7 and it is very close to the ranch Manuel Martínez Valadez http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/mapas/manuel-martinez-valadez-agua-neg… . You can compare it with a map of Arandas that has larger ranches with small black squares and you can see the ranch Manuel Martínez Valadez in the top right close to the border of San Diego de Alejandría at http://iieg.gob.mx/contenido/GeografiaMedioAmbiente/Arandas_MBase2013.j…

La Ordeña means dairy farm but they also use it for a name in this case. Ordeñar means to extract milk and it most cases it is in reference to milking a cow.

Have you looked at all of the baptisms of the children of Juan Francisco Hernández and María Petra de la Torre? They might mention the grandparents as the padrinos in one of the baptismal records.

Unfortunately it looks like you are out of luck with finding an información matrimonial in Tepa or Arandas for Juan Francisco Hernández and María Petra de la Torre prior to April 1771 when they had their first child.

The only other option will be to find a dispensa for a great-great grandchild of Juan Francisco Hernández and María Petra de la Torre. There might be one because the following page shows Juan Francisco Hernández to be a son of Juan de Dios Hernández Gamiño Valdivia and of Juana Margarita Navarro Gaytán. A source is not cited so I don't know how reliable that information is. http://gw.geneanet.org/barbaybarba?lang=es;p=juan+francisco;n=hernandez…

Armando

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Thanks so much Armando. I was thinking maybe the DNA testing would be of help. What do you think. My family seems to have lived in other parts of Jalisco also. What do you think and what would be your recommendation for the DNA test

Tina Eley

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Hi Armando.
This is first time I have seen the last part of the name Gamino Valdivia after the Hernandez. What does this mean? Should I be using this in my research going forward? I want to thank you and Nuestros Ranchos for having such a wonderful site.

Tina Eley

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Hi Armando.
This is first time I have seen the last part of the name Gamino Valdivia after the Hernandez. What does this mean? Should I be using this in my research going forward? I want to thank you and Nuestros Ranchos for having such a wonderful site.

Tina Eley

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Thanks so much Armando. I was thinking maybe the DNA testing would be of help. What do you think. My family seems to have lived in other parts of Jalisco also. What do you think and what would be your recommendation for the DNA test

Tina Eley

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Hello Tina,

The surname Hernández Gamiño is a compound surname. The patriarch of the Hernández Gamiño line can be read about at http://historiasyrecuerdosdeencarnaciondediaz.com/macias.html#num9

Juan de Dios Hernández Gamiño Valdivia is named that way because in México it is customary to use the paternal and the maternal surname. Hernández Gamiño is his compound paternal surname and Valdivia is his maternal surname (This is called the mother's maiden name in the U.S.).

There are two people in the Nueva Galicia DNA project that belong to that line and have the same Y-DNA. If you wanted to see if one of your close male relatives with the Hernández surname matches them then yes a Y-DNA37 test will show that.

I imagine you are still going to want to find documentation for that line and you need to find all of the Hernandez dispensas at http://www.guadalajaradispensas.com/ and http://guadalajaradispensas.tumblr.com/

A Google search at the second one is the easiest way to find the Hernandez dispensas. Copy and paste the following into Google.

Hernandez site:http://guadalajaradispensas.tumblr.com/

Armando

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Hi Armando,
Thanks for you reply. There is just so much to understand about Mexican genealogy and I have a lot to learn. I am attaching the baptism record for Jose Andres Hernandez Arias which shows his parents and grandparents along with his padrinos. I question whether the Juan Francisco
Hernandez and petrona de la Torre from Arandes are the Hernandez I am looking for because all the Hernandez's I have found to be related are from the Cerro Gordo and La Ordena, near San diego de Alejandria, Jalisco.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NR58-9ZV

This is the baptism record for Andres Hernandez

thanks for all your help
Tina

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Tina,

I guess this is where you learn that many times men would move away from their birth town to marry and they would live close the family of the wife. This is also where you learn that the names of towns have changed, haciendas have become towns, and jurisdictions have changed. Most of that happened after the independence of Mexico.

The digitized image of the baptism of José Andrés is at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18562-43844-45

It shows that he was baptized in the town of Tepatitlán and born in the ranch or hacienda Cerro Gordo. It also shows that his grandparents were Juan Francisco Hernández and Petrona de la Torre. Petrona is the same as Petra.

Cerro Gordo was once part of Tepatitlán. It is now a town and it is now called San Ignacio Cerro Gordo.

Juan Francisco Hernández and Petra de la Torre baptized Juan de Dios 16 Aug 1790 in the town of Tepatitlán. He was born in San Antonio Cerro Gordo.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18574-67352-52

Juan Francisco Hernández and Petra María de la Torre were married 21 Feb 1770 in the town of Tepatitlán. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18570-64632-49

The marriage record shows that they were both from San Antonio Cerro Gordo.

The parents of Juan Francisco Hernández were Juan de Dios Hernández and Margarita Navarro.

Juan de Dios Hernández and Margarita Navarro were married 10 Jan 1741. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18570-64935-29

The marriage record states that Juan de Dios Hernández was from the jurisdiction of Michoacán. His parents were Joseph Hernández Gamiño and María Valdivia. Juan de Dios Hernández and Margarita Navarro had a dispensa de consanguinidad de 3o con 4o grado. That means that the parent of one of them was the second cousin of the other person.

Juan de Dios Hernández Valdivia was baptized 10 May 1716 in Atotonilco el Alto

Joseph Hernández Gamiño and María Valdivia were married 26 May 1704 in Tepatitlán.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18575-46970-41

The parents of Joseph Hernández Gamiño were Cristóbal Hernández Gamiño and María de Velasco.

Cristóbal Hernández Gamiño and María de Velasco were married 23 Feb 1653 in León, Guanajuato. León was at one time part of the jurisdiction of Michoacán.

Cristóbal Hernández Gamiño was the son of Domingo Hernández Gamiño and Juana Gómez de Espejo

Your Hernández line is the Hernández Gamiño line. I also descend from Cristóbal Hernández Gamiño and María de Velasco.

Saludos,
Armando

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Hi Armando
Holy moly!! I searched and searched for Juan Francisco and Petra's marriage record to no avail. So thank you very much. Do you know of any stories related to this family. I did see a note that they were notorious for marrying within the family.

I saw on the one site you sent me that Cristobal Hernandez Gamino was born in Caceres Extramadura, Spain. It is ironic because I had just finished reading and article on this area in the AAA magazine.

Armando, is there a place that I can go to so that I can learn more about mexican geanology so that I can become more proficient in my research???
Tina Eley

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Tina,

All of the Spanish families would marry relatives in order to marry another person with Spanish ancestry. This allowed them to maintain a higher status in society than being a mestizo. Since there was a limited number of Spanish families to marry they ended up marrying second and third cousins sometimes. Out of the marriage records I provided you only one of them mentioned marrying a 2nd cousin once removed.

It was Domingo Hernández Gamiño that was born in Trujillo, Cáceres, Extremadura. It was not Cristóbal Hernández Gamiño. I had given you the site that states it. http://historiasyrecuerdosdeencarnaciondediaz.com/macias.html#num9

About 60% of our ancestors were born in Extremadura or Andalucía based on records of immigration and declarations by our ancestors. The Hernandez Gamiño line is positive for the western European markers P312 and L21.

This is the best place to learn about Mexican genealogy, especially for your ancestors. Most site will talk about something other than Jalisco. Post questions when you have them.

You could also try and find copies of Retoños de España at a university by using www.worldcat.org

Armando

Mendozas from 1700's San Luis Potosi

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I was wondering if anyone might be able to assist me in continuing my research into the Mendoza family surname.

upload
Salvador Mendoza marries Bruna gamez 27 May 1812.jpg (1.45 MB)

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Published by jrefugioghermosillo – Sun, 2014-12-07 14:52 | Permalink

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Hi David,

I did a quick search on FamilySearch, I haven’t pulled any of the records, but here’s some little leads that might help you.

Juan Nicolas Mendoza was married to Maria Dorotea Serda, aka Maria Dorotea de Oballe (Ovalle). I haven't found their marriage nor parents, but I found baptism records for 6 possible children, between the years 1802 and 1819, in San Geronimo.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMH6-WGM
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLVZ-R85
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLV7-BYX
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMHD-SXN
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMHD-SXK
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NK71-D3R

You'll want to pull these records and check ranchos & padrinos.

Keep running searches using both "Maria Dorotea de la Serda" and "Maria Dorotea de Oballe." A prominent surname in Nueva Galicia is "Lopez de la Serda," so you might want to try running searches giving her the surname "Lopez."

Maria Bruna Gamez’s parents were Jose Simon Gamez and Maria Josefa de Ovalle. I found baptisms for a possible 7 children born between 1794 and 1815 in San Geronimo. Simon Gamez and Maria Josefa Ovalle appear with different combinations of names (Antonio Simon, Maria Simona, Maria de la Encarnacion) - these might not all be the same couple, but again, check the ranchos and the padrinos.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLVD-KKM
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLV8-12Q
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JSCD-WZK
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLV7-1LK
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLV7-1GQ
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLV7-VRP
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLV7-24G

I'm surprised Salvador and Maria Bruna didn't require a dispensa, both having "Ovalle" in their lines. I've been digging through my lines in Morelia, Tlazazalca and Patzcuaro, Michoacan, and "Serda," "Mendoza" and "Ovalle" all appear frequently in the 1600s. Might be a good place to check next, once the trail runs dry in San Geronimo.

Hope that helps, and Happy Holidays!

Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jrefugioghermosillo

General Digest, Vol 107, Issue 5

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Hola Primo Armando, gracias por la informacion, lo de mi ADN fue hecho hace
varios anos, desde cuando empezaron al publico.

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Published by Armando – Sat, 2014-12-06 15:45 | Permalink

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Hola Raul,

Las tres compañías principales que hacen análisis de ADN han actualizado
los resultados de todos los participantes en los últimos dos años. Si te
hiciste el análisis con una de esas compañías deberías volver a ver tus
resultados porque estoy casi 100% seguro que ya no te tienen con 80% de ADN
de Escandinavia y Alemania. Si no te has hecho una prueba con una de esas
compañías la deberías hacer para que veas resultados validos y no los
resultados erróneos que nos estas proporcionando.

La razón que hacen las pruebas diferente hoy comparado con antes es que
antes estaban totalmente equivocados en ciertas cosas y se dieron cuenta de
su error. Por eso tuvieron que actualizar los resultados de todos los
participantes en las tres compañías.

Por favor enséñame los estudios que tienen las cifras de 48% ADN Alemán
entre los mexicanos. Yo no he visto esos estudios y te podré comprobar que
no son estudios validos en caso que realmente dicen eso.

Si sabia la historia de los visigodos y que fueron una pequeña porción de
los grupos étnicos que han migrado a España. No fueron bastantes para que
afectaran tanto el ADN de los españoles. Y eso se nota con los resultados
actualizados en FTDNA, 23andme, y AncestryDNA.

Saludos,
Armando

2014-12-05 19:51 GMT-06:00 Raul Padilla :

> Hola Primo Armando, gracias por la informacion, lo de mi ADN fue hecho hace
> varios anos, desde cuando empezaron al publico. En lo que me equivoque fue
> en la traduccion del Ingles al Espanol de Scandinavian/German a
> "Sueco-Aleman" actualmente debe ser "Escandinavo-Aleman". Los Visigodos
> son originarios del sur de lo que hoy es Suecia (todavia existe la ciudad
> de Goteburg), despues de ayudarle al Imperio Romano se les dieron terrenos
> que hoy vienen siendo parte de la peninsula de Iberia, o sea Espana y
> Portugal. De por ahi vinieron a Las Americas como Espanoles (y
> Portugueses). La prueba de ADN que hice me puso a 80% Escandinavo-Aleman,
> 12% Mediterraneo, 4% Celtico y 4% de Siberia-Nativo Americano. Estudiando
> mi linea Padilla de Avila y Reynoso he encontrado antepasados Sefarditos,
> Vascos y de partes que hoy son de Italia. El punto de esta comunicacion es
> que la gran mayoria de lo blanco en nuestros razgos son sencillamente de
> Espana. De lo Celtico ha salido mucho en los Gallegos, tambien, son de
> Espana. De las cifras de 48% ADN Aleman se ha verificado en varios
> estudios, unos que se han visto aqui en Nuestros Ranchos. Lo de lo Nativo
> en Mexico de 32% salio de los estudios modernos donde intentan identificar
> los grupos etnicos de los Nativos. Creo que la confusion viene de como
> hacen las pruebas hoy comparado a antes. Un primo hermano Gonzalez-Reynoso
> acaba de tomar la prueba de ADN y no dice nada de lo Aleman, solo dice que
> 72% de Espana/Portugal, 6% Nativo, 2% Sefardito y 1% Africano (lo de mas no
> me acuerdo). Creo que lo que nos confunde es lo que se llama el "Snapshot"
> en Ingles, o sea, que tanto al pasado se estan haciendo las comparaciones.
> Disculpa tanta palabra, solo queria decirles a mis Primos que la gran
> mayoria de lo blanco viene de Espana, pero vinieron de otros lados antes de
> ser Espanoles. Diosito los Cuide! Raul
>
> 2014-12-05 16:02 GMT-08:00 :
>
>

Aygre

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A death record (1798) says an infant died of "Aygre". What is that? Same as Aigre? What does it mean? The only two definitions I've found don't help me much. One is "Flujo impetuoso del mar".

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Published by victorianonavarro (not verified) – Wed, 2014-12-03 15:25 | Permalink

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Aigre is an old way of saying aire, air. "Darle a alguien un aire" (le dio un aire, me dio un aire, etc.) means that someone gets sick for being hit by cold air outside after being warm inside the house (like going out after taking a warm shower). I've heard it in the context of getting part of the face temporarily paralyzed. According to the RAE dictionary, the expression means to get a paralysis attack.
http://lema.rae.es/drae/?val=aire
Aire means air or wind.
Victoriano Navarro

Published by Stuart Armstrong – Thu, 2014-12-04 18:55 | Permalink

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Interesting input. Thank you. The death happened to an infant of 19 months in April. Someone else I know thought it meant air as in bloating or gas - from severe indigestion. It is hard to imagine what they were thinking in those days, as they described what to them was perfectly understood. Any other ideas?

Stuart Armstrong

Stories of Separation: Impact of Detention and Deportation on Latino Children's Attachment Representations

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This is not about genealogy but I wanted to help spread the word about this project that Rosa’s daughter is working on.

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Published by jesscast1212 – Tue, 2014-12-02 14:45 | Permalink

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I would suggest she contact the migrant education program in California.  They work directly with many students across the state and might be able to put her in contact with families who have been affected by this type of situation. She can Google them and find their info. It is a national program.

Good luck!

Jessica

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------From: Joseph Puentes Date:12/02/2014 3:23 PM (GMT-06:00) To: general@nuestrosranchos.org Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Stories of Separation: Impact of Detention and
Deportation on Latino Children's Attachment Representations
This is not about genealogy but I wanted to help spread the word about this project that Rosa’s daughter is working on. You all know I don’t abuse my privileges often so feel free to delete this email unless you happen to know someone who can help.

Thanks,

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

Clean@h2opodcast.com

http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

From: gonzalez.rosa@comcast.net [mailto:gonzalez.rosa@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:19 PM
To: Joseph Puentes
Subject: Stories of Separation: Impact of Detention and Deportation on Latino Children's Attachment Representations

Hi Joseph!

I hope that this email finds you well! Unfortunately, I haven't had much time to work on my ancestry...I've been busy helping family members who have been ill and getting older. I'm writing to you with the hope that you would be open to helping me reach out to our Nuestros Ranchos group and any other group, family, and friends.

My daughter, Monique is completing her Family and Child Psychology doctorate dissertation on the impact of children who have had a primary caregiver deported or detained. She needs to find families for this very important study to share their experiences. Is it possible to ask you for your assistance in sending the information out to Nuestros Ranchos email group? Her study participants have to be living in California; however, it's important to share this study with everyone.

With her permission, I've added her intro below and I'm attaching the flyers in Spanish and English with all the details. Participants are encouraged to call her directly to ensure confidentiality. She is fluent in English and Spanish:) What do you say... would you help me spread the word? Thank you in advance!

Rosa

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-

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My name is Monique Gonzalez and I am a fifth year doctoral student from the California School of Professional Psychology in San Francisco. I am currently living in the San Francisco Bay Area of California, applying for my post-doctoral internship. I am in the process of working on my dissertation,

entitled: Stories of Separation: Impact of Detention and Deportation on Latino Children's Attachment Representations.

The purpose of my study is to shed light on the experiences and feelings of Latino children who are separated from their primary caregiver through detention and/or deportation. I will be conducting individual interviews with children throughout California.

Citizenship or immigration status of the children are not relevant and will not be asked, and children can speak either English or Spanish (or both).

Children must:

- Be of Latino/Hispanic descent

- Be between 9 to 12 years old

- Experienced the deportation or detention (in relation to deportation) of their primary caregiver within the last three years.

- Child must be separated from their caregiver at the time of interview.

Each participating family receives a $25 Visa Gift Card, and the child receives a gift of school supplies. I have attached two flyers, one in English and another in Spanish. If you know of a family with an eligible child, please feel free to forward them the attached flyer. Interested guardians can leave me a message with their contact information and I will call them back directly. OR if preferred, the family may provide you permission to forward their information to me; I am happy to get in touch with them. This is often easier and feels more comfortable for the families.

Your participation will not need to continue beyond this point. I believe this is a much needed area of research and your support is invaluable! The study is CONFIDENTIAL and has been approved by the Institutional Review Board at CSPP-SF.

As you may all agree, this is an incredibly significant area of research that can provide families, advocates, and the psychological community a
deeper understanding of how to best support and provide culturally responsive interventions for these children. In my experience, thus far, it
truly helps when the family hears that you believe and trust in this study.

¡Muchísimas gracias!

Monique Gonzalez, M.A.

CSPP, Alliant International University San Francisco

Study Contact Info: (415) 617-9965
email LatinoChildStudy@gmail.com

Published by longsjourney – Tue, 2014-12-02 14:30 | Permalink

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what a wonderful project to share and help get the stories needed. I wish I knew someone who could do this.Linda Castanon-Long

From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 1:23 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Stories of Separation: Impact of Detention and Deportation on Latino Children's Attachment Representations

This is not about genealogy but I wanted to help spread the word about this project that Rosa’s daughter is working on. You all know I don’t abuse my privileges often so feel free to delete this email unless you happen to know someone who can help.

Thanks,

Joseph

Joseph Puentes

Clean@h2opodcast.com

http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html

From: gonzalez.rosa@comcast.net [mailto:gonzalez.rosa@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 12:19 PM
To: Joseph Puentes
Subject: Stories of Separation: Impact of Detention and Deportation on Latino Children's Attachment Representations

Hi Joseph!

I hope that this email finds you well!  Unfortunately, I haven't had much time to work on my ancestry...I've been busy helping family members who have been ill and getting older. I'm writing to you with the hope that you would be open to helping me reach out to our Nuestros Ranchos group and any other group, family, and friends. 

My daughter, Monique is completing her Family and Child Psychology doctorate dissertation on the impact of children who have had a primary caregiver deported or detained.  She needs to find families for this very important study to share their experiences.  Is it possible to ask you for your assistance in sending the information out to Nuestros Ranchos email group?  Her study participants have to be living in California; however, it's important to share this study with everyone.

With her permission, I've added her intro below and I'm attaching the flyers in Spanish and English with all the details.  Participants are encouraged to call her directly to ensure confidentiality.  She is fluent in English and Spanish:)  What do you say... would you help me spread the word?  Thank you in advance!

Rosa

-

-

-

My name is Monique Gonzalez and I am a fifth year doctoral student from the California School of Professional Psychology in San Francisco. I am currently living in the San Francisco Bay Area of California, applying for my post-doctoral internship.  I am in the process of working on my dissertation,

entitled: Stories of Separation: Impact of Detention and Deportation on Latino Children's Attachment Representations.   

The purpose of my study is to shed light on the experiences and feelings of Latino children who are separated from their primary caregiver through detention and/or deportation.  I will be conducting individual interviews with children throughout California. 

Citizenship or immigration status of the children are not relevant and will not be asked, and children can speak either English or Spanish (or both).

Children must:

-      Be of Latino/Hispanic descent

-      Be between 9 to 12 years old

-      Experienced the deportation or detention (in relation to deportation) of their primary caregiver within the last three years.

-      Child must be separated from their caregiver at the time of interview. 

Each participating family receives a $25 Visa Gift Card, and the child receives a gift of school supplies. I have attached two flyers, one in English and another in Spanish.  If you know of a family with an eligible child, please feel free to forward them the attached flyer. Interested guardians can leave me a message with their contact information and I will call them back directly.  OR if preferred, the family may provide you permission to forward their information to me; I am happy to get in touch with them. This is often easier and feels more comfortable for the families.

Your participation will not need to continue beyond this point.  I believe this is a much needed area of research and your support is invaluable!  The study is CONFIDENTIAL and has been approved by the Institutional Review Board at CSPP-SF.

As you may all agree, this is an incredibly significant area of research that can provide families, advocates, and the psychological community a
deeper understanding of how to best support and provide culturally responsive interventions for these children. In my experience, thus far, it
truly helps when the family hears that you believe and trust in this study.

¡Muchísimas gracias!

Monique Gonzalez, M.A.

CSPP, Alliant International University San Francisco

Study Contact Info:  (415) 617-9965
email LatinoChildStudy@gmail.com

Diego Ruiz-Nunes and Catalina or Luisa Catalinia Delgadillo

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I've advanced my Ruiz line to Diego Ruiz-Nunes, md to Luisa or Catalina
Delgadillo, by way of their son, also Diego Ruz-Nunes and his wife, Anna
Gonzalez de Hermosillo, natural daughter of Pedro Gut

Comments

Published by duranruizmartinez – Thu, 2013-10-24 21:22 | Permalink

Comment

Raquel,

Do you have the following in your Ruiz Family Tree:

Eduardo Ruiz married Anastacia Hinojosa

Children:
Martin Ruiz (b.around 1872) married Gregoria Valdez (b. around 1888)
Hipolito Ruiz
Marcial Ruiz
Victor Ruiz
Aleja Ruiz

Martin Ruiz (my maternal great grandfather) Children:
Petra
Sebastiana b. 1914 (my maternal grandmother)
Jose Bernave
Todocia b. 29 May 1921
Rufina
Crecensia
Francisco

Thanks,
Rosalva

Published by RaquelRuiz – Sun, 2014-11-30 14:55 | Permalink

Comment

Rosalva, Sorry, I just saw this posting. I do not have these Ruizes, so I don't think they are in my direct line. I note cousins when they come up but don't actively look for them.

Raquel

Published by Peredo – Mon, 2013-10-21 19:05 | Permalink

Comment

Carlos Peredo

Hello Raquel,

I haven´t researched Diego Ruíz Núñez but I have a guess that he may be a son of Pedro Ruíz de Velasco y Haro Navarrete born ca 1588 in Ayamonte, Spain and Anna Núñez Bohórquez also from Ayamonte, this couple married around 1615 and had the following documented children:

Pedro Ruíz de Haro y Velasco Navarrete b20-nov-1618 in Mexico City

Mencía Ruíz de Velasco y Haro born around 1630, she married Diego Hernández Gamiño y Gómez de Espejo circa 1650 (probably in León, Gto or Aguascalientes)

María Ruíz de Velasco Núñez who married Cristóbal Hernández Gamiño in León, Gto in 1653

Chronology fits very well because Diego Ruíz Núñez must have been born around 1620, marry Catalina Delgadillo around 1645 and then their son Diego Ruíz Núñez II could have been born around 1650 and marry Ana González de Hermosillo around 1675, so their first son Blas was baptized on feb, 6th 1676.
I think we will know soon if this hipothesis is correct or not.

Carlos A. Peredo

Comment

Carlos, I'm embarrassed to day that I just saw your email, a year late. I have not had the time to do much genealogy research, but I'm trying to get back to it. I will keep my eye out a connection with Pedro Ruiz de Velascdo y Haro Navarrete and Anna Nunez Bohorquez. A very belated thank you.

Raquel

Pruebas de ADN

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Hola a todos,

Comments

Published by Armando – Sat, 2014-11-29 17:15 | Permalink

Comment

Hola Enrique,

Que bueno que se te esta interesando esto. Los de The Genographic Project
no pueden enviar un kit de ADN a México. Solo FamilyTreeDNA tiene la
posibilidad de enviar un kit a México que consiste de dos hisopos. Los kits
de las otras compañías consiste de tubos de colección en que se tiene que
escupir y se me hace que es por eso que no se pueden enviar a México.

En ciertas cosas The Genographic Project es mejor aún casi cualquier
resultado que hubieras podido obtener con esa prueba podrás obtener con las
varias pruebas de FamilyTreeDNA. A la vez hay resultados que se pueden
obtener con FamilyTreeDNA que no se puede obtener con The Genographic
Project. Eso aunque es el mismo laboratorio en Houston mantenido por
FamilyTreeDNA.

Hay un descuento en las pruebas de FamilyTreeDNA hasta el 31 de diciembre y
hay cupones que te podré conseguir para que te salga todavía mas barata las
pruebas. Tengo un cupón de $25 que expira mañana.

La prueba del ADN autosómico se llama Family Finder y esa prueba se puede
conocer con mejor precisión el origen étnico del ADN que has heredado de
todos tus ancestros. No se hereda todo el ADN de todos los antepasados pero
si se hereda una parte de casi todos en las ultimas cinco generaciones y de
varios de las ultimas quince generaciones. Hay una porción que se hereda de
generaciones muchas mas remotos. Esa prueba también te dará una lista de
personas que coinciden contigo en el ADN autosómico.The Genographic Project
no da esa lista y no se pueden subir los resultados a Gedmatch.

La prueba de la cromosoma Y se trata estrictamente de la linea paterna. Esa
prueba te dirá a cual haplogrupo perteneces, cuales son las mutaciones de
los marcadores STR en el ADN-Y, y también te dará una lista de personas que
coinciden contigo en los marcadores STR. The Genographic Project no hace la
prueba de marcadores STR ni de personas que coinciden con uno.

La prueba del ADNmt se trata estrictamente de la linea materna. Te dará la
lista de mutaciones del ADNmt y aparte una lista de personas que coinciden
contigo. Es la prueba mas limitada de todas por la razón que se tarda mas
en mutarse.

Hace un año había empezado un blog en español, que nunca actualicé, que se
trata de esto. La dirección es https://adnygenealogia.wordpress.com/

Yo envié un kit a México a un tío hace dos años en Navidad y se tardó un
mes para que llegara a su casa en Guadalajara. Otros parientes retirados
han recibido un kit dentro de dos semanas. Aquí en EEUU se tarda una semana
para llegar. El reenvío a EEUU tarda lo mismo para que llegue. Una prima y
yo acabamos de comprar kits para su mamá y un tío de nosotros que viven en
Jalisco.

Envíame un correo si quieres el cupón. Va a ver mas cupones la semana que
entra pero no se si vaya a ver de $25.

Saludos,
Armando

2014-11-29 16:55 GMT-06:00 :

> Hola a todos,
> Me ha interesado mucho uno de los temas que se han tocado últimamente en
> el foro y es el de las pruebas de ADN para conocer con mejor precisión el
> origen étnico de nuestros antepasados. Ya que estudio Medicina conozco bien
> el fundamento de estas pruebas por lo que mis dudas van en relación a lo
> siguiente:
>
> Estuve leyendo que las principales compañías que realizan estas pruebas
> son FamilyTreeDNA y National Geographic a través de The Genographic
> Project, y por lo que ví me convence más la segunda opción. Sin embargo, me
> gustaría saber, ¿Cuál ha sido su experiencia con las dos organizaciones en
> caso de que ya se hayan realizado estas pruebas?
>
> Segundo, si vivo en México es posible realizar todo el procedimiento de
> envío y reenvío del kit con las muestras? Alguien de ustedes que viva en
> México ha podido hacerlo?
>
> De antemano les agradezco sus respuestas.
>
> Enrique Agraz

Comment

Armando,

I can't understand Spanish very well, but what I can understand of your message below is that the FTDNA and Nat Geo results are different, but I thought that since both groups use the same lab, that you could instruct one or the other to share your DNA in order to get the results, no? You have to give your permission to share your DNA with other groups so they can run their tests for the other group.

I feel sad that I can't take advantage even of the discount for advanced tests since our disposable income for December was used up yesterday in furnace repairs that we need due to our snow and 20 degree weather.

From time to time I do get a notice from FTDNA that they have another match for me, but I find the website hard to maneuver, so I will have to ask the manager of my account to investigate for me. So far, they have been people who live in New Mexico where my mother's ancestors have lived for hundreds of years since our haplogroup is C, Native American, Pre-Columbian (my mtDNA). I have only signed up for the basic mtDNA. I feel sad that I have not found a person to test for my father (he is deceased, no male siblings for me or my father, and no other known male relations of his). I keep looking for his surname (Olague) on the lists of people testing. I was told by someone in Mexico that all Olague descend from three brothers from Zacatecas who were in the Onate party.

Another interest I have in DNA is medical, since I had to have a kidney transplant and yet no one in my family history had ever had failed kidneys. What several female members of our family have in common are breast and ovarian cancers. I heard that testing for genetic strains so far gives false results. Still our family history has made us aware to encourage our younger females to have mammograms and PAP tests regularly.

Thanks again for all the info,

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 18:04:28 -0600
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pruebas de ADN
>
> Hola Enrique,
>
> Que bueno que se te esta interesando esto. Los de The Genographic Project
> no pueden enviar un kit de ADN a México. Solo FamilyTreeDNA tiene la
> posibilidad de enviar un kit a México que consiste de dos hisopos. Los kits
> de las otras compañías consiste de tubos de colección en que se tiene que
> escupir y se me hace que es por eso que no se pueden enviar a México.
>
> En ciertas cosas The Genographic Project es mejor aún casi cualquier
> resultado que hubieras podido obtener con esa prueba podrás obtener con las
> varias pruebas de FamilyTreeDNA. A la vez hay resultados que se pueden
> obtener con FamilyTreeDNA que no se puede obtener con The Genographic
> Project. Eso aunque es el mismo laboratorio en Houston mantenido por
> FamilyTreeDNA.
>
> Hay un descuento en las pruebas de FamilyTreeDNA hasta el 31 de diciembre y
> hay cupones que te podré conseguir para que te salga todavía mas barata las
> pruebas. Tengo un cupón de $25 que expira mañana.
>
> La prueba del ADN autosómico se llama Family Finder y esa prueba se puede
> conocer con mejor precisión el origen étnico del ADN que has heredado de
> todos tus ancestros. No se hereda todo el ADN de todos los antepasados pero
> si se hereda una parte de casi todos en las ultimas cinco generaciones y de
> varios de las ultimas quince generaciones. Hay una porción que se hereda de
> generaciones muchas mas remotos. Esa prueba también te dará una lista de
> personas que coinciden contigo en el ADN autosómico.The Genographic Project
> no da esa lista y no se pueden subir los resultados a Gedmatch.
>
> La prueba de la cromosoma Y se trata estrictamente de la linea paterna. Esa
> prueba te dirá a cual haplogrupo perteneces, cuales son las mutaciones de
> los marcadores STR en el ADN-Y, y también te dará una lista de personas que
> coinciden contigo en los marcadores STR. The Genographic Project no hace la
> prueba de marcadores STR ni de personas que coinciden con uno.
>
> La prueba del ADNmt se trata estrictamente de la linea materna. Te dará la
> lista de mutaciones del ADNmt y aparte una lista de personas que coinciden
> contigo. Es la prueba mas limitada de todas por la razón que se tarda mas
> en mutarse.
>
> Hace un año había empezado un blog en español, que nunca actualicé, que se
> trata de esto. La dirección es https://adnygenealogia.wordpress.com/
>
> Yo envié un kit a México a un tío hace dos años en Navidad y se tardó un
> mes para que llegara a su casa en Guadalajara. Otros parientes retirados
> han recibido un kit dentro de dos semanas. Aquí en EEUU se tarda una semana
> para llegar. El reenvío a EEUU tarda lo mismo para que llegue. Una prima y
> yo acabamos de comprar kits para su mamá y un tío de nosotros que viven en
> Jalisco.
>
> Envíame un correo si quieres el cupón. Va a ver mas cupones la semana que
> entra pero no se si vaya a ver de $25.
>
> Saludos,
> Armando
>
>
> 2014-11-29 16:55 GMT-06:00 :
>
> > Hola a todos,
> > Me ha interesado mucho uno de los temas que se han tocado últimamente en
> > el foro y es el de las pruebas de ADN para conocer con mejor precisión el
> > origen étnico de nuestros antepasados. Ya que estudio Medicina conozco bien
> > el fundamento de estas pruebas por lo que mis dudas van en relación a lo
> > siguiente:
> >
> > Estuve leyendo que las principales compañías que realizan estas pruebas
> > son FamilyTreeDNA y National Geographic a través de The Genographic
> > Project, y por lo que ví me convence más la segunda opción. Sin embargo, me
> > gustaría saber, ¿Cuál ha sido su experiencia con las dos organizaciones en
> > caso de que ya se hayan realizado estas pruebas?
> >
> > Segundo, si vivo en México es posible realizar todo el procedimiento de
> > envío y reenvío del kit con las muestras? Alguien de ustedes que viva en
> > México ha podido hacerlo?
> >
> > De antemano les agradezco sus respuestas.
> >
> > Enrique Agraz
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

Comment

Emilie,

FTDNA and Nat Geo results are different due to several factors. One is that
they use fewer SNP markers for the autosomal DNA. Another is that they
don't use STR markers for the Y-DNA. I'm not sure of the specifics for the
mtDNA. None of the Nat Geo tests allows for finding matches even after a
kit is transferred. When the Geno 2.0 results are transferred to
FamilyTreeDNA the Y-DNA SNPs haplogroup and the mtDNA haplogroup are
transferred. To find matches on the Y-DNA, autosomal DNA or mtDNA those
services have to be purchased separately but they get the DNA from the Geno
2.0 sample and reprocess it.

I understand your situation with the disposable income being used up for
home repairs. It happens to us all at different points in our life. Maybe
next year when there is another sale.

DNA testing still hasn't become very popular in Mexico like it is here.
Maybe in a few more years it becomes more popular and an Olague shows up.

Armando

2014-11-29 18:42 GMT-06:00 Emilie Garcia :

> Armando,
>
> I can't understand Spanish very well, but what I can understand of your
> message below is that the FTDNA and Nat Geo results are different, but I
> thought that since both groups use the same lab, that you could instruct
> one or the other to share your DNA in order to get the results, no? You
> have to give your permission to share your DNA with other groups so they
> can run their tests for the other group.
>
> I feel sad that I can't take advantage even of the discount for advanced
> tests since our disposable income for December was used up yesterday in
> furnace repairs that we need due to our snow and 20 degree weather.
>
> From time to time I do get a notice from FTDNA that they have another
> match for me, but I find the website hard to maneuver, so I will have to
> ask the manager of my account to investigate for me. So far, they have
> been people who live in New Mexico where my mother's ancestors have lived
> for hundreds of years since our haplogroup is C, Native American,
> Pre-Columbian (my mtDNA). I have only signed up for the basic mtDNA. I
> feel sad that I have not found a person to test for my father (he is
> deceased, no male siblings for me or my father, and no other known male
> relations of his). I keep looking for his surname (Olague) on the lists of
> people testing. I was told by someone in Mexico that all Olague descend
> from three brothers from Zacatecas who were in the Onate party.
>
> Another interest I have in DNA is medical, since I had to have a kidney
> transplant and yet no one in my family history had ever had failed
> kidneys. What several female members of our family have in common are
> breast and ovarian cancers. I heard that testing for genetic strains so
> far gives false results. Still our family history has made us aware to
> encourage our younger females to have mammograms and PAP tests regularly.
>
> Thanks again for all the info,
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 18:04:28 -0600
> > From: fandemma@gmail.com
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Pruebas de ADN
> >
> > Hola Enrique,
> >
> > Que bueno que se te esta interesando esto. Los de The Genographic Project
> > no pueden enviar un kit de ADN a México. Solo FamilyTreeDNA tiene la
> > posibilidad de enviar un kit a México que consiste de dos hisopos. Los
> kits
> > de las otras compañías consiste de tubos de colección en que se tiene que
> > escupir y se me hace que es por eso que no se pueden enviar a México.
> >
> > En ciertas cosas The Genographic Project es mejor aún casi cualquier
> > resultado que hubieras podido obtener con esa prueba podrás obtener con
> las
> > varias pruebas de FamilyTreeDNA. A la vez hay resultados que se pueden
> > obtener con FamilyTreeDNA que no se puede obtener con The Genographic
> > Project. Eso aunque es el mismo laboratorio en Houston mantenido por
> > FamilyTreeDNA.
> >
> > Hay un descuento en las pruebas de FamilyTreeDNA hasta el 31 de
> diciembre y
> > hay cupones que te podré conseguir para que te salga todavía mas barata
> las
> > pruebas. Tengo un cupón de $25 que expira mañana.
> >
> > La prueba del ADN autosómico se llama Family Finder y esa prueba se puede
> > conocer con mejor precisión el origen étnico del ADN que has heredado de
> > todos tus ancestros. No se hereda todo el ADN de todos los antepasados
> pero
> > si se hereda una parte de casi todos en las ultimas cinco generaciones y
> de
> > varios de las ultimas quince generaciones. Hay una porción que se hereda
> de
> > generaciones muchas mas remotos. Esa prueba también te dará una lista de
> > personas que coinciden contigo en el ADN autosómico.The Genographic
> Project
> > no da esa lista y no se pueden subir los resultados a Gedmatch.
> >
> > La prueba de la cromosoma Y se trata estrictamente de la linea paterna.
> Esa
> > prueba te dirá a cual haplogrupo perteneces, cuales son las mutaciones de
> > los marcadores STR en el ADN-Y, y también te dará una lista de personas
> que
> > coinciden contigo en los marcadores STR. The Genographic Project no hace
> la
> > prueba de marcadores STR ni de personas que coinciden con uno.
> >
> > La prueba del ADNmt se trata estrictamente de la linea materna. Te dará
> la
> > lista de mutaciones del ADNmt y aparte una lista de personas que
> coinciden
> > contigo. Es la prueba mas limitada de todas por la razón que se tarda mas
> > en mutarse.
> >
> > Hace un año había empezado un blog en español, que nunca actualicé, que
> se
> > trata de esto. La dirección es https://adnygenealogia.wordpress.com/
> >
> > Yo envié un kit a México a un tío hace dos años en Navidad y se tardó un
> > mes para que llegara a su casa en Guadalajara. Otros parientes retirados
> > han recibido un kit dentro de dos semanas. Aquí en EEUU se tarda una
> semana
> > para llegar. El reenvío a EEUU tarda lo mismo para que llegue. Una prima
> y
> > yo acabamos de comprar kits para su mamá y un tío de nosotros que viven
> en
> > Jalisco.
> >
> > Envíame un correo si quieres el cupón. Va a ver mas cupones la semana que
> > entra pero no se si vaya a ver de $25.
> >
> > Saludos,
> > Armando
> >
> >
> > 2014-11-29 16:55 GMT-06:00 :
> >
> > > Hola a todos,
> > > Me ha interesado mucho uno de los temas que se han tocado últimamente
> en
> > > el foro y es el de las pruebas de ADN para conocer con mejor precisión
> el
> > > origen étnico de nuestros antepasados. Ya que estudio Medicina conozco
> bien
> > > el fundamento de estas pruebas por lo que mis dudas van en relación a
> lo
> > > siguiente:
> > >
> > > Estuve leyendo que las principales compañías que realizan estas pruebas
> > > son FamilyTreeDNA y National Geographic a través de The Genographic
> > > Project, y por lo que ví me convence más la segunda opción. Sin
> embargo, me
> > > gustaría saber, ¿Cuál ha sido su experiencia con las dos
> organizaciones en
> > > caso de que ya se hayan realizado estas pruebas?
> > >
> > > Segundo, si vivo en México es posible realizar todo el procedimiento de
> > > envío y reenvío del kit con las muestras? Alguien de ustedes que viva
> en
> > > México ha podido hacerlo?
> > >
> > > De antemano les agradezco sus respuestas.
> > >
> > > Enrique Agraz
> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> > >
> > > To post, send email to:
> > > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> > >
> > > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>

Comment

Hola Armando,

Te agradezco la información y tu atención por lo del cupón.

Acabo de hacer una llamada con una amiga genealogista y me dice que ella pudo realizar la prueba por medio de The Genographic Project y no tuvo problemas para el envío. No sé si la razón de que ya se pueda sea porque el kit ya viene con dos hisopos, tal como comentabas.

Consideré los detalles que me decías de FamilyTreeDNA y chequé de nuevo los precios pero aún con el cupón, que te agradezco me los hayas ofrecido, el precio de The Genographic Project sigue siendo más accesible para las 3 pruebas combinadas y me sigue pareciendo una buena opción.

Espero, pueda realizar el proceso sin mayor problema y ya les compartiré mi experiencia para que en ese caso nuestros compañeros del foro que viven en México puede considerar entre las dos opciones.

Saludos,
Enrique

PBS Finding Your Roots

Published by RaquelRuiz –
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History, Culture and General Discussion

I just watched the show (I'm on the East Coast). It was excellent!

Comments

Published by meef98367 – Thu, 2014-11-27 13:30 | Permalink

Comment

Dr. Gates mentioned he used three labs. Maybe there is a way to find out which ones he used. I think FTDNA lab has a place on their website to ask questions about their different tests.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:29:36 -0500
> From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] PBS Finding Your Roots
>
> I just watched the show (I'm on the East Coast). It was excellent! I am
> wondering if Maria Cortez or anyone else can share how/where one goes about
> testing Native American DNA at the level described in this episode by
> Carlos Bustamante of Stanford University. Also, does anyone know how much
> African DNA one needs to have to be able to obtain more specific
> information re areas of origin in Africa than the larger regional areas
> provided by FTDNA? And where one would get it done? I looked at the
> 23andMe website but it didn't really offer much information.
>
> Hopefully this gets posted in time to encourage more member to watch the
> program!

Comment

Testing Native American DNA at the level described in this episode by
Carlos Bustamante of Stanford University is not available by any of the
three labs. This has been confirmed by Cece Moore the DNA consultant for
the show. The three labs that Dr. Gates mentioned are FamilyTreeDNA,
Ancestry.com, and 23andme.

The Stanford Lab that Carlos Bustamante runs is the one that published the
academic study DOI: 10.1126/science.1251688 that has been commented on here
at NR before at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/22310 If I remember
correctly, there are two authors in that study that are from Jalisco,
Andrés Moreno Estrada and Héctor Rangel Villalobos.

In that article you can see the divisions of the different Native American
groups. They use a program called Admixture as well as PCA (principal
component analysis) as well as TreeMix to find the differences between the
populations.

At the end of the article it has the following information: Access to the
MCCAS data set may be obtained under the terms of a data transfer agreement
with the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences; the contact
is S.J.L.. Individual-level genotypes for new data presented in this study
are available, through a data access agreement to respect the privacy of
the participants for the transfer of genetic data, by contacting C.D.B.,
A.M.-E., and INMEGEN (http://www.inmegen.gob.mx/).

Hopefully all three DNA companies take advantage of the offer. I would
really like for the bloggers of Dodecad, Eurogenes, and MDLP, and
Harrappaworld to also take advantage of it so they could add the
calculators to www.Gedmatch.com

Until then 23andme is the best one for ethnic identification but
FamilyTreeDNA has a larger database of Mexicans because they send kits to
Mexico whereas 23andme does not. FTDNA also does a much better job on the
Y-DNA side with matching, up-to-date SNP testing, and DNA projects one can
join. FTDNA also has mtDNA projects and matching that is also very useful
to us. The Y-DNA testing done by 23andme is 4 years behind and hasn't
announced plans to improve it. Also the trees at FTDNA are better than
23andme.

Saludos,
Armando

Comment

I would think the more information you want the more expensive the series of tests are.
From: Emilie Garcia
To: "general@nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] PBS Finding Your Roots

Dr. Gates mentioned he used three labs.  Maybe there is a way to find out which ones he used.  I think FTDNA lab has a place on their website to ask questions about their different tests.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:29:36 -0500
> From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] PBS Finding Your Roots
>
> I just watched the show (I'm on the East Coast).  It was excellent!  I am
> wondering if Maria Cortez or anyone else can share how/where one goes about
> testing Native American DNA at the level described in this episode by
> Carlos Bustamante of Stanford University.  Also, does anyone know how much
> African DNA one needs to have to be able to obtain more specific
> information re areas of origin in Africa than the larger regional areas
> provided by FTDNA?  And where one would get it done?  I looked at the
> 23andMe website but it didn't really offer much information.
>
> Hopefully this gets posted in time to encourage more member to watch the
> program!

Comment

No, the testing that Raquel was asking about is not currently available
through any of the DNA testing companies for any price. It's not a question
of price of why it isn't available. It's a lack of desire for
implementation up to this point.

Armando

On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long <
longsjourney@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I would think the more information you want the more expensive the series
> of tests are.
> From: Emilie Garcia
> To: "general@nuestrosranchos.org"
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 11:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] PBS Finding Your Roots
>
> Dr. Gates mentioned he used three labs. Maybe there is a way to find out
> which ones he used. I think FTDNA lab has a place on their website to ask
> questions about their different tests.
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
>
>
>

Comment

Thank you for your responses. It sounds like our best option right now is
to encourage ftdna to expand their test offerings to include testing of
more distinct Native American groups, such as the testing shown on Finding
Your Roots.

Raquel

On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Armando wrote:

> No, the testing that Raquel was asking about is not currently available
> through any of the DNA testing companies for any price. It's not a question
> of price of why it isn't available. It's a lack of desire for
> implementation up to this point.
>
> Armando
>
> On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long <
> longsjourney@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I would think the more information you want the more expensive the series
> > of tests are.
> > From: Emilie Garcia
> > To: "general@nuestrosranchos.org"
> > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 11:28 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] PBS Finding Your Roots
> >
> > Dr. Gates mentioned he used three labs. Maybe there is a way to find out
> > which ones he used. I think FTDNA lab has a place on their website to
> ask
> > questions about their different tests.
> >
> > Emilie
> > Port Orchard, WA
> >
> >
> >

Comment

Yes, the best option right now is to send messages to FTDNA to encourage
them to implement the data set from Carlos Bustamante's lab for the Native
American ancestry from Mexico. If anyone is able to contact Bennett
Greenspan directly then that would be even better. The more people they
hear from the better. One average we have about 32% Native American DNA and
a lot of people have more than that including those in my own family. That
is such a large amount for Mexicans that data set should not be ignored. I
would think that we are also a significant minority in the FTDNA database.
If we let our voice be heard then they should take action sooner than
later.

Razib Khan is the one that did myOrigins and he left out some Native
American tribes that he shouldn't have. It caused the Native American
ancestry to be split with what is now called East Asia - Northeast Asia. So
that amount should be added with the New World - Native American for the
true Native American/Amerindian/Mexican Indian amount that we have. This
can be proven with using the DIY Dodecad 2.1 Wrapper, the Admixture
calculators at Gedmatch, and testing with AncestryDNA, 23andme, or Geno
2.0. The only company or 3rd party calculator that severely under reports
or splits the Native American ancestry so much is FTDNA. That also needs to
be fixed.

Armando

On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Raquel Ruiz
wrote:

> Thank you for your responses. It sounds like our best option right now is
> to encourage ftdna to expand their test offerings to include testing of
> more distinct Native American groups, such as the testing shown on Finding
> Your Roots.
>
> Raquel
>
>

Comment

Armando,

I e-mailed Dr. Greenspan when he first set up FTDNA, I forget what about now, but one thing I recall is that he said that the reason he started it was that he and other Jews wanted to know which class they belonged to, the highest being the priest class descending from Aaron, the brother of Moses. One Hispanic, a Catholic priest in New Mexico proved to be descended from one of that class, a hidden Jew in the New World. A former co-worker of mine, maiden name Cohen, told me her father was of the priest class, that he had been buried wearing a miter like popes wear. I will e-mail Mr. Greenspan and tell him of our concerns. Since I think you said that FTDNA is the only one sending kits to Mexico, he may already be interested in finding out how many Mexicans descend from hidden Jews that came to the New World, and what class they belong to.

Thanks for the info,

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 08:11:10 -0600
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] PBS Finding Your Roots
>
> Yes, the best option right now is to send messages to FTDNA to encourage
> them to implement the data set from Carlos Bustamante's lab for the Native
> American ancestry from Mexico. If anyone is able to contact Bennett
> Greenspan directly then that would be even better. The more people they
> hear from the better. One average we have about 32% Native American DNA and
> a lot of people have more than that including those in my own family. That
> is such a large amount for Mexicans that data set should not be ignored. I
> would think that we are also a significant minority in the FTDNA database.
> If we let our voice be heard then they should take action sooner than
> later.
>
> Razib Khan is the one that did myOrigins and he left out some Native
> American tribes that he shouldn't have. It caused the Native American
> ancestry to be split with what is now called East Asia - Northeast Asia. So
> that amount should be added with the New World - Native American for the
> true Native American/Amerindian/Mexican Indian amount that we have. This
> can be proven with using the DIY Dodecad 2.1 Wrapper, the Admixture
> calculators at Gedmatch, and testing with AncestryDNA, 23andme, or Geno
> 2.0. The only company or 3rd party calculator that severely under reports
> or splits the Native American ancestry so much is FTDNA. That also needs to
> be fixed.
>
> Armando
>
> On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Raquel Ruiz
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you for your responses. It sounds like our best option right now is
> > to encourage ftdna to expand their test offerings to include testing of
> > more distinct Native American groups, such as the testing shown on Finding
> > Your Roots.
> >
> > Raquel
> >
> >

Comment

Hello Emilie,

I think that the reason the other DNA companies do not send kits to Mexico
is that Mexico won't allow the spit kits to be sent. The DNA collection
kits by Geno 2.0, AncestryDNA, and 23andme all consist of spitting into a
vial. I had called National Geographic at one time asking them why they
didn't ship to Mexico and they told me it was because Mexican customs
didn't allow it. The swabs that FTDNA uses seem to be allowed by the
Mexican customs to be sent there because there hasn't been any trouble with
multiple kits being sent there and returned.

What was stated to be proven might not actually be the case. That
conclusion was reached when Y-DNA testing was brand new and a lot of
assumptions were made with the limited data and testing that existed at the
time. There are a lot of things being learned with the BigY SNP testing,
FullGenomes testing and ancient DNA testing and a lot more will be learned
in the next 10 years. FTDNA also plans on releasing an SNP-pack for Y-DNA
testing. That will also help with a better resolution of the Y-DNA
phylogenetic tree.

Armando

On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 1:49 AM, Emilie Garcia
wrote:

> Armando,
>
> I e-mailed Dr. Greenspan when he first set up FTDNA, I forget what about
> now, but one thing I recall is that he said that the reason he started it
> was that he and other Jews wanted to know which class they belonged to, the
> highest being the priest class descending from Aaron, the brother of
> Moses. One Hispanic, a Catholic priest in New Mexico proved to be
> descended from one of that class, a hidden Jew in the New World. A former
> co-worker of mine, maiden name Cohen, told me her father was of the priest
> class, that he had been buried wearing a miter like popes wear. I will
> e-mail Mr. Greenspan and tell him of our concerns. Since I think you said
> that FTDNA is the only one sending kits to Mexico, he may already be
> interested in finding out how many Mexicans descend from hidden Jews that
> came to the New World, and what class they belong to.
>
> Thanks for the info,
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
>
>

Comment

I made a mistake about the Geno 2.0 kit. It also uses cotton swabs. It is
only AncestryDNA and 23andme that uses a spit kit. I had to go dig up a kit
that my wife had used 2 years ago and the instructions were in it that
mentioned the cotton swabs. The package is even larger than the AncestryDNA
and 23andme packages which threw me off. Enrique corrected me that Geno 2.0
does send kits to Mexico. The service rep at Nat Geo that I spoke to over
the phone must not have known that the kit can actually be sent to Mexico.
The delivery info tab at
http://shop.nationalgeographic.com/ngs/browse/productDetail.jsp?product…
states Not available for shipment to Russia and Mexico.

Armando

On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Armando wrote:

> Hello Emilie,
>
> I think that the reason the other DNA companies do not send kits to Mexico
> is that Mexico won't allow the spit kits to be sent. The DNA collection
> kits by Geno 2.0, AncestryDNA, and 23andme all consist of spitting into a
> vial. I had called National Geographic at one time asking them why they
> didn't ship to Mexico and they told me it was because Mexican customs
> didn't allow it. The swabs that FTDNA uses seem to be allowed by the
> Mexican customs to be sent there because there hasn't been any trouble with
> multiple kits being sent there and returned.
>
> What was stated to be proven might not actually be the case. That
> conclusion was reached when Y-DNA testing was brand new and a lot of
> assumptions were made with the limited data and testing that existed at the
> time. There are a lot of things being learned with the BigY SNP testing,
> FullGenomes testing and ancient DNA testing and a lot more will be learned
> in the next 10 years. FTDNA also plans on releasing an SNP-pack for Y-DNA
> testing. That will also help with a better resolution of the Y-DNA
> phylogenetic tree.
>
> Armando
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 1:49 AM, Emilie Garcia > wrote:
>
>> Armando,
>>
>> I e-mailed Dr. Greenspan when he first set up FTDNA, I forget what about
>> now, but one thing I recall is that he said that the reason he started it
>> was that he and other Jews wanted to know which class they belonged to, the
>> highest being the priest class descending from Aaron, the brother of
>> Moses. One Hispanic, a Catholic priest in New Mexico proved to be
>> descended from one of that class, a hidden Jew in the New World. A former
>> co-worker of mine, maiden name Cohen, told me her father was of the priest
>> class, that he had been buried wearing a miter like popes wear. I will
>> e-mail Mr. Greenspan and tell him of our concerns. Since I think you said
>> that FTDNA is the only one sending kits to Mexico, he may already be
>> interested in finding out how many Mexicans descend from hidden Jews that
>> came to the New World, and what class they belong to.
>>
>> Thanks for the info,
>>
>> Emilie
>> Port Orchard, WA
>>
>>
>

Jalpa Marriages, 1685-1712

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I have a partial transcription of Libro 80 from marriages in Jalpa
covering 1685-1712.

I'm hoping that you can identify some of the names listed below.

Website Down Morning of Saturday November 29

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The Nuestros Ranchos website will be taken down the morning of Saturday November 29 for approximately three hours.

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Published by Nuestros Ranchos – Sat, 2014-11-29 08:51 | Permalink

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The upgrade of the site this morning was NOT successful. We will be making another attempt tomorrow morning (Sunday November 30).

La actualización del sitio esta mañana no fue exitosa. Intentaremos mañana por la mañana (domingo 30 de noviembre).

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Sorry to learn. I'm certain the web site improvements will be worth the effort for all its many users.

Paul J Gomez
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 29, 2014, at 7:51 AM, moderator@nuestrosranchos.org wrote:
>
> The upgrade of the site this morning was NOT successful. We will be making another attempt tomorrow morning (Sunday November 30).
>
> La actualización del sitio esta mañana no fue exitosa. Intentaremos mañana por la mañana (domingo 30 de noviembre).

Nuestro Rancho's search

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For the past two weeks I have been putting names in the search field in an attempt to retrieve old postings that I want to update with my latest research. What pops up is "ERROR".

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Published by arturoramos – Fri, 2014-11-28 21:02 | Permalink

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The search function is half-functional again. Please note that the website has been experiencing some serious technical issues for the last three weeks as our web server provider upgraded the operating system on the server and the software running our website is not compatible. We will be rebuilding the website early tomorrow morning which should resolve many of these issues.

Nuevo or New Tag

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Hello,

Question, I noticed that when I post a new topic never comes up with the Tag "New" or "Nuevo". How do you make your post to come up with this tag?

Happy Thanksgiving!

Susana

Chavez y Banuelos (Tlaltenango)

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Hola,

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Published by katy_brecht_quesada – Tue, 2014-11-18 12:49 | Permalink

Comment

i know i've came accross a document linking bernarda, but i can't remember where at the moment. i think this doucment said she had a sister name josefa.

Comment

Hi Katy,

Please let me know if you are able to find the document. The only thing that I have as a possibility is that Bernarda had a brother called Diego de Banuelos. He was the godfather to one of Bernarda's children (Juana Vela baptized on 26 Oct 1661).

Thank you so much for the clue

susana

Comment

yeah i wonder if that diego banuelos is the same one who married maria benavides.
while i haven't found that record yet, i've also found a document linking josefa chavez and maria (clara) chavez as sisters(maria might have also went by the name clara. if so then there's a brother named juan, and their dad may have also went by the names juan and leonor).

Comment

Katy,

This is what I have (all of them with documented source):

Capitan Juan de Chavez y Banuelos married Ysabel Soto y Almeida

Children:

Josepha de Chavez y Banuelos married to Joseph Sanchez Castellanos
Pedro de Chavez y Banuelos married to Agueda de Olague de la Torre
Maria de Chavez y Banuelos married to Juan de la Torre y Mojica

(then I have the document to link Josepha y Maria as sisters and daughters of Juan and Ysabel)

ON OTHER SIDE WITHOUT ABLE TO LINK THEM

Bernarda de Banuelos (Maybe Chavez y Banuelos) married to Thomas de Vela
Maybe with a brother Diego de Banuelos who was a godfather of one of the children with Phelipa Delgado. I don't know if Phelipa Delgado was his wife or not.

In my next post I will be posting all the sources for the family Juan de Chavez y Banuelos with just 3 of the children. (josepha, Pedro y Maria) Maybe you have another one.

Thank you for all the information

susana

Comment

Sources for the family:

JUAN DE CHAVEZ Y BANUELOS AND YSABEL DE SOTO Y ALMEIDA (documents that mentioned them)

1. Archivo Parroquial/ Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara/Arzobispado de Nueva Galicia/ Guadalajara, Jalisco. Mexico., Dispensa Matrimonial Ildelfonso Thadeo Lopez de la Madriz y Ana de Escobedo Marzo 20, 1727. Jerez, Zacatecas. Mexico (microfilm), LDS Family History Library. Film # 167994. 1725-1726 Matrimonios. vol sin/num (hojas sueltas, 1725)-sin/folio-rec 61.

2. Archivo Parroquial/ Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara/Arzobispado de Nueva Galicia/Guadalajara, Jalisco. Mexico, Dispensa Matrimonial Bernando Sanchez Castellanos e Ysabel de Guadalupe Utreta Junio 15, 1748. Jerez, Zacatecas. Mexico (microfilm), LDS Family History Library. Film # 168006. 1748-1750 matrimonios. Vol sin/num (hojas sueltas 1748-1749)- sin/folio-rec 6.

3. Archivo Parroquial/La Inmaculada/ Jerez, Zacatecas. Mexico, Certificado Matrimonial Pedro de Chavez y Banuelos y Agueda del Rio 8 dic 1681. Zacatecas, Zacatecas. Mexico (transcripcion del libro de matrimonio), Archivo Parroquial/La Inmaculada/ Jerez, Zacatecas. Mexico. Matrimonios de Espanoles-folio 11-14v. "CHAVEZ BAÑUELOS PEDRO DE, originario y vecino de la villa de Jerez, hijo legítimo del Capitán Juan de Chávez Bañuelos y de doña Isabel de Soto y Almeida, vecinos de la villa de Jerez. Pretende contraer matrimonio eclesiástico en Jerez con doña Águeda del Río, originaria y vecina de la villa de Jerez, hija legítima de Miguel de Olague y de doña Juana del Río, vecinos y feligreses del partido de Jerez. Testigos: 1.- Capitán Pedro de la Torre Gamboa, de 30 años de edad, vecino de la villa de Jerez y Teniente General en la jurisdicción de Jerez. Declaró ser deudo de los pretensos. Firmó. 2.- Antonio Flores, español, vecinos de la villa de Jerez. Dijo conocer a los pretensos desde hace 16 años. Firmó. 3.- Mateo del Río, de 60 años de edad, vecino de la villa de Jerez. Pariente en tercer grado de la contrayente. Firmó. Dispensa de matrimonio por impedimento de tercero con cuarto grado de sangre, dada en la hacienda de San Antonio de los Griegos, feligresía de El Ojo Caliente el 13 de noviembre de 1681 estando el Ilustrísimo Señor Obispo de Guadalajara, Doctor don Juan de Santiago de León Garabito en su actual y general Visita pastoral. Amonestados en 23, 25 (día de Santa Catalina) y domingo 30 de noviembre, y casados en la ciudad de Zacatecas el 8 de diciembre de 1681 por el Padre don Juan de Lara, siendo testigos, Jacinto de Herrera, Francisco Castellón y Cristóbal Carrasco y otras muchas personas que se hallaron presentes a dicha celebración. Esta partida esta sentada en el libro donde se sientan los casamientos de los españoles. Fojas: 11 – 14v." No existe microfilmacion de este registro. El dato fue tomado de la transcrippcion hecha por una tercera persona. El Libro donde se encuentra el dato esta en el Archivo Parroquial de la Inmaculada, en jerez, Zacatecas. La fuente que se menciona es la proporcionada por el autor de la transcripcion.
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JOSEPHA DE CHAVEZ Y BANUELOS

1. Archivo Parroquial/ sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara/ Arzobispado de Nueva Galicia/ Guadalajara, Jalisco. Mexico., Dispensa Matrimonial de Juan de Acuna y Ysabel Sanches Castellanos 16 Sept 1728. Jerez, Zacatecas. Mexico (microfilm), LDS Family History Library. Film # 167995. 1728 Matrimonios. vol sin/num (1728)- sin/folio- rec 53.

2. Archivo Parroquial/ Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara/Arzobispado de Nueva Galicia/ Guadalajara, Jalisco. Mexico., Dispensa Matrimonial Ildelfonso Thadeo Lopez de la Madriz y Ana de Escobedo Marzo 20, 1727. Jerez, Zacatecas. Mexico (microfilm), LDS Family History Library. Film # 167994. 1725-1726 Matrimonios. vol sin/num (hojas sueltas, 1725)-sin/folio-rec 61.

3. Archivo Parroquial/ Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara/Arzobispado de Nueva Galicia/Guadalajara, Jalisco. Mexico, Dispensa Matrimonial Bernando Sanchez Castellanos e Ysabel de Guadalupe Utreta Junio 15, 1748. Jerez, Zacatecas. Mexico (microfilm), LDS Family History Library. Film # 168006. 1748-1750 matrimonios. Vol sin/num (hojas sueltas 1748-1749)- sin/folio-rec 6.

4. Archivo Parroquial/ La Inmaculada/ Jerez, Zacatecas. Mexico, Certificado Matrimonial Juan de Acuna y Ysabel Sanchez Castellanos. 30 Sept 1728. 30 Sept 1728. Jerez, Zacatecas. Mexico (microfilm), LDS Family History Library. Film # 440059. 1712-1745 Matrimonios. Vol sin/num (1712-1731)- folio 184 y 184v-sin/rec.

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PEDRO DE CHAVEZ Y BANUELOS

1. Archivo Parroquial/ Sagrada Mitra/ Guadalajara, Jalisco. Mexico, Dispensa matrimonial Cristobal Villavicencio y Phelipa Gertrudis de Chavez 30 oct 1756. Jerez, Zacatecas. Mexico (microfilm), LDS Family History Library. Film # 167992. 1712-1721 matrimonios. vol sin/num (hojas sueltas 1709-1746)- sin/folio- rec 21.

2. Archivo Parroquial/ Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara/Arzobispado de Nueva Galicia/ Guadalajara, Jalisco. Mexico., Dispensa Matrimonial Ildelfonso Thadeo Lopez de la Madriz y Ana de Escobedo Marzo 20, 1727. Jerez, Zacatecas. Mexico (microfilm), LDS Family History Library. Film # 167994. 1725-1726 Matrimonios. vol sin/num (hojas sueltas, 1725)-sin/folio-rec 61.

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MARIA DE CHAVEZ Y BANUELOS

1. Archivo Parroquial/Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara/Arzobispado de Nueva Galicia/ Guadalajara, Jalisco. Mexico, Dispensa Matrimonial Phelipe Santiago de Orta y Antonia de los Dolores Barragan , 23 Agosto 1754. Jerez, Zacatecas. Mexico (microfilm), LDS Family History Library. Film # 168375. 1743-1759 Matrimonios. vol sin/num (hojas sueltas 1743-1759)-sin/folio-sin/rec. El nombre de Angela esta como Angela de Velasco.

2. Archivo Parroquial/ Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara/Arzobispado de Nueva Galicia/Guadalajara, Jalisco. Mexico, Dispensa Matrimonial Bernando Sanchez Castellanos e Ysabel de Guadalupe Utreta Junio 15, 1748. Jerez, Zacatecas. Mexico (microfilm), LDS Family History Library. Film # 168006. 1748-1750 matrimonios. Vol sin/num (hojas sueltas 1748-1749)- sin/folio-rec 6.

3. Archivo Parroquial/ Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara/ Arzobispado de Nueva Galicia/ Guadalajara, Jalisco. Mexico, Dispensa Matrimonial Diego de la Torre y Maria del Carmen de la Torre 24 oct 1768. Jerez, Zacatecas. Mexico (microfilm), LDS Family History Library. Film # 168380. 1762-1768 Matrimonios. vol sin/num (hojas sueltas 1761-1768)- sin/folio- sin/rec.

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yeah i remember coming accross some of those records you listed.

here's two records i found that might be related to maria chavez(who might have also gone by the name clara)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18412-61684-2?cc=1874591&wc=…
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18427-22425-16?cc=1874591&wc…

then this one gives you how de la torre and chavez connect
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18412-61226-76?cc=1874591&wc…

Joseph Cristobal de Chavez-Help

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Hola Members ,I need help reading the parents names of Joseph Cristobal de Chavez and Maria Catarina de Tejada
matrimonios-Teocaltiche-1768-1782 image # 39.
It reads Pedro de Chavez and ?????

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Published by mendezdetorres – Mon, 2014-11-24 20:45 | Permalink

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If it's Pedro de Chávez it may be Chávez Fregoso. Is it really Tejada or Tejeda? Tejeda would sure spark my interest in descending from "el Solar de Tejada"

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

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Hola Daniel, I believe its Tejeda
Ronnie

> From: mendezdetorres@hotmail.com
> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 19:30:30 -0800
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Joseph Cristobal de Chavez-Help
>
> If it's Pedro de Chávez it may be Chávez Fregoso. Is it really Tejada or Tejeda? Tejeda would sure spark my interest in descending from "el Solar de Tejada"
>
> Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
>
> Sent from my iPhone

Comment

I figured, Tejada is a very old and illustrious line. They descend directly from the Kings of Navarra. Several lines in Mexico have been located, studied and proved before the appropriate authorities. Families like Ruiz de Tejada, Lerdo de Tejada, Moreno de Tejada, Sánchez Leñero, García Sancho among others of whom I have studied thoroughly.

Daniel

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> On Nov 24, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Ronald Reynoso wrote:
>
> Hola Daniel, I believe its Tejeda
> Ronnie
>
>> From: mendezdetorres@hotmail.com
>> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 19:30:30 -0800
>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Joseph Cristobal de Chavez-Help
>>
>> If it's Pedro de Chávez it may be Chávez Fregoso. Is it really Tejada or Tejeda? Tejeda would sure spark my interest in descending from "el Solar de Tejada"
>>
>> Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone

Comment

Cristobal's father is Pedro de Chaves (difunto in short hand meaning he has
already passed away) and his mother is Margarita (in shorthand) Gonzales
(also in short hand) Bermejo originarios de Tepusco. Casado con Maria
Catarina Texeda hija ligitima de ( I believe, but not sure Antonio) de
Texeda difunto y de Anna Gonzales Bermejo.

Saludos,
Juan

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:54 PM, Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino <
mendezdetorres@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I figured, Tejada is a very old and illustrious line. They descend
> directly from the Kings of Navarra. Several lines in Mexico have been
> located, studied and proved before the appropriate authorities. Families
> like Ruiz de Tejada, Lerdo de Tejada, Moreno de Tejada, Sánchez Leñero,
> García Sancho among others of whom I have studied thoroughly.
>
> Daniel
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 24, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Ronald Reynoso wrote:
> >
> > Hola Daniel, I believe its Tejeda
> > Ronnie
> >
> >> From: mendezdetorres@hotmail.com
> >> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 19:30:30 -0800
> >> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Joseph Cristobal de Chavez-Help
> >>
> >> If it's Pedro de Chávez it may be Chávez Fregoso. Is it really Tejada
> or Tejeda? Tejeda would sure spark my interest in descending from "el Solar
> de Tejada"
> >>
> >> Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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En mis archivos encontré lo siguiente: Don Antonio Guadalupe de Tejeda Espinosa de los Monteros casado con Da. Ana González Bermejo el 28 de febrero de 1734 en Teocaltiche. También es importante notar que las madres de los novios fueron parientes, Ana González Bermejo y Margarita González Bermejo. Todos de Tepusco, un rancho cerca de Teocaltiche. Ya que es así, es seguro decir que probablemente se trata de los Chávez Fragoso. Por último, debe existir una dispensa de consanguinidad en la Sagrada Mitra, lo cual se debe localizar.

Daniel MdTC

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 24, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Juan Aguayo wrote:
>
> Cristobal's father is Pedro de Chaves (difunto in short hand meaning he has
> already passed away) and his mother is Margarita (in shorthand) Gonzales
> (also in short hand) Bermejo originarios de Tepusco. Casado con Maria
> Catarina Texeda hija ligitima de ( I believe, but not sure Antonio) de
> Texeda difunto y de Anna Gonzales Bermejo.
>
> Saludos,
> Juan
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:54 PM, Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino <
> mendezdetorres@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I figured, Tejada is a very old and illustrious line. They descend
>> directly from the Kings of Navarra. Several lines in Mexico have been
>> located, studied and proved before the appropriate authorities. Families
>> like Ruiz de Tejada, Lerdo de Tejada, Moreno de Tejada, Sánchez Leñero,
>> García Sancho among others of whom I have studied thoroughly.
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Ronald Reynoso wrote:
>>>
>>> Hola Daniel, I believe its Tejeda
>>> Ronnie
>>>
>>>> From: mendezdetorres@hotmail.com
>>>> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 19:30:30 -0800
>>>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Joseph Cristobal de Chavez-Help
>>>>
>>>> If it's Pedro de Chávez it may be Chávez Fregoso. Is it really Tejada
>> or Tejeda? Tejeda would sure spark my interest in descending from "el Solar
>> de Tejada"
>>>>
>>>> Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>
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Gracias a Armando Antunano si ay un* Pedro de Chávez Fragoso y Rivas *Bautizado
el 3 de junio 1705 - Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, México. Pedro es hijo
de Alejandro Chavez Fragoso Y Paula de Rivas Lozano.

*Bautismo:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-13033-23136-31?cc=1410092&…
*

Tres hermanas de Pedro se casaron con los Gonzalez Bermejo entonces es
probable que este Pedro se alla casado con Margarita Gonzales Bermejo, pero
tendriamos que encontrar este matrimonio para verificarlo.

Tiene que existir la dispensa de Joseph Cristobal de Chavez and Maria
Catarina de Texeda porque el documento martimonial dice que fueron
dispensados en cuarto grado puro de consanguinidad.

Juan Aguayo

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:25 AM, Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino <
mendezdetorres@hotmail.com> wrote:

> En mis archivos encontré lo siguiente: Don Antonio Guadalupe de Tejeda
> Espinosa de los Monteros casado con Da. Ana González Bermejo el 28 de
> febrero de 1734 en Teocaltiche. También es importante notar que las madres
> de los novios fueron parientes, Ana González Bermejo y Margarita González
> Bermejo. Todos de Tepusco, un rancho cerca de Teocaltiche. Ya que es así,
> es seguro decir que probablemente se trata de los Chávez Fragoso. Por
> último, debe existir una dispensa de consanguinidad en la Sagrada Mitra, lo
> cual se debe localizar.
>
> Daniel MdTC
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 24, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Juan Aguayo
> wrote:
> >
> > Cristobal's father is Pedro de Chaves (difunto in short hand meaning he
> has
> > already passed away) and his mother is Margarita (in shorthand) Gonzales
> > (also in short hand) Bermejo originarios de Tepusco. Casado con Maria
> > Catarina Texeda hija ligitima de ( I believe, but not sure Antonio) de
> > Texeda difunto y de Anna Gonzales Bermejo.
> >
> > Saludos,
> > Juan
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:54 PM, Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino <
> > mendezdetorres@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I figured, Tejada is a very old and illustrious line. They descend
> >> directly from the Kings of Navarra. Several lines in Mexico have been
> >> located, studied and proved before the appropriate authorities. Families
> >> like Ruiz de Tejada, Lerdo de Tejada, Moreno de Tejada, Sánchez Leñero,
> >> García Sancho among others of whom I have studied thoroughly.
> >>
> >> Daniel
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Ronald Reynoso wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hola Daniel, I believe its Tejeda
> >>> Ronnie
> >>>
> >>>> From: mendezdetorres@hotmail.com
> >>>> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 19:30:30 -0800
> >>>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Joseph Cristobal de Chavez-Help
> >>>>
> >>>> If it's Pedro de Chávez it may be Chávez Fregoso. Is it really Tejada
> >> or Tejeda? Tejeda would sure spark my interest in descending from "el
> Solar
> >> de Tejada"
> >>>>
> >>>> Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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Juan,

Desciendo directo de Alejandro de Chávez Fragoso y Paula de Rivas Lozano, cuya familia, vivió una temporada en San Luis Potosí. Como declaras, si hubo bastante vínculo entre ésta y la familia González Bermejo, descendientes del Alcalde Mayor. Me imaginaba que citasen el vínculo consanguíneo de los pretensos en este caso son primos terceros.

Saludos,
Daniel

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 24, 2014, at 10:47 PM, Juan Aguayo wrote:
>
> Gracias a Armando Antunano si ay un* Pedro de Chávez Fragoso y Rivas *Bautizado
> el 3 de junio 1705 - Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, México. Pedro es hijo
> de Alejandro Chavez Fragoso Y Paula de Rivas Lozano.
>
> *Bautismo:
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-13033-23136-31?cc=1410092&…
> *
>
> Tres hermanas de Pedro se casaron con los Gonzalez Bermejo entonces es
> probable que este Pedro se alla casado con Margarita Gonzales Bermejo, pero
> tendriamos que encontrar este matrimonio para verificarlo.
>
> Tiene que existir la dispensa de Joseph Cristobal de Chavez and Maria
> Catarina de Texeda porque el documento martimonial dice que fueron
> dispensados en cuarto grado puro de consanguinidad.
>
> Juan Aguayo
>
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:25 AM, Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino <
> mendezdetorres@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> En mis archivos encontré lo siguiente: Don Antonio Guadalupe de Tejeda
>> Espinosa de los Monteros casado con Da. Ana González Bermejo el 28 de
>> febrero de 1734 en Teocaltiche. También es importante notar que las madres
>> de los novios fueron parientes, Ana González Bermejo y Margarita González
>> Bermejo. Todos de Tepusco, un rancho cerca de Teocaltiche. Ya que es así,
>> es seguro decir que probablemente se trata de los Chávez Fragoso. Por
>> último, debe existir una dispensa de consanguinidad en la Sagrada Mitra, lo
>> cual se debe localizar.
>>
>> Daniel MdTC
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Juan Aguayo
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Cristobal's father is Pedro de Chaves (difunto in short hand meaning he
>> has
>>> already passed away) and his mother is Margarita (in shorthand) Gonzales
>>> (also in short hand) Bermejo originarios de Tepusco. Casado con Maria
>>> Catarina Texeda hija ligitima de ( I believe, but not sure Antonio) de
>>> Texeda difunto y de Anna Gonzales Bermejo.
>>>
>>> Saludos,
>>> Juan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:54 PM, Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino <
>>> mendezdetorres@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I figured, Tejada is a very old and illustrious line. They descend
>>>> directly from the Kings of Navarra. Several lines in Mexico have been
>>>> located, studied and proved before the appropriate authorities. Families
>>>> like Ruiz de Tejada, Lerdo de Tejada, Moreno de Tejada, Sánchez Leñero,
>>>> García Sancho among others of whom I have studied thoroughly.
>>>>
>>>> Daniel
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Ronald Reynoso wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hola Daniel, I believe its Tejeda
>>>>> Ronnie
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: mendezdetorres@hotmail.com
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 19:30:30 -0800
>>>>>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Joseph Cristobal de Chavez-Help
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it's Pedro de Chávez it may be Chávez Fregoso. Is it really Tejada
>>>> or Tejeda? Tejeda would sure spark my interest in descending from "el
>> Solar
>>>> de Tejada"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>>>
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Daniel,

Yo tambien desciendo de Alejandro de Chávez Fragoso y Paula de Rivas Lozano.

Saludos primo,
Juan

2014-11-25 1:04 GMT-06:00 Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino <
mendezdetorres@hotmail.com>:

> Juan,
>
> Desciendo directo de Alejandro de Chávez Fragoso y Paula de Rivas Lozano,
> cuya familia, vivió una temporada en San Luis Potosí. Como declaras, si
> hubo bastante vínculo entre ésta y la familia González Bermejo,
> descendientes del Alcalde Mayor. Me imaginaba que citasen el vínculo
> consanguíneo de los pretensos en este caso son primos terceros.
>
> Saludos,
> Daniel
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 24, 2014, at 10:47 PM, Juan Aguayo
> wrote:
> >
> > Gracias a Armando Antunano si ay un* Pedro de Chávez Fragoso y Rivas
> *Bautizado
> > el 3 de junio 1705 - Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, México. Pedro es
> hijo
> > de Alejandro Chavez Fragoso Y Paula de Rivas Lozano.
> >
> > *Bautismo:
> >
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-13033-23136-31?cc=1410092&…
> > <
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-13033-23136-31?cc=1410092&…
> >*
> >
> > Tres hermanas de Pedro se casaron con los Gonzalez Bermejo entonces es
> > probable que este Pedro se alla casado con Margarita Gonzales Bermejo,
> pero
> > tendriamos que encontrar este matrimonio para verificarlo.
> >
> > Tiene que existir la dispensa de Joseph Cristobal de Chavez and Maria
> > Catarina de Texeda porque el documento martimonial dice que fueron
> > dispensados en cuarto grado puro de consanguinidad.
> >
> > Juan Aguayo
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:25 AM, Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino <
> > mendezdetorres@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> En mis archivos encontré lo siguiente: Don Antonio Guadalupe de Tejeda
> >> Espinosa de los Monteros casado con Da. Ana González Bermejo el 28 de
> >> febrero de 1734 en Teocaltiche. También es importante notar que las
> madres
> >> de los novios fueron parientes, Ana González Bermejo y Margarita
> González
> >> Bermejo. Todos de Tepusco, un rancho cerca de Teocaltiche. Ya que es
> así,
> >> es seguro decir que probablemente se trata de los Chávez Fragoso. Por
> >> último, debe existir una dispensa de consanguinidad en la Sagrada
> Mitra, lo
> >> cual se debe localizar.
> >>
> >> Daniel MdTC
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Juan Aguayo >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Cristobal's father is Pedro de Chaves (difunto in short hand meaning he
> >> has
> >>> already passed away) and his mother is Margarita (in shorthand)
> Gonzales
> >>> (also in short hand) Bermejo originarios de Tepusco. Casado con Maria
> >>> Catarina Texeda hija ligitima de ( I believe, but not sure Antonio) de
> >>> Texeda difunto y de Anna Gonzales Bermejo.
> >>>
> >>> Saludos,
> >>> Juan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:54 PM, Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino <
> >>> mendezdetorres@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I figured, Tejada is a very old and illustrious line. They descend
> >>>> directly from the Kings of Navarra. Several lines in Mexico have been
> >>>> located, studied and proved before the appropriate authorities.
> Families
> >>>> like Ruiz de Tejada, Lerdo de Tejada, Moreno de Tejada, Sánchez
> Leñero,
> >>>> García Sancho among others of whom I have studied thoroughly.
> >>>>
> >>>> Daniel
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Nov 24, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Ronald Reynoso
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hola Daniel, I believe its Tejeda
> >>>>> Ronnie
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> From: mendezdetorres@hotmail.com
> >>>>>> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 19:30:30 -0800
> >>>>>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Joseph Cristobal de Chavez-Help
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If it's Pedro de Chávez it may be Chávez Fregoso. Is it really
> Tejada
> >>>> or Tejeda? Tejeda would sure spark my interest in descending from "el
> >> Solar
> >>>> de Tejada"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> >>>>>> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
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Hi Lisa,

It means link. How you are linked to these people.

Saludos,
Juan

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 5:24 PM, wrote:

> Hi Juan and Daniel,
>
> I to descend directly from Pedro Chavez and Paula Rivas. Can you tell me
> what Vinculas means?
> Thank you
>
> Lisa
>

Comment

Hi Lisa,

It means link. How you are linked to these people.

Saludos,
Juan

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 5:24 PM, wrote:

> Hi Juan and Daniel,
>
> I to descend directly from Pedro Chavez and Paula Rivas. Can you tell me
> what Vinculas means?
> Thank you
>
> Lisa
>

Comment

Hi Ronnie,
The parents of Joseph Cristobal de Chavez are Pedro de Chavez Fragoso and Margarita Gonzalez Bermejo. The parents of Maria Catarina de Tejada are Antonio de Tejeda (de los Monteros) and Anna Gonzalez Bermejo.
Antonio de Tejeda (de los Monteros) married Anna Gonzalez Bermejo in Teocaltiche on 28 Feb 1734:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19052-57503-5?cc=1874591&wc=…
The marriage shows Antonio de Tejeda to be the son of Francisco de Tejeda de los Monteros and Maria Perez Gallo. Anna Gonzalez Bermejo is the daughter of Diego Gonzalez Bermejo and Andrea Lopez de Nava.
Christopher de Cuellar

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I hope a lot of people take advantage of the sale. If anyone gets a coupon
for a Y-DNA test that they don't need and are willing to share please email
me. I have some relatives from the region of our study that would like to
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Alguien sabe sobre el apellido Tavares

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Hola a todos, mi nombre es Mario Gonzalez Gomez vivo en la cd de mexico, soy
nuevo en este foro al igual que ustedes estoy interesado en conocer mis
origenes, mi familia materna es originaria de lagos de moreno, antes Santa

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Alfonso Reynoso Rabago

En FamilySearch, en un registro de Lagos de Moreno, Altos de Jalisco (antes Villa de Santa María de los Lagos) precisamente de donde es originaria tu mamá, se encuentra este registro del siglo XVI:

Antonio Tabares

matrimonio: 28 noviembre 1573
Santa Maria De Los Lagos,Lagos De Moreno,Jalisco,Mexico

padre: Pedro Tabares

madre: Anna Rodriguez

cónyuge: Maria Ernandes

He dedicado un poco de tiempo al estudio de los Tavares o Tabares de los Altos de Jalisco donde aparece con frecuencia este apellido como bien lo dice uno de los colaboradores, de origen portugués.

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Mario,

Hici un pequeno busqueda ahoro, y esto es lo que encontre sobre los Tavares, primero hay los padres con sus hijos, y despues las filiminas en donde se puede encontrar los registros:

Hermenegildo Tabares caso con Maria Ignacia Azpeitia, en 1833 y tuvieron los siguentes hijos:

1- Jose Eligio (1833)
2- Francisco (1835)
3- Juana (1837)
4- Jose Celso (1838)
5- Maria del Rosario (1839)
6- Maria Salome (1841)
7- Jose Francisco (1842)
8- J. Ricardo (1844)
9- Cipriano (1846)
10- Eutimia (1848)

Dimas Ortiz se caso con Maria Paula Macias en 1826, y tuvieron los siguentes hijos:

1- Maria Petra (1827)
2- Ma. Viviana (1828)
3- Dionicia (1830)
4- Mariana (1831)
5- Juana (1833)
6- Tiburcio (1837)
7- Ma. Juliana (1841)

EligioTavares se caso con Juliana Ortiz en 1862, y tuvieron los siguientes hijos:

1- Nemencia (1862)
2- Ma. Espiridiona (1863)
3- Plasida (1865)
4- Benigna (1867)
5- Eulalia (1869)
6- Jose Merced (1873)
7- Sostenes (1874)
8- Andres (1880)

Santa Maria de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico
0221430 Bautismos 1824-1828 C604151
05 FEB 1827 MARIA PETRA ORTIS MASIAS
08 FEB 1828 MA. VIVIANA ORTIS MASIAS

0221431 Bautismos 1828-1832 C604152
14 ABR 1830 DIONICIA ORTIS MACIAS
24 JUL 1831 MARIANA ORTIS MACIAS

0221432 Bautismos 1832-1835 C604153
30 MAY 1833 JUANA ORTIS MASIAS
05 DIC 1833 JOSE ELIGIO TABARES ESPITIA
08 OCT 1835 FRANCO. TABARES ESPITIA

0221433 Bautismos 1836-1839 C604154
11 FEB 1837 JUANA TABARES ESPITIA
16 ABR 1837 TIBURCIO ORTIS MASIAS
07 ABR 1838 JOSE CELSO TABARES ASPETIA

0221434 Bautismos 1839-1842 C604155
13 OCT 1839 MA. DEL ROSARIO TABARES ESPITIA
14 ENE 1841 MA. JULIANA ORTIZ MACIAS
28 MAR 1841 MA. SALOME TABARES ESPITIA

0221435 Bautismos 1842-1845 C604156
07 OCT 1842 JOSE FRANCISCO TABARES ESPITIA
08 ABR 1844 J. RICARDO TABARES ESPITIA

0221436 Bautismos 1845-1848 C604157
01 OCT 1846 CIPRIANO TABARES ESPITIA

0221437 Bautismos 1848-1850 J604158 & K604158
31 DIC 1848 EUTIMIA TABARES ESPITIA

0221444 Bautismos 1861-1863 C604166
02 NOV 1862 NEMENCIA TAVAREZ ORTIZ

0221445 Bautismos 1863-1865 C604167
18 DIC 1863 MA. ESPIRIDIONA TABARES ORTIZ
15 OCT 1865 PLASIDA TAVARES ORTIZ

0221446 Bautismos 1865-1867 C604168
17 FEB 1867 BENIGNA TABARES ORTIZ

0221449 Bautismos 1868-1869 C604171
14 FEB 1869 EULALIA TAVARES MACIAS

0221453 Bautismos 1873-1875 J604175 & K604175
28 SEP 1873 JOSE MERCED TAVAREZ ORTIZ
29 NOV 1874 SOSTENES TAVARES ORTIZ

0221522 Matrimonios 1822-1830 M604192
28 MAY 1826 DIMAS ORTIS & MA. PAULA MACIAS

0221523 Matrimonios 1830-1835 M604193
04 JUL 1833 HERMENEGILDO TABARES & MA. YGNA. ESPITIA

0221527 Matrimonios 1859-1863 M604197
23 ENE 1862 ELIGIO TAVARES & JULIANA ORTIS

Si, encuentro mas, voy a mandarlo.

Jonathan

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¡Esto es bien! Si veas los registros de 1812 al presente la mayoría de la veces inculyen los abuelos por los dos lados. Va decir por ejemplo; como

Hoy 23 de Junio del año de nuestro señor 1812.....María Alvina Rafaela de Jesús, nacido en el Aguacate de 12 días nacido a quien es hija legítima de José Hernández y María Sánchez; abuelos paternos: Juan Hernández y Trinidad Ramírez; los abuelos maternos; Guadalupe Sánchez y Estefanía Romero. Sólo un ejemplo.

Si sé algo de los Tavares, son de origen de Portugal de una ciuadad pequeña que se llama...Vérzea de Tavares. Pienso que la familia vienen de la familia que fueron de nobleza como senhor da honra de Tavares. Como Diego I de Tavares, sus descendientes tomaron el apellido de Tavares, y ya con tiempo
dejaron el de. Esto es como el año 1200-1300. -Daniel Méndez del Camino
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Los Tavares no participaron en la conquista con Hernán Cortés, me recuerdo que vi en un sitio que dice que fueron una de la familias Alteñas de Jalisco. Es decir los Tavares llegaron entre 1545-1570. Te busco el sitio
ne le sé éste momento. -Daniel MdC

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Te agradesco la informacion que me envias, me llena de gozo el saber los nombres de mis abuelos, esto me motiva para seguir buscando
mas, al ver sus nombres casi puedo imaginar sus rostros, esta informacion la compartire con el resto de mis familiares.
Estamos en contacto y soludos
Atte
Mario Gonzalez

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>
> Mario,
>
> Hici un pequeno busqueda ahoro, y esto es lo que encontre sobre los Tavares, primero hay los padres con sus hijos, y despues las filiminas en donde se puede encontrar los registros:
>
> Hermenegildo Tabares caso con Maria Ignacia Azpeitia, en 1833 y tuvieron los siguentes hijos:
>
> 1- Jose Eligio (1833)
> 2- Francisco (1835)
> 3- Juana (1837)
> 4- Jose Celso (1838)
> 5- Maria del Rosario (1839)
> 6- Maria Salome (1841)
> 7- Jose Francisco (1842)
> 8- J. Ricardo (1844)
> 9- Cipriano (1846)
> 10- Eutimia (1848)
>
> Dimas Ortiz se caso con Maria Paula Macias en 1826, y tuvieron los siguentes hijos:
>
> 1- Maria Petra (1827)
> 2- Ma. Viviana (1828)
> 3- Dionicia (1830)
> 4- Mariana (1831)
> 5- Juana (1833)
> 6- Tiburcio (1837)
> 7- Ma. Juliana (1841)
>
> EligioTavares se caso con Juliana Ortiz en 1862, y tuvieron los siguientes hijos:
>
> 1- Nemencia (1862)
> 2- Ma. Espiridiona (1863)
> 3- Plasida (1865)
> 4- Benigna (1867)
> 5- Eulalia (1869)
> 6- Jose Merced (1873)
> 7- Sostenes (1874)
> 8- Andres (1880)
>
>
> Santa Maria de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico
> 0221430 Bautismos 1824-1828 C604151
> 05 FEB 1827 MARIA PETRA ORTIS MASIAS
> 08 FEB 1828 MA. VIVIANA ORTIS MASIAS
>
> 0221431 Bautismos 1828-1832 C604152
> 14 ABR 1830 DIONICIA ORTIS MACIAS
> 24 JUL 1831 MARIANA ORTIS MACIAS
>
> 0221432 Bautismos 1832-1835 C604153
> 30 MAY 1833 JUANA ORTIS MASIAS
> 05 DIC 1833 JOSE ELIGIO TABARES ESPITIA
> 08 OCT 1835 FRANCO. TABARES ESPITIA
>
> 0221433 Bautismos 1836-1839 C604154
> 11 FEB 1837 JUANA TABARES ESPITIA
> 16 ABR 1837 TIBURCIO ORTIS MASIAS
> 07 ABR 1838 JOSE CELSO TABARES ASPETIA
>
> 0221434 Bautismos 1839-1842 C604155
> 13 OCT 1839 MA. DEL ROSARIO TABARES ESPITIA
> 14 ENE 1841 MA. JULIANA ORTIZ MACIAS
> 28 MAR 1841 MA. SALOME TABARES ESPITIA
>
> 0221435 Bautismos 1842-1845 C604156
> 07 OCT 1842 JOSE FRANCISCO TABARES ESPITIA
> 08 ABR 1844 J. RICARDO TABARES ESPITIA
>
> 0221436 Bautismos 1845-1848 C604157
> 01 OCT 1846 CIPRIANO TABARES ESPITIA
>
> 0221437 Bautismos 1848-1850 J604158 & K604158
> 31 DIC 1848 EUTIMIA TABARES ESPITIA
>
> 0221444 Bautismos 1861-1863 C604166
> 02 NOV 1862 NEMENCIA TAVAREZ ORTIZ
>
> 0221445 Bautismos 1863-1865 C604167
> 18 DIC 1863 MA. ESPIRIDIONA TABARES ORTIZ
> 15 OCT 1865 PLASIDA TAVARES ORTIZ
>
> 0221446 Bautismos 1865-1867 C604168
> 17 FEB 1867 BENIGNA TABARES ORTIZ
>
> 0221449 Bautismos 1868-1869 C604171
> 14 FEB 1869 EULALIA TAVARES MACIAS
>
> 0221453 Bautismos 1873-1875 J604175 & K604175
> 28 SEP 1873 JOSE MERCED TAVAREZ ORTIZ
> 29 NOV 1874 SOSTENES TAVARES ORTIZ
>
> 0221522 Matrimonios 1822-1830 M604192
> 28 MAY 1826 DIMAS ORTIS & MA. PAULA MACIAS
>
> 0221523 Matrimonios 1830-1835 M604193
> 04 JUL 1833 HERMENEGILDO TABARES & MA. YGNA. ESPITIA
>
> 0221527 Matrimonios 1859-1863 M604197
> 23 ENE 1862 ELIGIO TAVARES & JULIANA ORTIS
>
> Si, encuentro mas, voy a mandarlo.
>
> Jonathan

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Gracias Daniel, mi familia es de origuen Portugues ¡ que bien, ni lo imaginaba, gracias por tu valiosa informacion.
saludos
Atte
Mario Glez

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>
> ¡Esto es bien! Si veas los registros de 1812 al presente la mayoría de la veces inculyen los abuelos por los dos lados. Va decir por ejemplo; como
>
>
> Hoy 23 de Junio del año de nuestro señor 1812.....María Alvina Rafaela de Jesús, nacido en el Aguacate de 12 días nacido a quien es hija legítima de José Hernández y María Sánchez; abuelos paternos: Juan Hernández y Trinidad Ramírez; los abuelos maternos; Guadalupe Sánchez y Estefanía Romero. Sólo un ejemplo.
>
> Si sé algo de los Tavares, son de origen de Portugal de una ciuadad pequeña que se llama...Vérzea de Tavares. Pienso que la familia vienen de la familia que fueron de nobleza como senhor da honra de Tavares. Como Diego I de Tavares, sus descendientes tomaron el apellido de Tavares, y ya con tiempo
> dejaron el de. Esto es como el año 1200-1300. -Daniel Méndez del Camino
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Bien, Daniel, gracias por tu informacion, me dedicare a buscar en estas fechas.

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>
> Los Tavares no participaron en la conquista con Hernán Cortés, me recuerdo que vi en un sitio que dice que fueron una de la familias Alteñas de Jalisco. Es decir los Tavares llegaron entre 1545-1570. Te busco el sitio
> ne le sé éste momento. -Daniel MdC
>
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