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Escrituras/Tierras Microfilm 1691 - 1696

I am still viewing the microfilm no. 0169054, which is Escrituras/Tierras of the years 1691 - 1738. I spent over 5 hours at the LDS Center yesterday Saturday. I have viewed 3/4 of the film now. After the first 1/4 of the film "Hacienda Palomas" of Juchipila is where it starts and after 300 pages it still is about "Hacienda Palomas." But where the documents seem to be written is in "La Cathedral de La Ciudad De Zacatecas" A lot of pages on "Ciudad Zacatecas."

Many of those pages are signed by "Antonio De Miranda." I made some random copies to show you his signature and it seems like he was Governor:

http://oi60.tinypic.com/5bris.jpg

Here is a signature:

http://oi59.tinypic.com/2iav69g.jpg

This is what he looks like when I looked him up on the internet for a painting:

http://oi57.tinypic.com/2vwy0l1.jpg

And as I was reading many of the pages, on one line that caught my attention is "rodeo" Seems like they had rodeos back then in 1696. I underlined it in green and it says something about "ganados en los rodeos"

http://oi57.tinypic.com/5y5czn.jpg

I jotted some names down that I saw while I was reading:

Ignacio Navarrette (year 1680)
Capitan Melchor Martinez (year 1688)
Capitan Juan De Renelis, Diego Arratia (year 1693)
Juan Bautista De Avila "Espanol"
Joseph Garcia De La Cruz "Espanol" 44 anos
Joseph De Alba "Espanol"
Ignacio De Acevedo Guzman (year 1693)
Sebastian Velazquez (year 1696)

I have 1/4 left to view the film to view. But even when I am done viewing this film? I will order two microfilms on Testamentos that I want to see:

Testamentos 1659 - 1843 microfilm no. 169027
Testamentos 1722 - 1752 microfilm no. 169031

Research Digest, Vol 106, Issue 7

Rodeo = round-up

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>> Andelmo Perez

Nicolas Macias and Thomas Macias

About four years ago there was a query posted at NR concerning the parents of these brothers: Nicolas and Thomas Macias. I have a little more information than was posted then.

Nicolas married Josepha de Alvarado 21 Feb 1662, in Agascalientes. She was the daughter of Luis de Alvarado and Beatriz Lopes de Elisalde.

Thomas married Maria Lopez de Elisalde 13 Sep 1659, in Aguascalientes.

Josepha and Maria are sisters. Their baptismal records have not been found.

There are two dispensations that provide some clues:

(1) Nicolas Macias de Esparza and Gertrudis Macias de Esparza (Diocese of Guadalajara, Matrimonios 1729-31, film 168114, starting at image 8), Jan 17, 1730. Their respective fathers, Pedro Macias and Onofre Macias, are stated to be first cousins, but more detail is not given, although Pedro's and Onofre's parents can be identified from other baptism and marriage records.

(2) Salvador Macias and Maria Macias (Diocese of Guadalajara, Matrimonios 1733-34, film 168055, images 30-35), 1734. They have similar descent as in the previous dispensation, and this dispensation states that Pedro's father is Thomas Macias, and Onofre's father is Nicolas Macias, and they are brothers, but the name of the father is not given.

I have not found other documents that would name the father of Nicolas and Thomas.

There is an internet genealogy that gives their parents as Pedro Macias Valadez and Luisa de Villegas, but sources are given. A look in Family Search for these parents shows a son, Nicolas, baptized in Aguascalientes Jul 7, 1621 (godparents are from Lagos); and the death of Pedro Sep 22, 1649 in Aguascalientes (the death records names his spouse). There is also a daughter, Beatriz, baptized Jan 2, 1619 in Aguascalientes. As is typical for the period, the church records give little additional information.

No marriage record was found for Pedro and Luisa in either Aguascalientes of Jalisco. The Aguascalientes matrimonial investigations do not exist for this early period.

This Nicolas (b 1621) seems to be too old to be the Nicolas who is Thomas's brother: The latter Nicolas was married in 1662, Aguascalientes, which suggests he may be been born about 1637 (assuming 25 years old at marriage). If Nicolas (b. 1621) is the brother, his last known child was born when he would have been 64 years old, not impossible, but unlikely. Thus Nicolas (b. 1621) is most likely the wrong Nicolas.

Does anyone have references that would indicate the parents of Nicolas and Thomas Macias?

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Research Digest, Vol 106, Issue 5

Yes, Parras is the oldest surviving winemaking enterprise in the Americas. It is a small town with a very nice weather, very good wine and very calm.

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Rio de la Loza (Rio y Loza)

Estimados miembros,

He estado trabajando con la linea de los Río y de la Loza, específicamente Mateo Río y de la Loza (casado con Ana Vazquez de Mercado y Tapia en Jerez, Zacatecas). Encontré en varios arboles en linea asegurando que sus padres fueron Gaspar del Río y de la Loza y Maria Rodriguez de Gordejuela. O sea que Mateo seria hermano de Rodrigo de Rio y Loza. Ya encontré el testamento de Rodrigo (fechado en la estancia de Santiago, 1604) donde menciona el nombre de sus padres, y el nombre de varios hermanos y hermanas; pero no se hace mención de Mateo. Ahora mi pregunta: ? Alguien sabe cual es la fuente documental para asegurar que Mateo también es hijo de Gaspar (Río de la Loza) y Maria (Rodriguez de Gordejuela)?. Agradeciendo de antemano cualquier información

Susana

Dear members,

I have been working with the line of the Rio de la Loza specifically Mateo Rio de la Loza (married to Ana Vazquez de Mercado y Tapia in Jerez, Zacatecas). I found several trees online stating that his parents were Gaspar del Rio y Loza and Maria Rodriguez y Gordejuela. Would mean that Mateo's brother was Rodrigo Rio de la Loza. Since I found the will of Rodrigo (dated in Estancia de Santiago, 1604) which mentions the name of his parents, and the name of several brothers and sisters; but no mention is done of Mateo. Now my question: Does anyone know what is the source to ensure that Mateo is also the son of Gaspar (Rio de la Loza) and Maria (Rodriguez Gordejuela)?. Thanking you for any information

Susana

1650 Bautizos Jerez Zacatecas

Hola,

Este mensaje es para aquellos miembros que estan investigando en Jerez, Zacatecas. Encontre algunos bautizos en el microfilm de entierros (Film # 440986 Entierros 1650-1732; 1799-1802). Las primeras 50 imagenes son bautizos de 1649 y 1650. Las primeras 5 o 6 paginas es un listado que parece ser bautizos o confirmaciones y despues de este listado estan los bautizos.

Suerte

Susana

hi,

This post is for members who are researching in Jerez, Zacatecas. I found some baptisms in the burials microfilm (Film # 440986 Entierros 1650-1732; 1799-1802). The first 50 images are baptisms of 1649 and 1650. The first 5 or 6 pages is a list that seems baptisms or confirmations and after this list are the baptisms

Good luck

Susana

MIGUEL RODRIGUEZ Y GREGORIA JOSEPHA DE LA PUENTE

Aun sigo atorada con mi linea familiar...
Los ultimos datos que tengo es que Gregoria Josepha DE LA PUENTE casada con de Miguel RODRIGUEZ y sus hijos: Eugenio y Pedro ygnacio entre 1730 a 1740.

Ellos vivian en de Valle de Huejucar aunque los registros estan en Santa Maria Mecatabasco.
Eugenio y Pedro Ignacio se van a vivir a Yahualica, Jalisco en 1777 aproximadamente.

Al parecer Gregoria se vuelve a casar con un Miguel MARTINEZ entre 1740 y 1750 y sus hijos son Maria Antonia Martina y Maria Ildefonsa, vivian en San vicente y sus registros estan igual en Santa Maria Mecatabasco.

No tengo ningun matrimonio de Gregoria Josepha DE LA PUENTE, alguien que me ayude...

Gracias!!
Veronica Rodriguez

Fw: Jacinta de Sotomayor & Blas Nieto

Daniel, Jaime, Carolyn, et al

There is no doubt that this is an important piece of the puzzle. It links Antonio de Castañeda to his grandparents Pedro de Castañeda and Jacinta de Sotomayor and adds a few more bits of information to the Castañeda legacy. The Dispensa Matrimonial you provided confirms that Antonio de Castañeda was indeed the son of Nicolás de Castañeda and Ana de Vargas Moriano, and a brother of Apolonia de Castañeda. Here is the link:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18426-82663-43?cc=1874591&wc…

As soon as I get some time I'll follow up with more details on the Castañeda from Sierra de Pinos. So far I haven't been able to find any info. on Blas Nieto, the legitimate brother of Jacinta de Sotomayor. The oldest Nieto in my database is Pedro Nieto Corona, who married María de Castañeda ca.1676. I haven't identified her parents, but feel pretty certain that she belongs to the same Castañeda family from Sierra de Pinos.

Let me know what you think.

BILL FIGUEROA

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jacinta de Sotomayor & Blas Nieto

Bill, Jaime, Carolyn et. al.
I believe I have found another piece of the puzzle with the Castañeda family. The following: In a dispensa that can be found for the years 1710-1712, image 489 we find the following information:

Sierra de Pìnos - Nicolás de Castañeda y María Gómez Ruíz

It mentions that Nicolás is a native of Sierra de Pinos as well as María Gómez. They share a 4th and 3rd degree of consanguinity. He is the son of Antonio de Castañeda and Tomasa de Carrión; she is the daughter of Matías Gómez and Isabel Ruíz; The genealogy is not fully mentioned, the only information the witnesses give is that both are "bisnietos de dos hermanos carnales"
According to the dispensation, Antonio de Castañeda is the grandson of Pedro de Castañeda and María Gómez is the great grandaughter of Jacinta de Sotomayor. It also mentions that Jacinta was a sister to Blas Nieto. My question is the following: is Blas Nieto somehow related to the Nieto Corona family? This would put all these individuals at the beginning to the first quarter of the XVII century in Aguascalientes-Pinos region.
I hope this will shed forth even more light on this genealogy,

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

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FW: Anthropolo​gical Genetic Genealogy: Castas, DNA, and Identity

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Microfilm of Escrituras 1691 - 1738

Today, I was looking at the microfilm of “Escrituras 1691 – 1638” Microfilm No. 0169054 at the LDS Family History Center.

I only got through 1/4 of the film or 292 pages. The pages are not numbered so I manually kept track on what page I am on so I can quickly get to there if I want to make copies of certain pages.

I got to year 1692 and saw Zacatecas, mention almost all the time. But I was reading a lot on the “conflict” de Juan Ambrosio Martin vs B D(Don?) Nicolas Medrano. A denuncio. It seems like there was some kind of conflict over the minas of “Concepcion” and “Vetagrande.” The pages always started out with “En La Ciudad Zacatecas ante La Justicia” for instance. Other names I read were “Doctor Don Ignacio De Acevedo y Guzman” “Juan Antonio Perez De Banos (Barrios?). A line noted, “Los ricos metals que lluebaban los duenos de la mina Concepcion.” “La Mina Del Fern? Al Feres”
“En La Ciudad Zacatecas 8 de Junio 1692 ante N? Vicario Juez, parecio Joseph De Arsinico Mulatto Libre vez De La Veta Grande.” “Le costaron 29 del corriente sobre pleito de la minas del eterno Veta Grande.”

In another line it said, “Parecio El Capp Don Josoe Gato.” It seems like a trail at the Juez of the City of Zacatecas was going on over the owners of the mines of Concepcion and Vetagrande. And they had testimonies (testimonies) by several people. Another line said, “Ante del referida a robar las metals de la mina de Concepcion entre los cuales se llebaron un testigo una barra de seis pcony que se abia quedado dentro la mina.” Another name mentioned is “Mateo De Bonilla.” Then it mentioned “Inquisition” and “Execucion.”

On page 292 I came across “La Hacienda De Palomas” de la jurisdiction de “Juichipila” in the year 1695. I was stunned because it gave a very detailed description of the properties (Palomas, Sienega, Ojo Del Carretero y La Parada), the house with such detail such as the doors, paintings, cadenas, llaves, plata de china, etc. for the next two pages! Then following that is the Escrituras with the “Sello of Terced” The herraderos are “Medina Herrera” I could have made copies but the only copier/scanner was occupied by someone until closing time.
I am looking for “Rancho Palmitos” of Minillas, Mezquitic, that my GGGGGGG Grandfather Antonio Madera owned in 1698. That is my main interest and I feel like I am getting close. But the whole microfilm is so interesting to read that if I get stuck reading all of it I would take a long time to get to 1698 where supposedly there are Escrituras of what my GGGGGGG Grandfather owned.

Now I have to wait until Wednesday night when when the LDS Family History Center is open or next Saturday during the day

Fojas Perdidas Project: Update

I would like to add the original message from Carlos at the bottom of this
message and encourage members to give to this worth project. I’m
contributing now, having forgotten to do so earlier. Will some of you that
haven’t already join me?

joseph

From: Nancy Yturralde [mailto:nancyyturralde@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 1:30 AM
Subject: Update of Projects

Before I give an update on our imaging project I would like to express our
appreciation to all who have helped with our Fojas Perdidas Project.
Without your financial donations and voluntary hours we would not be where
we are today.

As of now our plans to image some missing parish records are on hold. The
Bishop did not give us approval; he said, “not right now.” We are
workinging with FamilySearch to get the diocese copies of records they do
not have, so this should keep the door open. Meanwhile we have started
imaging the Fondo Colonial of the Archivo Histórico Municipal and at the
same time we are in communication with the folks at the Office of Digital
Innovation and Stewardship, University of Arizona Libraries for their
assistance in the placement of our project online.

While in Valle de Allende the Jornadas Vivistas was taking place in Parral
as well as the opening ceremonies for Viva Chihuahua in el Valle which
brought people from all over Chihuahua as well as the States. You cannot
believe the positive comments that were made when they learned what we were
doing. We received donations of books from Jesus Vargas and Alvaro Canales
Santos. Cantante Polo Montanez made a donation of some CD’s of his
canciones de pueblo Chihuahuaneses. The Instituto Chihuahuense de la
Cultura donated to our Project a generous portion of Journadas Vivistas
posters.

For those of you who were able to give a donation of time or money we would
like to send you the CD of Polo Martinez or the poster of the Journadas
Vivistas as a token of appreciation If you would like one of these items
sent to you please indicate which one along with your address. We can also
send it to a friend as a gift from you. To preview these items check out
our home page to see the poster and the following link to listen to one of
Polo’s songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNvQCsJm8P4. Should you desire an
additional poster or CD they are $25 for the poster and $8.00 for the CD.
The price includes postage. Once again thank you so very much.

=================================================================

Please call Carlos Yturralde and let him know we are interested in this
project.

From: Carlos Yturralde [mailto:
cmyturralde@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 12:54 PM
To: Clean@h2opodcast.com
Subject: Fojas Perdidas

Hi Joseph,
The Hispanic Heritage Project has just started a project called “Fojas
Perdidas.” We as researchers will come against a wall where the paper trail
has come to an abrupt end where there are no records. Our quest is to find
those records.
For those of us who are doing Hispanic research in Mexico, we use
FamilySearch, which is our greatest source of information. We are eternally
grateful for the work that the Utah Genealogy Society has done in
microfilming the Catholic sacramental records as well as the Priest who
diligently recorded that history. We likewise are indebted to FamilySearch
in digitizing those records and continuing imaging more records and having
access to those images online.
What most researchers are not aware of is that when the Utah Genealogy
Society microfilmed the parish records, they filmed the copies that were
kept in the diocese. As is the practice, the Church requires each parish to
create two copies. One is kept at the parish and the other sent to the
diocese archive. We have found that sometimes not all the copies made their
way to the diocese and are still in the parishes not yet filmed or imaged.
These are the missing records we shall find and image. In a few cases there
were small parishes that were not filed at all. Our goal is to identify
those fojas perdidas and work to get them online.
This requires a small pueblito. We have a volunteer camera operator to image
the records, but we need volunteers to create tables of content of the
images that are online. Then the camera operator can use it to identify the
missing records so they can then be imaged and made available on
FamilySearch. Since one of the areas we are looking into is Jalisco we are
hoping maybe Nuestros Ranchos would join our effort. Give it some thought
and if you think that is possible please give me a call.
Carlos Yturralde
Hispanic Heritage Project
760-484-6528

my indexes of certain Información Matrimonial collections

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21043

so far i only have four there. i used to have some other ones posted there but a while back family search made some changes and merged some collections together into one, so i had to remove some of them in order to fix them and then later upload them.

Pedro de Chirriaga y Luisa Ortiz

Hola,

Estoy buscando información acerca de Pedro de Chirriaga y Luisa Ortiz. Su hija Luisa de Chirriaga caso con Pedro del Muro Salas en 1662 en Aguascalientes. No he podido encontrar ninguna información acerca del matrimonio Chirriaga Ortiz. Gracias de antemano.

Susana

Hello,

I'm looking some information about Pedro de Chirriaga and Luisa Ortiz. Their daughter Luisa de Chirriaga married Pedro del Muro Salas in 1662 in Aguascalientes. I haven't been able to find any information about the couple Chirriaga-Ortiz. Thanks in advance

Susana

Pedro de Chirriaga y Luisa Ortiz

Hola,

Estoy buscando información acerca de Pedro de Chirriaga y Luisa Ortiz. Su hija Luisa de Chirriaga caso con Pedro del Muro Salas en 1662 en Aguascalientes. No he podido encontrar ninguna información acerca del matrimonio Chirriaga Ortiz. Gracias de antemano.

Susana

Hello,

I'm looking some information about Pedro de Chirriaga and Luisa Ortiz. Their daughter Luisa de Chirriaga married Pedro del Muro Salas in 1662 in Aguascalientes. I haven't been able to find any information about the couple Chirriaga-Ortiz. Thanks in advance

Susana

Isabel de Anda Altamirano

Hola,

Este es mi segundo mensaje al respecto. Estoy tratando de conectar a los Anda Altamirano de Jerez Zacatecas, con los de Lagos de Moreno. Encontré en el libro de "Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia" del autor Mariano Gonzalez-Leal que entre los hijos del Capitan Juan de Anda Altamirano y Juana Ruiz se encuentra Isabel Anda Altamirano casada con Francisco Prieto Gallardo (el 20 de enero de 1659 en Teocaltiche)que mas tarde se trasladaron a la zona de Jerez (linea de la que desciendo). En dicho libro no se menciona la fuente para dicha conexión, ya que el matrimonio no incluye el nombre de los padres de Isabel. Asimismo encontré la muerte de su padre Juan de Anda y dice que no hizo testamento. Ya también revise los bautizos de Lagos, y no encontré el de Isabel.

Dicha conexión la encontré en algunos mensajes dentro de este foro, asegurando que Isabel Anda es hija de Juan de Anda; pero desgraciadamente ninguno de los mensajes incluye la fuente documental.

Agradecería mucho CUALQUIER información al respecto

Gracias de antemano

Susana Leniski

Need help reading a document

I need help reading a document. The handwriting in this document is very difficult to read. Is there someone that could help me? It's the marriage record of Esteban Franco on the 8th of October 1736. The document is on the left hand side of the page. I would really appreciate any help. Thank you.
Anita R.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18570-65953-5?cc=1874591&wc=…

Que! pena esto escribio un miembro de este sito. en Geni.com

, si tengo copias de sus meritos ,, y puse la foto copia en este portal ..... su s, s, J Octavio gomez , y por favor ignacio anaya gomez , no te metas a poner informacion de lo cual no saves nada ,,, o de robartela para despues ponerla en nuestros ranchos ...como si fuera tuya ,,,, O y los abuelos de remijia gomez , tu madre , fue jose remijio gomez , de ameca jal .... no de tenamaxtlan , como lo alteraste ,,, o de atengo jal , como lo tenia registrado , cristian newton gomez y le robaste su trabajo ,,,,, busca tu propia genealogia y deja de andar robandote el trabajo de otros !!!!!!

lo copie tal cual

Diego Arias de Sotelo regidor

Hi fellow researchers

This past Monday I came across a folder in PARES from 1583. It's about some property of Diego Arias Sotelo to which someone lays claim. My Spanish is not good enough to get much out of it, but there is a statement by Christobal Sotelo Montezuma (he swears by the four Saints and the Holy Cross and others, rather dramatic), and list of some of Diego's property. Diego is referred to as regidor of la Ciudad de Mexico and as "natural" of the villa de San Miguel de Ribera (north of Salamanca and southeast of Zamora). This document is from 1583, and since Diego signed a letter in Febr. 1582, this places his death to between the date of the letter, and the date of this document. The writing is not difficult to read, so I hope someone will take a look at it and see if there is anything new to add to Diego Arias de Sotelo's story.

It never works for me to save a link to a particular image in Pares, so I have made a pdf document with screendumps that show how I found the document, and three screendumps from the document itself, so anyone who is interested should be able to find it in PARES. The pdf document is in the File Folder (Member Genealogy Files) here in NR under the name "Diego Arias Sotelo regidor" - see under "D".

Regards,
Denise

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Moctezuma's daughter

I am very interested in this information.  I have worked on my Femat tree that brought me to Monica Romo de Vivar.  Going through her line I came across some of this information but I became confused at Diego Romo de Vivar as there are so many with the same name and some brothers married the same woman.  I was very confused.  I am very happy to see some information on that line.  I just hope someone can help me connect the Romo de Vivar line.