Joseph,

yes I just got back from ordering 3 films......I need to get my grandmothers and gr. grandmothers info.....first and put it all together.

Stella

This too shall pass.............

I am also interested in Helyn's Castañeda line.  If you look in the 
files section in my Sánchez report, you'll see that I have a line of 
Castañedas from Tepechitlán and Tlaltenango de Sánchez Román.  Let me 
know if you can tie them into your family.

Thanks to Steven for the unselfish way he shares information with the 
rest of the group.  I knew he would be a real asset to this group.

Maria Cortez

I'd like to welcome Helyn to the group. Here is her introduction. She
said she would be sending in her genealogy later and I in particular am
interested in seeing her Castaneda information.

joseph
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Joseph, Thank you for this fantatic site. I appreciate your hard
work, and dedication in bringing us all together in our Genealogy
quest. I have been an ardent researcher at the local Family History
Center fo the past 4 years and just received a film for the late
1700's for Tlaltenango de Sanches Roman.

Was beginning to think that I was never going to graduate out of the
1800's, as a fellow researcher had encouraged me to copy all with the
surnames on my line as they are bound to be related. So, this, I have
quite the database, and happy to share information.

The surnames are Magallanas, Luna, Herrera, Carlos, Robles, Serrno,
Mota, Sandoval, Cabrera, and Gonzles.

In the Momax records, my hunt is for Castaneda, Haro, Chaves,
Contreras, and

well I'm really glad you are making so much progress.  .  .but all I have
to say is. . ."develop." Yes now you have been given a lot of your genealogy
so don't be content with the way it is. Take some of that information and
order the films and confirm it for yourself. Take the information and develop
it further. Take some of the later generations and add some of the flesh
to the bones and add a biography to those that you can get info about. Write
your mom's or your grandmom's biography. . .it doesn't have to be (but it
can) real long but even just a few pages will be wonderful for someone to
read 5 generations from now. Start working your genealogy into a form that
you can pass to all the branches of your family so that this great information
won't be forgotten again. Let us be the generation that stops the forgetting
and starts the remembering.



"Vamos a parar ovildando y comensar acordando."



I'm so happy for you,

joseph



SJLSTAR@... wrote:

Joseph,

I can't thank you enough for

Joseph,

I can't thank you enough for what has happened to me!!! I have connected with three cousins!!! or should I say they connected with me!! This is so awesome........I never tried to trace this line because it seemed so hopeless..........yet its the easiest so far......with familysearch org the records are right online.....yes I have to order records.....etc.......but to talk to my cousins......and go to my mother and ask her this this and this..........I have been calling her everyday with something...........I use to call her once a month.......I have even reconnected with her............THANK YOU!!!!

Stella

This too shall pass.............

-----Original Message-----
From: Pacorro73@...
[mailto:Pacorro73@...]
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 4:03
PM
To: igomezlucero@...
Subject: Catching
up.

Hi Irma,

I just wanted to send you this
little message to ask you if you got my latest message or if you've had a
chance to see the information on the Gutiérrez family that I sent out. 

Pacorro73@... wrote:

Joseph and all members of Ranchos:



In light of last weekend's discussion over the surname Martín del Campo,
and because of a very hectic weekend, I decided to belatedly throw in my
two cents worth.  The Martín del Campo family, as María Cortéz mentioned,
is indeed a family of purely Alteño origins.  Several of us, including María
Cortéz, Roberta Romero, Irma Gutiérrez Lucero, and myself, are descended
from the progenitor of the Martín del Campo clan.  I'm sure there are several
others out there who are also descendants.  Anyone with this surname is undoubtedly
related to one another.  The surname is still kept by many as Martín del
Campo, but over the centuries some descendants have shortened it to Martín
or changed it to Martínez.

So then in 1931 the doctor who signed my grandfathers death certificate:
Rafael Martin del Campo is probably related. Has anyone out there ever heard
of Rafael Martin del Campo, MD who worked around the San Fernando Valley
in the

Joseph and all members of Ranchos:



In light of last weekend's discussion over the surname Martín del Campo, and because of a very hectic weekend, I decided to belatedly throw in my two cents worth.  The Martín del Campo family, as María Cortéz mentioned, is indeed a family of purely Alteño origins.  Several of us, including María Cortéz, Roberta Romero, Irma Gutiérrez Lucero, and myself, are descended from the progenitor of the Martín del Campo clan.  I'm sure there are several others out there who are also descendants.  Anyone with this surname is undoubtedly related to one another.  The surname is still kept by many as Martín del Campo, but over the centuries some descendants have shortened it to Martín or changed it to Martínez.



My research on this particular family has been ongoing for several years now, but I have not been the only one doing research on them.  Much of my data had been investigated by the late Jaime Holcombe Isunza (+).  His research is available to everyone via

I read this book "Estirpe de Cazcanes; Norte de Jalisco y Sur de Zacatecas"
by Luis Sandoval Godoy. It was produced in cooperation with the University
of Guadalajara, Colotlan, Jalisco; ISBN: 968-5206-81-3



Now I said all that and I really don't even recommend the reading of this
book only because it lacks references to the subject material. The book pretty
much takes all the surrounding areas (Colotlan, Tepechitlan, Tlaltenango,
Momax ) and tells some background stories. Background History of an area
can help us understand things as we do our research. Sometimes records are
missing or there are gaps. Or sometimes records are found in unusual or unexpected
places. Some of the following kinds of events are very possibly the reasons
why these different from the norm situations can and do happen.



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Here are a couple of things that were interesting and needful of further
study both for confirmation and for additional details.



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The Revolucion Cristera

This is what I was talking about when I said we need to start digging
into the History of our area of research. . .in the context of this
group that area being the estados de Jalisco y Zacatecas. Recently
Steven Hernandez send two magnificient emails to Irma Gomez Lucero
giving wonderful historical background for the Los Altos area.

Earlier today I uploaded two Census Information scans from the area of
present day Calvillo, Aguascalientes provided by Gloria Delgado. Then
she sent me this email and it has just a few lines of Historical
information which I'm sure shes going to add to later. Now if we all
made it our goal to dig out one or two nuggets of the history of our
particular area of research maybe something will somehow make sense to
someone. . .in this email from Gloria she said something that might have
interest to those of you studying the Villa de Refugio or Tabasco,
Zacatecas area. Thanks again Gloria:

Hi Joseph,

Thank you, I'm glad you think it's a good