I thought there was one or two of you that is looking for relatives 
in the Totatiche area. I found this interesting film yesterday and 
would encourage you to do a "Film/Fiche" search of the 
http://www.familysearch.org website [go to the library catalog and 
under the place search tab you'll see the film/fiche search tab].

look up film number: 758093

joseph

. . .oh i forgot to say it was for a Padron in 1773

Okay I'm not planning on sending this out to the group forever. But 
after a few more days of it I'll consider sending it out to those 
that contact me off. Evaluate it and let me know through private email

joseph

Well, Live and learn...........lol

I had ordered just the bautismos..........my grandmother belongs to......you guessed it the other section...........but hopefully when those films finally arrive I can find some of the brothers and sisters who came later....legitamitely  (sp?)



Stella

This too shall pass.............

In your quote "hijo legitimo y vivo natural de {women's name}" where 
you have {woman's name} does the record show the mother's name?  Or 
is it a town's name?  Because natural could also mean native of...
Most of the marriage records I've examined usually specify the 
person's place of origin and current place of residence to identify 
the parrish they belong to.  For example, "Gregorio Orozco hijo 
legítimo de Juan Orozco y Maria González, natural de Santa María y 
vecino de San Nicolás parroquia de Ixtlahuacán el tiempo de 2 años..."

I don't mean to confuse things, but sometimes I've had to re-read  
records two or three times to decipher the meaning. It also helps to 
read other records from the same book to see what format the priest 
(or notario) followed and just to familiarize yourself with the 
handwriting.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073"  wrote:
> Your explanation is the way I understand the terminology also...but 
I 
> have come across

I'm a little confused. On Rootsweb you have that he was married to
Leonarda Ramirez. . .was Paula Banuelos his second wife?

here are a couple of possible relations:

GUADALUPE MACIAS BANUELOS

Male
22 MAR 1857 Santa Maria De Los Angeles, Jalisco, Mexico

 Father:  FRANCISCO MACIAS Family

Mother: JUANA BANUELOS
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C611043 1845 - 1863 1158275
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JUAN MACIAS BANUELOS

Male
11 DEC 1859 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico

 Father:  FRANCISCO MACIAS Family

Mother: SUSANA BANUELOS
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C604644 1857 - 1860 0443683
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joseph


zendean1 wrote:

I am looking for the ancestors of Francisco Macias from
Zacatecas, Mexico. He was married to Paula Banuelos of Zacatecas.
His family later settled in El Paso, Texas. His son, Feliciano was
my grandfather. Also from Zacatecas. I have names but no data and
locatio

Your explanation is the way I understand the terminology also...but I 
have come across two records which don't make sense to me.  What I 
have seen in the past is that for illegitimate children usually it 
will say "hijo natural de {women's name} y padre no conicido."  A 
baptism record I have says "hijo legitimo de {women's name}" then it 
doesn't mention a father.  Then on this person marriage record it 
says, "hijo legitimo y vivo natural de {women's name}" and again no 
mention of a father.  The mother and son have the same last name.  
Does anyone know what this means?  If the person was born out of 
wedlock then why doens't it just say "hijo natural?"

Any insights would be greatly appreciated...

Thanks,
Angie

Bautismos are for legitimate children.  Bautismos de hijos naturales (natural children) are for illegitimate and/or out-of-wedlock children, in other words what was once referred to as "bastard" children.  Priests would keep the two separate.  The naturales were looked down upon somewhat.  But at the same time, I've seen both legitimate and illegitimate baptized children in the same book.



Steven H.

   I am looking for the ancestors of Francisco Macias from 
Zacatecas, Mexico.  He was married to Paula Banuelos of Zacatecas. 
His family later settled in El Paso, Texas. His son, Feliciano was 
my grandfather. Also from Zacatecas. I have names but no data and 
locations to search. My genealogy is on line at rootsweb.com 
under "the Jose Luis Macias family tree".  Is there another 'Macias" 
who would lkie to correspond and exchange information?

What is the difference in

"bautismos"   and

"bautismos de hijos naturales"  ????



Stella

This too shall pass.............

Steven - You found my grandpa's (Isidoro) side of the family - wow what information - and yes, my grandma's name is Librada.  My mother and aunts are going to be thrilled to see this info.  Again, Steven you are a wealth of information and I THANK YOU for finding my grandpa's side of the family.  I just can't thank you enough.



Your prima

Roberta Romero