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Book

As a long time researcher of Los Altos genealogy, I can honestly say that in reality the majority of the population of Los Altos is really of old Spanish extraction, with the lingering possibility that they were crypto-Jews, hiding the secret all the while.  I simply have never seen any evidence of Judios in alteno records.  Now there were lots of indios, mestizos, mulatos (libres y esclavos), coyotes, lobos, and the usual assortment of castas. 
 
Of the various example of actual Jewish lineage is that of the Ha-Levi family of Burgos, whose lineage later became part of the Cadena, later Zaldivar and On~ate lineages of Zacatecas, Nochistlan.  Another is that of Mariana de Vera y Medina, wife of Conquistador
Gaspar de la Mota y Mena, and later poblador of Nueva Galicia around Guadalajara, Jalisco.  Don~a Mariana was the daughter of Don Juan de Vera, a known Judio converso who later became a Catholic.  Don Juan de Vera, was, if I remember correctly, a member of the Audiencia.  Based

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Book

sounds really interesting. If you get it please send us the table of
contents as a scan. would love to read something like this for the
Colotlan/Santa Maria de Los Angeles area. Thanks for bringing up the
subject. . . .hopefully others will have books they would like to
recommend for their specific geographic area of study within our group
target area. You never know but as different ones bring up their
favorite books it might inspire someone to dig deeper into their history
or provoke a New Years Resolution to study areas that have been neglected.


thanks,

joseph

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I found this book listed in libroslatinos.com; has anyone read it?

EL ORIGEN DE LA POBLACION ALTEÑA by Hernández, Silviano.

Description: On the origins of the population of Los Altos de
Jalisco with much on its Sephardic and Crypto-Jewish (as well as
French) origins.
Publisher: Guadalajara, Secretaría de Cultura Jalisco (Voz de la
Tierra), 2003

Book Condition: 80p., bibl., wrps
Price

Book

I found this book listed in libroslatinos.com; has anyone read it?

EL ORIGEN DE LA POBLACION ALTEÑA by Hernández, Silviano. 
 
 Description: On the origins of the population of Los Altos de 
Jalisco with much on its Sephardic and Crypto-Jewish (as well as 
French) origins.
Publisher: Guadalajara, Secretaría de Cultura Jalisco (Voz de la 
Tierra), 2003
Book Condition: 80p., bibl., wrps
Price: 20.00
BookID: 91944


Comments?

Maria





Collecting Oral History



     so so true about keeping a little reserve when listening to the
stories. My Aunt Julia before she recently died at 85 had a mind like a
bear trap. She really put me to shame several times reminding me of
what we already talked about a mere 2 weeks earlier. She could remember
minute details and dates about things that happened when she was twelve
years old. . .she'd say well "I was twelve years old or I was 17 or I
was 25 and then do a quick calculation and give me the date." Well one
time she told me how her mom my grandmother Virginia Diaz was born in
Rancho de Animas, Jalisco on December 15, 1886 and that the reason she
knew that exact date without calculation is that her father my Abuelo
Julio who was also born in Ranchos de Animas was born on December 20,
1886 exactly being 5 days younger than her. She also said that Abuela
Virginia's dad Francisco Diaz would preach to her, "If you don't
remember anything remember your birth date: December 15, 1886."  Well
enclosed is the

Collecting Oral History

Hi group!
 
I just wanted to say that I think Joseph's suggestions are great ones-- I wish I had recorded my grandpa before he passed, and my grandma before she started to forget the details of her childhood.   I just wanted to add to not take everything that is stated on faith, but do keep track (write down) the stories-- but verification helps.  For example, about 12 years ago I asked my grandma about her siblings and their spouses.  She was helpful for most, but when I asked her about a particular sister, she just said, "Oh... I think her husband's name is Daniel.  She had three or four kids."  I wrote this down, and when I asked my father, he knew nothing more than what she said.  However, just last year I visited my dad's first cousin, who is about ten years older than my father.  When I asked her about this tia's husband, she said, "Yes, she's had four kids, but what makes you think she married anybody?"  When I told her what my grandma said, she laughed.  I then realized that my

Oral History: Books



Well as usual I kind of went nuts on something. I'm not suppose to be
doing this but studying for an exam coming up a week from this coming
monday, but I took a break from the books and was sort of absorbed by
this mini project.


I so often find that that I get a big time blessing when I set out to
send the group stuff and find non group related but definetly related to
me gold nuggets of information. I'm going to have to go and see how I
can get some of those books and tapes to listen to. Of course most
library's don't ILL non book items but where theres a will theres a way.


joseph

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Collecting Oral History


Just some of thoughts to keep in mind when interviewing relatives or
people that knew your relatives:


1) if you can ask if its okay to interview the discussion on cassette
tape. Don't make a big deal about this as some people tend to freeze up
if you stick a microphone in their face. Rather get a high quality mike
and set it between you and your relative turn it on and forget about it.
If you get resistance emphasis how important their words are for the
future generations and how it wouldn't be right to deny her/his great
great great great grandchildren the privledge of hearing their voice.


2) if you do telephone interviews then go to Radio Shack and buy a
telephone line recording system (less than $50) that lets you plug into
your phone line and tape from any phone in the house. Still ask
permission to record.


3) if you seemed to get a good session with no problems with a cassette
recorder ask if it would be okay to do video camera. I personally don't
think a

ORAL HISTORY

wonderful story.



if I have a chance I have to ask anyone that even looks hispanic where
they are from. Heck I know stuff like you've just described happens and
I really want it to happen to me, Too. Your wonderful story makes me
want to yell out to the world asking every Mexican I can get to listen
"Are you from Jalisco or Zacatecas?" "Do you know anyone from this or
that Rancho." "My grandparents were born close to Colotlan/Santa Maria
de Los Angeles, Jalisco do you know anyone from there?" I've even
wanted to go to Hispanic festivals and set up a genealogy booth with
signs seeking out Jalisco and Zacatecas residents [note: I might have
some Aguascalientes roots but the evidence is not fully developed].



I even started an unfinished project to "spam" all the "Puentes' " that
came up on Yahoo people search.



I have found several lost branches of my family by cold calling people
with my last name. Thus the family that used to be less than 1000
people now is way way over 3000. [I

ORAL HISTORY

Now, this is AWESOME!!!  This is what is
called in genealogy "a serendipitous moment."  Honest!  There are many
such moments in genealogy.  Hank Jones (aka Henry Jones) has published many
books about these moments.  Marge V:)
----- Original Message -----
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AM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] ORAL HISTORY

A number of years of ago, in the midst of working on a
business plan; I opted to work for a temporary employment agency to have some
cash flowing in. One sunny Friday morning, I received a call for an
assignment; I was advised that it would be in the immediate area.
 
However, late in the day, I was notified that the assignment
would be in the middle of the most heavily traveled corridor, my first thought
was to gracefully decline, but on second thought, I knew it was best to honor
my commitment.
 
In th following weeks, I would encounter a young,