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Thank you so much. I am estatic someone else is also doing Pinos.
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Sylvia Rodriguez Robles MPA
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Alice,
I feel the same way as you do. We have 3 children all of which married Anglo-Americans. My greatest desire was to have brown grandbabies so as not to lose our heritage. I would love them all and do love them regardless of their color or parentage. But I too have a problem with wanting to be only European.
I think Joseph mentioned in one of his previous comments that he will stop people just to ask them what part of Mexico they are from. My husband and I do the same thing, in a restaurant, the gardeners, our cleaning ladies or a new company employee with a spanish surname.
As I grow older I become more Mexicana not less. As I grow older I go back to who I've always been with the sense and security that comes with love and acceptance of who you are. In my younger self I wanted to fit in and be like everyone else even if it meant separating from my roots. Now I'm not willing or able to give that up. Here in California there's a new radio station called La Preciosa. It has
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Joseph,
Would you be willing to share the results of your DNA test with the group? I'd like to know whether you felt it was worth the money and trouble.
Also, I haven't heard anybody out their brag about their dark or short relatives. The more I learn about Mexican history, the more I value Indian characteristics and view them as attractive. The study of my family's genealogy has made me love and respect all my relatives equally, regardless of whether they turned out European, Indian, black, or Asian looking. In fact, the variety in their appearance serves to remind me just how mixed a race we are.
I hope there are others who feel the same way.
Alicia
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Sylvia,
welcome to the group. . .look don't let me bother you too much about the deadline. If April 15 approaches and you are not ready just email me directly (makas@...) let me know you are not ready and how much more time you'll need and you will be "spared" the savageness of my axe swing. I
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Sylvia, If you need, in posting your information, or in organizing. Just let the group know. Because, I am sure that there are many of us who can help you out. If you ancestors are from the Pinos, Zacatecas area. I would suggest, getting in touch with Rosario Ellis (she is a member of the group). I know that she has been doing research in the Pinos area. Thanks, Jonathan
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I in short am on the "bad girl" list for not yet posting my GEDOM Data as of yet. I just lost my mother in law and have been fighting one virus after another including, healing up my badly sprained ankle. This is my #3 attempt to use this thing right! I am descended from grandparents from Teocaltihe, Jalisco and Pinos, Zacactecas. I have travelled to both towns and collected substantial data and books from region. I have oral tradition of Judio customs from Zacatecas side whose journey to Merida, Yucatan was from Egypt. The family owned several cattle ranches, a hacienda in Pinos and meat markets throughout Jalisco, Aguacalientes and Zacatecas. The Los Altos, side which are in fact tall, 6 to 6'4" were artisans of leather.
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Gobernantes de Nueva Galicia y de Jalisco, 1531-1980 / Juan López 1979 Spanish Book 108 p. : ports ; 21 x 28 cm. Guadalajara, Jalisco : [s.n.], Get This Item
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Title: Gobernantes de Nueva Galicia y de Jalisco, 1531-1980 / Author(s): López, Juan. Publication: Guadalajara, Jalisco : [s.n.], Year: 1979 Description: 108 p. : ports ; 21 x 28 cm. Language: Spanish SUBJECT(S) Descriptor: Governors -- Mexico -- Jalisco -- Biography. Colonial administrators -- Mexico -- Biography. Note(s): "Esta edición ... consta de 100 ejemplares."--p. 5. Class Descriptors: LC: F1296 Responsibility: [Juan López]. Material Type: Biography (bio) Document Type: Book Entry: 19870306 Update: 19991208 Accession No: OCLC: 15278517 Database: WorldCat
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In a message dated 10/12/2004 03:58:55 p.m. Pacific Standard Time, aduarte@... writes:
I would be happy to share, but...could you please be more specific regarding names and dates.I have lots of data from all over Los Altos.
And like I had previously mentioned, there is no tangible evidence indicating that there were any French (which they really weren't) in Los Altos. They're just pure "Espan~oles."
By the way, I passed through Pegueros when I was down there last summer. I was staying in Capilla de Guadalupe and went to San Juan de los Lagos. The camion first went to Tepa, then from there it passed through Pegueros on its way to Jalos and then San Juan de los Lagos. Looked like a really nice little Pueblo
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My trip to Los Altos in 1993 was very much like yours (Mexico Jalisco, Los Altos-Tepetitlan, Pegueros) in that I found most of the people from that region very fair. My wife's family is from Pegueros/Tapitatlan, Jalisco. And of course, I stood out since I'm a moreno just like my late grandmother from Zacatecas, Zacatecas. The people from Tepatitlan and Pegueros were very cordial, nice, and accommodating, to me and my wife, and my children. Her uncle claimed their fairness can be attributed to the French influence left by the French back in the 1860s. But I corrected him on this. Most of the French troops in Mexico were not French but Germans (Hessians) that were hire by Napoleon to fight the Mexicans. I found no German or French names in either of the two towns. If any of group has information on any my wife's family names, Gutierrez, Padilla, Gonzalez, Casillas, from Los Altos, will you please share it. Thank you. Alberto Duarte Prieto. -----Original Message----- From
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Thanks Steven for this light you bring about Los Altos. My first visit to Los Altos was to Atotonilco in 1980 and I was surprised of many relatives on my Mom's side with blue and green eyes and blonde hair. Mostly the Abarcas. I was clear to me that the surname was spanish, but I was misled as this was mostly of French inheritance and I believed that for a long time. Recente research and conversations with some Abarcas and Valles living here in Los Angeles made me realize that the region was mostly inhabited by spanish people, and some indios and mestizos, of course. But nothing about French presence during Maximiliano's empire in Mexico in the 1860's. I recently had a conversation with my uncle Eliseo Valle (he is 95 years old) and lives in Whittier. He told me, and correct me if this is incorrect, that some Hacienda owners in Jalisco were attacked by the French and they moved to the Highlands running away from them and established in the region at that time (1860's). Looks like