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Dispensations and IM’s for San Luis Potosi can be found in the archives of the archdiocese of Morelia, Michoacan, click here.

Some of the rolls of film have been indexed at Valladolid Dispensas.

Good luck!
Manny Díez Hermosillo

Hi Manny in the book Silent Heritage by professor Richard Santos of the University of Texas he described a 1541 census of Guadalajara where Juan Michel Ordoñez states he is a native of the city of Genoa.He is mentioned on pages 81, 91 and 104. I've not corroborated nor verified the census or document.

Hola a todos, I've been away from the Nuestros Ranchos site for a while. I read in this posting about the Conquistador Diego de San Martín. A couple of years back I read in the book 'Who's who of the Conquistadors' by Lord Hugh Thomas where he mentions Diego de San Martín on page 235 as arriving in Mexico in 1518 with the Captain Juan de Grijalva expedition and signatory to the letter of the army. They met fierce resistance from the natives at Poncitlan and returned to Cuba. In 1519 he joined the Cortez expedition and returned to Mexico.

Manny, this is a fantastic find! Well done!

I am speechless. Does it say anywhere who Christobal's father is? I did not see it.

Thanks!

Sergio

Hola a Todos,

Manny,

Another fantastic find! I descend from Pedro Ruiz de Haro and Leonor Arias through their daughter Francisca de Arias cc Alvaro de Bracamontes. Very cool to take this family back a few more generations.

If you look at the testimony of Bernabe Garcia, here - second paragraph on the first page, you can see that he calls out: ... y que a Juan Bautista de Haro hermano del dicho Pedro Ruiz de Haro que dijo aver conocido en Peñaranda de Duero.... There's only one Peñaranda de Duero which, as you already pointed out, is located in Burgos.

Best,

Daniel Serna Valencia

Marriage record of José María Quesada and Francisca Ríos.

https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…

Marriage record of Francisca Rios and Bartolo Quesada:

https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…

A marriage wasn’t Considered a marriage until the couple “slept” together. If something happened that prevented Francisca Rios and Bartolo from sleeping together then the marriage was said to have not been consummated.

I think this is a noble cause. Sign me up. I am willing to help.

Best,

Erik Andrés Reynoso.

1)- Rollo “Hrolfr” “Rolf” “Rollon” “Rollo the Viking” “Rollo the Walker” “Rollo Normandy” nació in 860 ad y murio entre 928 ad y 933 ad. Rollo es uno de los más importantes Vikingos en historia. Rolls es antepasado de muchas casas reales en Europa. Rollo y Poppa procreáron a Guillaume “William Longsword.”

2)- Guillaume, “William Longsword”, (Guillaume Longue-Épée en frances) Lord of the Normans. Guillaume nacio en 893, fue asasinado 17/December/942. El controlo Normandía desde 927 hasta su muerte. Guilluame y Sprota procreán a Richard I “the Fearless”.

3)- Richard I “the Fearless”, Duke of Normandy , Richard I y su padre crecieron los terrenos de Normandy. Richard I y Gunnora procrearon Richard II “The Good”

4)- Richard II “The Good”, Duke of Normandy, nacio 23/August/963 y murió 28 August 1026. Richard II procreáro a Robert I.

5)- Robert I “the Magnificent”, Duke of Normandy Robert I procrearo a Guillermo I.

6)- Guillermo I, El Conquistador, nació en 1028, reinó en Inglaterra desde el 1066 hasta el 1087, sepultado en Caen, Francia. Guillermo I, casó con Matilde de Flandes, hija de Balduino V, Conde de Flandes y procrearon nueve hijos, uno de ellos: Enrique I.

7)- Enrique I, nació en 1070 y murio 1035, sucedió su hermano como rey. (Su hermano murió en 1100 de un accidental y cuestionable flechazo en una cacería.) Enrique fue rey hasta 1035. Enrique I se casó el 6 de agosto de 1100, en Westminster, con Edith Matilde, princesa escocesa, Desciende de King Alfred the Great, nacida en el 1080, en Dunfermline. Hija de Malcolm III Canmore, rey de Escocia y Santa Margarita. Casi no dejaron a Edith Matilde casarse. Se convocó a un concilio especial de la iglesia para asegurarse de que Edith Matilde no había hecho votos como monja. Su testimonio enfático logró convencerlos que ella no había hecho votos como monja. Procrearon dos hijos, El Príncipe Guillermo y Matilde de Inglaterra.

Sin embargo, la corona pasó a un primo, otro descendiente colateral de Guillermo, El Conquistador, quien la retuvo por 19 años.

8)- Matilde de Inglaterra, la hija de Enrique I, nacida e en 1102, Londres, casó en segundas nupcias el 22/May/1127, con Godofredo V Plantagenet (1113-1151), Conde de Anjou. Procrearon tres hijos, uno de los cuales, se convertiría en Henry II, retomando de nuevo la línea sucesoral del trono de Inglaterra. Este sobresaliente monarca reinó desde 1154 hasta 1189.

9)- Henry II Plantagenet, King of England,(1133-1189), casó el 18/May/1152, con Eleanor of Aquitaine, hija de Guillermo X, Duque de Aquitania. Los hijos de esta pareja se mezclaron con todas las casas reales europeas de la época. Procrearon siete hijos, siendo uno de ellos Leonor de Plantagenet.

10)- Leonor de Plantagenet (1156-1214), la hija del Monarca inglés Enrique II, casó en 1177, en Burgos, España, con Alfonso VIII, Rey de Castilla (1155-1214). Alfonso VIII es hijo de Sancho III, Rey de Castilla y Blanca de Navarra. Procrearon seis hijos, entre ellos a Berenguela, Infanta de Castilla.

11)- Berenguela, Infanta de Castilla (1180-1246), casó en Dec/1197, en Valladolid, con Alfonso IX, Rey de León (1171-1230). Procrearon a Fernando III, (San Fernando)

12)- Fernando III, Rey de Castilla y León “San Fernando” (1201-1252), casó el 30/Nov/1219, en Burgos, Francia, con Beatriz (Elizabeth Von Hohenstaufen) de Suabia, quien a su vez era hija de Felipe de Suabia. Este monarca unificó para siempre Castilla y León. Además jugó un papel preponderante en la reconquista de España en manos de los moros. Procrearon tres hijos, entre ellos, quien mantendría la corona, Alfonso X, más conocido como Alfonso, El Sabio.

13)- Alfonso X, (El Sabio) nació el 23/Nov/1221, en Toledo y falleció en 1284, en Sevilla, España. Tuvo varios matrimonios, llevándose a cabo uno de ellos el 26 de noviembre de 1248, con Violante de Aragón, hija de Jaime I de Aragón y de Violante de Hungría, nació en 1236, en Zaragoza y falleció en 1301, en Roscesvalles, Navarra, España. Procrearon once hijos, siendo uno de estos Fernando de la Cerda, Infante de Castilla.

14)- Fernando de la Cerda, Infante de Castilla, nació el 23/Oct/1255, en Valladolid y falleció el 25/July/ 1275, en Ciudad Real. Casó el 30/Nov/1269, en Burgos, con Blanca Capeto de Francia (1252-1320), quien era hija del rey de Francia Luis IX. Tuvieron dos hijos, siendo uno de ellos Alfonso de la Cerda Infante de Castilla.

15)- Alfonso de la Cerda, Infante de Castilla (1270-1334), casó con Mahalda Brienne-EU y procrearon a Luís de la Cerda, Infante de Castilla.

16)- Luís de la Cerda, Infante de Castilla, nació en 1291, Francia. Casó con Leonor de Guzmán en el 1306, en Sevilla. Luís de la Cerda, falleció el 5/July/1348, en La Motte-Sur-Rhone, Francia. Procrearon a Juan de la Cerda.

17)- Juan de la Cerda(1327-1357), nació en Sevilla. Juan de la Cerda y Sol Martínez procrearon a Martín González de la Cerda. En el testamento de Leonor Guzman ella deja un dinero para Sol Martinez y escribe que ella esta embarazada por su hijo Juan de la Cerda.

18)- Martín González de la Cerda, casó en el 1366, con Violante Alvarez Pereyra, hija ilegítima de Alvaro Gonçalves Pereira, Obispo de Braga. Genealogos no están de acuerdo de la madre de Violante. Los que dicen que es hermana completa de Nuñez Álvarez Pereira dicen que es hija de Iría Gonçalves de Carvahal. Algunos genealogos dicen que es hija de Martinha Domínguez. Pero Violante fue conocida mas como hermana completa de Nuñez Alvarez Pereira, más conocido somo “San Nuño de Santa Maria” y como “el Protector de Portugal.” Martin y Violante procrearon a Mahalda de la Cerda.

19)- Mahalda de la Cerda, nació en ca. 1370, casó con Fernán Gutiérrez de Valverde y procrearon a María Gutiérrez de Valverde de la Cerda.

20)- María Gutiérrez de Valverde de la Cerda, murió 1464, casó con Gonzalo Porcallo Morán y procrearon a María Moran de la Cerda.

21)- Maria Moran de la Cerda, casó con Lorenzo Ulloa, Señor de Malgarrida, quien otorgó testamento y codicilo el 2/feb/1467. Lorenzo es hijo de Fernán Pérez de Ulloa Señor de Malgarrida y Gracia de Carvajal, vecinos de Cáceres, Fernán dio poder para testar a sus hijos el 11/Dec/1450. Lorenzo y Maria procrearon a Leonor de la Cerda.

22)- Leonor de la Cerda, casó con Balthazar Mendoza, hijo de Juan Pantoja y Elvira Alvarez de Mendoza. (Elvira es hija de Alfonso Duran Mendoza y Aldonza Vasquez de Sandoval. Filiación que consta en la carta de dote otorgada a favor de Juan Pantoja, el 3/Aug/1431) Balthazar y Leonor procrearon a Juan Pantoja.

23)- Juan Pantoja, conquistador, casó con Catalina Medina, hija de Domingo Medina. Juan y Catalina procrearon a Bernardina Mendoza.

24)- Bernardina Mendoza, casó con Gonzalo Nuñez de Sotomayor y procrearon a Juana Nuñez de Sotomayor.

25)- Juana Nuñez de Sotomayor, casó en 1573 con Diego Ochoa Garibay y procrearon a Francisca Ochoa de Garibay.

26)- Francisca Ochoa de Garibay casó con Juan De la Mora y procrearon a Fernando De la Mora Mendoza.

27)- Fernando De la Mora Mendoza, casó 27/Nov/1613 con Maria Zamora y procrearon a Juan De la Mora, Capitán.

28)- Juan De La Mora, Capitán, nació Jun/1656 casó con Leonor Gutiérrez de Hermosillo y procrearon a Juan de la Mora Mendoza.

29)- Juan Maria de la Mora De Mendoza y Margarita Martin del Campo y procrearon a Miguel De La Mora

30)- Miguel de la Mora se caso el 31/Jan/1752 In Jalostotitlan con Maria Petra de Hermosillo Y procrearon a Juan María De La Mora

31)- Juan Maria de la Mora y Juana Gertrudis Gallegos y procrearon a Maria Gregoria Gertrudis De la Mora

32)- Maria Gregoria Gertrudis De la Mora y Antonio Aceves Casillas y procrearon a José de la Merced Aceves De la Mora

34)- José Modesto Aceves Navarro y Maria Guadalupe Martin del Campo y procrearon a Maria Concepcion Aceves Martin del Campo

35)- Maria Concepcion Aceves Martin del Campo y Jose Gonzalez Martin y procrearon a Juan Jose Gonzalez Aceves

36)- Juan Jose Gonzalez Aceves y Maria Raquel Gonzalez Barba

37)-

38)- Carlos Tapia Gonzalez

Rick A.Ricci

Welcome to nuestrosranchos Carlos,

I am a distant cousin of yours though many of the names that you mentioned that you are researching. The closest relationships are through the Barba and Martin. I also descend from Jose Toribio Muñoz de la Barba and Juana Gertrudis Villaseñor y Franco.

Here is your descent from King Henry II of England and Queen Eleanore of Aquitane (Queen of England and France)

1)Henry II King of England and Eleanor of Aquitane Queen of England
2 Eleonore de Inglaterra, princesa de inglaterra and Alfonso VIII rey de Castilla
3 Berenguela de Castilla and Alfonso IX rey de Leon
4 San Fernando III rey de Castilla and Beatriz de Suavia ( Elizabeth Hohenstaufen)
5 Alfonso X Fernandez and Yolanda Aragon
6 Fernando infante de Castilla and Blanca de Francia Capet
7 Alfonso de la Cerda and Mahalda de Brienne
8 Luis de la Cerda, infante de Castilla and Leonor Alfonso de Guzman
9 Juan de la Cerda and Sol Martinez
10 Martin Gonzalez de Cerda and Violante Alvarez Pereira
11 Mahalda de la Cerda y Fernan Gutierrez de Valverde
12 Mari Gutierrez de Valverde y de la Cerda and Gonzalo Porcallo De Morán
13 Beatriz Moran and Lorenzo Ulloa
14 Leonor Ulloa De la Cerda and Balthazar Mendoza Pantoja
15 Juan Pantoja Mendoza, conquistador and Catalina Medina (daughter of Domingo Medina)
16 Bernardina Hurtado de Mendoza Pantoja Ulloa (b. about 1533) and Gonzalo Nuñez de Sotomayor (Bernardina’s sister María was baptized 9/Feb/1541 - (Sagrario Metropolitano) - Ciudad de México,
17 Juana Nuñez de Sotomayor and Diego Ochoa Garibay
18 Francisca Ochoa Garibay and Juan de la Mora Mendoza
18 Fernando de la Mora y Mendoza and Maria de Zamora
19 Juan de la Mora nació /Jun/1656 Tlazazalca (Michoacán) and Leonor Gutierrez de Hermosillo.
20 Juan de la Mora H. De Mendoza and Margarita Martin del Campo
21 Miguel de la Mora se caso el 31/Jan/1752 In Jalostotitlan con Maria Petra de Hermosillo.
22 Juan Maria de la Mora and Juana Gertrudis Gallegos
23 Maria Gregoria Gertrudis de la Mora and Antonio Aceves Casillas
24 José de la Merced Aceves De la Mora and María Guadalupe Navarro Aceves
25 José Modesto Aceves Navarro and María Guadalupe Martin Del Campo
26 Maria Concepcion Aceves Martin del Campo and Jose Gonzalez Martin
27 Jose Alfonso Gonzalez Aceves and Maria Raquel Gonzalez Barba
28
29 Carlos Tapia Gonzalez

Rick A. Ricci
Source: my book Mygenes2000

Hi there,

By any chance would you have any information on my ancestor Nicolas Ballin who married Victoria De Sotomayor who married in Aguascalientes in 1663?

Hello everyone,

This is my first post to Nuestros believe it or not, but I have huge questions and hope you can help. My 9th great grandparents are Francisco de Albarado/Alvarado and Francisca Ruis de Esparsa who were married on 01 November 1675 in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Mexico. I have their marriage record which states no parents. I have tried to find the informational marriage record but am having trouble.

Does anyone know how Francisca fits into the Ruis y de Esparsa family? Also does anyone know Francisco Albarado's family?

Sincerely,

Norberto Menchaca Morales III

Hi George,

The names read Diego Vallin son of Geronimo Vallin and Francisca de Herrera. There seems to be a connection with the grandmother and grandaughter in this case. Now I am wondering who are the parents of Geronimo Vallin and Francisca de Herrera. Would you happen to have more info on this Andres Sandoval (Sandoval Moscoso?).

Thanks,

Daniel

George, Armando, Jaime, Daniel, and all

I'm still confused about this Vallin family, and have several questions and some additions:

Re marriage entry of Domingo Yriarte and Francisca de Esparza, in the margin she is called Isabel, in the body she is Francisca. Does this make a difference? Is it a mistake or is there another sister named Isabel?

Re children of Diego Vallin and Mariana de Sandi:
Could Dona Francisca de Herrera be the same person as Fransisca Valli, bap Sep 1639?
(Fran.ca. hija de Diego Valli and Maria de Sandi, in Bau Ags Ags 1616-1660, Image 85). Or this is a different family altogether?

Their son Bartolome was baptized 3 Oct 1656, in Ags.
(Bartolome, esp, hijo de Diego Balli y Mariana de Sandi, bap Oct 1656, Image 210).

Bartolome married Teresa Nunes; their son Visente Anastasio was baptized in Aguas also. (Visente Anastacio, esp, hl de Bartolome Valli y Teresa Nunes, bap 13 Mar 1685, Ags, 1684-1691, Image 24).

Diego Vallin and Francisca de Esparza's daughter, Petra, was born about 1666.
Petra, esp, 7 years old, hija lexitima de Diego Vallin y Francisca Ruis Esparsa, died in Ags, 28 May 1673 (Ags, Sag, Def, 1620-1701, Image 129)

Gloria Delgado

George,
Diego Vallin and Francisca de Esparza had at least another child, a girl named Petra, who died as an infant and was burried 28 May 1673.

Jaime Alvarado

Hi George,
This is a huge find for all of us. I have not had too much time to investigate all the testamentos I would like, but every now and then information such as this creates more and more curiosity. Especially, this case with all these Francisca Ruiz de Esparza. One thing is for sure. The daughter of Salvador ruiz de Esparza and Maria de Vielma, Francisca Ruiz de Esparza married Diego Vallin.
Diego Vallin was son of Jeronimo Vallin and Francisca de Herrera, surely a relative of the other Herrera around there, not sure how. He married Mariana Carrillo de Sandi daughter of Capt. Juan Marin de Penalosa and Da. Maria Carrillo de Sandi.
Their kids Da. Drancisca de Herrera who married Andres Vasquez de Sandoval y Moscoso and Bartolome Vallin. Then he marries Francisca ruiz de Esparza and has two more kids Nicolas Vallin and the latter Antonia de Esparza.
I still have issues with the other Francisca de Esparza who married Domingo de Yriarte.
The Vallin genealogy still needs to be further and professionally researched by true genealogist. I have seen to many errors, etc. Although Vallin is of French origin and seems to spead into Spain and England around the XVI century.
Let's go to work,
Daniel Mendez Camino

Hello! It says "cruz baja". Depending on how much money someone paid for a burial it could have "cruz alta", apparently quite expensive and for people who had money and a good social status, which was a ceremony with all due respect and mournful symbols. Cruz baja was the standard burial (I suppose "en fábrica de dos pesos" would mean that was the price they paid), while "de limosna" was a burial made with no charges due to the lack of resources the family of the deceased had. I hope this helps!

Helllo! Well, it's a little confusing, but what I understand... is that Juan de Herrera is asking Antonio Díaz to pay 20 horses that he promised because they had an arrangement made after Antonio Díaz jr. stole his daughter Barbara promising to marry her, but then he didn't do it.

I found this research that may help. I too am a descendant of this family.

https://web.archive.org/web/20130517061824/http://perso.wanadoo.es/emed…

I believe Mariana Melendez is the following: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Meléndez-221

Manny Dominguez

Hello Tocayo.

García de Monroy Pizarro is the "tronco" on this dispensa matrimonial. (He is not listed in the dispensa).

Francisco de Monroy Pizarro and Leonor de la Cueva were father-only siblings. See pretensa's declaration "... por ser ambos Pretensos Nietos de dos hermanos legitimos, aunque solo de parte Paterna ...".

Francisco de Monroy Pizarro is the son of Luisa de León and Leonor de la Cueva is the daughter of María de la Cueva.

Fernando Martínez de Sotomayor was the son of Antonio Martínez de Sotomayor and María Valenzuela according to his dispensa - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18413-9191-35?cc=1874591&wc=…

Fernando's brother, Joseph Antonio, also had a dispensa which mentions in more detail their ancestors -
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18410-40916-67?cc=1874591

Antonio Martínez de Sotomayor was the son of Andrés Martín de Sotomayor y González who married Beatriz de Mayorga 13 June 1666 in Aguascalientes. She was the daughter of Alvaro Marín de Peñaloza and Isabel de Mayorga
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12446-30193-28?cc=1502404&…

Andrés Martín de Sotomayor y González was the son of Andrés Martín de Sotomayor and María González de Islas y Moctezuma.

Andrés Martín de Sotomayor was the son of Andrés Martín Camacho and María de las Ruelas o Sotomayor.

Alvaro Marín de Peñaloza was the son of Juan Marín de Peñaloza and María de Sandi.

María de Sandi was the daughter of Álvaro Carrillo and María Álvarez de Sandi

Alvaro Marín de Peñaloza and Isabel de Mayorga had a daughter named Isabel de Mayorga that married Gabriel López de Nava y González de Ruvalcaba 18 may 1657 in Aguascalientes.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-50419-18?cc=1410092

Gabriel López and Isabel de Mayorga had Gabriel López who married Nicolasa Petronila Valenzuela and they had Isabel Rosaura López the wife of Joseph Miguel Romo de Vivar and, in a second marriage, of Joseph Antonio Martínez de Sotomayor y Valenzuela.

That same Isabel Rosaura López was the mother of Isabel Gertrudis Romo de Vivar, the wife of Fernando Martinez de Sotomayor y Valenzuela.

Armando

Aunque su pregunta ya tiene tiempo aqui, esta tarde la encontre mientras exploro lo que hay sobre la familia Cabral de Jerez. Por mi parte he realizado muchas búsquedas sobre Cabral, con muy buenos resultados a veces y otras no tanto. Una de las dificultades estriba en los libros perdidos o dañados que lamentablemente no son pocos en Jerez. Pero no todo está perdido. Por mi parte no he encontrado ningún registro fehaciente respecto de una Juana Cabral hija de Domingo Cabral y Ana Catalina Pinedo Caldera. Pero eso no significa que no haya tenido una hija con ese nombre. De hecho es muy probable e incluso se trate de su hija mayor. Hay una nota muy reveladora en la página 13 del documento que menciono al final, donde se lee: Antonio, hijo de Matías Lozano y Juana Cabral. Esta anotación está en las primeras páginas del registro de bautizos y entierros que parece ser el más antiguo que se conserva en Jerez y que parece ser del año 1648. Las primeras páginas muestran un deterioro notable y por lo tanto es notable que a pesar de eso aún se puedan leer. Estas primeras páginas son una especie de índice del contenido del libro, en el que luego podemos comprobar dichos registros que el índice solo menciona. En esas primeras páginas hay muchas menciones a Domingo Cabral y su esposa, a veces referida como Ana Caldera, Ana Pinedo, Catalina Caldera o Catalina Pinedo, cosas de la época y en este caso sabemos, gracias sobre todo a la investigación de Salvador Cabral Valdez, que se trata de Ana Catalina Pinedo Caldera. Por la ubicación de la nota tiendo a pensar que se trata de una hija mayor, pues ahi está registrando a su hijo Antonio Lozano Cabral. Obviamente el esposo de esta Juana Cabral no es Fabían de Avila. Sea porque este último haya sido su segundo esposo o incluso porque se trate de otra Juana Cabral y no de la que usted pregunta. En otra linea tambien se lee: ...hija de Domingo Cabral... pero el nombre es ilegible pues está en un segmento de la hoja roto, en otra lineas claramente se mencionan otros hijos de Domingo: Francisca, Cristóbal, Juan y Lorenzo. Por otra parte es interesante notar que en el Padrón de Jerez de 1649, cuando se llega al registro de la Familia de Domingo Cabral y Catalina Caldera solo se mencionan 8 hijos de ellos, que ya es algo, pero entre ellos no hay ninguna Juana, en cambio aparece Ana, viviendo con su esposo Joseph Sánchez y luego solo aparecen dos hijas más, doncellas: Francisca e Isabel, y 5 hijos menores. Pero es claro que Domingo pudo muy bien tener una hija Juana, casada con Matías Lozano y uno de sus hijos fue Antonio Lozano Cabral y además otra hija, cuyo nombre es ilegible.

Saludo cordial
Jesus Cabral.

Este enlace la lleva a la página 11 de dicho documento en family search (abre en pestaña nueva):

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-GHSZ-X8?i=10&cc=1804458

Thanks a lot!!! I am trying to find an ancestor that came around 1588. I will try!

Thank you so much for the instructions! :-)

Hemos visto Sebastián Vasquez casado con “Luisa” con diferentes apellidos. Tenemos a Luisa Villaseñor, Luisa Maciel, y Luisa Liebano. Mi pregunta es si esta “Luisa”Es la misma persona? En otra acta de Anna Vasquez ella lleva el apellido de “Vasquez De Lara” entonces sabemos que estamos hablando de los Vasquez De Lara.

En la dispensa de matrimonio de Domingo Ortiz de Bracamonte y Barbara Infante se descubre que son primos terceros porque los dos son descendientes de Sebastián Vasquez y Luisa Villaseñor.

1)Sebastian Vasquez y Luisa Villaseñor son padres de
2a)- Lorenzo Vasquez y
2b)- Juan Vasquez
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La línea del primer hermano Lorenzo
2a)- Lorenzo Vasquez y Micaela Ortis son padres de
3a)- Anna Vasquez De Lara que se casó con José Ortis (Hortiz) Bracamonte y ellos procrearon a
4a)- Marcos Ortiz (Hortis) Bracamonte. El se casó con Maria Antonia Gonzalez Y procrearon a
5a)- Domingo Ortiz Bracamonte quien se casó Con su prima tercera Barbara Infante

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La segunda línea es la descendencia de Juan Vasquez hasta la novia
2b)- Juan Vasquez se casó con Maria Garcia y ellos procrearon a
3b)- Josefa Vasquez y ella se caso con José Sanchez y ellos procrearon a
4b)- Juana Sánchez y ella se casó con Diego Ynfante y ellos procrearon a
5b)- Barbara Infante y ella se casó con su primo tercero Domingo Ortiz Bracamonte

La acta está aquí:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6V83-7?i=473&wc=125127…

Gracias,
Ricardo A. Ricci

Del testamento de Angelina García, esposa en segundas nupcias con Juan de Arrona, se ve claramente que Ana García esposa de Martín Vázquez Zermeño no era hija de Juan de Arrona, sino de Martín García, primer esposo de Angelina.

Esta dispensa confirma la cuestion de Ana Gomez de Portugal como hija de Diego Gomez de Portugal y Maria Garcia de Arrona al ser Ana hermana de Catalina Lopez de Portugal

"Lagos de Moreno, Jal. Abril 26 de 1703. Exp. 79.- Dispensa de tercero grado de consanguinidad.- Don Esteban de Anda Altamirano, español de 40 años de edad originario y vecino de esta Villa de Santa Maria de los Lagos, viudo de Josefa Moreno de Ortega, hijo legitimo del Cap. Pedro de Anda Altamirano y de Doña Catalina Saenz de Vidaurre, difuntos; con Doña Ines de Pedroza Marmolejo, vecina de la feligresia de la Villa de San Felipe, Obispado de Michoacan, hija legitima del Cap. Juan de Pedroza Marmolejo y de Doña Geronima de Hierro, difuntos. Declaración del pretenso: Porque Catarina Lopez de Portugal y Ana de Portugal fueron hermanas, y la dicha Catarina Lopez de Portugal, tuvo por su hijo al Cap. Pedro de Anda Altamirano, y la dicha Ana de Portugal, al Cap. Juan de Pedraza Marmolejo, y el dicho Cap. Pedro de Anda Altamirano, me tuvo por su hijo, y el dicho Juan de Pedraza Marmolejo, tuvo por su hija a la pretensa. Y las causas que me motivan a solicitar dicho matrimonio son el de hallarme con cinco hijas doncellas y dos hijos pequeños."

Miguel Beltran

Juan Vazquez De Zermeño (Uno de los primeros pobladores de Jalostotitlán) fue hijo de Martin Vazquez de Zermeño y de Ana Garcia de Arrona o Garcia de Miranda, hija ella de Juan de Arrona(El escribano autor del acta de la fundación de Santa Maria de los Lagos )y de su esposa Angelica o Angela Garcia de Miranda.

Martin Vazquez de Zermeño (Y Gil de Lara?) y Ana Garcia De Arrona fueron padres tambien de:

Cristobal Vazquez de Lara (el primero con este nombre).
Felipe Vazquez de Lara.
Baltazar Vazquez de Lara.

Tengo en mis notas (aunque sin fuente fidedigna) tambien a: Leonor, Angelina, magdalena y Mariana todas ellas Vazquez de lara.

Acerca Martin Vazquez de Zermeño no encuentro fuentes, aunque en algunas paginas web se menciona como hijo de Juan Vazquez y Elvira Gil de Lara nacido en la ciudad de Mexico hacia 1575, que citan com fuenta "investigaciones de Jaime Holcombe " y segun otros era "peninsular"

Miguel Beltran

Hi Rose:

Thanks for sharing the document you found what a source! I have seen her as Ulibarri or Olibarri de la Cueva.
Their oldest son Alonso was baptized 22 January 1645 in Compostela who would become the I Conde de Miravalle
and a Caballero de Santiago.

Maria's husband Pedro de Avalos y Bracamonte was baptized in Guadalajara 15 May 1615.

I was once told that since Compostela was the capital of Nueva Galicia many people all over
would go there so this might explain why so many people from all over are found in Compostela.
This could be where pre 1600 Aguascalientes baptisms may exist or Guadalajara. Maybe marriages
too.

Thanks again for sharing,

Daniel Méndez Camino

Thanks Rose,

I guess we should all provide this type of information. While most of my
research is focused on Nochistlan, quite often some of the records are for
people from Juchipila, Jalpa, Yahualica, Mexticacan, Teocaltiche and
Aguascalientes and it would also be helpful to provide the time span and the
film #.

Alicia,
San Jose, Ca

________________________________
From: "rosehardy@hotmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 8:51:23 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Da Maria de Olibarri the wife of Dn Pedro de Abalos
Bracamonte 1666

Hello Group,

Sorry I've been out of touch with the group, but I've been researching elsewhere
in Mexico this past year. As of late I have been doing research in Nayarit
working on my Rios Californio line. For the past few weeks I've been reading
Tepic burials and in the past week Compostela burials.

Tonight I found Da Maria de Olibarri, the wife of Dn Pedro de Abalos (Davalos)
Bracamonte. The document can be found on image 10 Compostela, Nayarit Entierros
1663-1797. This family is from Guadalajara from what I can tell from the other
information I've found. The document lists their 7 children, Alo (Alfonso I
believe), Francisca, Nicolas, Pedro, Leonor, Diego and Madgalena. Maria was
buried in 1666.

While searching Tepic and Compostela burials I'm coming across a lot of people
from Guadalajara, a few from Aguascalientes, Nochitlan, and a few from Jalos.
Just giving you all a heads up.

Hope this helps....

Rose Gonzales-Hardy

Does anyone know how/if Pedro de Avalos Bracamonte might be related to Domingo Ortiz Bracamonte, who was married to Antonia (Flores de) Aréchiga? They are my 8th gg-grandparents and all I know is that they were from Cocula de Avalos and ended up in Mexticacan.

Any leads would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Great information Manny. This seems to settle it.

Danny

I had previously stated that I didn’t descend from Alonso Estrada and his wife. What I should have said was that I had not found him in my ancestral lines. Today I discovered that my wife and I both descend from Alonso Estrada and his wife Marina Gutierrez De la Cavalleria.

Rick A. Ricci

About six months ago I worked on the genealogy of my oldest sister’s mother-in-law. I had previously worked on my sister’s father-in-law’s family tree many many years ago, but had not worked on her mother-n-law’s family. I was surprised to discover many interesting stories on her mother-in law’s relatives as they were also deeply involved in Mexican Politics. It turns out that this research now connects to my research on Alonso Estrada. Today I discovered that an illegitimate son of King Ferdinand II of Aragon is an ancestor of Enrique, who is a second cousin of my brother-in-law. The two families merged together into the same picture.

I immediately thought that if we were to compare the dna from Enrique to Manny Hermosillo, who is a descendant of Alonso Estrada, then we could finally prove with dna that Alonso Estrada was king Ferdinand II’s illegitimate son. I even sent an email to Enrique asking him to provide his dna so that we could compare it to a descendant of Alonso Estrada. The problem is that after sending the email, it hit me that the dna comparison is going to be complicated because Luisa Estrada’s mother, who is repeatedly related to King Ferdinand II, is also related to the wife of the other illegitimate son of King Ferdinand II as they all descend from King Alfonso XI De Castilla

If Enrique and Manny both provide the dna results, then it would still be interesting to compare dna samples as they would both be related through the wives of the two illegitimate sons of King Ferdinand II. But because of this connection, it would not prove descent from King Ferdinand II. I presently believe that in order to prove the relationship of Alonso Estrada to king Ferdinand, we need to also compare a line that descends from another descendant of King Ferdinand II that is not so closely related to Luisa Estrada’s mother.

Rick A. Ricci

These inquest records supported by some researchers are in constant dispute.

Ricci has shared great examples of why. This is what we know from the inquest records we have someone trying to prove their purity of blood of neither Moor nor Jew.

In doing this he would have to prove he wasn't from Jewish descent decades upon decades later. There is no one alive from this time who really knew his relatives. Tall order. Here is something else he would have to prove; he had to prove he had a credible witness which even the inquest was not satisfied he had done.

The witness according to the entries was cited repeatedly by the inquisition that she was very old, blind, and could not remember but thought her relatives told her that the mother was was a so and so, perhaps Oliver. The witness upon inquiry continues to repeat she really didn't know she couldn't remember.

When asked if there was Jewish blood she again resorts to I don't know, I don't remember , I couldn't say. We have to remember this witness is working on behalf of a person trying to prove his purity of blood however LYING to the inquest would have been disastrous for her. Hiding Jews could be punishable.

This inquest record is weak at best, to prove his true line of descent. However from the records we can gather that even the witness could not even remember the names. There could also been some deception involved on the petitioners part in getting her to speak on his behalf. Surely he discussed it with her? Surely he knew she was blind and had memory loss. Surely she told him she did not remember and could not recall the names before he decided to request her as a witness? ;)

Perhaps the vague underpinnings of her testimony as unreliable as they were was better for him as his Jewish heritage could be neither confirmed or disputed. Instead his admittance would have to rely on his community standing and those who knew the petitioner well as being a pious Christian.

If so, getting her to testify was a stroke of genius.

My opinion is to disregard the inquest as proof. I would go over ALL stories and personal accounts of Don Alonso de Estrada that you can find. Go over all documents written about him and his relatives (Some are not scanned yet). Develop a personality profile of the man compare it to his rivals. This will help you build a larger picture of the society in which he lived, his motivations and how people interacted with Alonso.

I too do not believe in the "rags to riches" mythos. It would be near impossible that lower nobility could have risen to his ranks given the economic caste system even within the aristocracy. It would be equally shocking that Cortez would not have tried to kill him.

Cortez did not have a problem killing lesser nobles he killed his own wife! It rocked the New World. His wife was a high standing aristocrat with high ranking noble parents. There were even witnesses that immediately came that attested that he was in the room with her when she was screaming and her necklace was ripped from her neck when they found her dead. Cortez thought nothing of doing this to a high ranking lesser noble and got away with it in court.

The fact Alonso was appointed to oversee Cortez says a tremendous amount about how the court/ King viewed Cortez. They needed to keep him in line and Alonso was the way to make sure he did stay in line. In turn Cortez loathed and despised Alonso. In fact Cortez got so out of line Alonso threatened him and said "I am the son of the King!" you will obey. Cortez known for going after rivals noble or not, backed down.

Let that sink in. :D

This is why it is important to read as much as you can and create a profile of each individual taking full account of mores of the day. This in turn I believe creates a bigger picture and a better understanding of what is really going on in the records.

I hope this helps

Rags to riches stories involve skill, talent, work, or luck. Usually it will involve all of them. Alonso Estrada was a violent, aggressive man. He became treasurer because his nephew, Charles V, appointed him. Charles V took care to set up both of his illegitimate uncles, Alonso Estrada and Alfonso d’Aragon.

Alonso Estrada was born to privilege and acted like it. I don’t know of any non royal family member arriving with 12 of their own household slaves during this age. He was not a capable administrator and did not make it to the level that he did on his own merits. If he had been a son of Juan Fernandez Estrada then he would had to work a little harder on his personal and diplomatic skills. His maternal grandfather, Juan Fernandez Estrada, was a very talented man, with top diplomatic skills. His maternal grandfather’s brother also had excellent diplomatic skills as he too was an ambassador. The brothers were negotiators, deal makers.

If Alonso was not King Ferdinand’s son than why would they pay him almost twice what they paid Cortez when Alonso was just a treasurer.

Alonso Estrada was not very good at managing money even though he was a treasurer and eventually lost most of his money.

When my mother told me that we were related to Santo Toribio she said that he was my grandfather’s second cousin. My research shows him to be a third cousin. My mother often claims someone is more closely related than they are. When my mother claimed that both of my grandfather’s were closely related through through their Franco lines because both of them had mothers from the same Franco family, she was mistaken. Yes, they both had mothers that had the surname Franco, but the Francos were two branches that were not closely related. My dad and maternal grandmother were third cousins, but my mother had not known of that relationship. My mom mistakenly claimed that my first cousin Yvonne married her second cousin. It was not true, but they are third cousins. It is only through solid research that I have been able to find the exact relationships. When they did the genealogical investigation of Alonso Estrada for the first dispensation they asked someone like my mother who claimed a closer relationship than she actually had with Alonso Estrada. The person that she stated was Alonso Estrada’s father is not a close biological relative of Alonso Estrada. The person mentioned as Alonso’s father in the second dispensation has different parents than the parents mentioned in the first dispensation. There is no way that the paternal ancestry discussed in the two dispensations line up. The second dispensation does identify the correct Estrada family, but I repeat what I wrote earlier in this blog, Juan Fernandez Estrada is his maternal grandfather, and his first wife is well known and came from a family that was closely related to King Ferdinand II “el Catolico” and to the Villaseñor family that immigrates to Nueva Galicia. We know that the second dispensation does identify the correct Estrada line because it identifies juan Fernandez Estrada as the second son of the two brothers that moved from Asturias to Ciudad Real. The two brothers were both diplomats who became ambassadors for King Ferdinand II. Some genealogists have mistakenly claimed that juan’s brother, or their father is Alonso Estrada’s father. Or they mistakenly merge the brothers into one person. They also have mistakes as to the origin of this line of Estradas.

Rick A. Ricci
Source: mygenes2000

Juan Fernandez Estrada, Alonso Estrada’s maternal grandfather and his brother were both ambassadors for King Ferdinand of Aragon. Many historians and genealogists have confused the two, or merged them into one person. But they are definitely two people. Juan Fernandez Estrada was the ambassador to the Vatican. Juan was sent to the Vatican immediately after the expulsion of the moors from Granada.

Both of the brothers had a lot of power as they both had King Ferdinand’s ear. Juan’s brother exercised a lot power in his assignments, and his descendants continued working for the future kings of Spain exercising much influence.

Rick A. Ricci
Source Mygenes2000

The biggest scandal in the Estrada family was not Alonso Estrada and Catalina Gutierrez Cavalleria ‘s descendants’ inquisition trials, nor was it Luisa having a child out of wedlock with King Ferdinand of Aragon. The biggest Estrada family scandal happened in the late. 1500’s and early 1600’s. The misdeeds were committed by a great grandson of Juan Fernandez Estrada’s brother. This Estrada family member wrote about his scandalous behavior, letting the world know about his misdeeds. He wrote he killed his bethrowed and a friend in a jealous tantrum when he found them together in a room. His fiancé was also the daughter of his cousin. He then escaped justice when a nun fell in love with him and helped him escape from his cell. He then traveled the old world, as a soldier for hire. He eventually settled down, became a monk and wrote his memoirs.

His books are supposed to be autobiographies, and most of what he has written is true but there is a little exaggeration because some of what he claims he did was done by his father. He has merged his and his father’s lives. His father helped him write the autobiographies. He was never an orphan. His father and mother were uncle and niece

Rick A. Ricci
Source Mygenes2000

Dear Manny,

There are portions of this family tree that are different than the other record. I believe that your finding of this record confirms my research on this family even though it clearly has some mistakes. This record correctly identifies that Alonso descends from the Juan Fernandez Estrada that was the second son the Estrada family that came over. The information that I have on on his parents and wives is concrete. The facts lead to Ambassador Juan Fernandez Estrada being Alonso Estrada’s maternal grandfather!and not his father. King Ferdinand is Alonso Estrada’s father.

King Ferdinand as an ancestor was not something many of his descendants were proud of because many of them were Jews. King Ferdinand’s expulsion of the Jews from Spain devastated many families.

Thanks again,
Rick A Ricci

A very important piece used to unraveling the mystery is the part where Juan Fernandez Estrada is identified as ““hijo segundo de la Casa de Estrada que bino de asturias a ciudad real”. This statement is the one that brings all the other puzzle pieces that I have collected together and positively identifies who it is that we are talking about.

Rick A. Ricci

Dear Manny,

Sorry to burst the bubble on the:

“It shows how a man can go from being a low-head-on-the-totem-pole holder of a señorio in Ciudad Real, to being governor of and one of the most powerful figures in one of the Crown’s newest acquisitions.”

It would have been a great “rags to riches” story, but Alonso Estrada was an illegitimate son of a king and the kings not-to-distant cousin so he had a major advantage from birth. He actually descended from royalty numerous times.

Rick A. Ricci
Source Mygenes2000

This limpieza and proof of nobility that appears to be dated 11 Dec 1608 is for a great-great granddaughter of Alonso de Estrada and Doña Marina Flores de la Caballeria. Much time has passed and information has been forgotten or intentionally changed. It is not uncommon for a great great grandchild to make an error when naming their great great grandparents. Juan Fernandez Estrada was her great great great grandfather and Luisa Estrada was her great great grandmother.

Juan Fernandez Estrada was an Hidalgo. The Hidalgo was not part of his surname. The Fernandez surname was because his father’s name was Fernando. He and his brother were close confidants of the King of Aragon, and served as ambassadors of Aragon to France and England. Juan’s mother came from the powerful Alvarez De Asturias family that also has royalty in their ancestry a couple of centuries back. Juan is married twice. His first wife is a cousin to the king as she descends from a brother of King Enrique II. Luisa Estrada is a daughter of Juan and his first wife. King Ferdinand and his distant cousin Luisa Estada are the parents of Alonso Estrada. He is given an immense salary, not for his service to the king, but because he is the king’s illegitimate son. Alonso is raised in the court of the king. His maternal cousins and nephews, descendants of Juan Fernandez Estrada’s brother, stay in Spain and provide a long history of service to the kings of Spain without the enormous salary that was given to Alonso.

The mythical family tree is the one in the limpieza. Diego Fernandez Hidalgo and Maria Gonzalez de Estrada are not the parents of Juan Fernandez Estrada. Part of the limpieza is correct. Juan Fernandez Estrada is ““the second son of the House of Estrada, who came from Asturias to Ciudad Real”. But neither of his two wives is named Luisa, Luisa is his daughter. Another mistake in the limpieza is the surname of Juan’s second wife. Her surname is not Oliver, it is Ulloa. Manny already pointed out another mistake in the purported family tree on the Gutierrez Cavalleria side of the family.

For those that don’t believe me, but insist that the limpiezas provide the correct genealogy, I have a book for sale that is an “antique” in pristine condition that purports to provide evidence of his ancestry due to the limpiezas. It would be a great addition to any library of someone that believes in the limpieza.

Rick A. Riccii
Source: book Mygenes2000

Dear Manny,

I owe you big time for the many times that you have helped me with my research. And this is another great find by you. However, I disagree that Juan Fernandez De Estrada is his father.

The genealogy that he was the son of The king seemed like a legend to me also. I even bought an original copy of the book that refutes that he was son of the king. Over the years I repeatedly stated that Juan Fernandez De Estrada was his father based on the argument put forward by this book. The problem is that when I researched the issue I discovered that it has some false information. This second genealogy that you found is based on the “ made up family tree “ that tried to hide that his mother was a mistress of the king. Her having an illegitimate child was an embarrassment to her family. Later on the family tried to hide its Jewish origins.

If juan Fernandez De Estrada is proven to be his father then this very old “book” that I have is worth some money. It is an original book and is in great shape even though it is not a hard cover book. So if Juan Fernandez De Estrada is his father I stand to make some money. There are only few copies of this book. Not only is it one of a few, I most likely have the one that is in the best condition since it does not have any folds or damage. The paper and ink used is proof of it being an original. It is in pristine condition.

Financially it would be great for me that Juan Fernandez De Estrada is his father, because then I would not feel guilty selling this book.

The Estrada family came from family with mixed old Christian and conversó ancestry. They were associated with the king. Alonso Estrada’s maternal grandfather was close to the king and a favorite of his. A member of the family married a distant cousin (not to distant as she descended from a brother of king Enrique Ii). The family was well paid. But the Kings favorite of the family was his illegitimate son, Alonso Estrada, that he had with the daughter of his friend. As the son of the king, Alonso was provided with a large annual salary, almost double the salary that was given to Hernan Cortez. This salary was large because he was the kings illegitimate son, and not because he was a treasurer. The other treasurers of the king did not receive anything near his salary.

Rick A. Ricci

According to Ancestry dna, I have genes from West Africa (Gambia Senegal and Guinea-Bissau - not the areas on the Gulf og Guinea) and southwest Africa (Cameroun, Angola, Namibia, Gabon, and Congo). In church records I have found ancestors noted as mulatto libre and at least one as mulatto esclavo. Very interesting for me!

Regards
Denise

That's very interesting although sad. I have also been surprised by the quantity of "esclavo" notes in the birth and marriages records in Mexico. Many are "libres", but not all, both "negros" and mulatos.