Me es muy grato el poder saludar de nuevo a Nuestros Ranchos, aquellos que colaboran con esta página y a todos los participantes en este foro.
Estimado Profesor Hurtado,
Muchas gracias por el mensaje y por mantenernos al tanto. Le agradezco mucho se haya tomado la molestia de continuar preguntando.
Sinceramente se lo agradezco
Saludos!
sus leniski
Hola prim@s,
Manny,
Do you mind posting the will your found for Rodrigo Olivares?
Alex
Great find Manny! Daniel Mendez Camino was the first to bring to my attention Toribio’s son Gabriel Sanchez. Gabriel’s sister, Marta Hurtado De Mendoza, married his wife’s brother, Juan Sanchez De Lara. In a secondary source I read that Toribio had a son named Cristobal, But this is the first time that I read about a primary source identifying him. I found Gabriel’s marriage record, but have no other information on him. I have been unable to find descendants, or any other information about these two brothers. Do you have a wife for Cristobal? Is there any other information on Gabriel and Cristobal?
I wonder why Cristobal Sanchez is the one that “quiso Matar a Alo López”. Was Cristobal Sanchez’s wife, sister, or daughter one of the women found to have a relationship with Padre Alonso Lopez De Espinar?
It’s great that ages are provided so that we can better approximate their dates of birth.
Thanks again,
Rick A. Ricci
Hi Rick
Mariana de Mendoza and Ysabel Sanchez de Lara were 2 of the women whom Alo Lopez tried to seduce. And I’m glad you asked, because I just realized I misread the text: Cristobal Sanchez was NOT the brother of Gabriel Sanchez, but of his wife, Ysabel Sanchez de Lara. So, backtrack: Toribio Hernandez cc Ysabel de Mendoza did not have a son named Cristobal Sanchez, it was the son of Juan Sanchez cc Elvira Gil de Lara, who reacted as any brother would, and wanted to kill Lopez.
As for Mariana de Mendoza's husband, I had always seen him as "Rodrigo" de Olivares, rather than "Cristobal." I found a testamento for a Rodrigo de Olibares cc Maria de Mendoza, natl de Puebla de LA, hijo de Juan de Olibares cc Francisca Rodriguez. Would this be the same Rodrigo de Olibares?
Manny Diez Hermosillo
Dear Manny,
Thank you for the clarification. I am back to one son for Toribio Hernández.Have you found an age or any other information on Gabriel Sanchez?
I am also curious about Diego Gomez. It says he is a cousin of padre Alonso Lopez. Is there any more information that you can find on this Diego Gomez?
Thanks again,
Rick
Dear Manny,
I believe that the confusion regarding Cristobal Sanchez explains why someone else also mistakenly believed that Cristobal was a son of Toribio Hernández Arellano. This clarification is important to me as I will no longer take time trying to connect him to Toribio.
Thanks,
R A. Ricci
Manny,
do you have the link for this testameto
Danny
Hi Rick,
No other info is given on Diego Gomez, other than he is primo hermano of Padre Alonso Lopez. Nor is any more info given on Gabriel Sanchez.
Hi Alex & Danny,
Here is the testamento of Rodrigo de Olivares, who was born in Cdad de Los Angeles, son of Juan de Olivares cc Francisca Rodriguez. This Rodrigo de Olivares lived in SLP, as early as 1616, and was married to another Maria de Mendoza - who was daughter of Cristobal de Olivares cc Maria de Mendoza. They married around 1603. This is the same couple who baptized Bernabe on 18 Jun 1604, in Guadalajara, Jal. Bernabe is mentioned in the testamento.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G58X-7RXJ?i=418&wc=MXB…
Manny Diez Hermosillo
Talk about tricky names! Thanks for the link!
Happy early New Year! primos from Jalisco Posting this in case members have clues on some deadends in my Jalisco genealogy. This is my dad's side of the house.
I'm afraid that if you're relying on this level of DNA Y chromosome analysis you may not get much insight without additional research. The I-P37 haplogroup is just big. To quote one of the great comic writers, this quote applies here as well: "Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is."
https://www.familytreedna.com/public/y-dna-haplotree/I;name=I-P37
My paternal line also belongs to the I-P37 haplogroup, but I have needed to do further analysis to refine my particular line down to I-FT163369 haplogroup. The issue with using this to search is that last names changed from father to son often and for many reasons. In my instance for example, Juan Lozano's (1530, Lobon, Spain) offspring used a variety of surnames, including Lozano, de Isla, Gonzalez, Gonzalez de Isla, etc.
Keep hunting because you will eventually make a breakthrough. For instance, have you thought about upgrading your dad's DNA sample to get a higher resolution that would help with potential matches? In my case, I did this and all of a sudden I was matching with various folks who had a Lozano last name for their paternal lines--this seemed odd at the time, but of course now makes sense!
Victor Gutierrez and Vicenta Vasquez baptized Maria Cleofas in 1861 in Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco; she was born on Cieneguilla. According to her partida, her grandparents were Fernando Gutierrez cc Andrea Medina, and Maximo Vasquez cc Gregoria Ramirez:
Source: Maria Cleofa baptism:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVSS-XW5
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-5996-M9?i=48&cc=1874591
My guess is that someone in your paternal Gutierrez line was an hijo natural and used his mother’s surname (Gutierrez), and his biological father was a Valdes de Flores.
Good luck!
Manny Díez Hermosillo
I was thinking this too. I was hoping it might be something very close like maybe my dad having another father but I cannot prove this. Two options are the male changed his surname for some reason or the mother had a child out of wedlock you say so I would be looking for a female with the surname Gutierrez. I did see the line you noted above but wasn't sure if it was documented. Thank you - I will update the tree and keep looking.
Hola todos:
En esta ocasión quiero aprovechar la oportunidad de preguntarles ¿Cuántos de ustedes han logrado enlazar sus linajes con la nobleza española?
Hola a todos,
Quisiera aportar un poco al tema, La familia Portocarrero eran unos nobles de cerca del puerto de Palos en el sur de España, se heredaban el título de “Señor de Moguer”.
Una de las herederas, María Portocarrero y Enríquez (1430-1470) conocida también como “IV Señora de Moguer” se casó con Juan Pacheco, Marqués de Villena (1419-1474). Tuvieron una hija llamada Francisca de Pacheco y Portocarrero (1450-1514), quien se casó con Iñigo López de Mendoza y Quiñones (1442-1515).
Iñigo y Francisca tuvieron como hijos, entre otros, a Antonio de Mendoza y Pacheco (1495-1552) quien fue el primer Virrey de la Nueva España y a Diego Hurtado de Mendoza y Pacheco (1503-1575) quien fue diplomático, se dice que fue amigo de Santa Teresa de Jesús y se le atribuye “El Lazarillo de Tormes”. Diego se casó con María Sánchez (1510-1554) y tuvieron a su hija Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza (1536-1580) que nació en Aguascalientes.
Isabel se casó con Toribio Fernández de Hijar y Arellano (1530-1600) quien había tomado el apellido de su madre pues su padre era descendiente de una familia judía. Los descendientes de Toribio e Isabel tomaron combinaciones de los apellidos Hurtado, Mendoza, Sánchez, quienes fueron parte de la fundación de Aguascalientes.
Otros apellidos que se agregaron a la familia por matrimonio fueron Becerra, López de Elizalde, Luébana y Medina. Considerando el pequeño nombre de familias que llegaron a la Nueva Galicia y que tenían muchos hijos, terminaron por casarse entre ellos y forzosamente en Aguascalientes, Jalisco y Zacatecas tenemos antepasados comunes.
Hola Jorge,
No creo que Isabel Mendoza, esposa de Toribio Hernández Arellano, sea hija del Diego Hurtado de Mendoza Pacheco. Si he visto que dicen que el Diego Hurtado de Mendoza que vino en el servicio de Antonio Mendoza es familiar, pero no lo nombran como hermano. Y a este Diego Hurtado de Mendoza nunca he podido encontrar la información de su esposa. Si he podido juntar información sobre sus antepasados y sigo buscando pruebas que el sea padre de Isabel.
Lo Sánchez viene por antepasados de Toribio Hernández Arellano, y no por Isabel.
Gracias,
Ricardo A. Ricci
Hola Rick,
Gracias por tu mensaje, efectivamente, encontré que Diego Hurtado de Mendoza y Pacheco fue diplomático en Europa, principalmente en Inglaterra e Italia y creo que nunca vino a México.
Encontré también que hubo otro Diego Hurtado de Mendoza que fue enviado a Nueva Galicia y sus límites al norte y al Pacifico pero por lo pronto no encuentro nada mas de él aparte de que tuvo conflictos con Nuño de Guzmán.
A suivre…
Jorge
1)- Rollo “Hrolfr” “Rolf” “Rollon” “Rollo the Viking” “Rollo the Walker” “Rollo Normandy” nació in 860 ad y murio entre 928 ad y 933 ad. Rollo es uno de los más importantes Vikingos en historia. Rolls es antepasado de muchas casas reales en Europa. Rollo y Poppa procreáron a Guillaume “William Longsword.”
2)- Guillaume, “William Longsword”, (Guillaume Longue-Épée en frances) Lord of the Normans. Guillaume nacio en 893, fue asasinado 17/December/942. El controlo Normandía desde 927 hasta su muerte. Guilluame y Sprota procreán a Richard I “the Fearless”.
3)- Richard I “the Fearless”, Duke of Normandy , Richard I y su padre crecieron los terrenos de Normandy. Richard I y Gunnora procrearon Richard II “The Good”
4)- Richard II “The Good”, Duke of Normandy, nacio 23/August/963 y murió 28 August 1026. Richard II procreáro a Robert I.
5)- Robert I “the Magnificent”, Duke of Normandy Robert I procrearo a Guillermo I.
6)- Guillermo I, El Conquistador, nació en 1028, reinó en Inglaterra desde el 1066 hasta el 1087, sepultado en Caen, Francia. Guillermo I, casó con Matilde de Flandes, hija de Balduino V, Conde de Flandes y procrearon nueve hijos, uno de ellos: Enrique I.
7)- Enrique I, nació en 1070 y murio 1035, sucedió su hermano como rey. (Su hermano murió en 1100 de un accidental y cuestionable flechazo en una cacería.) Enrique fue rey hasta 1035. Enrique I se casó el 6 de agosto de 1100, en Westminster, con Edith Matilde, princesa escocesa, Desciende de King Alfred the Great, nacida en el 1080, en Dunfermline. Hija de Malcolm III Canmore, rey de Escocia y Santa Margarita. Casi no dejaron a Edith Matilde casarse. Se convocó a un concilio especial de la iglesia para asegurarse de que Edith Matilde no había hecho votos como monja. Su testimonio enfático logró convencerlos que ella no había hecho votos como monja. Procrearon dos hijos, El Príncipe Guillermo y Matilde de Inglaterra.
Sin embargo, la corona pasó a un primo, otro descendiente colateral de Guillermo, El Conquistador, quien la retuvo por 19 años.
8)- Matilde de Inglaterra, la hija de Enrique I, nacida e en 1102, Londres, casó en segundas nupcias el 22/May/1127, con Godofredo V Plantagenet (1113-1151), Conde de Anjou. Procrearon tres hijos, uno de los cuales, se convertiría en Henry II, retomando de nuevo la línea sucesoral del trono de Inglaterra. Este sobresaliente monarca reinó desde 1154 hasta 1189.
9)- Henry II Plantagenet, King of England,(1133-1189), casó el 18/May/1152, con Eleanor of Aquitaine, hija de Guillermo X, Duque de Aquitania. Los hijos de esta pareja se mezclaron con todas las casas reales europeas de la época. Procrearon siete hijos, siendo uno de ellos Leonor de Plantagenet.
10)- Leonor de Plantagenet (1156-1214), la hija del Monarca inglés Enrique II, casó en 1177, en Burgos, España, con Alfonso VIII, Rey de Castilla (1155-1214). Alfonso VIII es hijo de Sancho III, Rey de Castilla y Blanca de Navarra. Procrearon seis hijos, entre ellos a Berenguela, Infanta de Castilla.
11)- Berenguela, Infanta de Castilla (1180-1246), casó en Dec/1197, en Valladolid, con Alfonso IX, Rey de León (1171-1230). Procrearon a Fernando III, (San Fernando)
12)- Fernando III, Rey de Castilla y León “San Fernando” (1201-1252), casó el 30/Nov/1219, en Burgos, Francia, con Beatriz (Elizabeth Von Hohenstaufen) de Suabia, quien a su vez era hija de Felipe de Suabia. Este monarca unificó para siempre Castilla y León. Además jugó un papel preponderante en la reconquista de España en manos de los moros. Procrearon tres hijos, entre ellos, quien mantendría la corona, Alfonso X, más conocido como Alfonso, El Sabio.
13)- Alfonso X, (El Sabio) nació el 23/Nov/1221, en Toledo y falleció en 1284, en Sevilla, España. Tuvo varios matrimonios, llevándose a cabo uno de ellos el 26 de noviembre de 1248, con Violante de Aragón, hija de Jaime I de Aragón y de Violante de Hungría, nació en 1236, en Zaragoza y falleció en 1301, en Roscesvalles, Navarra, España. Procrearon once hijos, siendo uno de estos Fernando de la Cerda, Infante de Castilla.
14)- Fernando de la Cerda, Infante de Castilla, nació el 23/Oct/1255, en Valladolid y falleció el 25/July/ 1275, en Ciudad Real. Casó el 30/Nov/1269, en Burgos, con Blanca Capeto de Francia (1252-1320), quien era hija del rey de Francia Luis IX. Tuvieron dos hijos, siendo uno de ellos Alfonso de la Cerda Infante de Castilla.
15)- Alfonso de la Cerda, Infante de Castilla (1270-1334), casó con Mahalda Brienne-EU y procrearon a Luís de la Cerda, Infante de Castilla.
16)- Luís de la Cerda, Infante de Castilla, nació en 1291, Francia. Casó con Leonor de Guzmán en el 1306, en Sevilla. Luís de la Cerda, falleció el 5/July/1348, en La Motte-Sur-Rhone, Francia. Procrearon a Juan de la Cerda.
17)- Juan de la Cerda(1327-1357), nació en Sevilla. Juan de la Cerda y Sol Martínez procrearon a Martín González de la Cerda. En el testamento de Leonor Guzman ella deja un dinero para Sol Martinez y escribe que ella esta embarazada por su hijo Juan de la Cerda.
18)- Martín González de la Cerda, casó en el 1366, con Violante Alvarez Pereyra, hija ilegítima de Alvaro Gonçalves Pereira, Obispo de Braga. Genealogos no están de acuerdo de la madre de Violante. Los que dicen que es hermana completa de Nuñez Álvarez Pereira dicen que es hija de Iría Gonçalves de Carvahal. Algunos genealogos dicen que es hija de Martinha Domínguez. Pero Violante fue conocida mas como hermana completa de Nuñez Alvarez Pereira, más conocido somo “San Nuño de Santa Maria” y como “el Protector de Portugal.” Martin y Violante procrearon a Mahalda de la Cerda.
19)- Mahalda de la Cerda, nació en ca. 1370, casó con Fernán Gutiérrez de Valverde y procrearon a María Gutiérrez de Valverde de la Cerda.
20)- María Gutiérrez de Valverde de la Cerda, murió 1464, casó con Gonzalo Porcallo Morán y procrearon a María Moran de la Cerda.
21)- Maria Moran de la Cerda, casó con Lorenzo Ulloa, Señor de Malgarrida, quien otorgó testamento y codicilo el 2/feb/1467. Lorenzo es hijo de Fernán Pérez de Ulloa Señor de Malgarrida y Gracia de Carvajal, vecinos de Cáceres, Fernán dio poder para testar a sus hijos el 11/Dec/1450. Lorenzo y Maria procrearon a Leonor de la Cerda.
22)- Leonor de la Cerda, casó con Balthazar Mendoza, hijo de Juan Pantoja y Elvira Alvarez de Mendoza. (Elvira es hija de Alfonso Duran Mendoza y Aldonza Vasquez de Sandoval. Filiación que consta en la carta de dote otorgada a favor de Juan Pantoja, el 3/Aug/1431) Balthazar y Leonor procrearon a Juan Pantoja.
23)- Juan Pantoja, conquistador, casó con Catalina Medina, hija de Domingo Medina. Juan y Catalina procrearon a Bernardina Mendoza.
24)- Bernardina Mendoza, casó con Gonzalo Nuñez de Sotomayor y procrearon a Pedro Nuñez de Sotomayor.
25)- Pedro Núñez de Sotomayor nació hace 1580 casó el 31/Aug/1603 en Guadalajara, Nueva Galicia, (Jalisco, Mexico) con Ana Hurtado.y procrearon a Juana Hurtado de Mendoza
26)- Juana Hurtado de Mendoza nació Sep/1618 en Ocotlan, casó con Juan Gonzalez y procrearon a Nicolas Gonzalez de Mendoza
27)- Nicolás González de Mendoza casó 20/Apr/1669 en Ocotlan con Jeronima de Zarate y procrearon a Gertrudis Ortiz de Zarate
28)- Gertrudis Ortiz de Zárate bap. 19/Jun/1678 Ocotlán, casó el 4/Mar/1696 con Feliz Gomez, hijo De Diego Gómez y Mencia Velasco
29)- Juana Jerónima Hurtado de Mendoza casó con José Diaz Castellanos que murió 4/Sep/1765
30)- José Bacilio Diaz Castellanos caso con Maria Violante Hernández
31)- Juan José Díaz Castellanos casó 21/Feb1770 con Juana Gertrudis Gutierrez
32)- María Guadalupe Díaz Castellanos bap 5/Jun/1782, casó con José Anselmo Rubio
33)-José Antonio Rubio de Zepeda casó con Maria Filomena de Aceves bap. 14/July/1837 San Miguel el Alto, murió 6/Oct/1891, casó con
34)- Maria Daría Atilana del Refugio Rubio de Zepeda nació 4/Oct/1856, caso Juan Joseph Serrano Ornelas
35)- Lucía Serrano-Ornelas Casó con Francisco Mendez de Torres
36)- Martín Méndez de Torres nació 12/Jan/1917, casó María del Refugio Cortes
37)- José Gabriel Méndez de Torres casó con ? Camino
38)- Daniel Alejandro Méndez Camino
R.A. Ricci
I want to apologize for originally stating a couple of years ago that Miguel Cervantes was not related to Leonel Cervantes through the Cervantes line. I had originally posted:
"""""""""Miguel Cervantes no es de los mismos Cervantes. Miguel Cervantes no tiene Avellaneda. Miguel Cervantes escribio un arbol de genealogia que no era la verdad. El arbol que escribio si tiene verdad pero no la parte que incluye a su familia. Miguel Cervantes tenia otro parentesco con la familia Cervantes pero por una linea de una bisabuela conversa.""""""""""
I was wrong. Miguel Cervantes is related through the Cervantes line but not through the family tree that he wrote. He was mistaken as to how close the relationship was. This was a case of him thinking that he was closer related than he was, or he wanted to cover up just how his Cervantes line branched off. How often have we heard from a parent, uncle or grandparent that fulano is a second cousin when the actual tree shows him to be a little further away like a third cousin once removed. My father in law insisted that he was a second cousin to the famous actor Gregorio Casal, when he was actually a third cousin, but since they grew up together they thought they were more closely related.
Miguel Cervantes's ancestor branch male line married Nuevo conversos. Though Leonel Cervantes's branch also married a nueva conversa, it went back to marrying mainly Christianos viejos. I say mainly because a couple lines clearly married Nuevo conversos. Miguel Cervantes's line branched off earlier so he does not have Avellaneda in his line that I know of. I also haven't found Saavedra in his tree but there is a big hole in the tree regarding his maternal grandfather.
I had originally worked on Miguel Cervantes line a long time ago but had lost most of my work on his tree a few years ago when I had a computer crash and lost my backup in the same week. My wife insisted Yesterday that I stop working on genealogy and clean out a filing cabinet in a closet. I hadn't looked into this cabinet in a long time. I did not normally use this filing cabinet for genealogy. It was mainly used for bills, old mail, documents that should be kept at least a few years like tax returns and receipts. I was in for a big surprise. While cleaning out the filing cabinet I found many pages of genealogical notes that contain some of the information that I had thought that I had lost forever, these notes do not contain all of my lost material but it does contain much information that I had been unable to refind in my subsequent research. These notes also contained valuable information on Blanca Nunez's ancestors from the temino de Velasco line. I will add this information to my book which I hope to publish soon.
R.A. Ricci
Miguel Cervantes no es de los mismos Cervantes. Miguel Cervantes no tiene Avellaneda. Miguel Cervantes escribio un arbol de genealogia que no era la verdad. El arbol que escribio si tiene verdad pero no la parte que incluye a su familia. Miguel Cervantes tenia otro parentesco con la familia Cervantes pero por una linea de una bisabuela conversa.
R A Ricci
Estimado Enrique,
Seguro somos parientes varias veces, posiblemente lo más cercano por los Cervantes. Los tatarabuelos de mi abuelo Martín Méndez de Torres Serrano-Ornelas eran D. José Manuel de Aceves y Da. María de Jesús Leonel Gómez de Cervantes, esta última descendiente de la casa de Cervantes. Conozco muchísimos mexicanos que descienden de los Cervantes; es una familia principal de la nobleza mexicana. Dichos enlazaron con todas las familias que constituyaba el núcleo social durante el virreinato.
Además de los Cervantes mi padre tiene ascendencia de Luis de Pantoja y Mendoza por los Núñez de Sotomayor, ya citados, los Ornelas, de origen portugúes. Mi madre es Camino, también de los Rincón Gallardo, Altamirano de Castilla y los Ruiz de Esparza. Luego sabes por estos medios ya todos están vinculados entre todos los numerosos condados, marquesados, etc.
En fin, pienso que todos estan un vínculados con “la nobleza” tanto la mexicana como la española.
Hola Daniel:
Me da gusto que hayas contestado, dado que pensé que no le darían seguimiento al asunto. Ya que me dices que tienes un vínculo con Luis de Pantoja y Mendoza, ¿Conoces la ascendencia de su esposa María de la Peña? Sé que es hija de Baltasar de San Juan de la Peña y de Benita de la Peña, pero más allá de ellos no tengo datos y desconozco si llevaban a su vez algún título.
Estoy de acuerdo contigo, que algunos de nosotros tengamos estas conexiones. Por ejemplo mucha gente con orígenes norteños como yo, somos descendientes de personajes como Alonso de Estrada (hijo natural del rey Fernando II de Aragón), de los Oñate, de Gonzalo de Salazar y de Ruy Díaz de Mendoza y Arellano del Río.
Como tu bien dices, la "nobleza" se encontraba muy emparentada, yo creo que más bien se trata de saber si nuestras ramas se conectan a aquellas, dado que en algunas ocasiones encontré este vínculo mucho después, sin saber que lo había. Era por eso el motivo del foro, poder compartir nuestra información.
Saludos
Hola Enrique,
Sobre los Peña, no tengo más noticias más allá. Pero te proporciono mi vínculo con Luis de Pantoja. Mis antepasados Antonio Rubio de Zepeda y Filomena de Aceves descendían de Luis de Pantoja.
Luis de Pantoja y Mendoza
Catalina de Pantoja y Mendoza
Bernardina Hurtado de Mendoza
Pedro Núñez de Sotomayor Juana Núnez de Sotomayor
Juana Hurtado de Mendoza Francisca de Ochoa y Garibay
Nicolás González de Mendoza Fernando de la Mora y Hurtado de Mendoza
Gertrudis Ortiz de Zárate Juan de la Mora y Hurtado de Mendoza
Juana Jerónima Hurtado de Mendoza Leonor de Zamora
Juan Manuel Basilio Díaz-Castellanos Bárbara Martín del Campo
Juan José Díaz-Castellanos José Ignacio Gómez-Hurtado de MEndoza
María Guadalupe Díaz-Castellanos Josefa Gómez-Hurtado de Mendoza
José Antonio Rubio de Zepeda María de Jesús Leonel-Gómez de Cervantes
Daría Rubio de Zepeda Manuel de Aceves
Lucía Serrano-Ornelas Filomena de Aceves
Martín Méndez de Torres Daría Rubio de Zepeda
José Gabriel Méndez de Torres Lucía Serrano-Ornelas
Daniel Alejandro Mén dez Camino Martín Méndez de Torres
José Gabriel Méndez de Torres
Daniel Alejandro Mén dez Camino
No he estudiado mucho sobre el norte de México pero ya estoy notando que seria imposible a ignorarlo. Ya que están vinculados familias como los Garza-Falcón en los Altos de Jalisco. La esposa de mi abuelo nació en Albuquerque, Nuevo México y viene de todas las familias principales de dicha región y el norte. Uno que me encantó estudiar fue los Oñate, el Marqués de Villamayor (Pacheco-Bocanegra). Luego mi madre casó por segundas con el Lic. Eugenio de la O cuya familia proviene de Monterrey, Nuevo León. Su mamá se llamaba María de la Garza y Falcón. Mi búsqueda esta vinculado con todo lugar, sea lo que sea aun ha sido un aventura histórica para mi.
Daniel
En esta ocasión pidiéndoles amablemente me ayuden como siempre tan gentiles con una rama familiar nueva para mi . se trata de mis 10os Bisabuelos Joseph Beltrán Dorantes y
Leonor De Ulloa los Padres de Joseph fueron Andrés Fernández de Dorantes y
Francisca Beltrán de San Juan. sin mayor datos de fechas ni lugares de nacimiento. y de Leonor de Ulloa ningún dato muchas gracias, cualquier información sera bienvenida. deseando tengan una semana productiva y llena de bendiciones.
Hello Daniel,
I too descend from fernando de la mora y hurtado de Mendoza. I have his parents but I am confused by the rest of his ancestry that you have listed. Fernando de la mora Hurtado de Mendoza is my 8th great grandfather many many times over. Then another dozen 9th great grandfather. I actually descend from Fernando's grandson, Francisco Antonio Jose "Josesito" Martin del Campo, many many times over, so does my wife. That is how we are fifth cousins.
Can you please clarify this line that you posted.
Thank you
R.A.Ricci
Carlos Peredo
Hello Rick, Daniel et al
I -like Miguel Hidalgo - am another one of the many descendants of Fernando de la Mora (through his daughter Catalina). I have his parents as Juan Mora Mendoza and Francisca Ochoa Garibay , and the parents of Juan Mora Mendoza as Manuel Mora and Juana Aviña Hurtado de Mendoza, so I don´t find the link with the Núñez Sotomayor, could you please help me with that ?
Greetings
Carlos Peredo
I´m sorry for asking something that I should remember: I just went to check my notes and ..... Voila ! the mother of my ancestor Fernando de la Mora was a Núñez de Sotomayor !!, her name was Francisca de Ochoa Garibay Núñez de Sotomayor y Hurtado de Mendoza, grandaughter of Bernardina Hurtado de Mendoza.
Sorry again and my best regards
Hello Carlos,
In my notes i had her only as Juana Nunez Soto. Can you please provide me with a source so that I can check on this information. I don't like adding information to my tree without having sources that I can check.
Thanks,
R.A.Ricci
Carlos Peredo
Hello Rick,
The following is one of the sources that mentions Don Diego de Ochoa Garibay and his wife Juana Núñez de Sotomayor
El capitán D. Diego de Ochoa Garibay, conquistador de Nueva Galicia y poblador muy antiguo en la Provincia de Michoacán, avecindado en Zamora, y relación genealógica entre éste y el Lic. D. Guillermo Romo Celis: Estudio leído en la Academia Mexicana de Genealogía y Heráldica, en la sesión del 12 de mayo de 1954---by José Ignacio Paulino Dávila Garibi.
Now, I´ve been trying to find the ancestors of the supposed mother of this Juana : Bernardina Hurtado de Mendoza with no succes yet, I´ve seen some genealogies in the web and they simply don´t make much chronological sense but they state that she is a descendant of the "Señores de Mocejón", the Pantojas Portocarreros.
With that "information" I´ve researched about those Pantojas and the most probable parent of Bernardina is Catalina de Pantoja de la Peña daughter of Juan Pantoja Portocarrero and María de la Peña.
This Juan Pantoja was the brother of the tenth Sr de Mocejón : Gonzalo Pantoja Portocarrero; and both sons of Gonzalo Pantoja Monroy Guzmán and Elvira Portocarrero y Guzmán "Sra de Mocejón y Benacazón".
Has anyone found some hard data about this line ?
Regards
R.A.Ricci
Hello Carlos
Like you, I checked out some of the genealogies on the internet and found family trees that don't make sense. There are numerous errors that destroy their credibility. What I am most concerned with verifying is Juana Nunez de Sotomayor's parents , grandparents, and specifically Bernardina Hurtado de Mendoza. Luz Montejano, a respected genealogist posted a tree showing her parents and grandparents but I don't see her sources. She has done excellent work so I don't doubt her, but I would like to know the sources. Her information is the same that you provide.
I am completing a book that should be published in a few months that will include this line as it ties in with what I already had been writing about. I had originally been searching through the Ornelas lines that Daniel Mendez provided to find a connection with my work but was unsuccessful. What a coincidence that another post by Daniel Mendez helps make a connection to what I am already writing about. I am concerned that this line will blow up on closer inspection just like the Ornelas line did. That is why I would lke to verify the source before adding it.
Please email me your descendancy from Juana Nunez de Sotomayor if you want it in the book that I am almost finished writing. This book is not specifically about this line but this line has someone who is a half sister to someone that I am writing about so all of their descendents are related.
I am in a hurry to finish this book as I don't like withholding information from other genealogists. The information that I am writing about necessitates long explanations and much evidence so a book is the best way of communicating the results of my investigations.
Thanks,
R A. Ricci
Hi R.A. Ricci:
I would like to buy your book in case you include information regarding Bernardina de Mendoza. Please let us know how we can acquire it when it's available. Which other lines are you writing of besides the Ornelas and this one?
I think I'm a descendant of Juana Nuñez de Sotomayor through the Estrada family but I've not been able to connect Nicolás Flores de Estrada husband of María de Solís (greatgrandaughter of Juana Nuñez de Sotomayor) with my ancestor Antonio de Estrada married with Teresa Ramírez aka Pérez, I think Antonio should be a son or grandson of Nicolás Flores de Estrada.
As some aditional information, Antonio's son godparents (Dionisio Teodoro, bap. 1717 in Ocotlán) were Nicolás de Estrada y de la Mora and María de Retamosa so I think this couple should be somehow related with my ancestors, maybe Nicolás and Antonio being first cousins.
Hope you have some facts on that line.
Regards,
Enrique Agraz
Dear Enrique,
I was mistaken when I sided with the genealogists that claim that Allonso Estrada was not the son of King Ferdinand. I had believed the false documents and testimony that had presented a false family tree.
I have an original pristine copy of "verdadera Paternidad De Alonso de Estrada." By Norberto de Castro y Tosi published in Madrid 1948. I had originally been convinced by his argument regarding Alonso Estrada's paternity. Over the years I have seen more and more information that shows his facts and conclusions to be in error. I have collected much information on the family. The evidence is that he is an illegitimate son of the King.
What I am writing is going to lower the value of Norberto de Castro y Tosi's booklet that I have in my possession, I should have sold it before I revealed that he is wrong.
Rick A. Ricci
1)- Rollo “Hrolfr” “Rolf” “Rollon” “Rollo the Viking” “Rollo the Walker” “Rollo Normandy” nació in 860 ad y murio entre 928 ad y 933 ad. Rollo es uno de los más importantes Vikingos en historia. Rolls es antepasado de muchas casas reales en Europa. Rollo y Poppa procreáron a Guillaume “William Longsword.”
2)- Guillaume, “William Longsword”, (Guillaume Longue-Épée en frances) Lord of the Normans. Guillaume nacio en 893, fue asasinado 17/December/942. El controlo Normandía desde 927 hasta su muerte. Guilluame y Sprota procreán a Richard I “the Fearless”.
3)- Richard I “the Fearless”, Duke of Normandy , Richard I y su padre crecieron los terrenos de Normandy. Richard I y Gunnora procrearon Richard II “The Good”
4)- Richard II “The Good”, Duke of Normandy, nacio 23/August/963 y murió 28 August 1026. Richard II procreáro a Robert I.
5)- Robert I “the Magnificent”, Duke of Normandy Robert I procrearo a Guillermo I.
6)- Guillermo I, El Conquistador, nació en 1028, reinó en Inglaterra desde el 1066 hasta el 1087, sepultado en Caen, Francia. Guillermo I, casó con Matilde de Flandes, hija de Balduino V, Conde de Flandes y procrearon nueve hijos, uno de ellos: Enrique I.
7)- Enrique I, nació en 1070 y murio 1035, sucedió su hermano como rey. (Su hermano murió en 1100 de un accidental y cuestionable flechazo en una cacería.) Enrique fue rey hasta 1035. Enrique I se casó el 6 de agosto de 1100, en Westminster, con Edith Matilde, princesa escocesa, Desciende de King Alfred the Great, nacida en el 1080, en Dunfermline. Hija de Malcolm III Canmore, rey de Escocia y Santa Margarita. Casi no dejaron a Edith Matilde casarse. Se convocó a un concilio especial de la iglesia para asegurarse de que Edith Matilde no había hecho votos como monja. Su testimonio enfático logró convencerlos que ella no había hecho votos como monja. Procrearon dos hijos, El Príncipe Guillermo y Matilde de Inglaterra.
Sin embargo, la corona pasó a un primo, otro descendiente colateral de Guillermo, El Conquistador, quien la retuvo por 19 años.
8)- Matilde de Inglaterra, la hija de Enrique I, nacida e en 1102, Londres, casó en segundas nupcias el 22/May/1127, con Godofredo V Plantagenet (1113-1151), Conde de Anjou. Procrearon tres hijos, uno de los cuales, se convertiría en Henry II, retomando de nuevo la línea sucesoral del trono de Inglaterra. Este sobresaliente monarca reinó desde 1154 hasta 1189.
9)- Henry II Plantagenet, King of England,(1133-1189), casó el 18/May/1152, con Eleanor of Aquitaine, hija de Guillermo X, Duque de Aquitania. Los hijos de esta pareja se mezclaron con todas las casas reales europeas de la época. Procrearon siete hijos, siendo uno de ellos Leonor de Plantagenet.
10)- Leonor de Plantagenet (1156-1214), la hija del Monarca inglés Enrique II, casó en 1177, en Burgos, España, con Alfonso VIII, Rey de Castilla (1155-1214). Alfonso VIII es hijo de Sancho III, Rey de Castilla y Blanca de Navarra. Procrearon seis hijos, entre ellos a Berenguela, Infanta de Castilla.
11)- Berenguela, Infanta de Castilla (1180-1246), casó en Dec/1197, en Valladolid, con Alfonso IX, Rey de León (1171-1230). Procrearon a Fernando III, (San Fernando)
12)- Fernando III, Rey de Castilla y León “San Fernando” (1201-1252), casó el 30/Nov/1219, en Burgos, Francia, con Beatriz (Elizabeth Von Hohenstaufen) de Suabia, quien a su vez era hija de Felipe de Suabia. Este monarca unificó para siempre Castilla y León. Además jugó un papel preponderante en la reconquista de España en manos de los moros. Procrearon tres hijos, entre ellos, quien mantendría la corona, Alfonso X, más conocido como Alfonso, El Sabio.
13)- Alfonso X, (El Sabio) nació el 23/Nov/1221, en Toledo y falleció en 1284, en Sevilla, España. Tuvo varios matrimonios, llevándose a cabo uno de ellos el 26 de noviembre de 1248, con Violante de Aragón, hija de Jaime I de Aragón y de Violante de Hungría, nació en 1236, en Zaragoza y falleció en 1301, en Roscesvalles, Navarra, España. Procrearon once hijos, siendo uno de estos Fernando de la Cerda, Infante de Castilla.
14)- Fernando de la Cerda, Infante de Castilla, nació el 23/Oct/1255, en Valladolid y falleció el 25/July/ 1275, en Ciudad Real. Casó el 30/Nov/1269, en Burgos, con Blanca Capeto de Francia (1252-1320), quien era hija del rey de Francia Luis IX. Tuvieron dos hijos, siendo uno de ellos Alfonso de la Cerda Infante de Castilla.
15)- Alfonso de la Cerda, Infante de Castilla (1270-1334), casó con Mahalda Brienne-EU y procrearon a Luís de la Cerda, Infante de Castilla.
16)- Luís de la Cerda, Infante de Castilla, nació en 1291, Francia. Casó con Leonor de Guzmán en el 1306, en Sevilla. Luís de la Cerda, falleció el 5/July/1348, en La Motte-Sur-Rhone, Francia. Procrearon a Juan de la Cerda.
17)- Juan de la Cerda(1327-1357), nació en Sevilla. Juan de la Cerda y Sol Martínez procrearon a Martín González de la Cerda. En el testamento de Leonor Guzman ella deja un dinero para Sol Martinez y escribe que ella esta embarazada por su hijo Juan de la Cerda.
18)- Martín González de la Cerda, casó en el 1366, con Violante Alvarez Pereyra, hija ilegítima de Alvaro Gonçalves Pereira, Obispo de Braga. Genealogos no están de acuerdo de la madre de Violante. Los que dicen que es hermana completa de Nuñez Álvarez Pereira dicen que es hija de Iría Gonçalves de Carvahal. Algunos genealogos dicen que es hija de Martinha Domínguez. Pero Violante fue conocida mas como hermana completa de Nuñez Alvarez Pereira, más conocido somo “San Nuño de Santa Maria” y como “el Protector de Portugal.” Martin y Violante procrearon a Mahalda de la Cerda.
19)- Mahalda de la Cerda, nació en ca. 1370, casó con Fernán Gutiérrez de Valverde y procrearon a María Gutiérrez de Valverde de la Cerda.
20)- María Gutiérrez de Valverde de la Cerda, murió 1464, casó con Gonzalo Porcallo Morán y procrearon a María Moran de la Cerda.
21)- Maria Moran de la Cerda, casó con Lorenzo Ulloa, Señor de Malgarrida, quien otorgó testamento y codicilo el 2/feb/1467. Lorenzo es hijo de Fernán Pérez de Ulloa Señor de Malgarrida y Gracia de Carvajal, vecinos de Cáceres, Fernán dio poder para testar a sus hijos el 11/Dec/1450. Lorenzo y Maria procrearon a Leonor de la Cerda.
22)- Leonor de la Cerda, casó con Balthazar Mendoza, hijo de Juan Pantoja y Elvira Alvarez de Mendoza. (Elvira es hija de Alfonso Duran Mendoza y Aldonza Vasquez de Sandoval. Filiación que consta en la carta de dote otorgada a favor de Juan Pantoja, el 3/Aug/1431) Balthazar y Leonor procrearon a Juan Pantoja.
23)- Juan Pantoja, conquistador, casó con Catalina Medina, hija de Domingo Medina. Juan y Catalina procrearon a Bernardina Mendoza.
24)- Bernardina Mendoza, casó con Gonzalo Nuñez de Sotomayor y procrearon a Juana Nuñez de Sotomayor.
25)- Juana Nuñez de Sotomayor, casó en 1573 con Diego Ochoa Garibay.
26)- Francisca Ochoa de Garibay nació hacía 1590, casó 11/Mar/1613 en Zamora (Michoacan)con Juan De la Mora (nació hacia 1585, murió antes de 22/Apr/1641), y procrearon a Fernando De la Mora Mendoza.
27)- Fernando De la Mora Mendoza, nació hacia 1630 con Maria Zamora y procrearon a Juan De la Mora, Capitán.
28)- Juan De La Mora, Capitán, nació Jun/1656 casó con Leonor Gutiérrez de Hermosillo
29)- Leonor Zamora Mendoza casó con Jose Martin del Campo
30)- Barbara Martin del Campo nació 1722 casó con Jose Ascencio Gomez
31)= José Ignacio Gómez casó con Phelipa Catarina Aceves Casillas.
32)- Maria Josefa Gómez, murió 1758, casó 28/Apr/1693 con Rosalino Cervantes Zuñiga
33)- Ma. de Jesús Gómez de Cervantes nació 4/Sep/1807, casó con José Manuel Aceves nació 25/Sep/1803
34)- Maria Filomena de Aceves bap. 14/July/1837 San Miguel el Alto, murió 6/Oct/1891, casó con José Antonio Rubio de Zepeda
35)- Maria Daría Atilana del Refugio Rubio de Zepeda nació 4/Oct/1856, caso Juan Joseph Serrano Ornelas
36)- Lucía Serrano-Ornelas casó con Francisco Mendez de Torres
37)- Martín Méndez de Torres nació 12/Jan/1917, casó María del Refugio Cortes
38)- José Gabriel Méndez de Torres casó con ? Camino
39)- Daniel Alejandro Méndez Camino
Rick A. Ricci
Source: my book Mygenes2000
Rick,
Leí con mucha atención tu mensaje sobre estos antepasados, sobre todo porque desde el número 1 (Rollo) hasta el número 14 en donde está Louis IX (El Santo) que son comunes para mi esposa y para mí.
Mi esposa es francesa de un pueblito del oeste de Francia y según mis búsquedas encontré que Louis IX es nuestro ancestro común y obviamente todos las personas de 1 a 14 son nuestros ancestros comunes. Aunque yo soy de Durango, descendiente de familias de Aguascalientes y Zacatecas, actualmente vivo en Cergy Pontoise a 6 kilómetros de la Abadía de Maubuisson donde está enterrada Blanca de Castilla, la madre de Louis IX y a 15 kilómetros de Poissy, donde nació Louis IX.
Mi esposa es descendiente de Robert de Clermont (1256-1317) y yo soy descendiente de Philippe III (1245-1285) y de Agnès de France (1260-1325), todos hermanos de Blanca de Francia.
Me interesa tu libro Mygenes2000, si está disponible.
Jorge
Rick,
Leí con mucha atención tu mensaje sobre estos antepasados, sobre todo porque desde el número 1 (Rollo) hasta el número 14 en donde está Louis IX (El Santo) que son comunes para mi esposa y para mí.
Mi esposa es francesa de un pueblito del oeste de Francia y según mis búsquedas encontré que Louis IX es nuestro ancestro común y obviamente todos las personas de 1 a 14 son nuestros ancestros comunes. Aunque yo soy de Durango, descendiente de familias de Aguascalientes y Zacatecas, actualmente vivo en Cergy Pontoise a 6 kilómetros de la Abadía de Maubuisson donde está enterrada Blanca de Castilla, la madre de Louis IX y a 15 kilómetros de Poissy, donde nació Louis IX.
Mi esposa es descendiente de Robert de Clermont (1256-1317) y yo soy descendiente de Philippe III (1245-1285) y de Agnès de France (1260-1325), todos hermanos de Blanca de Francia.
Me interesa tu libro Mygenes2000, si está disponible.
Jorge
Do you have some information about the first of the Hurtado de Mendoza´s family who cames to México arround 1600-1500?
Thanks for you help
Do you have some information about the first of the Hurtado de Mendoza´s family who cames to México arround 1600-1500?
Thanks for you help
Hello Carlos Peredo,
It seems as the ancestry is through Francisca Ochoa Garibay's ancestry. It seems as Juana Nunez Soto is Juana Nunez de Sotomayor. I am only myself learning of this connection today. I do not have the sources and was hoping that Daniel would provide the connection for us.
As to the remark about Cervantes being a Cervantes Saavedra we know that he provided a false family tree to show he was related to the Cervantes family that moved to what is now Mexico. His false tree showed proof of what I had claimed that the two Mexican branches were related but he falsely added his line to disguise his real ancestors, and to maybe help distract from the indiscretions of his immediate family. It turns out that he was related to the Mexican Cervantes family but through a great great grandfather that was a rich converso, one of the richest, if not the richest converso of his time. This great grandfather believed in using his wealth to marry his children to marry into Noble old Christian families.
R.A.Ricci
Do you have some information about the first of the Hurtado de Mendoza´s family who cames to México arround 1600-1500?
Thanks for you help
Do you have some information about the first of the Hurtado de Mendoza´s family who cames to México arround 1600-1500?
Thanks for you help
Veo que entre tus parientes de la nobleza española tienes varios Hurtado de Mendoza, tienes información de quienes con esos apellidos llegaron a México por los años 1500-1600?
saludos cordiales desde Tonalá, Jalisco
Gonzalo Pantoja Portocaerrero si desciende de un Rey. Gonzalo Pantoja Portocaerrero desciende de Alfonso IX de Leon.
The Pantoja family had many connections to the Toledo family so many genealogies show a toledo descendancy. We have disproved one one these toledo descendancy here in nuestrosranchos by proving that Bernardina de Mendoza did not descend from Luis Pantoja mendoza and Ines Alvarez de Toledo. The second descendancy from the Toledo family, is going to be difficult to root out since so many written Pantoja genealogies claim to descend from toledo through a certain wife wife wife when they descend from the an last wife,
Bernardina Mendoza.and Ana Ulloa descend from Gonzalo Pantoja jr and Juana Merlo Ulloa, daughter of Juan Merlo and Guiomar Ulloa.
Gonzalo Pantoja Jr's father in law has another wife that is of the Alvarez Toledo family and most genealogies that you see written and posted on the internet mistakenly have the Toledo wife as an ancestor instead of Guiomar Ulloa. At the present time, and the last few centuries, when most of these genealogies have been written, the Alvarez de Toledo is the more well known noble family. It doesn't take much research to get information on this family. The Ulloa and Merlo families are not as familiar to us, and much deeper research is needed to find out about them. This research into the Merlo and Ulloa families leads to interesting histories of these families. These histories include Guiiomar's father, a doctor who is an oidor in Castilla that is held in high regard similar to " el Doctor Orosco " the Oidor in New Spain who also left many ancestors throughout Nueva Galicia. Guiiomar's sister is married to a family that also has many connections to the Alvarez de Toledo family.
The Ulloa and Merlo families are also nobility with a rich history of serving Castilian, Portuguese, And Leonese royalty. Gonzalo Pantoja jr. ( Gonzalo Pantoja Portocaerrero) descends from King Alfonso IX of Leon.
PS I figured out why so many genealogists and historians do not have Guiomar Ulloa as the mother even though she is the biological mother of both Juana and Diego Merlo Ulloa. The long battle over some property long after their father is improperly quoted in many family trees. Other records clearly identify Guiomar as their biological mother. Diego was very famous in his time and when they spoke of him they named as the son of Guiomar who had special standing with the Queen.
R.A.Ricci
Daniel,
My husband is descended from the Cervantes from Encarncion de Diaz and from the Ornelas from the same place and from San Juan de Los Lagos.
My husband's ggggg-grandfather was Jose Cervantes marrried to Magdalena Narvaes.
His Ornelas ancestor was his ggggg-grandfather Jose de Ornelas married to Maria Gusman [AKA Maria de los Dolores Martin].
Are any of these in your tree?
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
> From: mendezdelcamino@live.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 00:23:58 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Descendientes de la nobleza española en México
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> Estimado Enrique,
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> Seguro somos parientes varias veces, posiblemente lo más cercano por los Cervantes. Los tatarabuelos de mi abuelo Martín Méndez de Torres Serrano-Ornelas eran D. José Manuel de Aceves y Da. María de Jesús Leonel Gómez de Cervantes, esta última descendiente de la casa de Cervantes. Conozco muchísimos mexicanos que descienden de los Cervantes; es una familia principal de la nobleza mexicana. Dichos enlazaron con todas las familias que constituyaba el núcleo social durante el virreinato.
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> Además de los Cervantes mi padre tiene ascendencia de Luis de Pantoja y Mendoza por los Núñez de Sotomayor, ya citados, los Ornelas, de origen portugúes. Mi madre es Camino, también de los Rincón Gallardo, Altamirano de Castilla y los Ruiz de Esparza. Luego sabes por estos medios ya todos están vinculados entre todos los numerosos condados, marquesados, etc.
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> En fin, pienso que todos estan un vínculados con “la nobleza” tanto la mexicana como la española.
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Edgar Olguin Diaz
hola mendezdetorres
un cordial saludo
una pregunta
cual es el vínculo de la familia ruiz de esparza con “la nobleza” española?
tienes alguna informacion para conectar a los ruiz de esparza con la nobleza?
cual es su linaje ?
yo tengo ascendencia por varias lineas por los hijos de lope ll ruiz de esparza esposo de ana franca gabay navarro moctesuma y este lope ll hijo de lope l ruiz de esparza esposo de Maria Diez de Eguinoa.
agradezco la atencion prestada
gracias
que tengas un excelente dia
espero noticias
bye
Me es muy grato el poder saludar de nuevo a Nuestros Ranchos, aquellos que colaboran con esta página y a todos los participantes en este foro.
Hernandez, Carlos (San Ignacio Cerro Gordo, Arandas, JAL)
Some of Carlos Hernandez’s ancestry can be found here:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/24211
Rick A. Ricci
Hello Carlos,
I am curious to know the name of your father. Why you may ask, because I remember that you wanted to find a document connecting your grandfather to your father and there are a couple of variables that should be looked into. Both your grandfather and grandmother were married previously, and your grandmother’s first husband was also surnamed Hernández.
The other issue of finding your ancestor J. Guadalupe Hernandez’s baptismal record Is the possibility that J Guadalupe is the same person as Jose de Los Angeles Hernández. Why ? Because on another occasion I found someone that some tines used Jose Guadalupe and on other times used Jose Guadalupe de Los Angeles, and was also known as Jose de Los Angeles. I did find a baptismal record for a Jose de Los Angeles Hernández, son of J. Guadalupe’s parents.
You have another ancestor that used two names, “Jose de Los Santos” and “Jose De Dios”.
Have you researched your Romo ancestry? This is your closest relationship to me. Our Romo ancestries make us fifth cousins. You have another ancestral line that makes you a fifth cousin to my wife.
Hope you are well,
Rick A. Ricci
Buenos dias a todos
Estoy buscando mis antepasados paternos de Zacatecas y estoy bloqueado en la séptima generación y me gustaría entrar en contacto quien pueda ayudarme a continuar mis búsquedas.
I am seeking information on the Longoria family from Zacatecas. My son-in-law's grandfather is Arturo F. Longoria, born about 1927 in Zacatecas.
So, I presented my research to my son-in-law; it was the wrong Longoria family. There were two Longoria families, bother from Sombrerete, Zacatecas who immigrated to the US and settled in Anthony, NM/TX. My son-in-law is the son of Jose Longoria who is the son of Alberto Longoria who married Maria Eldia Rubalcava. Alberto is the son of Jose Ines Longoria, son of Sixto Longoria. I could find no intersection between the two Longoria families, but there must be one before 1800.
Thom Sloan
Thom,
This is the Longoria branch that your son in law descends from:
José María Vasquez and Gregoria de Santa Cruz are the parents of Ponciana Vasquez
Felipe Longoria and Maria Isabel Josefa Muñoz are the parents of Sixto Longoria Muñoz
Sixto Longoria Muñoz and Ponciana Vasquez Santa Cruz are the parents of Jose Ines Longoria Vasquez
Francisco Conde Cervantes and Josefa Lozano Santa Cruz are the parents of Teodora Conde Lozano
Jose Ines Longoria Vasquez and Teodora Conde Lozano are the parents of Alberto Longoria Conde
Alberto Longoria Conde and María Eldia Rubalcava (daughter of Antonio Rubalcava and Bernardina Farango) are the parents of Jose Longoria
Dionicio Conde (aka Dionicio Castillo Conde) and María Luciana Cervantes are the parents of Francisco Conde Cervantes
Dionicio Conde (Castillo Conde) is the natural son of Castor De la Cruz
Gil Lozano and Luisa Santa Cruz are the parents of Josefa Lozano Santa Cruz
Rick A. Ricci
Jorge,
Do you have Cenobia’s death record. If her name was originally Angeles then you may try looking for María de Los Angeles Longoria.
Jose Rosalio Minchaca Zamora and Cenobia Longoria Castañon are the parents of at least three: Edmundo, Roberto and Hector.
Rick A. Ricci
Rick,
I found their marriage certificate; Rosalio Minchaca Zamora (my grandfather) and Cenobia Longoria Castañon got married on September 11th 1900 in Sombrerete Zacatecas. The first name appears as Cenobia and not Angeles, I also found some of their children’s birth certificates and they all show that their mother’s first name was Cenobia. (In some matches from MyHeritage she appears as Senobia).
They were:
Edmundo Minchaca Longoria, born in 1902
Roberto Minchaca Longoria, born on September 20th, 1903
Eduardo Minchaca Longoria, born on September 8th, 1905
Maria Ernestina Minchaca Longoria, born on January 11th, 1908
Emma Minchaca Longoria, born on October 21st, 1909
Maria Aurora Minchaca Longoria, born on October 27th, 1911
Héctor Minchaca Longoria, born on August 15th, 1915 (my father)
Sergio Minchaca Longoria, born and deceased in 1920
Rodrigo Minchaca Longoria, born and deceased at unknown dates.
Jorge Minchaca
Hi Jorge,
Great news that you found Rosalio and Cenobias marriage record. There are two civil marriage records. I don’t know which of the two civil marriage records you found. One record doesn’t name their parents, but the second marriage record does. Here it is:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G522-S738?i=279&cc=191…
Rick A. Ricci
Hi Rick,
Thank you for your message.
Yes, this is the record I found. For once, it is very well written and all of the information is very clear.
Regards.
Jorge
Luis Longoria Castañon and his wife Ascencion are the parents of Manuel, Amalia, Andres, and Nicolas.
Salvador Longoria Castañon and His wife Juliana Ramirez de Longoria are the parents of Rosa and Miguel.
Here is the 1920 census that provides this information along with their ages:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?q.givenName=Luis&q.s…
Rick A. Ricci
The census record show the date and where Leovigia Flores de Longoria was born. It shows her as a widow with her daughter, Guadalupe.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQZ8-J55
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-95HF-4JQ?i=3026&cc=192…
Esposa María del Refugio Sánchez
Fecha: 30Aug/1989 Chihuahua
Could this be him? However the birthdate seems to be much too soon
Name: Arturo Longoria
[Arturo Longoria Flores]
Gender: Hombre (Male)
Birth Date: 28 nov. 1911
Birth Registration Place: Sombrerete, Zacatecas, México (Mexico)
Registration Date: 14 dic. 1911 (14 Dec 1911)
Father: Benigno Longoria
Mother: Leovigilda Flores
Page Number: 111
Volume 1910-12
There another Arturo Longoria, but his birth is much too late.
This is the correct Arturo Longoria. I did not realize he was so much older than his wife and I was searching in the wrong age groups.
Thomas
Benigno Longoria es hijo de Faustino Longoria y Dominga Castañon
Leovigilda Flores es hija de Ladislao Flores y Patrocinia Díaz
Faustino es hijo de Geronimo Longoria y Francisca Trejo
Dominga es hija de José Claro Castañon y Aniceta Maena (Mena)
Ladislao es hijo de Ventura Flores Y Patrocina Medina
Patrocina Diaz es hija De Vicente Diaz y Clemencia Zamora
Rick A. Ricci
My grandmother was known as Senobia Longoria but as far as I know her real first name was Angeles, I undestood that her parents were Faustino Longoria Trejo and Dominga Castañon, but she died in 1978 at the age of 97 which brings her to be born in 1881. I also understand that Faustino was born in 1884, therefore it cannot be his father.
I know that she had a brother named Salvador Longoria, married to Guadalupe Dominguez.
Does anyone know something about this?
Jorge
(I'm new in this forum and looking for my Zacatecas ancestors Minchaca & Longoria)
Jorge,
The Faustino Longoria Trejo that is Married to Dominga Castañon was not born in 1881. His children were born around that date.
Salvador Longoria Castañon was born 13/July/1890 at Sombrerete, Zacatecas. He crossed the USA/Mexico border into the USA on 27/Sep1946 at El Paso, Texas
Here is a link to his application for a border crossing ID card: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9B2-SQL4-2?cc=3155856…
It seems that Salvador Longoria Castañon lived for many years in Chihuahua and that he had a prior marriage before Guadalupe Dominguez. He was deported at one time prior to this application and in that record he has a different wife.
Salvador had an older brother Luis that he lived with for a time in Yuma, Arizona. He can be found there in the 1920 census.
In this record there is a picture of him and it names his wife as Juliana Ramirez and it says he has two children:
https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…
Benigno, Luis, and Salvador also had a sister named Maria Concepcion Longoria Castañeda. She was baptized 14/Jan/1893.
Here is a copy of her baptism:
https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…
Rick A. Ricci
Thanks Rick,
That means that my grandmother Senobia/Cenobita (Angeles) was another sister of Salvador, Luis, Maria Concepcion, Geronimo and Benigno.
I also know that Salvador married Guadalupe Dominguez and had 12 children, one of them is Mabel Longoria Dominguez who lived in Durango with my grand parents then migrated to El Paso and lives now in San Antonio.
Jorge
Jorge,
Geronimo isn’t their brother, he is their grandfather as he is the father of Faustino Longoria.
Tell me more about your grandmother, who she married, where she lived, and any clues that I can use to try to track her down.
1)- Geronimo Longoria married Francisca Trejo and they are the parents of Faustino
2)- Faustino Longoria married Dominga Castañon and they are the parents of
3). Luis, Benigno, Salvador, Maria Concepcion, and Senobia. They may have more siblings as those are only the ones that we have identified up to now.
Rick A. Ricci
Thomas
These records are indexed at Ancestry, but not at FamilySearch. However, the link to the record at Family Search is https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-952P-269?i=421&cc=1916…
This is from the Sobrerete Civil Birth Records for 1910-12, and is image 422.
George
Welcome to nuestrosranchos,
Jose Sixto Cuellar married on 2/Oct/1808 in Ojuelos, Jalisco to María Felipa Sánchez
Rick A. Ricci
Diego Alonso and Maria Gertudis are the parents of José María Alonso (senior).
Dario (?) Reyes and Maria Lauriana are the parents of Maria Dolores Reyes.
José María Alonso (senior) and Maria Dolores Reyes are the parents of José María Alonso (Junior) (Some records seem like they are written Roxas but the surname was originally Reyes.
Pedro Nolasco Ortiz and Aniceta López are the parents of Maria Antonia Ortis y Lopez
José María Alonso y Reyes and Maria Antonia Ortis are married on 1/Feb/1849, in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco.
https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-QJS4-FF?i=354&cc=18745…
Nicolas Ortis and Juana Gertrudis Lira are the parents of Pedro Nolasco Ortis
Jose Lopez and Juana Nuñez are the parents of Aniceta Lopez
Juan de Los Santos Ortiz and Luisa de la Encarnacion ar the parents of Nicolas Ortis
Nicolas de Lira and Bacilia Thiburcia are the parents of Juana Gertrudis de Lira
Jose Manuel Ortis (mulato esclavo) and Ana María Teresa de Jesús (India) are the parents of Juan de Los Santos Ortis
Ana María Teresa de Jesús Cruz is the daughter of Andres De la Cruz (Indio) and Maria Nicolaza Chavez (India)
Rick A. Ricci
Hello everyone. My name is Carlos, I live in Michigan and I am a first generation American to parents born in San Ignacio Cerro Gordo, Jalisco. I'm glad to be a part of and contribute to this group.
Bacilio Medina (18) is the son Jose Ana Medina and Cirila Samudio
Jose Ana Medina is the son of Pioquinto Medina and Juana Gómez
Cirila Samudio is the daughter of Zenón Samudio and Dominga Vasquez
Macedonio Hernández and Epifanía Balvanera
Macedonio is the son of Juan Jose Hernández and Antonia Rodríguez
Epifanía is the daughter of Gerardo Balvanera and Remigia Vasquez
Juan Jose Hernández is the son of Felipe Timoteo Hernández and Ma. Candelaria Veles (Vela).
Antonia is the daughter of Pedro Rodríguez and Joaquina Salgado
Ma. Candelaria Vela is the daughter of Juan Jose Antonio (Velia) Vela and Ma. Juana Gómez.
Felipe Timoteo Hernández is the son of Feliz (Felix) Clemente Hernández and Felipa Garcia
My grandfather is a third cousin to Santo Toribio Romo. You are also related to Santo Toribio Romo.
Rick A. Ricci
Hello Carlos,
Here are some more of your ancestors:
Silviano Medrano Cuevas and Maria Vasquez married on 24/July/1923
Silviano Medrano (1904- d. 27/Dec/1874) is the son of Sixto Medrano and Alvina Medina
Maria Vasquez is the daughter of Cristoval Vasquez and Maria Trinidad Angel
Sixto Medrano and Alvina Medina married on 1/June/1889.
Sixto Medrano (d. 11/Oct/1948)is the son of Salomé Medrano and Isabel cuevas
Alvina Medina (16/Dec/1869 Valle de Gpe) is the daughter of Juan Medina and Juliana Gutierrez. Juan and Juliana were married on 14/Sep/1860, Arandas.
Juan Medina is the son of Bacilio Medina and Agustina Hernández
Juliana Gutierrez is the daughter of José María Gutierrez and Francisca Angel
Agustina is the daughter of Macedonio Hernández and Epifanía Valvaneda
José María Gutierrez is the son of Juan Jose Gutierrez and Victoriana Dolores Nieves (married 28/May/1783, Tepa)
Maria Francisca Angel is the daughter of José María Ángel and Manuela Flores
Juan Jose Gutierrez is the son of juan Marcelino Gutierrez and Feliciana Ramirez
Victoriana Dolores Nieves Is the daughter of Juan Marcelino Nieves and Maria Dolores Valencia
Juan Marcelino Gutierrez and Feliciana Ramirez married on 25/July/1764, Guadalajara
Dear Carlos,
It turns out that we are fith cousins. You descend from a half sister of my ancestor Pablo Romo Gutierrez by the name of Maria Norberta de Jesus Romo.
Here is some of your ancestry:
Cosme Martinez Hernández is the son of J. Asencion Martinez and Lorenza Hernández
Maria Irene (Irinea) Navarro is the daughter of J. Isabel Navarro and Marcelina Cabrera
J. Isabel Navarro (d. 20/Jan/1837, 62 years old )Is the son of Ignacio Navarro and Angela Gomez
Marcelina Cabrera Daughter of Leonardo Cabrera Grimaldo and Jacinta Gonzalez
Leonardo Cabrera Grimaldo (b.1845-d. 15/June /1905) is the son of Felipe Cabrera and Maria Grimaldo
Jacinta Gonzalez is the daughter of Epifanio Gonzalez and Maria Norberta de Jesus Romo
Ignacio Navarro is the son of Simon Navarro Gonzalez and Virginia (Higinia)Gutierrez De la Torre.
Angela Gomez is the daughter of Albino Gómez and Nazaria Martin
Epifanio González Romo is the son of Juan de Dios Gonzalez Jimenez and Maria Fulgencia Romo Jimenez
Maria Fulgencia Romo Jimenez is the daughter of Juan Romo and Maria Guadalupe Jimenez
Maria Norberta de Jesús Romo is the daughter of Pedro Romo and Simona Diaz Macias
Albino Gómez is the son of Jose Gomez and Maria Leonides Torres (married 20/Jan/1869)
Jose Gómez is the son of Marcelo Gómez Cornejo and Manuela Martin Padilla.
Maria Leonides Torres Is the daughter of J. Trinidad Torres and Maria Del Refugio López
Maria Nazaria Martin is the daughter of José María Martin and Vicenta Ascencio
Simona Díaz is the daughter of Dionicio Diaz and Maria de San Jose Macias.
Rick A. Ricci
Book: Mygenes2000
Hello Carlos,
Your post is 2 and a half years old and I don’t know how far you have gone in your research. You are a distant cousin of mine. You repeatedly descend from the Hernández Gamino family. Here is some information on your family:
Sabino Hernández González (d.15/July/1947) is the son of J. Guadalupe Hernández-Gamino y Padilla and Sirila (Cirila) González y Valdivia. When he passes away he left his wife Guadalupe Hernández a widow. Sabino Hernández had been married first to Maria de Jesus Vivanco.
Maria Guadalupe Hernández (b, 12/Oct/1899)is the daughter of Jose Concepcion Hernández and Maria Dolores Lopez. She was also previously married as she was a widow of Juan Hernández Hernández when she married Sabino. Her first marriage was on 23/Feb/1922. Juan’s parents are Hilario Hernández and Maria Nieves Hernández.
Sabino and Maria Guadalupe were married on 25/Jun/1931 in Arandas, Jalisco, Mexico.
https://sg30p0.familysearch.org/service/records/storage/dascloud/das/v2…
J. Concepcion Hernández(bap.12/Dec/1850) is the son of Felix Hernandez and Francisca Tejeda. (Felix and Francisca M. 12/July/1848)
Maria Dolores Lopez is the daughter of Juan Lopez and Ramona Alvarez. Juan and Ramona were married on 16/June/1858 in Arandas, Jalisco.
Ramona Alvarez is the daughter of Manuel Alvarez and Maria de la Trinidad Miranda.
Jose Manuel Alvarez married 12/May/1819 in Arandas, Jalisco, Mexico to Maria de la Trinidad Miranda
Jose Manuel Alvarez was a widower and his first wife is Maria Catarina Martin.
Jose Manuel M. is the son of Jose Urbano Alvarez and Maria Petra Gonzalez (married 15/June/1780)
Maria de la Trinidad is the daughter of Simon Miranda and Maria Ana Zavala
Marriage record Image 171
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-FWDF-F?i=170&cc=1874591
Jose Urbano is the son of Felipe Alvarez and Maria Teresa Garcia
Felix (Feliz) Hernández is the son of Jose Luis Hernández-Gamino y Hernández and Maria Antonia Gordiana Barba.
Maria Antonia Gordiana Barba (bap 16/May/1790) is the daughter of. Rafael Barba and Maria Margarita de Los Angeles Moncayo Alvarez
Francisca Tejeda is the daughter of Juan Jose Tejeda and San Juana Hernández
Marriage record image 492
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-FQ6X-H?i=491&cc=1874591
Rick A. Ricci
Carlos,
Since you're just getting started, try the following steps. Locate the civil birth and civil marriage records of your grandparents and great grandparents in the civil records for Arandas using ancestry.com, where they're searchable. Those records include San Ignacio Cerro Gordo and they may provide you with the names of your 2x great grandparents. At that point you can then begin to trace your lines further back by using the parish records for Arandas and Ayotlán (formerly Ayo el Chico).
Good luck.
I have read through searching on here that all or most of the Hernandez the Los Altos sur region stem from the Hernández Gamiño line. (Here:http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/22428)
Can anyone here help me confirm or deny this, please? My great-grandfather is Sabino Hernandez-Gonzales born in Hacienda Guadalupe probably in the early 1900's. I don't know anything beyond him.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Hello Carlos,
You don’t provide much information to guide a search into your ancestors. Not all the Hernandez in Los Altos sur region descend from the Hernandez Gamino. The H and the F were interchangeable a couple of centuries ago so some of my Hernandez ancestors were more often known as Fernandez De Rueda which are not from the Hernandez Gamino family.
I would recommend that you gather as much information and records on your grandparents and great uncles and aunts as you can, and use this information to guide your next steps. It is important that you start with your own parents and their siblings records to see if they provide more information on your grandparents.
Good luck,
R.A.Ricci
Thank for the response and guidance. It is greatly appreciated. I have all but one grandparent left, which makes gathering [accurate] information difficult.
Thank you for the direction and links! Cheers!
you should give us your farthest ancestors that you're stuck on and see if anyone has information on them or can assist you.
Thank you for the response. For the time being I am trying to follow my Hernandez lineage as far as I can.
I will try to get some answers out of my remaining grandfather. I'll see if he remembers his grandparent's names, or anything else helpful.
For the time being, I know my great grandfather was Sabino Hernandez-Gonzales(z), born in Hacienda de Guadalupe (Municipality of Arandas) whom passed away around 86 years of age. He was married to Guadalupe Hernandez, born in Arandas whom passed away around 80 years of age. All according to my grandfather.
I was able to find a couple results on Ancestry.com for Sabino Hernandez-Gonzales(z), but cannot find a connection to my grandfather (his son).
Your grandfather.’s parents and grandparents are most likely listed in his baptismal or birth records. Sometimes these records even have great-grandparents. If your grandfather was related to his wife then there may be more information in a marriage dispensation. Ask your grandfather for the names and dates of his siblings. If you can’t find your grandfather’s records then you should look for his sibling’s records.
You can also check out those death records as they often have additional information. You don’t provide any dates so it would be difficult for others to help you without additional information that will help identify your ancestors.
I don't know about Arandas, but in the Colotlan area where my family is from they list grandparents on the Civil Registration marriage records from about 1860-1920. I would try and locate your great grandparents' marriage record. Usually, grandparents are also on the baptisms starting about 1800 and on the birth records.
This is for Linda Castanon-Long and Danny C. Alonso
I'm interested in the information on Adulfa Tadeo Briseño and Jose Antonio Garcia, but somehow I'm unable to access Linda's information on Rootsweb. Would you be so kind to share with me what you've found?
Thank you very much!
Hector
Trunk...Juan Antonio Garcia
Ma. Gabriela Garcia......,
..Rafael Garcia ..siblings 1st
Luz Cabrera Garcia.......,..Ma. Estefana Garcia.....2nd
Ma. Justa Cabrera...........Maximiliano Garcia Cadena.....3rd
Js. Victor Gonzales groom...Margarita Garcia Cadena ..4th
.
In error I had Juan Antonio listed ad Garcia de la Cadena
In fact is was Juan Antonio Garcia…
Juan Antonio had a son Rafael
Who had a daughter Estefana married to Juan Nepomuceno Garcia
They had a son who went by Maximiliano Garcia de la Cadena
His Father Juan Nepomuceno Garcia son of Pedro Jose Garcia de la Cadena.
.
Thanks a lot! It might have been that I looked for Briseño, and not Briceño.
In any case, you've already clarified my doubts, because I couldn't find the connection between Juan Antonio García and the Garcia de la Cadena family. It happens to be down the line.
Thank you very much and best regards,
Hector
Hi Linda,
Is the Juan Antonio Garcia that's married to Adolfa Tadea Briseno as far back as you go? I've been stuck on both of them for several years and wondered if the tree goes back any further?
Danny
I have not found parents or ancestors for either Juan Antonio or Adulfa Tadea..
Linda
I tried using Rootsweb to find Erlinda's tree, and for some reason, Ancestry (they own Rootsweb) did something to make it stop working. You may want to contact Erlinda directly to find out more.
Thank you su much. I just don't know hoy to contact her.
Hi Hector,
I think if you click on her name it gives you the option of sending her an email message. I've done it before with other members.
Danny
I am happy to share whatever I have with you. I do not have an ancestry account but I use their software so members can see my data but not my resource records and I don't know why you have not
been able to see my complete files on Rootsweb.
my e-mail is
Linda Castanon-Long
I'm wondering since my spelling is different could be the reason you could not se a record for Briceno..I see you have it spelled Briseno..
Linda Castanon-Long
I have not received any e-mails of forum posts for quite a while. So, I went into my account settings, and all three forums are set to send me all messages. So, my account settings are correct.
I believe there was an announcement that the e-mails would be discontinued since they were not working for everyone. Now you have to go to the website to read the messages.
Hola a todos:
Dear Enrique,
I have found the parents of Francisco Caro Galindo and I have solved the reason his daughter Magdalena used the last name "de la Cueva."
His parents are disclosed in Franciso's will, dated 5 Apr 1641 in Guadalajara Nueva Galicia. A fragment of it is quoted in Alonso Davalos Bracamonte's Application to be a Knight of Santiago. Their names are Hernan Caro Galindo and Mariana de la Cueva. I therefore now suspect that Mariana was related to the de la Cueva family in from Ubeda and Southern Spain. I quote the will as rendered in the Application:
"'En el nombre de Dios todoPoderoso amen sepan q.tos esta Carte de Testam.to vieren como Yo Fran.co Caro Galindo Vez.o de esta Ziud. de Guadalajara, Nuevo Rey.o de Galicia, y natural de la Villa de Carmona q oi es Ziu.d en Adalucia hijo lej{itimo de henan Caro Galindo, y de Da. Mariana de la Cueva mis. Pes.= al fo. 25 siguiente en al segunda partida, Dice = 'Soy casado Segunda Vez segun horden de la St.a Me. Yglesia con Da. Isavel de Castro y mesa, mi querida muger y esposa' = y a la buelta del dho. d.o ultima partida = ' Y durante el t.po del dho Matrimon.o con la dha. mi esposa y sra. tendemos dos hjos, la m.or Da. Madalena de la Cueva que tengo Casada con Dn. Diego de Vlibarri Guevara mi querido Yerno=' el qual testam.to se otorgo en la Ziud. de Guadalajara nuevo Rey.o de Galicia a cinco dias del mes de Abril de mill seiscientos y quarenta y un años ante henan Enrriquez del Casstillo Ss.no Publico de quien esta firmado y por el otorgante ya su ruego po no poder, un Test.o y dha Copia esta legaliziada en toda forma a f.o 26 Ba. i 27 de dho Instrumen.to="
I think this may give us further areas to research.
Greetings!
Sergio
Enrique,
I found another generation back of the Caro Galindo line. I found the will of Fernan/Hernan Caro Galindo, father of Francisco Caro Galindo. It was also in the file for Alonso Davalos Bracamonte when he applied to become a Knight of Santiago. It is an important document because it gives the parents of Hernan, and therefore the grandparents of Francisco Caro Galindo. They are Francisco Caro Galindo and Leonor de Sanctaella. Her name may be archaeic, and actually now be spelled Santaella. Bu the will also lists their children, which in typical 16th century fashion do not all bear the name of the father, but had a last name chosen for them.
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/show/1341108?nm
Image 289
ante Juan de Medina 20 May 1576 en Carmona:
" 'en el nombre de Dios amen. Sepan q.tos esta carta de testam.to e ultima voluntad vieren Como yo Fernan Caro Galindo hijo de fran.co caro Galindo y de Leonor de Sanctaella su lexitima muger mis padres e señores defuntos que Dios tiene vezino q. soi en esta mui noble e leal villa de Carmona en la Colacion del s.or Santiago= y a la quarta foxa Ba en la clausula de herederos dice así = e cumplido e pagado este dicho my testtam.to en lo fincable e rremanente que de los dhos mis vienes quedarse dejo e nombre por mis lexitimis e universales herederos a luis caro, a Juan de la Cueva, a leonor Caro, a Juan Caro, a franco Caro mis fixos e fixas lexitimos e fixos e fixas lexitimas de la dicha Marina de la Cueva mi muger a queales instituyo e dejo por mis lexitimos e universales herederos'"
In the pages immediately before this (page 283-285) a relative (quarto grado) of the family living in Carmona, who styled himself "principal de la familia" by the name of Jeronimo Caro Galindo, aged 70 in 1699, afirms that the Caro Galindo owned a chapel in the church of San Blad. He also says that Francisco "tiendo otros hermanos y siendo entre ellos el de menor edad se paso el Nuevo Rey.o de Mejico en donde se caso con Isabel de Catro y Mesa" and also goes on to say that he was "poseedor de la Capilla que esta en la Parroquial de San Blas con armas y entierros y que en la misma forma la tiene la familia de la Cueva en la Parroquial de Santiago." it looks like the church of San Bals in Carmona still stands:
https://sevillapedia.wikanda.es/wiki/Iglesia_de_San_Blas_(Carmona)
As far as the family shield the witnesses say it was situated "al lado del evangelio un escudo de arma dividido en quatro quarterones el primero en campo de plata con una cruz orleada con ocho calderos. Y en el segundo con ojas de higuera en campo de oro y en los dos siguientes un brazo con una espada y tres bandas en Campo negro."
http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/show/1341108?nm image 289
Love what we can find in the old documents!
Sergio
Hi Sergio,
Thanks for sharing this with the group. This is a big find! I descend from Dávalos Bracamonte twice, namely the first Count of Miravalle and his brother Diego Dávalos Bracamonte. Their great grandchildren Cor. Antonio Dávalos Bracamonte, Señor de las villas de Melezna, Cadasresnas, Ornija y Viariz would marry his second cousin Josefa Marín del Valle y Dávalos Bracamonte.
A few questions: why would there be two children with identical first names, but distinct surnames. Juan de la Cueva and Juan Caro Galindo. This proves that the de la Cueva surname carried some type of importance in this family, for a male who is Caro Galindo to prefer his maternal name. Was he a namesake? I too suspect, it is the same de la Cueva family in Andalucía. These branches seem to have intermarried in Nueva Galicia.
A descendant of Francisco Caro Galindo and Isabel de Castro y Mesa, was Nicolasa de Camberos y Tolosa who married Agustín de la Cueva ca. 1680 and suspect these two are related through said family line. I have not located the dispensa yet, but would be interesting to see if they connect in Spain or in Mexico.
Three other individuals that unavoidably come to find: How do all these lines connect in Ubeda?
My 8th great grandfather Pedro de la Cueva y Carvajal, owner of the vast Los Acahuales latifundio, who was the son of Lic. Pedro de la Cueva y Mendoza, Secretario de Gobierno and Leonor de Carvajal y Ojeda. According to his grandson el Lic. Diego de la Mota y Carvajal, Cura Beneficiado de Ixtlán (Michoacán) aspiración a órdenes it mentions the de la Cueva are from Ubeda en los Reinos de Castilla, familia principal y noble de aquella ciudad, hijosdalgo, limpios de sangre, cristianos viejos, etc.
The conquistadores and brothers: Capt. Juan de la Cueva who married Catalina de la Torre y Colio in Guadalajara and the other Francisco de la Cueva.
In regards to Jerónimo Caro Galindo, the third cousin, the word "principal" can easily be synonymous to Mayorazgo or head of the house who holds the primogeniture. It would be worthwhile to research the Carmona records to see if we can locate anything in regards to this vínculo, if it exists. If so, we should be able to trace this mayorazgo, again, if it existed.
Best regards,
Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino
I have found a Marriage church record in Magdalena Jalisco of Diego Caro Galindo son of Fernando Caro Galindo and Angela de Renteria dated March 1st 1699 He married Mariana Melendez viuda de Garcia Monrroy, there are also records of Joseph and Antonio Caro Galindo about the same year.
Thank you
Hola prim@s,
Manny,
this is great information. i descend from Gines de Carrion y Mata. does it give anymore of his ancestry. or how he descends from Pedro de Mata? is it through his paternal or maternal side.
Also is this Juana Martel, the wife of the Portuguese, Miguel de Sierra, that abandoned his wife Juana to live with his previous wife who he had told everyone was dead?
Francisca Temino is also an ancestor of mine. Both of them, there's one married to Gines de Carrion y Mata and one married to Juan Ramírez de la Campaña, they may actually be the same person but i have them born about 15 years apart. although both are listed as relatives of Angela Velasco.
Hi Danny,
I’m sorry, those are the only clues Gines de Carrion gives, in regards to his pedigree, and I don’t know who his nor his wife’s parents are. Nor do I know who Juana Martel aka Maria Martel is, other than the woman identified in this letter. Nor do I know who Miguel de Sierra is, I haven’t seen that name in early Pinos. Was he married to a Juana Martel? That would be cool if he was.
I like how Carrion even points out that Domingo Diaz was padrino for one of his own children, and how you can check the baptism book, to see! It’s right there, 6 Oct 1620! The child’s name was even Domingo! The audacity!
My new favorite expression: “poner una mascara a los ojos de las gentes”: pulling the wool over people’s eyes!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
Thanks for your in-depth research, it is very interesting and disturbing especially when its your relatives. I went searching for Pedro de Mata and only came up with the following which is a very dark history of the Inquisition.
The following was a sentence, I thought was connected to the archived article, but I did not find this at all though Cardona's name was mentioned in the Italian section.
"...to Don Pero Mata requests him to let Cardona continue in occupation of ..."
https://archive.org/details/theinquisition00leauoft
On page 33, First paragraph, 3 sentence is an interesting read. as p118 (bigamy, Solicitation), p184 - solicitation (1561), p244, p250 from 1625-1640.
"Everyone has a good ancestor, if you can go back far enough" This was a quote I read a very long time ago."
Manny,
yeah Juana Martel married the Portuguese, Miguel de Sierra on October 24, 1613 in Aguascalientes. she was the daughter of Hernando Gallegos/Martel and Maria de Frias. Miguel de Sierra married her claiming to be a widower, but eventually left Juana Martel and returned back to Portugal to be with his original wife that wasn't actually dead.
WOW...you really can't make this stuff up!
Hola Danny:
La familia Ramírez se ha caracterizado porque los hombres son polígamos y cambian sus nombres al momento de registrar a los hijos. No es caso aislado, me tocó que algunos tíos todavía lo hacían y decían necesitar varias familias para que les ayudaran a trabajar diferentes negocios. Ese Juan Ramírez "de la Campaña" puede ser el nombre real ya que todos los hijos de los Ramírez de Coy se llaman Juan y la hija mayor Juana.
Otra costumbre de los Ramírez de Coy es casarse entre primos hermanos, todavía me tocó conocer esos casos, era para concentrar las propiedades que en éste caso no eran haciendas ganaderas como en otras familias sino redes de comercio y minas de plata, la última se vendió en el año 2003.
Las personas de ésta historia parecen estar relacionadas "con las minas de Comanja" si esas minas eran de plata puede ser otro punto de coincidencia. Ésta poligamia, éste cambio de nombres no fueron casos aislados sino una forma de vida.
Saludos
Marcelina
Hi Manny,
I found a document regarding a Pedro de Mata. I'm not sure if it's the same as the (Alcaide que fue del Castillo de Triana), great grandfather of Gines de Carrion that's married to Francisca de Temino. The Pedro de Mata I came across mentions him as a marinero, capitan and maestre. Even if he's not the same, he clearly must be related. This Pedro de Mata is listed as dying in 1562 in Cartagena and as the son of Gines de Carrion and Leonor de Mata:
https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/72018779.pdf
Danny
Hi Danny,
I found Capitan Pedro de Mata’s testamento at PARES/AGIS, dated 1562. As you mentioned, he died while captaining his ship in Cartagena, Columbia, and he was the son of Gines de Carrion and Leonor de Mata, residents of Barrio de Triana in Sevilla. This Gines de Carrion is probably the same who was a ship’s captain who sailed to Indies in the 1520s, and who later owned various ships that made transatlantic trips, in particular, carrying gold from Peru back to Spain. I think it’s possible that Leonor de Mata was the daughter of Alcaide Pedro de Mata, which would explain why her son was named Pedro de Mata. If I’m right, then Gines de Carrion and Leonor de Mata could be the grandparents of Gines de Carrion, who settled in San Luis Potosi and later in Sierra de Pinos; Capitan Pedro de Mata would’ve been his uncle.
If so, then the younger Gines de Carrion would’ve been the black sheep of the family, seeing how they had such a nautical background, yet he chose to live so far away from the ocean!
Great find! Hope you’re well, Danny!
Manny Díez Hermosillo
Manny,
I found a few mentions of Gines de Carrion. There's a mention in 1546 of a Gines de Carrion purchasing a vihuela at an auction who they say is most likely el Mozo who they describe as the nephew of Gines de Carrion el Viejo. Both are described in the few available sources as comitres and capitanes. I found it interesting that Gines de Carrion, el Mozo, was the nephew and not the son. I also found this mention of Gines de Carrion, el Viejo: Ginés de Carrión, cómitre, marido primero de Leonor López, hija de Juan García y de Juana López, que le llevó de dote 45.000 mrs., dada por la abuela, Leonor López, viuda de Alonso López ( A . P . S . , III 1517 [ = 1517 ], al 23 de enero ), y después de Leonor de Mata, que le aportó una dote de 600.000 mrs. ( Triana ). Hizo testamento el 1 de julio de 1531...
All of your work is amazing Manny. I always look forward to seeing your posts. I hope you continue sharing your amazing finds here.
Danny
Danny & Manny
I have found that the Gines Carrion (born in 1561) who married Francisca de Tremiño was the son of another Gines Carrion born in 1520 who married Leonor de Mata (born in 1519).
Leonor was the daughter of Pedro de Mata who lived in Triana besides the Castillo de San Jorge and died in 1562. I don’t know if this is the one who was Alguacil Mayor de la Santa Inquisicion but he is not the great-grandfather of Gines Carrion Mata but just his grandfather and Mata is simply his Mother’s family name.
Saludos
Jorge
Jorge,
Thank you very much. The time lines you give can be reconciled with what I’ve found in San Luis Potosi and Sierra de Pinos. And it’s always possible that Pedro de Mata - maternal grandfather of Gines de Carrion - was the son of Alcaide Pedro de Mata, mentioned by Gines de Carrion in his letter. What are your sources?
Danny,
According to the baptism record, dated 15 Dec 1615 in Pinos, of Diego, hijo de Gines de Carrion y de doña Francisca de Temiño, his padrinos were Rodrigo Heredia and doña Angela de Velasco, “tía del dicho Diego.” On 20 Nov 1616, in Aguascalientes, baptized was Rodrigo, hijo de Juana Medina; his padrinos were “doña Angela de Velasco y su primo, Rodrigo de Heredia.”
From the time line and the locations, doña Angela de Velasco is likely the same who was daughter of Juan Ramirez de la Campaña and doña Francisca Temiño de Velasco, and who was married to Geronimo de Orozco. If so, that she was the “aunt” of Diego Carrion, would imply that she was the sister of the child’s mother, doña Francisca de Temiño, who would therefore be the daughter of Juan Ramirez de la Campaña and the elder doña Francisca Temiño de Velasco. Again, the time lines and locations work. But then, the word “tía” was also used for elderly cousins!
Thanks, and I hope you are all well!
Manny Díez Hermosillo
Manny,
My sources are the available data from different Internet sites and then I try to match the most logical information.
I start with my account in MyHeritage with Record Matches and Smart Matches, doing Search for the person then I go to FamilySearch for eventual civil registrations. Then I go to other genealogical sites like WikiTree, Geneanet or simply by Wikipedia. If the names and time lines are the same I assume that is the information is right.
Sometimes I use an old set of books called “Mexico a través de los siglos”.
Of course I consult also the Recent Posts of “Nuestros Ranchos”. Rick brings a lot of information and corrections.
I’m particularly interested in my ancestors from Aguascalientes and Zacatecas.
Good search for 2021.
Jorge
Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
i'm hoping someone has information on this couple Adolfa Tadea Briceño and
Juan Antonio Garcia from Jerez, Zacatecas; i think they were born about
1740 probly in Jerez
this link will take you to what I have on this family. If you click on a name it will give you whatever information I have on that person. I am not related but someone from this line married into my family in the district of Jerez, Zac. My records are on Rootsweb and my file is called Mexico. I hope this helps. I do not have a marriage or baptism records for Juan Antonio or Adulfa Tadea.
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=mexico&id=I12…
Thank you Linda. This is the first time I've seen the name Garcia de la Cadena. I just had him as Juan Antonio Garcia. this is a good clue to finding his ancestors. Thnk you
Danny C. Alonso
Hello Danny,
I'm interested in the information on Adulfa Tadeo Briseño and Jose Antonio Garcia, but somehow I'm unable to access Linda's information on Rootsweb. Would you be so kind to share with me what you've found?
Thank you very much!
Hector
Buenos días a todos.
1) Donde dice "pone entredicho" debe decir "pone en entredicho"
2) Donde dice "patronímico de Fermoselle" debe decir "toponímico de Fermoselle".
Ana Petra Zermeño is the daughter of Juan Zermeño and Maria Bernarda
Mary Lou Montagna is also a descendant of Francisco Mena and Anna Maria Ponce.
See her post on :
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/23802
You also descend from Juan Antonio Moreno and Anna Maria Galban. You can see a post on their ancestry on :
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/19705?page=1
Rick A. Ricci
Hi Rick A. Ricci,
I want to thank you so much for this information. I can't read Spanish but I have friends that can. So I will make copies of these documents. But what I see is she is my 3rd Great Grandmother. I can't thank you enough. Thank for taking the time to help me. Are you related to the Zermrno or Valderamma family?
Laurie Machen
Hi Laurie,
I believe that I am related to you through Ana Petra Zermeño Estrada’s mother, but I still need to gather more information to tell you the exact degree of relationship. I believe that I have Ana Petra Zermeño’s mother’s baptismal record.
Here is your Mena line:
1.)- Francisco Mena and Ana María Ponce
2.)- Jose Antonio Mena married 10/Apr/1736 Juana Bautista Moreno Galvan
3.)- Juan Calletano de Mena (bap. 14/March/1741) and Maria Josefa Antonia Petra Alcorcha
4.)- Jose Antonio Mena married Maria Eulogia Samora
5.)- José Apolinario Mena bap. 2/Aug/1821 married Hilaria Gómez
6.)- Fermin Mena 1853-1904 married 28/Feb/1876 Maria Dionicia Gómez
7.)- Jose Jesus Mena married 9/Jan1904 Juan Lopez Arrieta
8.)- Jose Sixto Mena 1905-1962 married San Juana “Juanita” Valderrama
9.)- Mary Mena 1940-2003 married Donald Frederick Bickel
10.)- Laurie Bickel
Maria Josefa Antonia Petra Alcorcha is the daughter of Santiago Alcorcha and Ana María Reynoso.
Maria Eulogia Samora is the daughter of Jose de la Luz Samora (Zamores )and Maria Ynes Delgado .
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
I am researching my 8th GG-father Juan Castaneda born 10/12/1686 in Pinos, Zac. He married Juana Carabajal on 4/5/1707 at Pinos. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5F8-WNC
I have found that Thomasa’s records show her as "Tomassa de Carrion", daughter of Antonio de Carrion (1645-?) and Francisca Beatriz Rodriguez (1648-1700).
Antonio de Castañeda León y Vargas (1660-1743) was son of Nicolás de Castañeda León y Ruelas Sotomayor (1620-1689) and Ana Maria de Vargas de Cardona (1636-1722).
Jorge
In my tree I have Pedro de Vargas Castañeda (b. 1660) m. Francisca Lopez Mercado He lived in Teul and while I haven't yet found proof, I'm fairly sure he's connected to Nicolas and Ana because of the compound surname.
Pedro has a brother Joseph de Vargas Castaneda m. Francisca Vela Castro. Their daughter Micaela - who married the brother of Francisca Lopez Mercado - was identified as "Micaela de Vargas Castaneda Machuca" on the baptism record of her daughter.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-2G6D-C?cc=1874591&wc=3J6H-…
- Andrea
Carolyn Gomez Duran
Bill, Jaime, Daniel,Jorge and everybody researching this family,
As I read the recent posting I am in awe of the work you all perform as expert genealogist! I have so much to learn but am so grateful to have found Nuestros Ranchos!
Thank you all for this gift!
Carolyn
Carolyn,
The marriage information ("Informacion Matrimonial") for Juan de Castañeda and Juana de Carbajal was registered in Aguascalientes on 12 March 1707, and the license to marry was granted two weeks later on March 28th also in Aguascalientes. The link to see this document is
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11044-17161-7?cc=1502404&w…
Juan de Castañeda and Juana de Carbajal were married on 5 April 1707 at the church of San Matias in Sierra de Pinos, Zac. (within the jurisdiction of Aguascalientes). Notice that the parents of Juan de Castañeda are identified as Antonio de Castañeda and Thomasa de Carrion, and those of Juana de Carbajal as Juan de Carbajal (difunto) and Catharina de Sanabia. This last surname seems to be misspelled and could be either Sanabria or Sarabia. Notice that Juan de Castañeda is said to be "Natural y Vecino del Puesto nombrado La Noria" (in Sierra de Pinos) and Juana de Carbajal "Natural y Vecina de Guadalajara". Juana de Carbajal was living at the Real de Sierra de Pinos when the marriage license was granted. Just another piece of the puzzle.
BILL FIGUEROA
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From: casavolver@lpbroadband.net
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 5:40 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Castaneda, Carabajal, Carrion
I am researching my 8th GG-father Juan Castaneda born 10/12/1686 in Pinos, Zac. He married Juana Carabajal on 4/5/1707 at Pinos.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5F8-WNC
I am stuck on his parents Antonio Castaneda and Thomasa de Carrion.
I have Juana born 7/30/1690 at Guadalajara and parents as Juan Carabajal and Catharina Sanama or Sanabria.
Any help would be appreciated.
Carolyn
Bill and Carolyn,
On familysearch, one of the submited genealogies, someone referred Antonio de Castañeda as Antonio de Castañeda y Vargas, this might be a possible reference in a baptismal record for one of their children. We should research this, if this be the case I have already found a possible link as to parents for Antonio: Nicolás de Castañeda who married Antonia de Vargas Machuca who also had Apolonia de Castañeda. This last daughter married Capt. Sebastián Flores de Robles ca. 1693.
It will be interesting to further research the Castañeda and Carrión families, there are many missing links in the genealogy.
I hope this helps somehow.
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
Good job, Don Daniel,
Hasta pronto,
Pablo Juan Gómez de Lizarraga Martínez-Peña
Paul J Gomez
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 28, 2013, at 6:12 AM, Daniel Mendez de Torres Camino wrote:
> Bill and Carolyn,
> On familysearch, one of the submited genealogies, someone referred Antonio de Castañeda as Antonio de Castañeda y Vargas, this might be a possible reference in a baptismal record for one of their children. We should research this, if this be the case I have already found a possible link as to parents for Antonio: Nicolás de Castañeda who married Antonia de Vargas Machuca who also had Apolonia de Castañeda. This last daughter married Capt. Sebastián Flores de Robles ca. 1693.
> It will be interesting to further research the Castañeda and Carrión families, there are many missing links in the genealogy.
> I hope this helps somehow.
> Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
Carolyn Gomez Duran
Bill and Daniel,
Yesterday I looked up Antonio Castaneda and Thomasa Carrion's eight children's baptisms. I found no records of grandparent's names or the name Vargas as a godparent.
Sadd to report this!
Carolyn
Carolyn and Daniel,
This past week I did extensive research on the Castañeda family trying to find the parents of Antonio de Castañeda, but was unable to pinpoint them. One of the first records I checked was the marriage of Miguel de Castañeda to María López, which is also one of the oldest records of a Castañeda living in Sierra de Pinos (within the jurisdiction of Aguascalientes at that time). Their marriage record reads as follows:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-52070-13?cc=1502404&…
Al margen: "Miguel de Castañeda y María López, españoles"
"En primero de febrero de dicho año (1653), se casó y veló según el orden
de la Santa Madre Iglesia habiendo antecedido todas las diligencias que manda
el concilio, Maria López, viuda de Joan Valadés, vecino que fue de esta
jurisdición, con Miguel de Castañeda, hijo legítimo de P.... de Castañe-
da, y de Jasinta de Sotomayor, vecinos de la jurisdición de Sierra de Pinos,
fue su padrino el Capitán Juan de Quenca y Escalante. Y lo firmé
Pedro Rincon de Ortega"
Miguel de Castañeda and María López had a son named Diego who wed María Ruiz de Esparza 11 Aug 1681 in Aguascalientes; when María died Diego married Mariana de Mendoza y Villalobos circa 31 Dec 1701, also in Aguascalientes.
Other records from the same period clearly indicate that the parents of Miguel de Castañeda were Pedro de Castañeda and Jacinta de Sotomayor. The testament of Josepha de Castañeda, for example, filed in Aguascalientes in 1710 reads "...Sepan quantos este testamento y ultima voluntad vieren como yo Josepha de Castañeda vesina de esta Villa de Nra. Señora de la Asunpcion de Aguas Calientes e hija lexitima de Pedro de Castañeda y de Jasinta de Sotomaior dho. mi padre natural de la ciudad de Mexico y mi madre del pueblo de Thequaltichi (Teocaltiche) e como estoy sana y buena y deseando salvar mi alma temiendo de la muerte para quando Dios sea servido de que llegue por ser cosa natural a toda criatura....etc. etc." . Four years later in 1714, she followed up with her final will and testament which confirms the preceeding one. It reads "....Sea notorio a los que la presente carta vieren de mi testamento y ultima voluntad como yo, Josepha de Castañeda vesina de esta Villa hija lexitima de Pedro de Castañeda y Jasinta de Sotomaior vecinos y naturales del real y minas de S. Mathias de Sierra de Pinos de donde yo lo soy...etc. etc."
Based on these and other documents I have identified the following children of Pedro de Castañeda and Jacinta de Sotomayor: 1) Miguel, 2) Jacinta, 3) Nicolasa, 4) Josepha, 5) Theresa and 6) Gabriel. Unfortunately, I was unable to identify the parents of Antonio de Castañeda, although I believe he was closely related.
Apolonia de Castañeda, who married 1) Alonso de Guzman y Prado and 2) Sebastián Flores de Robles, was a daughter of Nicolás de Castañeda and Anna de Vargas (Machuca). I believe Nicolás was Pedro's brother, but have not found the proper documentation. Notwithstanding, Josepha de Castañeda instructed the executors of her will to use some of the proceedings from the sale of her property to establish a Capellanía to assist HER NEPHEW Francisco Lino de Guzman to be ordained priest of the Catholic Church. Francisco Lino de Guzmán was the son of Alonso de Guzmán and Apolonia de Castañeda.
I am still trying to fill-in some of the gaps in the Castañeda Sotomayor family tree. However, I do believe that Antonio de Castañeda was related to Apolonia de Castañeda and thus to Anna de Vargas Machuca (it is Anna, Daniel, not Antonia). We need to find out how. Antonio fits the timeline and could be a brother of Apolonia de Castañeda.
I believe Pedro de Castañeda, who was born in México City, was the first Castañeda to arrive in Sierra de Pinos and Aguascalientes, probably after marrying Jacinta de Sotomayor in Teocaltiche.
Carolyn, could you let me know which eight children you found for Antonio de Castañeda and Thomasa Carrión, and their baptismal dates? I have Juan, María, María Nicolasa, Francisca and Polonia.
BILL FIGUEROA
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From: casavolver@lpbroadband.net
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:41 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Castaneda, Carabajal, Carrion
Carolyn Gomez Duran
Bill and Daniel,
Yesterday I looked up Antonio Castaneda and Thomasa Carrion's eight children's baptisms. I found no records of grandparent's names or the name Vargas as a godparent.
Sad to report this!
Carolyn
Carolyn and Daniel,
When checking the marriage record of Andrés Martínez de Sotomayor with Ana de Castañeda, I discovered an interesting fact that seems to confirm my suspicions that Antonio de Castañeda was the son of Nicolás de Castañeda and Anna de Vargas Machuca, and therefore brother of Apolonia de Castañeda. The link is as follows:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15246-27952-17?cc=1804458&wc…
Notice that Ana de Castañeda, daughter of Antonio de Castañeda and Thomasa de Carrión, is identified as Ana de Castañeda y Vargas. That pretty much tells me that she was named after her maternal grandmother Anna de Vargas Machuca, and that she sometimes used the surname Vargas. Here is a complete transcription of this record:
Al margen: "Noria / Andres Martinez con Ana de Castañeda"
"En el Real y Minas de San Mathias Sierra
de Pinos en diez de febrero de mill setecientos y veinte y dos
años haviendo precedido las tres amonestaciones que
dispone el Santo Concilio de Trento en tres dias festivos
Intter Misarum Solemnia y no haviendo de todo re-
sultado impedimento alguno Canónico como todo consta
de los Autos que pasan en este Archivo Eclesiástico que me
remitto el R. P. Fr. Joseph de Mesa, Cura Maestro de
Doctrina de los Indios de dho Real, con mi lisencia
casó por palabras de presente y veló Infacie Ecclesiae a
Antonio Martinez de Sotomaior, Español, originario de los Taco-
tes y vecino de esta Jurisdision, hixo lexitimo de Domingo Marti-
nez de Sotomaior y de Da. Theresa de Guerra, españoles difun-
tos, con Ana de Castañeda y Vargas, española originaria y resi-
dente en esta Jurisdición en el puesto nombrado La Noria, hi-
xa legitima de Antonio de Castañeda y de Thomasa de
Carrion, españoles, fueron testigos a dicha selebrasion
y Velasion los Capitanes Fermin de Sasiayn? y Esteban Mu-
ñoz y otras muchas personas y para que conste lo firmé
D. Cosme Borruel"
There are probably other church records from San Matías de Sierra de Pinos that we can check. Let me know what you think.
BILL FIGUEROA
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From: Bill Figueroa
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Castaneda, Carabajal, Carrion
Carolyn and Daniel,
This past week I did extensive research on the Castañeda family trying to find the parents of Antonio de Castañeda, but was unable to pinpoint them. One of the first records I checked was the marriage of Miguel de Castañeda to María López, which is also one of the oldest records of a Castañeda living in Sierra de Pinos (within the jurisdiction of Aguascalientes at that time). Their marriage record reads as follows:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-52070-13?cc=1502404&…
Al margen: "Miguel de Castañeda y María López, españoles"
"En primero de febrero de dicho año (1653), se casó y veló según el orden
de la Santa Madre Iglesia habiendo antecedido todas las diligencias que manda
el concilio, Maria López, viuda de Joan Valadés, vecino que fue de esta
jurisdición, con Miguel de Castañeda, hijo legítimo de P.... de Castañe-
da, y de Jasinta de Sotomayor, vecinos de la jurisdición de Sierra de Pinos,
fue su padrino el Capitán Juan de Quenca y Escalante. Y lo firmé
Pedro Rincon de Ortega"
Miguel de Castañeda and María López had a son named Diego who wed María Ruiz de Esparza 11 Aug 1681 in Aguascalientes; when María died Diego married Mariana de Mendoza y Villalobos circa 31 Dec 1701, also in Aguascalientes.
Other records from the same period clearly indicate that the parents of Miguel de Castañeda were Pedro de Castañeda and Jacinta de Sotomayor. The testament of Josepha de Castañeda, for example, filed in Aguascalientes in 1710 reads "...Sepan quantos este testamento y ultima voluntad vieren como yo Josepha de Castañeda vesina de esta Villa de Nra. Señora de la Asunpcion de Aguas Calientes e hija lexitima de Pedro de Castañeda y de Jasinta de Sotomaior dho. mi padre natural de la ciudad de Mexico y mi madre del pueblo de Thequaltichi (Teocaltiche) e como estoy sana y buena y deseando salvar mi alma temiendo de la muerte para quando Dios sea servido de que llegue por ser cosa natural a toda criatura....etc. etc." . Four years later in 1714, she followed up with her final will and testament which confirms the preceeding one. It reads "....Sea notorio a los que la presente carta vieren de mi testamento y ultima voluntad como yo, Josepha de Castañeda vesina de esta Villa hija lexitima de Pedro de Castañeda y Jasinta de Sotomaior vecinos y naturales del real y minas de S. Mathias de Sierra de Pinos de donde yo lo soy...etc. etc."
Based on these and other documents I have identified the following children of Pedro de Castañeda and Jacinta de Sotomayor: 1) Miguel, 2) Jacinta, 3) Nicolasa, 4) Josepha, 5) Theresa and 6) Gabriel. Unfortunately, I was unable to identify the parents of Antonio de Castañeda, although I believe he was closely related.
Apolonia de Castañeda, who married 1) Alonso de Guzman y Prado and 2) Sebastián Flores de Robles, was a daughter of Nicolás de Castañeda and Anna de Vargas (Machuca). I believe Nicolás was Pedro's brother, but have not found the proper documentation. Notwithstanding, Josepha de Castañeda instructed the executors of her will to use some of the proceedings from the sale of her property to establish a Capellanía to assist HER NEPHEW Francisco Lino de Guzman to be ordained priest of the Catholic Church. Francisco Lino de Guzmán was the son of Alonso de Guzmán and Apolonia de Castañeda.
I am still trying to fill-in some of the gaps in the Castañeda Sotomayor family tree. However, I do believe that Antonio de Castañeda was related to Apolonia de Castañeda and thus to Anna de Vargas Machuca (it is Anna, Daniel, not Antonia). We need to find out how. Antonio fits the timeline and could be a brother of Apolonia de Castañeda.
I believe Pedro de Castañeda, who was born in México City, was the first Castañeda to arrive in Sierra de Pinos and Aguascalientes, probably after marrying Jacinta de Sotomayor in Teocaltiche.
Carolyn, could you let me know which eight children you found for Antonio de Castañeda and Thomasa Carrión, and their baptismal dates? I have Juan, María, María Nicolasa, Francisca and Polonia.
BILL FIGUEROA
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From: casavolver@lpbroadband.net
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2013 6:41 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Castaneda, Carabajal, Carrion
Carolyn Gomez Duran
Bill and Daniel,
Yesterday I looked up Antonio Castaneda and Thomasa Carrion's eight children's baptisms. I found no records of grandparent's names or the name Vargas as a godparent.
Sad to report this!
Carolyn
Carolyn Gomez Duran
The children I have identified for Antonio Castaneda and Thomasa Carrion are the following:
Gregorio Joseph Castaneda born July 5, 1684 Baptism source number 1095293, image 27 Padrinoas Antonio de Carrion and Dona Maria de Ascension Oropessa, his wife.
Juan Castaneda born Oct. 12, 1686 Baptism source number 1095293, image 49 Padrino Estaban Munos in the presence of Miguel Castaneda and Antonia de Castaneda.
Maria Nicolasa Castaneda born Oct., 01, 1688 Baptism source number 1095293, image 64
Padrinos Alonzo de Guzman and Polonia de Castaneda! :-)
Francisca Castaneda born July 31, 1693 Baptism source number 1095293, image 103 Padrinos Antonio de Aguilar and Mariana Dias de la Puente, his wife. They lived at Rancho de Castaneda Sabala.
Ana Castaneda de Vargas born Dec., 10, 1695 Baptism source number 1095293, image 130
Padrino Antonio de Carrion.
Geronima Castaneda born Nov., 05, 1698 Baptism source number 1095293, image 172 Padrino Juan Munos
Polonia Castaneda born July 14, 1701 Baptism source number 1095293, image 203 Padrinos Antonio de Carrion and Dona Gertrudi Marin de Penalosa at Rancho de Castaneda.
Juan Antonio Castaneda born July 17, 1704 Baptism source number 1095294, image 136 Padrinos Antonio Serrano and Teresa Nieto at Rancho de Castaneda.
I also have Nicolas Cstaneda, no birth date, married to Maria Gomes.
By George, I mean by Bill I think you've got it!!
Carolina
Thank you, Carolyn. I'm pretty sure we're on the right track. Another piece of the puzzle is in the baptismal record of María Nicolasa de Castañeda, which identifies her padrinos as Alonzo Guzmán and Polonia de Castañeda. I believe this is the same María who married Martín Ruiz de Esparza in 1704, right? Here is the link to that marriage:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15246-29445-25?cc=1804458&wc…
Rgds,
Bill
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Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 5:59 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Antonio Castaneda Children
Carolyn Gomez Duran
The children I have identified for Antonio Castaneda and Thomasa Carrion are the following:
Gregorio Joseph Castaneda born July 5, 1684 Baptism source number 1095293, image 27 Padrinoas Antonio de Carrion and Dona Maria de Ascension Oropessa, his wife.
Juan Castaneda born Oct. 12, 1686 Baptism source number 1095293, image 49 Padrino Estaban Munos in the presence of Miguel Castaneda and Antonia de Castaneda.
Maria Nicolasa Castaneda born Oct., 01, 1688 Baptism source number 1095293, image 64
Padrinos Alonzo de Guzman and Polonia de Castaneda! :-)
Francisca Castaneda born July 31, 1693 Baptism source number 1095293, image 103 Padrinos Antonio de Aguilar and Mariana Dias de la Puente, his wife. They lived at Rancho de Castaneda Sabala.
Ana Castaneda de Vargas born Dec., 10, 1695 Baptism source number 1095293, image 130
Padrino Antonio de Carrion.
Geronima Castaneda born Nov., 05, 1698 Baptism source number 1095293, image 172 Padrino Juan Munos
Polonia Castaneda born July 14, 1701 Baptism source number 1095293, image 203 Padrinos Antonio de Carrion and Dona Gertrudi Marin de Penalosa at Rancho de Castaneda.
Juan Antonio Castaneda born July 17, 1704 Baptism source number 1095294, image 136 Padrinos Antonio Serrano and Teresa Nieto at Rancho de Castaneda.
I also have Nicolas Cstaneda, no birth date, married to Maria Gomes.
By George, I mean by Bill I think you've got it!!
Carolina
Carolyn Gomez Duran
Bill,
I too have Maria Nicolasa Castaneda marrried to Martin Ruis de Esparzan May 5, 1704. Marriage source 1096163/32 Padrinos Capitan Esteban Munos and Thomas Nieto
Widow of Dona Gerturdis Calbillo
Nicolasa was from the pueblo of San Joseph and Martin was from Aguascalientes del pueblo de Santiago de Xalya..
Carolyn
Dear Bill, Carolyn and others
Another document belonging to a child of Pedro de Castañeda and Jacinta Sotomayor is the marriage document of Gabriel de Castañeda and Maria Rebollo (San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, 29 enero 1653, Image 110). Maria Rebollo was the widow of Juan Valades and legitimate daughter of Domingo Rebollo and Maria Lopez from Aguascalientes.
Saludos
Jaime
Hello, Jaime. Thank you for the wedding info. of Gabriel de Castañeda with María Rebollo. I was unable to find the source record at San Matias, Pinos, Zac. Could you please send me the link? María's parents Domingo Rebollo and Mari López wed 9 Oct 1625 in Aguascalientes. The link is as follows:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-51024-27?cc=1502404&…
Saludos,
Bill
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From: Jaime R. Alvarado
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maria Nicolasa Castaneda
Dear Bill, Carolyn and others
Another document belonging to a child of Pedro de Castañeda and Jacinta Sotomayor is the marriage document of Gabriel de Castañeda and Maria Rebollo (San Matias, Pinos, Zacatecas, 29 enero 1653, Image 110). Maria Rebollo was the widow of Juan Valades and legitimate daughter of Domingo Rebollo and Maria Lopez from Aguascalientes.
Saludos
Jaime
Bill,
Here is the link to Garbriel's Castaneda document: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-22889-22?cc=1804458&wc…
Also, thanks for the information about the parents of the bride.
Jaime
Jaime,
You're not going to believe this! The link to Gabriel de Castañeda's Información Matrimonial that you sent me last Friday solves another mystery that had me wondering for several days. It turns out that Gabriel's marriage record in Aguascalientes is none other than the one erroneously attributed to Miguel de Castañeda. There is no Miguel de Castañeda. Gabriel and Miguel sound similar, so the good padre (or his scribe) wrote the wrong name in the record book. Here is an excerpt of the marriage information provided by Gabriel de Castañeda in Sierra de Pinos:
"En 29 dias de henero de 1653 años"
"Grabiel de Castañeda, vesino y natural del Real y Minas de Sierra de Pinos,
hijo legitimo de Pedro de Castañeda, ya difunto, y de Jasinta de Sotomayor,
paresco ante Vuestra Merced en la mejor bia y forma que aya lugar y digo que
yo tengo tratado contraer matrimonio por letras de presente en
la Villa de Aguas Calientes con Maria Rebollo, biuda mujer que fue
de Juan Balades, natural de la Jurisdicion de tequaltiche, hija de Do-
mingo de Rebollo y de Maria Lopez su mujer, y para poderlo aser ne-
cesito dar ynformasion de libre, soltero y sin impedimento."
"Por todo lo qual a Vuestra Merced pido y suplico se me resiba dicha in-
formacion que ofresco, y dada mande sea amonestado en tres dias festi-
bos y no resultando ympedimento alguno se me de lisensia en forma para
que el matrimonio se selebre en dicha Villa de Aguascalientes que siendo-
lo asi cumplira Vuestra Merced con su obligacion y a mi me ara bien y merced,
con justicia que pido y en lo necesario esta"
[f] "Graviel de Castañeda"
AUTO
Abiendo bisto esta peticion presentada por Graviel
de Castañeda ante el Sr. Bachiller Juan de Quixas Escalante dijo
que mandava y mando se le resibiera la ynformacion que ofrese,
q' dada probera lo que conbenga, asi lo probeyó y mandó y firmó
[f] Br. Juan de Quixas y Escalante Ante mi
[f] Juan Diaz Otero? (firma ilegible)
Notario ?
Following the testimony of three witnesses Joseph de Quixas Escalante, Juan Diaz de León (el mozo) and Xinés de Carrión, the priest granted him the license to marry María Rebollo López in Aguascalientes. Three days later Gabriel and María were married at Parroquia de la Asunción de Aguascalientes. Notice that Maria, a native of Teocaltiche, was a resident of Aguascalientes. She was the widow of Juan Macías Valadez, buried in Aguascalientes 18 Dec 1652. A revised transcription of Gabriel and María's wedding follows:
Al margen: "Miguel (should read Gabriel) de Castañeda y María López, españoles".
"En primero de febrero de dicho año (1653), se casó y veló según el orden
de la Santa Madre Iglesia habiendo antecedido todas las diligencias que manda
el concilio, Maria López, viuda de Joan Valadés, vecino que fue de esta
jurisdición, con Miguel (should read Gabriel) de Castañeda), hijo legítimo de P.... de Castañe-
da, y de Jasinta de Sotomayor, vecinos de la jurisdición de Sierra de Pinos,
fue su padrino el Capitán Juan de Quixas y Escalante. Y lo firmé
Pedro Rincon de Ortega"
This is just another example of the type of errors sometimes found in church records. However, in all fairness to the Church, it doesn't happen often. I had suspected this because of the previous marriage of María Rebollo López to Juan Macías Valadez, but fortunately the mystery has been solved. The children of Pedro de Castañeda and Jacinta de Sotomayor are Jacinta, Nicolasa, Josepha, Teresa, Gabriel and Nicolás. Let me know if you have any questions.
BILL FIGUEROA
----- Original Message -----
From: Jaime R. Alvarado
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maria Nicolasa Castaneda
Bill,
Here is the link to Garbriel's Castaneda document: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-22889-22?cc=1804458&wc…
Also, thanks for the information about the parents of the bride.
Jaime
Bill, Jaime, Carolyn, Daniel, and everybody researching this family,
I have been reading all these posting and I am excited to be able to add some information.
If I understood correctly, Antonio de Castañeda y Vargas is in fact the son of Nicolás de Castañeda y Ana de Vargas Muriano, correct? Based on my research, I had not been able to find his parents, but I had been able to find the following information on his siblings:
1.Antonio de Castaneda Y Vargas m. Thomasa Carrion
-Gregorio Joseph Castaneda Carrion
-Juan Castaneda Carrion m. Juana Carbajal Sanabia (Sarabia) b. Jul 1690 In Gdl. Jal. (I have found 11 children from this marriage)
-Maria Nicolassa Castaneda Carrion m. Martin Ruiz de Esparza Sotelo (I have found 9 children from this marriage)
-Nicolas Castaneda Carrion m. Maria Gomez Ruiz de Villasenor
-Francisca Castaneda Carrion m. Joseph Diaz Perea (I have found 6 children)
-Ana Castaneda Carrion m. Andres Martinez de Sotomayor Guerra
-Geronima Castaneda Carrion
-Polonia Castaneda Carrion
-Juan Antonio Castaneda Carrion
2.Petrona de Castaneda m. Matheo Aguado (I assume she is Antonio's sister, since Antonio & Thomasa are her daughter's godparents)
3.Miguel de Castaneda (based on your contributions, it seems that his name is Gabriel instead, correct?) There is a Miguel Castaneda who appears on Antonio's son's -Juan Castaneda Carrion- baptismal record.
4.Polonia de Castaneda m. Alonso de Guzman (she would be Apolonia de Castaneda)
Therefore, everything seems to indicate that Antonio (husband of Thomasa Carrion) is in fact Apolonia's brother, both children of Nicolas de Castaneda y Ana de Vargas, correct? Do you think Petrona de Castaneda is also their sister? I have been researching Antonio's descendants, in case somebody is also working on this line we could share information.
Thank you for all the information you have shared!
Jorge Chiprés Castañeda
Bill,
I thought it was a estrange coincidence that two brothers married, within a short time frame, two ladies named Maria (Lopez and Rebollo Lopez) who were widows of two husbands named Juan Valades. Yet, I did not pursue it any further. Once again you share with the group a fantastic piece of genealogical research that demonstrates there was no Miguel but only Gabriel Castañeda.
Regarding the surname Moriano, although rare, it can be found in Spain, and in some latin american countries, particularly in Argentina. There is a town in northern Italy that goes by that name, and the presence among Argentineans could be associated to a toponym used among Italian inmigrants. However, in our case, there is another toponym that yields a more plausible origin. If we focus on the alternative spelling recorded in Apolonia's testament (Vargas Muriano) we find Cerro Muriano, a small town just north of the City of Cordoba, and the site of ancient Roman copper mines known by that name.
Thanks
Jaime
Carolyn Gomez Duran
Dear Jorge,
These are my ancestors:
Antonio Castaneda and Thomasa Carrion would be my 9th GG-parents.
Juan Castaneda and Juana Carabajal my 8th GG-parents.
Maria Gertrudis Castaneda and Joseph Matias Sesario Sosa my 7th GG-parents.
Maria Josefa Anastacia Sosa and Jose German Gaitan my 6th GG-parents.
Jose Manuel Gaitan and Maria de los Dolores Gaitan my 5th GG-parents.
Prudencia Gaitan and Manuel Garza my 4th GG-parents.
Rosalia Martinez Gaitan and Roman Hinostroza Esparza my 3rd GG-parents.
Maria Bernarda Esparza and Bonifacio Jimenez my 2nd GG-Parents.
Antonio Jimenez and Maria Loginos Moreno my 1st GG-parents.
Maria Isabel Jimenez and Roman Cardenas my Grandparents.
Are we primos??
Carolyn
Bill, Jaime, Carolyn et. al.
I believe I have found another piece of the puzzle with the Castañeda family. The following: In a dispensa that can be found for the years 1710-1712, image 489 we find the following information:
Sierra de Pìnos - Nicolás de Castañeda y María Gómez Ruíz
It mentions that Nicolás is a native of Sierra de Pinos as well as María Gómez. They share a 4th and 3rd degree of consanguinity. He is the son of Antonio de Castañeda and Tomasa de Carrión; she is the daughter of Matías Gómez and Isabel Ruíz; The genealogy is not fully mentioned, the only information the witnesses give is that both are "bisnietos de dos hermanos carnales"
According to the dispensation, Antonio de Castañeda is the grandson of Pedro de Castañeda and María Gómez is the great grandaughter of Jacinta de Sotomayor. It also mentions that Jacinta was a sister to Blas Nieto. My question is the following: is Blas Nieto somehow related to the Nieto Corona family? This would put all these individuals at the beginning to the first quarter of the XVII century in Aguascalientes-Pinos region.
I hope this will shed forth even more light on this genealogy,
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
Does anyone know who were the parents of Apolonia de Castañeda married to D. Alonso de Guzmán y Prado?
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
Saludos desde São Paulo, SP, Brasil
Hi Daniel,
The parents of Apolonia de Castañeda are Nicolás de Castañeda and Ana de Vargas Moriano.
Christopher de Cuéllar
Carolyn, Daniel, David et al,
Just a quick note to correct the name of the "padrino" in the wedding of Miguel de Castañeda and María López. The transcription should read "fue su padrino el Capitán Pedro de Quixas y Escalante" instead of Juan de Quenca y Escalante. My mistake in reading the original document. Capt. Pedro de Quixas belonged to a prominent family of landowners in Pinos at that time. I apologize for the mistake, which was caught by the quick eyes of David Delgado of Albany, California. The transcription should read
Al margen: "Miguel de Castañeda y María López, españoles"
"En primero de febrero de dicho año (1653), se casó y veló según el orden
de la Santa Madre Iglesia habiendo antecedido todas las diligencias que manda
el concilio, Maria López, viuda de Joan Valadés, vecino que fue de esta
jurisdición, con Miguel de Castañeda, hijo legítimo de P.... de Castañe-
da, y de Jasinta de Sotomayor, vecinos de la jurisdición de Sierra de Pinos,
fue su padrino el Capitán Pedro de Quixas y Escalante. Y lo firmé
Pedro Rincon de Ortega"
Additional information about Pedro de Quixas y Escalante:
Capt. Pedro de Quixas y Escalante was the son of Pedro Fernández de Quixas and María de Escalante Borroto. He married Catalina López de Saldaña y Alcaraz, and established his family in Pinos, Zacatecas, where he was a rancher and raised cattle. They had several children, including two sons Diego and Juan de Quixas Escalante, ordained as priests in the Catholic Church, and one daughter, Catalina de Saldaña, who became a nun.
31. Testamento. Zacatecas, 12 de febrero 1656. Juan de Oñate Salcedo, residente hijo legítimo de Juan de Oñate, vecino de San Luís Potosí difunto (no dice madre) albacea,
y testamentario el bachiller Juan de Quijas Escalante, presbítero, cura y juez del partido de Sierra de Pinos. Heredera, Catalina de Saldaña hija del capitán Pedro de Quijas
para ayuda de la dote del estado de religiosa. fjs. (32-33)
The following excerpts from Jaime Holcombe's correspondence with Mary Lou Montagna (1992-1994)
"In the Zacatecas protocols is the will of a woman who connects with the Quijas Escalantes. It's in the notary records of Felipe de Espinosa, Box 04, Package 1659:
15 de noviembre de 1659 - testamento de Leonor de Saldaña, viuda, hija legítima del Capitán Juan de Herrera y Catalina de Saldaña, vecinos de Nuestra Señora de los
Zacatecas, de donde es originaria.
Casó en primeras nupcias con Antonio de Alcaraz, habiendo a los siguientes hijos: Diego de Herrera y Alcaraz, médico: Catalina de Saldaña y Alcaraz, mujer del Capitán
Pedro de Quijas Escalante; a la madre María del Santísimo Sacramento, monja profesa en el Convento de Regina Coeli de Mexico; Antonia de Saldaña y Alcaraz; Gerónima
de Alcaraz y Saldaña viuda del licenciado Diego Dávalos y Rivera, abogado de la Real Audiencia; el padre fray Jacinto de Herrera, religioso de San Francisco; Nicolás de
Alcaraz y Pedro de Herrera y Alcaraz, los dos últimos fallecidos y cuyas herencias de su padre fueron a cargo de mi hermano, Mateo de Herrera.
Casó por segunda vez con Bartolomé Hernández, ya difunto, y sus hijos fueron Ana de Saldaña y Juana de Saldaña. Juana murío después que su padre.
Son los albaceas el Capitán Pedro de Quijas Escalante mi yerno, Ana de Saldaña mi hija y Nicolás de Quijas Escalante mi nieto.
In the margin it reads: 2 de marzo de 1662 para Ana de Saldaña. En 2 de octubre se sacó de mandato de Juez para Diego Cid de Escobar.
Leonor de Saldaña's brother Mateo appears in other documents:
1. Same package of entries; In Zacatecas, 29 May 1659. El Capitán Pedro de Quijas Escalante vecino y criador de ganados en la jurisdicción de Sierra de Pinos arrienda
a Alonso Cordero, vecino y minero la hacienda de minas del beneficio de sacar plata por azogue por fín y muerte de Mateo de Herrera, escribano fue del Cabildo. La
hacienda le pertenece por la sentencia que los fueros Reales dieron sobre los bienes del dicho Mateo de Herrera. Es el arrendamiento por dos años que inician el
15 de junio de este año al precio anual de 500 pesos en plata.
2. Box 04, paquete de 1653: En Zacatecas, 6 de mayo de 1653, el Capitán Cristóbal Tostado, vecino y minero vende a Diego de Arteaga la hacienda de minas y huerta
que fue de Mateo de Herrera Quezada, difunto en 1,700 pesos de oro común en Reales."
Just in case someone is interested in this family.
Saludos,
BILL FIGUEROA
Bill Figueroa,
Recently you provided the names of six children of Pedro Castañeda and Jacinta de Sotomayor, and also mentioned your belief that Nicolas Castañeda, the spouse of Ana Vargas, could be brother of Pedro. However, Nicolas was another child of Pedro and Jacinta, as it was stated in the marriage information when he pretended to marry Ana Vargas in Pinos, Zacatecas, https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-26512-76?cc=1804458&wc….
Ana was born in San Luis Potosi and lived in el Real de la Pendencia and was the daughter of Diego Vargas Moriano and Leonor de Cardona. Notice that her father's surname conflicts with at least one later document where the compound surname associated with Ana appears as 'Vargas Machuca'.
Sincerely
Jaime
Hello Jaime,
Wow!! You discovered a very important piece of the puzzle and the one were all missing. With this, all the other pieces seem to fall into place. This document confirms that Nicolás de Castañeda was indeed the son of Pedro de Castañeda and Jacinta de Sotomayor and not Pedro's brother, as I had originally thought.
As you mentioned, Ana de Vargas was the daughter of Diego de Vargas Moriano and Leonor de Cardona. The confusion with the surname "Vargas Machuca" stems from the burial record of Apolonia de Castañeda in 1739. Here is the link:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12142-72431-92?cc=1502404&…
This record conflicts with others with more credibility, such the Información Matrimonial you found and the final will and testament of Apolonia de Castañeda, filed 7 Feb 1715 in Aguascalientes. This important document in the Protocolos Notariales of Baltazar Díaz de Aguilera, Alcalde Ordinario de Aguascalientes, begins as follows:
"En el nombre de Dios todopoderoso amen: sepan quan-
tos la presente carta de poder vieren como io Da. Apolonia de
Castañeda, vezina de esta Villa de Aguas calientes
e hija lexitima de D. Nicolas de Castañeda y de Ana
de Vargas Muriano, vezinos que fueron de el Real de
Sierra de Pinos; hallandome sana de el cuerpo, memoria y en-
tendimiento natural tal qual Dios nuestro Señor
fue servido de darme....etc. etc."
Apolonia de Castañeda was in her late 40s or early 50s (her last child, Julián Flores de Robles, was born in 1705) and in good health when she filed her testament in 1715. She didn't die until 23 Aug 1739 when she was buried in Aguascalientes. I think that settles it, her parents were Nicolás de Castañeda and Ana de Vargas Muriano (or Moriano). The reference to the surname Vargas Machuca was a blunder by the scribe who recorded her burial.
BILL FIGUEROA
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From: Jaime R. Alvarado
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2013 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Castaneda, Carabajal, Carrion
Bill Figueroa,
Recently you provided the names of six children of Pedro Castañeda and Jacinta de Sotomayor, and also mentioned your belief that Nicolas Castañeda, the spouse of Ana Vargas, could be brother of Pedro. However, Nicolas was another child of Pedro and Jacinta, as it was stated in the marriage information when he pretended to marry Ana Vargas in Pinos, Zacatecas, https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-26512-76?cc=1804458&wc….
Ana was born in San Luis Potosi and lived in el Real de la Pendencia and was the daughter of Diego Vargas Moriano and Leonor de Cardona. Notice that her father's surname conflicts with at least one later document where the compound surname associated with Ana appears as 'Vargas Machuca'.
Sincerely
Jaime
Hola-
Ana's sister Maria de Vargas married Juan Delgado (son of Diego Delgado and Juana Diaz). Juan was a widower, having previously been married to Juana de Rivera. It appears that Maria de Vargas and Juana de Rivera were related, since the marriage required a dispensation for 'segundo con tercero grado de afinidad'. The dispensation can be found in the Pinos IM 1640-1699 records: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-25771-7?cc=1804458&wc=…
In the dispensation, Maria's parents are listed as Pedro de Vargas Moriano and Leonor de Cardona
…información dada por Juan Delgado, viudo de Juana de Rivera, hijo legitimo de Diego Delgado y de Juana Díaz, y María de Vargas, soltera hija legitima de Pedro de Vargas Moriano y de Leonor de Cardona españoles vecinos del partido de Sierra de Pinos para el matrimonio que pretenden contraer y el impedimento que resulta de parentesco de segundo con tercer grado de afinidad…
Austin Perez
La descendencia de Malinalli “Marina” (La Malinche) hasta Iyari Amaranta Casillas Mariscal
1.) Cacique (chieftain) de Paynala m. Marta (baptized name)
También encontré una descendencia de mi familia de Zacatecas a partir de la Malinche pero tengo un punto de unión conflictivo.
1.) Cacique (chieftain) de Paynala m. Marta (baptized name)
2.) Malinalli (baptized Marina) Tenépatl (aka “La Malinche” m. Juan Jaramillo
3.) María Jaramillo m. Luis Lopez de Quesada (aka Quesada, aka Luis Quesada López de Mendoza, aka Luis Lopez de Mendosa)
4.) Pedro de Quesada m. María Melchora de Puga
5.) Alonso de Quesada m. Juana Bautista Hernández Arellano Hurtado de Mendoza
6.) María Díaz de Quezada y Hernández m. Gabriel de Avalos de Orozco
7.) Isabel de Avalos Orozco y Díaz de Quezada m. Diego de Carrion Tremiño
8.) Antonio de Carrion m. Francisca Beatriz Rodríguez
9.) Tomassa de Carrion m. Antonio de Castañeda León y Vargas
10.) María Nicolasa de Castañeda Carrion m. Martin Ruiz de Esparza y Sotelo Jaén
11.) Margarita de Esparza de Castañeda m. Francisco de Herrera Diaz
12.) María Feliciana Herrera Esparza m. Feliciano Placido de Villela
13.) María Nicolasa de Villela m. Ramón Maciel Carrillo
14.) José Felipe Maciel Villela m. María Ignacia Carrillo Ayala
El problema viene cuando veo que José Felipe Maciel Villela nació en 1793, María Ignacia Carrillo nació en 1794 y su hija Guadalupe Rafaela Maciel Carrillo nació en 1780 que se casó con Joseph Sabaas Berdeja Tobon, nacido en 1772. He buscado con otros miembros de MyHeritage y con Family Search pero no encuentro la solución.
¿Alguien tiene idea de esto?
Jorge
También encontré una descendencia de mi familia de Zacatecas a partir de la Malinche pero tengo un punto de unión conflictivo.
1.) Cacique (chieftain) de Paynala m. Marta (baptized name)
2.) Malinalli (baptized Marina) Tenépatl (aka “La Malinche” m. Juan Jaramillo
3.) María Jaramillo m. Luis Lopez de Quesada (aka Quesada, aka Luis Quesada López de Mendoza, aka Luis Lopez de Mendosa)
4.) Pedro de Quesada m. María Melchora de Puga
5.) Alonso de Quesada m. Juana Bautista Hernández Arellano Hurtado de Mendoza
6.) María Díaz de Quezada y Hernández m. Gabriel de Avalos de Orozco
7.) Isabel de Avalos Orozco y Díaz de Quezada m. Diego de Carrion Tremiño
8.) Antonio de Carrion m. Francisca Beatriz Rodríguez
9.) Tomassa de Carrion m. Antonio de Castañeda León y Vargas
10.) María Nicolasa de Castañeda Carrion m. Martin Ruiz de Esparza y Sotelo Jaén
11.) Margarita de Esparza de Castañeda m. Francisco de Herrera Diaz
12.) María Feliciana Herrera Esparza m. Feliciano Placido de Villela
13.) María Nicolasa de Villela m. Ramón Maciel Carrillo
14.) José Felipe Maciel Villela m. María Ignacia Carrillo Ayala
El problema viene cuando veo que José Felipe Maciel Villela nació en 1793, María Ignacia Carrillo nació en 1794 y su hija Guadalupe Rafaela Maciel Carrillo nació en 1780 que se casó con Joseph Sabaas Berdeja Tobon, nacido en 1772. He buscado con otros miembros de MyHeritage y con Family Search pero no encuentro la solución.
¿Alguien tiene idea de esto?
Jorge
Les adjunto un resumen / recopilación que hice de los Rollos 2 al 52 de la biblioteca del Lic.
Hello forum.
Catalina de Sepulveda died 10 Sep. 1644 in Guadalajara, Nueva Galicia.
I just saw a secondary source that states that Ana de Ojeda’s first husband passed away in 1620 so that clears the way for the second marriage in 1621. Ana’s first husband was 45 years old when he passed away in 1620. Somehow genealogists have mixed up the age of 45 with the year of his death and have erroneously listed his death date as 1645. Luis was definitely from her first marriage.
Rick A. Ricci
Hello Ruben,
Ana de Ojeda (b. 1593) was married twice, first to to Capitan Pedro Topete Enriquez.
I think that Ana de Ojeda’s first husband is related to Lorenzo Meza through their “Mesa” lines. Her first husband’s father is Francisco Topete de Mesa.
Ana de Ojeda and her first husband had three daughters and three sons. One of her sons is named Luis who was baptized in September of 1615 in Guadalajara.
Lorenzo Meza Valdivia is her second husband, but I think that her first husband was still alive in 1621.
Ana de Ojeda was married to both men, but the children named as inheritors are from her first marriage. On 6/December/1653 she is identified as the widow of Lorenzo Meza Valdivia and the inheritors that she names are children from her first marriage to Capitan Pedro Topete Enriquez. Luis is one of the inheritors
I hope this helps.
Happy New Year,
Rick A. Ricci
Book Mygenes2000
Hello,
In looking at the death record, it does indeed mention Ana de Ojeda as suegra, but, not of Luis Bentura de Cabrera but instead of Lic. Francisco Rico ( y de la Torre). Francisco married Antonia Enriquez Topete y Ojeda, daughter of Ana de Ojeda and Pedro Enriquez Topete. Ana de Ojeda did indeed marry twice. His first marriage was to Pedro Enriquez Topete and her second marriage with Lorenzo de Meza. Ana de Ojeda was the daughter of Luis de Ahumada and Mariana de Ojeda y Vaca. This is all confirmed in Ana de Ojeda's testament found here:
Testamento de Ana de Ojeda - Guadalajara, Jalisco (23rd of October, 1653)
You can also find all sorts of rich information about Ana de Ojeda and her ancestors through the "Informaciones: Diego de la Mota y Carvajal" a grand-nephew of Ana de Ojeda through Diego's Ojeda ancestors. (Lorenzo de Meza gives testimony about Diego's limpieza and mentions that his wife, Ana de Ojeda, is an aunt of Diego) Link here:
Informaciones: Diego de la Mota y Carvajal - Guadalajara, Jalisco (13th of January, 1648)
I hope this helps.
Daniel Serna Valencia
Thanks Daniel for your information.
Happy New Year,
Rick A. Ricci
Many, many thanks to both of you, Rick and Daniel, for all the information shared!
Daniel, you hit the nail on the head! Ana de Ojeda is Francisco Rico´s mother-in-law.
I have two questions concerning the Arzola family:
I read : "The first is concerning the line of Capitan Don Pedro de Arzola, vecino y minero del Real de Panuco. He was married to Dona Cecilia Lopes de Soto. They were the parents of Maria, Josefa, Nicolasa, and Cecilia de Arzola."
I found documentation to proof the link with Nicolasa, and Josefa but I haven't able to locate any documentation (or any type of source) to proof that Cecilia de Arzola is the daughter of Pedro de Arzola and Cecilia Lopez de Soto.
Does anyone has anything to proof the link??
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Happy 2021!
sus leniski
This is not my line but I do have some family group sheets which may help with the San Luis Potosi Arzola family. I was researching the Perez de Alanis line and had found a reference that said Juan Perez de Alanis was related to Perez de Arzola. I’ve seen the name written Arzola, Alzola, Alcola and other variations, but will use Arzola from now on.
Take a look at the following FGS in my Dropbox:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/yop1j3tqornd0xh/AABnVNtOvuDJtcuW0Gk5vgBHa?dl…
Andres Perez cc Magdalena de Arzola
Diego Perez de Arzola cc Maria de Santa Cruz
Alonso Bernal cc Isabel de Salas
Luis de Salas y Valdez cc Ana de Rojas
Juan Perez de Alanis cc Isabel de Salas
Gabriel Ortiz de Fuenmayor cc Ysabel Perez de Alanis
Note that Alonso de Cardenas and his wife Maria de Arzola were godparents to Alonso de Salas (Rojas) on 16 Apr 1614 in Pinos. Not sure where she fits in.
Mary Lou
Hola otra vez:
De la búsqueda en Familysearch no se puede obtener evidencias de que ambas familias estén relacionadas entre sí, pero es muy probable. Actualmente está deshabilitada la Guía General del Archivo General de la Nación que podría ayudar.
Primero te contaré lo que yo sé: A mediados del siglo XVI pasó a Perú Don Francisco de Irarrazábal, gentilhombre de su majestad el Rey de Inglaterra, lo acompañaba un séquito de familias de orígen vasco , entre ellos la familia Gárate cuya descendencia quedó en Perú, pero una parte pasó a Zacatecas. Algunos de los miembros de éste grupo, proceden de Elgoibar.
Por otro lado el prior de los frailes dominicos en Nueva Galicia era Fray Domingo de Alzola, que llegó a ser obispo. Con su nombre en el buscador aparecen varios libros y artículos.
En PARES encontré los siguientes registros, todos a Nueva España:
1582 INDIFERENTE 740,N.65 Fray Domingo de Alzola para la Iglesia de Jalisco.
1590 INDIFERENTE,2065,N.57 Licencia a Alonso de Santoyo y para Ambrosio de Asola, hijo de Pedro de Ansola, natural de Elgoibar.
1607 CONTRATACION, 5299,N.2, P.45 Licencia a Juan Pérez de Alsola criado de Francisco Hernández Osorio, natual de Elgoibar, hijo de Juan Pérez de Alzola y de María de Zavala.
1621 CONTRATACION,5368,N.19 Juan de Alzola natural de Elgoibar hijo de Domingo de Alzola y de Ana de Azcárate pasa en compañía del contador Matheo de Aróstegui.
En Familysearch encontré otra familia del mismo grupo:
Bautismo el 27 de febrero de 1659, en la Santa Veracruz, Ciudad de México de Francisca hija de Juan de Arasola Yrasaval y de Laura María de Sandoval.
Es casi seguro que las dos familias están relaciondas porque proceden del mismo lugar, pero afirmar que el Pedro de Arzola de San Luis Potosí es el mismo que el de Pánuco, de momento sería difícil, tal vez cuando se pueda consultar la Guía General aparezcan en los ramos de Tierras o Mercedes.
Posiblemente haya información en las páginas de genealogía vasca de Elgoibar, porque de los Gárate sí encontré una página que organizaba toda las ramas.
Saludos
Marcelina Macías
Hola:
Te aviso que en la lista de matrimonios de la Sierra de Pinos hay varios Alcola con apóstrofe, lo que significa que se pronunciaba Alzola.
Es un post reciente subido por J. Refugio Hermosillo. Ojalá y encuentres a tu familia.
Marcelina
Hello David,
Marcelina is correct, some of the children of Joan de Alçola (how he signed his name) and Ynes de Salas do appear as testigos & padrinos in the early San Matias Pinos archives. When did your Pedro Arzola cc Cecilia Lopes de Soto live?
I have found various documents regarding Joan de Alçola in the SLP misc archives: here's his testamento, dated 1596. He names their legitimate children, as well as 2 hijos naturales that he fathered with Engracia de la Olacaval, in Los Ramos de Zacatecas, named Mariana Arzola (b. 1571) and Andres Arzola (b 1574).
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-958X-SWLK?i=137&cc=204…
He names Doctor Juan de Bernal clerigo as his brother, and Pedro de Arzola as his cousin.
Though this Pedro de Arzola does appear in SLP and in old Sierra de Pinos, I don't know if he is the same from Panuco. Here he is, registering a mine 27 Jan 1597:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G58X-SZHB?cc=2040013
And here he is, baptizing an hijo natural, named Pedro: 11 Feb 1607:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9G2L-1MC?cc=1860864
The name "Pedro" coincides in both lines, but then, it was a very popular name in early San 'Pedro' Minas de Potosi. Nonetheless, Joan de Alçola definitely lived previously in Zacatecas (where most of the founders of SLP originated). And then there's the "Salas" surname, which appears in both lines. Worth looking into.
Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
¿Puedes decirme la época en que el capitán estuvo en Zacatecas, yo tengo una abuela María Juana de Arzola en las minas de Zacatecas hacia 1650 pero ¡venía de Perú!
Libro Mariano Leal