Can anyone recommend a general history book about the Jalisco area? Thanks.
Hello, I am new to this site so please excuse my ignorance in researching Mexican records. I am familiar with the record system in southern Italy but I have no clue about searching records in Jalisco. I would appreciate any help in learning how the births, deaths, and marriages were reported in Jalisco during the late 1800s. I think that there were prebably two records of each event; one civil and one church. I wonder if the records were kept in each village or were they sent to a bigger, centralized location?
Hello Candy. My grandfather born in San Sebastian del Oeste in 1908 and I found his birth certificate contacting the person who is in charge of the museum, her email is: mlupitbe@hotmail.com I talked with Maria Guadalupe and she told me that many information can be get it in the church, but if you send her an email with the information that you have, maybe she can help you.
Candis:
Welcome to the group. It is great to have you here and I am hoping that we can help you out getting started with Mexican genealogy.
The best resource for geography in 19th century Mexico is Antonio Garcia Cubas. This great Mexican geographer published perhaps the most complete and beautiful atlas of Mexico in the 1860s and with it published a dictionary of Mexican geography and biography which includes the names of almost every rancho (rural village), pueblo and city in Mexico at the time.
You will find a link to an electronic version of his dictionary maintained by the Colegio de Mexico in the Nuestros Ranchos links section under Geography - Diccionario Geografico, Historico y Biografico de Mexico. You can find his atlas online in the David Rumsey digital map collection which is in the same links section of the site under Digital Map Collections.
For the most part, except for larger cities, municipal boundaries more or less coincide with parrish boundaries in Mexico. Thus I know there is a municipality in Jalisco called San Sebastian del Oeste, which by the way is supposed to be a very beautiful ghost town of sorts... old mining town in the mountains just southwest of Guadalajara. But as you mention, there are several San Sebastians listed in Cuba's dictionary...
One was part of the seventh canton of Ciudad Guzman, and two were part of the ninth canton (Mascota), including what is now San Sebastian del Oeste. You will see the names of the ranchos that were part of each town. If you can figure out where the towns were on the old Cubas map of Jalisco, you can then pick them out of a contemporary map (there is an atlas published by the Secretaria de Comunicaciones y Transporte also under Digital Maps in the links section) and figure out what municipality they would belong to.
I hope this information is helpful.
Thank you so much! After so long running into dead ends, the Mexican Border
Crossing info confirmed that San Sebastian is the correct place. About 10
years ago I ordered some films from the Family History Library but there
were no Plazola names at all in the records. I just need to redefine which
San Sebastian and figure out which municipality it falls under and hope that
they have been filmed. Your explanation has helped me considerably.
I am already thinking that I may be Jalisco bound with my notes in hand!
thanks again.
Candy
>From: arturoramos
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] San Sebastian Records
>Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:48:36 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>Candis:
>
>Welcome to the group. It is great to have you here and I am hoping that we
>can help you out getting started with Mexican genealogy.
>
>The best resource for geography in 19th century Mexico is Antonio Garcia
>Cubas. This great Mexican geographer published perhaps the most complete
>and beautiful atlas of Mexico in the 1860s and with it published a
>dictionary of Mexican geography and biography which includes the names of
>almost every rancho (rural village), pueblo and city in Mexico at the time.
>
>You will find a link to an electronic version of his dictionary maintained
>by the Colegio de Mexico in the Nuestros Ranchos links section under
>Geography - Diccionario Geografico, Historico y Biografico de Mexico. You
>can find his atlas online in the David Rumsey digital map collection which
>is in the same links section of the site under Digital Map Collections.
>
>For the most part, except for larger cities, municipal boundaries more or
>less coincide with parrish boundaries in Mexico. Thus I know there is a
>municipality in Jalisco called San Sebastian del Oeste, which by the way is
>supposed to be a very beautiful ghost town of sorts... old mining town in
>the mountains just southwest of Guadalajara. But as you mention, there are
>several San Sebastians listed in Cuba's dictionary...
>
>One was part of the seventh canton of Ciudad Guzman, and two were part of
>the ninth canton (Mascota), including what is now San Sebastian del Oeste.
>You will see the names of the ranchos that were part of each town. If you
>can figure out where the towns were on the old Cubas map of Jalisco, you
>can then pick them out of a contemporary map (there is an atlas published
>by the Secretaria de Comunicaciones y Transporte also under Digital Maps in
>the links section) and figure out what municipality they would belong to.
>
>I hope this information is helpful.
Candy:
I am glad that you found that information useful. I think that the trip to Jalisco with a handful of notes would be a wonderful research experience.
I noticed reading your response that you had some ancillary questions that I did not answer. For the period that you are investigating, i.e. late 1800s, the civil registry system in Mexico was just in its infancy. It was instituted a few decades earlier but many people resisted it for some time so good coverage is not available until perhaps 1880 or 1890 depending on the location. Those records tend to be pretty good (more detailed than church records in the early years perhaps in an attempt to show their superiority to prompt their adpotion).
Civil records were also always kept in duplicate with one being sent to the state capital (which is usually what the LDS has filmed) and therefore even in case of fire or war causing records to be lost in the locality, the copies survived in the state capital.
Church records in Mexico are kept at the parish level and parishes in smaller towns tend to coincide with municpalities. In the 1880s there were also cantons, which were larger towns that served sort of as county seats... between the state level and the municipal level. These have now been extinguished. A municipality often has multiple towns and certainly many ranchos (rural villages or haciendas) and some of these often have their own chapel or church, however, the baptism and marriage records from sacraments performed in those ancillary chapels would still be at the parrish main temple.
The bishphorics (diocese or archdiocese) also keep marriage records where there are issues that require dispensations. These are very valuable because the most common cause for the need for dispensation was usually cosanguinity and therefore the records expose multiple generations of the contracting parties' genealogies in one single document. These are summarized and indexed for the 16th, 17th and early 18th century in a book by Luz Montejano Hilton available through Borderlands Books.
I hope this info helps. Please let us know what progress you make on finding the correct San Sebastian.
Candy, I'm working on records from Zapotlan El Grande/Ciudad Guzman and there are Plazola family there, not sure they are the ones you're looking for but that surname did live there. I don't have the film any longer but it's worth trying on the IGI for that area of Jalisco.
Linda in B.C.
Candis Carbone wrote:
Thank you so much! After so long running into dead ends, the Mexican Border
Crossing info confirmed that San Sebastian is the correct place. About 10
years ago I ordered some films from the Family History Library but there
were no Plazola names at all in the records. I just need to redefine which
San Sebastian and figure out which municipality it falls under and hope that
they have been filmed. Your explanation has helped me considerably.
I am already thinking that I may be Jalisco bound with my notes in hand!
thanks again.
Candy
>From: arturoramos
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] San Sebastian Records
>Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:48:36 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>Candis:
>
>Welcome to the group. It is great to have you here and I am hoping that we
>can help you out getting started with Mexican genealogy.
>
>The best resource for geography in 19th century Mexico is Antonio Garcia
>Cubas. This great Mexican geographer published perhaps the most complete
>and beautiful atlas of Mexico in the 1860s and with it published a
>dictionary of Mexican geography and biography which includes the names of
>almost every rancho (rural village), pueblo and city in Mexico at the time.
>
>You will find a link to an electronic version of his dictionary maintained
>by the Colegio de Mexico in the Nuestros Ranchos links section under
>Geography - Diccionario Geografico, Historico y Biografico de Mexico. You
>can find his atlas online in the David Rumsey digital map collection which
>is in the same links section of the site under Digital Map Collections.
>
>For the most part, except for larger cities, municipal boundaries more or
>less coincide with parrish boundaries in Mexico. Thus I know there is a
>municipality in Jalisco called San Sebastian del Oeste, which by the way is
>supposed to be a very beautiful ghost town of sorts... old mining town in
>the mountains just southwest of Guadalajara. But as you mention, there are
>several San Sebastians listed in Cuba's dictionary...
>
>One was part of the seventh canton of Ciudad Guzman, and two were part of
>the ninth canton (Mascota), including what is now San Sebastian del Oeste.
>You will see the names of the ranchos that were part of each town. If you
>can figure out where the towns were on the old Cubas map of Jalisco, you
>can then pick them out of a contemporary map (there is an atlas published
>by the Secretaria de Comunicaciones y Transporte also under Digital Maps in
>the links section) and figure out what municipality they would belong to.
>
>I hope this information is helpful.
Linda,
Thanks for the tip!
Candy
----- Original Message -----
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] San Sebastian Records
Candy, I'm working on records from Zapotlan El Grande/Ciudad Guzman and there are Plazola family there, not sure they are the ones you're looking for but that surname did live there. I don't have the film any longer but it's worth trying on the IGI for that area of Jalisco.
Linda in B.C.
Candis Carbone > wrote:
Thank you so much! After so long running into dead ends, the Mexican Border
Crossing info confirmed that San Sebastian is the correct place. About 10
years ago I ordered some films from the Family History Library but there
were no Plazola names at all in the records. I just need to redefine which
San Sebastian and figure out which municipality it falls under and hope that
they have been filmed. Your explanation has helped me considerably.
I am already thinking that I may be Jalisco bound with my notes in hand!
thanks again.
Candy
>From: arturoramos
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] San Sebastian Records
>Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:48:36 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>Candis:
>
>Welcome to the group. It is great to have you here and I am hoping that we
>can help you out getting started with Mexican genealogy.
>
>The best resource for geography in 19th century Mexico is Antonio Garcia
>Cubas. This great Mexican geographer published perhaps the most complete
>and beautiful atlas of Mexico in the 1860s and with it published a
>dictionary of Mexican geography and biography which includes the names of
>almost every rancho (rural village), pueblo and city in Mexico at the time.
>
>You will find a link to an electronic version of his dictionary maintained
>by the Colegio de Mexico in the Nuestros Ranchos links section under
>Geography - Diccionario Geografico, Historico y Biografico de Mexico. You
>can find his atlas online in the David Rumsey digital map collection which
>is in the same links section of the site under Digital Map Collections.
>
>For the most part, except for larger cities, municipal boundaries more or
>less coincide with parrish boundaries in Mexico. Thus I know there is a
>municipality in Jalisco called San Sebastian del Oeste, which by the way is
>supposed to be a very beautiful ghost town of sorts... old mining town in
>the mountains just southwest of Guadalajara. But as you mention, there are
>several San Sebastians listed in Cuba's dictionary...
>
>One was part of the seventh canton of Ciudad Guzman, and two were part of
>the ninth canton (Mascota), including what is now San Sebastian del Oeste.
>You will see the names of the ranchos that were part of each town. If you
>can figure out where the towns were on the old Cubas map of Jalisco, you
>can then pick them out of a contemporary map (there is an atlas published
>by the Secretaria de Comunicaciones y Transporte also under Digital Maps in
>the links section) and figure out what municipality they would belong to.
>
>I hope this information is helpful.
Candy:
I have in our family tree a Perez-Plazola family from Jalisco (sur de
Jalisco)
Provide your names that you are looking for to see if I can find a
relationship with my data.
Sylvia H Corona
Sylvia,
I don't have many names. I am helping my friend, Ed Plazola connect to his roots in San Sebastian, Jalisco. His father, Domingo Plazola died in December 1932 in California three months before Ed was born. Ed's mother told him that Domingo was born in San Sebastian near Guadalajara. There are several San Sebastians; I am trying to figure out which municipality the records would be in. I've ordered a couple of Family History Library films with the hope that I get lucky!
This is what I've discovered so far:
unknown Plazola and Jacinta Gonzales (b abt 1860; d 1949 in California) had the following children:
Guadalupe Plazola b bef 1889 in SS; married a Vasquez. The oldest child, Arnulfo Vasquez, was born abt 1903. Jacinta brought 4 other Vasquez child to California in 1921.
Domingo Plazola b 1889 in SS; married Leonor Bedoya in Arizona abt 1915. He supposedly was involved in the Revolution and came to the US under the name Gonzales
Luis Plazola b 1893 in SS; died in California
Jacinta's parents may have been Tuburcio Gonzales and Gusta? Gassia?. Those were the names on her death cetrtificate.
Is it possible to send a request to Guadalajara for a birth in an undesignated San Sebastian in Jalisco?
Just this weekend I've identified some of the grandchildren of Guadalupe Plazola Vasquez living in California. At this point none of them can help me get back to the Mexican information.
Thanks for any ideas, information, and direction!
Candy
----- Original Message -----
From: Sylvia Corona/Rcac
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] San Sebastian Records
Candy:
I have in our family tree a Perez-Plazola family from Jalisco (sur de
Jalisco)
Provide your names that you are looking for to see if I can find a
relationship with my data.
Sylvia H Corona
Any one in Rancho's in need of a look-up, with a hard copy within the next 3 days, I will be happy to do the look-up for you.
Helyn
If I am asking inappropriate questions, please forgive me.
Candy wrote:
Hello, I am new to this site so please excuse my ignorance in researching Mexican records. I am familiar with the record system in southern Italy but I have no clue about searching records in Jalisco. I would appreciate any help in learning how the births, deaths, and marriages were reported in Jalisco during the late 1800s. I think that there were prebably two records of each event; one civil and one church. I wonder if the records were kept in each village or were they sent to a bigger, centralized location?
Although I am the one doing the searching, I am doing it for my friend, Edward Bedoya Plazola. He was born in 1934 in Azusa, California a few months after his father died. Although he was the youngest of 14 children, the family didn't talk that much about his father becuase his mother soon remarried.
>From bits of family lore and facts that I have dug up, this is what we know. Domingo Gonzales Plazola was born in 1889 in San Sebastian, Jalisco, Mexico. He was the son of unknown Plazola and Jacinta Gassia? Gonzalez born about 1860. We know that Domingo had a sister, Guadalupe who married a Vasquez, and brother Luis (b 18892). I am sure that there were more siblings. Luis settled in Corcoran, California. It's unknown if Guadalupe lived in the US but many of her children also lived near Corcoran. Jacinta Gonzalez arrived in the US about 1919. She also lived in Corcoran.
Domingo, Ed's father, was involved in the Revolution. About 1916, he felt threatened and decided to go to Arizona. He bagan using the the name, Domingo Gonzalez. He worked in the mines in Ray, Arizona. About 1920 he and his family moved to California.
I would like to find the birth, marriage, and deth records in Jalsico. Ed was told that he father was from San Sebastian near Guadalajara. I found two San Sebastians just south of the city but I can not figure out if both these villages were in existence during the 1880s and where the records might be. There are at leat two other San Sebastians in Jalisco. I have sent for some Family History films for two of the four.
If anyone can direct me to source for learning about the divisons of the Mexican states and record keeping, I would be grateful. As I said, I am new to this site and Mexican research so I am open to any help. If I am asking inappropriate questions, please forgive me.
Thanks,
Candis Carbone
Recently in Durham a city not too far from where I live opened a Virtual
Reality Arcade.
Hi, Joseph,
Unfortunately, we don't have a VR Arcade such as you describe. But in one of those free streaming channels in my Roku, I recently watched a video of this guy who walks thru different states in Mexico, visiting points of interest. The video was on Los Pinos, Zacatecas, which from what I have found is one of the major areas where my maternal ancestors come from.
Of course, it wasn't to the degree of "flying" over the areas but it still had an emotional tug on me, knowing that my ancestors trekked through some of those streets and took their babies to be baptized in their "parroquias."
Arleen
Sounds cool Joseph
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From: General on behalf of Joseph Puentes
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 6:32:31 PM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Cc: Ciudad_Juarez@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Google Earth VR
Recently in Durham a city not too far from where I live opened a Virtual
Reality Arcade. Awhile back I went in and tried it for the first time and
thought it was cool but I'm not a gamer so most of the stuff didn't appeal
to me, but nevertheless. . .
So now some time went by and I needed to run into Durham and it happened
that the VR Arcade was having a 50% off sale (regular is 20 bucks for 30
minutes but this time it was 10 for 30 minutes and if you book two you get
70 minutes for 20 bucks). What appealed to me was that I was going to go in
and spend my time exploring the Grand Canyon, Bryce Canyon, Yosemite, Lake
Victoria, etc.
So what happened. I went in and found myself spending the whole 70 minutes
cruising around Colotlan, Santa Maria de Los Angeles, Las Animas, Huejucar,
Tepetongo, Zacatecas, Aguascalientes then South to Tlaltenango and then just
started tripping around. What I found that was different from my previous
experience with regular Google Earth is that GE VR lets you "Fly" through
the area from as close as you can zoom in all the way up in space. So it was
just like I was taking a tour of the land my Ancestors traveled around at
various times in the past. I'd go down to ground level (blurry) but I could
look around 360 degrees and see the mountains and hills that they would see
everyday. I could then fly up to the top of the mountains and look down at
the various Ranchos I was visiting. To say the least I was quite impressed
and enjoyed my 70 minutes traveling through Jalisco, Zacatecas and
Aguascalientes
If you all have a VR Arcade anywhere close to you ask if they have GE VR
installed and consider checking the land of your Ancestors out as if you
were flying in a small airplane (not quite but pretty close).
Joseph
Joseph Puentes
I am trying to trace my roots on my grandfather's side of the family
Luevano serna line
A day after discovering that one of your Serna line was originally De la Cerda,
I decided to search your other Serna line as De La Cerda or Lopez De la Cerda.
Bingo!
Maria Salome Serna is baptized Maria Salome Cerda Dias on the 29/Oct/1826 in Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco.
I originally had Ma. Salome’s father as Leocadio Serna. Her father is José Leocadio de la Cerda who was baptized on 18/Dec/1791 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco.
Jose Leocadio de la Cerda is the son of Jose Norberto De la Cerda and Maria Antonia Ponce.
Maria Salomés mother, Ramona Dias, was baptized with the name “Maria Gertrudis Ramona Dias Avila”. Ramona’s parents are Jose Vicente Diaz De Santiago and Petra Josefa Avila. Ramona Diaz passes away before 3/Mar/1832.
José Leocadio de la Cerda (Serna) marries again on 3/Mar/1832 in Villa Hidalgo Jalisco to Maria Mariana De Soto, daughter of José María De Soto and Rafaela Gonzalez.
Jose Norberto De la Cerda and Maria Antonia Ponce were married 20/Aug/1780 in Theocaltiche, Jalisco.
Jose Norberto De La Cerda is the son of Francisco De la Cerda and María Polonia Ynojosa that were married on 12/May/1751 in Theocaltiche, Jalisco.
Francisco de la Cerda is the son of Jose De la Cerda and María Antonia Arismenez. .
María Antonia Ynojosa is the daughter of Juan De Ynojosa and María Montañés.[possibly Martinez]
José Vicente Diaz De Santiago (born in 1772, died 17/Oct/1848) and Petra Josefa Avila were married 3/May/1795 in Aguascalientes.
Petra Josefa Avila is the daughter of José María Avila and Rita Martin.
Jose Vicente Diaz De Santiago is the son of Jose Geronimo Inocencio and Clara Josefa Lomelin. Clara Josefa Lomelin passes away before 2/Nov/1783 as on that date he marries Nestora Delgado in Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco. Nestora is the daughter of Ramon Delgado and Maria Matilde Campos. José Vicente passes away on 17/Oct/1848 in Aguascalientes.
Jose Geronimo Inocencio Diaz De Santiago and Clara Josefa Lomelin were married on 29/Feb/1756 in Nochistlan, Zacatecas. Jose Geronimo Inocencio is the son of Luis Diaz De Santiago and Catharina Ruiz De Salazar. Clara Josefa Lomelin is the daughter of Gerardo Lomelin and María Josefa Delgadillo.
Alex Mercado has provided me with a marriage dispensation that leads to a vast amount of information that shows the ancestry of María Josefa Delgadillo. I will post this information at a later date. It includes another descendancy from Toribio Hernandez Arellano and Isabel Mendoza.
I am still unsure of Gerardo Lomelin’s ancestry.
Luis Diaz De Santiago and Catharina Ruiz De Salazar have two sons that marry two daughters of Gerardo Lomelin and Maria Josefa Delgadillo on the same date in a double wedding. This double wedding provides valuable information as there are details in one record that are not in the other. There is a strong probability that a third son of theirs also married another daughter of Gerardo Lomelin and Maria Josefa Delgadillo as the dates, locations and circumstances all point to this conclusion.
Rick A. Ricci
A) Toribio Hernández de Arellano and Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza ( I have previously posted the probable ancestry to Toribio Hernandez De Arellano)
B) Ana Sanchez (the Sanchez surname comes from Toribio’s father) and Juan Becerra
C) Leonor Becerra y Sánchez de Mendoza and Juan Lopez De Elizalde (son of Miguel Lopez De Elizalde and Maria De Aberruza)
Juan Lopez De Elizalde and Leonor Becerra y Sánchez de Mendoza are the parents of Maria Lopez De Elizalde, the wife of 1). Juan Luevano [1].
1). Juan Luevano [1] (born in 1590’s) and Maria Lopez De Elizalde {daughter of c) Juan Lopez De Elizalde and Leonor Becerra y Sánchez de Mendoza}
2). Juan Luevano [2] (born abt 1617) and Maria Alvarado (daughter of Pedro Alvarado and Magdalena Frías)
3). Juan Luevano [3] (born in 1647) and Maria Delgado (daughter of Jose Delgado and Francisca Gabay) (Francisca Gabai descends from Moctezuma II)(Francisca Gabai also descends from Lope Ruiz De Esparza. I have previously posted info on Lope’s ancestry)
4). Joseph Luevano and Tomasa Carrion ( daughter of Jose De Carrion and Paula Munoz De Hermosillo)
5). José Alejo Luebano and Maria De Jesus Gil (also spelled Jil, Xil) ( daughter of Francisco Gil and Petronila Efigenia Casillas)
5). José Estanislao Luevano and Maria Salome Gomez (daughter of Cipriano Gomez and Maria Manuela Macias.
7). Pablo Luevano and Manuela Serna (daughter of Jose Leocadio Serna Ponce and Ramona Días)
8). Tiburcio Luevano and Manuela Martinez (daughter of Timoteo Martinez Lopez and Maria Fermina Ruvalcaba y Yáñez)
9). José del Socorro Luevano y Martínez (Patrick Cardona’s grandfather)
Rick A. Ricci
Dear Pat,
Here is the baptismal record of your grandfather Jose del Socorro Luebano Martinez:
.José del Socorro Luebano
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 18 May 1892
Event Place La Santísima Trinidad, Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco, Mexico
Gender Male
Father's Name Tiburcio Luebano
Mother's Name Manuela Martinez
Citing this Record
México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979, database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J9HT-GTR : 16 February 2017), Tiburcio Luebano in entry for Jose del Socorro Luebano, 18 May 1892; citing Baptism, La Santísima Trinidad, Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco, Mexico, parroquias Católicas Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco); FHL microfilm 1,155,558.
The link to the actual record is :
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G57L-ZZ?i=668&cc=18745…
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-G57L-ZZ.jpg?ctx=CrxCtx…
Rick A. Ricci
Correction as to José María Martinez’s parents surnames
I believe that José María Martinez is the son of Cayetano Martinez De Sotomayor and Maria Margarita De los Dolores De la Cerda.
I had mistakenly written Serna instead of Cerda. I had also left out “De Sotomayor “ The full surname is Martinez De Sotomayor.
Rick A. Ricci
Dear Pat,
Estanislao Luebana son of Alejo Luevano and Maria De Jesus Gil
Alejo Luevano is the son of Jose Luevano and Thomasa Carrion
Maria De Jesus Gil is the daughter of Francisco Gil and Petra Efegenia Casillas
Maria Salome is the daughter of Cipriano GOMEZ and Maria Manuela Macias
Francisco Gil is the son of Juan Gil and Bernarda Lopez (aka Ruiz De Esparza)
Here is the mulatto side of the family:
Petra Efigenia/ Efegenia Casillas is the daughter of Juan Casillas and Maria Jacinta De Moya (both Juan and Maria Jacinta are free mulattos)
Maria Jacinta de Moya was the daughter of Juan De Moya (slave) and Juana De la Cruz
You can find some of this info at https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Luevana-96
Not all my information is in the wikitree lines so don’t forget to compare the information I am providing to what is posted in wikitree.
I am related to you distantly through many of these lines.
Rick A. Ricci
Dear. Pat,
Here is more information for your family tree:
Maria Fermina Ruvalcaba is the daughter of Juan Manuel Rubalcaba and Maria Francisca Yanes (aka Aguayo).
Maria Fermina is bap. On 8/Jul/1832 in Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco
Juan Manuel Ruvalcaba is the son of Antonio Gonzalez De Ruvalcaba and Manuela De Soto.
Maria Francisca Yáñez is the daughter of Hegenio Villanueva and Maria Albina Yáñez
Juan Manuel and Maria Francisca Yáñez were married 1/Oct/1828 in Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco.
Rick A. Ricci
Dear Pat,
Jose Pablo Luevano and Maria Manuela Serna were married on 3/May/1844 (Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco)
Jose Pablo Luevano (born in 1816, baptized on 10/Mar/1816, Villa Hidalgo) is the son of Estanislao Luevano and Maria Salome Gomes. Estanislao and Ma,Salome were married in 9/Sep/1812 in Aguascalientes.
Maria Manuela Serna (bap. 26/Dec/1828, Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco) is the daughter of Leocadio Serna and Ramona Diaz.
Jose Timoteo and Fermina were married on 3/Mar/1851 in Villa Hidalgo Jalisco.
Jose Timoteo Martínez (bap. 7/Feb1826, Villa Hidalgo, Jal.) is the son on José María Martinez and Maria Paula Lopez.
Timoteo married a second time to Yrinea Gallegos in 1869.
José María Martinez is the son of Cayetano Martinez and Margarita De la Serna.
Maria Paula De la Merced Lopez is bap. 3/Feb/1799 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco is the daughter of Jose Luciano Lopez and Maria Petra del Carmen De Olmos.
José María And Ma.Paula De la Merced were married on 11/Aug/1816 in Villa Hidalgo, Jalisco.
José Luciano López and Maria Petra del Carmen De Olmos were married 11/Apr/1787 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco.
José Luciano López is the son of Pedro Lopez Velarde and Rosa De Chavez. Maria Petra del Carmen is the daughter of Cristoval Olmos and Maria Magdalena Cervantes. Cristoval Olmos and Maria Magdalena Cervantes were married on 21/Apr/1765 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco.
Good luck in your research,
Rick A. Ricci
The marriage of Joseph Troncoso and Maria de los Dolores Lopes has a bit of information on the Alvarado, Delgado y Lopes Lisalde Lines and possible parents to some PNC children.
Wow! According to his IM, Cristobal Lopez cc Micaela Moreno de Quezada was hijo de padres no conocidos. Now we know who his biological mother is! Here's his 22 Dec 1703 IM with Micaela Moreno, who was hija natural of Manuel Moreno de Quezada and Nicolasa Narvaez (who herself was hija natural of Francisco Narvaez and Catalina de la Cruz of SLP, and sister of Francisca Narvaez, biological mother of Francisco Sanchez de la Mejorada):
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BLSJ-R?cc=1804458
And here's their marriage:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BW9S-BS?i=30&wc=3PS9-P…
Great find, for anyone who descends from these folks!
Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
Thank you Manny for pointing this out to me and thank you to the original submitter as well! Catalina de la Cruz and Juan Francisco Narvaez are my husband's 9th great grandparents and Nicolas Lopez de Elizalde and Regina Alvardo are his 9th great uncle/aunt. Nicolas's parents, Juan Lopez de Elizalde and Leonor Becerra y Sanchez de Mendoza are my husband's 9th great grandparents(He descends from their daughter Juana Lopez de Elizalde and Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza).
Hello Everyone, I need help with my 7th grgrandparents Gerardo Lomelin and Josepha Delgadillo's parents.
Dear Lisa,
Gerardo Lomelin and Josefa Delgadillo had at least two daughters that married two brothers. A third brother also married a girl surnamed Lomelin that I suspect is also a daughter of Gerardo Lomelin and Maria Josepha Delgadillo. I am also stuck at Gerardo Lomelin and Josepha Delgadillo. I was hoping that you would provide the information that you have on this family so that I may be able to put it together with the pieces of the puzzle that I have. I’m hoping that puttting the pieces together will provide more clues.
Thanks
Rick A. Ricci
Josepha's parents are George Delgadillo and Clara Alvarez Tostado.
Here is my source https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-629L-WR?i=698&wc=3J43-ZNP%…
Thanks Alex for Josefa’s parents. Do you have any clues that I can try to follow up on Gerardo Lomelin’s parents?
Thanks again,
Rick A. Ricci
Unfortunately no good tips. I have an unmarried Gerardo Lomelin as being the son of Gabriel Lomelin and Melchora de los Reyes Delgadillo Perez de Frias. He was baptized 7 Dec 1678 in Nochistlan
Thank you very much Alex Mercado for your very important contributions. The marriage dispensation that you shared connects to lines that i have extending for many generations.
Thanks again,
rick A. Ricci
Dear Alex,
Gerardo Lomelin, son of Gabriel Lomelin and Melchora de los Reyes Delgadillo Perez de Frias, does fit the time frame, the location, and the family connections as Melchora De los Reyes Delgadillo’s Family had many connections with Clara Josefa Lomelin’s mother’s family. Hopefully one Day we will find the evidence.
Thanks again,
Rick A. Ricci
Hi Lisa,
This has happened to all of us that one marriage record where parents are not listed
or "no conocido", etc. I find it annoying, but the search must go on. I have several
Nochistlan lines that go to this period 1710-1727 or so where the parents are not
listed. Your best bet would be the bautismos to see if any Gerardos are in there.
I only have one Gerardo de Lomelin baptized 7 Dec 1678 it is a strong possibilty
this may be your ancestor I say this because the Lomelin usually stayed in Nochistlan,
only after the XVII century did they heavily marry outside Nochistlan. This Gerardo
was son of Gabriel de Lomein and Melchora de los Reyes. You could also
try looking for a death record. Pin pointing when he had his last child whether
it says ya difunto o vivo, this creates a time frame when he should have died. You
should do the same Josepha Delgadillo.
Daniel Méndez Camino
Lisa Cruz
Thank you Daniel for the help. I will continue to look.
I am looking of the parents of Matias Nolasco de Luevano (born about 1736) and Maria Encarnacion Pichardo (born about 1738).
Hi! I am a new member and I am researching my husband's family tree. Here is my link to what I have uploaded so far.
Hi Debbie,
I'm seeing the parents of Francisco Perez as Jose Antonio Perez & Maria Dolores Rangel (also Maria Antonia Rangel), and parents of Petra Hernandez as Urbano Hernandez & Maria Guadalupe Perez (Indios). Here is Pedro Pablo's baptism 01 Jul 1828:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BQ75-T?i=238&wc=3PSM-G…
He was born on Santa Rita, which was a hacienda located in the northern portion of Sierra de Pinos, and today called Villa Hidalgo, Zac.
Here is Gregoria Perez's 10 May 1826 baptism:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BQ4J-Q?i=95&wc=3PSM-GP8
Urbano Hernandez was son of Victoriano Hernandez & Maria de San Juan, and Maria Guadalupe Perez was daughter of Juan Perez and Maria Dolores Silva, per the 06 Mar 1806 baptism record of Jose Rudesindo Hernandez: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BW2Z-M?i=610&wc=3PS9-J…
Hope that helps!
Saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo
Thank you Manny! I didn't think to ask you about this line of my husband.
i just received 23 and me results for my dna test and my gedmatch currently is M599673.
sorry read it wrong the gedmatch for me is M981891. please disregard the one on top! thanks --
Steph,
if you have brickwalls you should tell us the names and see if other people in the forum might be able to help you.
Danny C. Alonso
Brickwalls for me:isabel calderon orosco and or diego delgadillo child is juan delgadillo born about 1700 he married maria de la concepcion
jose lorenzo coronado married woman named maria segovia?
juan de lira married maria francisca hernandes child francisco de lira was my 9th great grandfather who had married barbara de la concepcion sanchez no earlier records has been found via family search or ancestry.com
I joined a couple of weeks ago.
My research is primarily in Jalisco but I'm also looking at the
Nayarit/Jalisco border.
hi to you ed my name is stephanie martinez and my 9th great grandparents were known as diego delgadillo and or maria isabel calderon ososco looking forward to hearing from you and or cousins in this group as i have some major brickwalls and cant find some of the earlier records pertaining to these individuals and many others. i do have a tree via ancestry.com dna has been submitted and or uploaded to gedmatch genesis my heritage and or family tree dna website.
I believe that my direct ancestor Antonio Madera (1660?
Hi,
Send me a message through the group. I have a suggestion for you.
Rosalinda
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Welcome, Delia. I love seeing new members with ties to Mezquital del Oro, Zac. My father was born in the US but was raised in Mezquital. His parents returned to Mexico when he was just a few months old. His father, Secundino Castaneda Cida, was born in Mezquital del Oro, Zac. in 1902. Secundino's great grandmother was a Flores, but I haven't been able to find very much information on her or her husband. Definitely look into FamilySearch.org, if you haven't already. I have been able to find a lot of great records there for free. Best of luck to you!
Sandra
Delia, if you haven't already seen this, it should help jump start your research. It's free, but you'll have to register as a user to view most docs.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-95L8-6MX?i=503&wc=MDPS…
Hello! ¡Hola! I am doing research to help a friend find his ancestors from
Mexico.
Hello! ¡Hola!
I am doing research to help a friend find his ancestors from Mexico. To
start he knows his great-grandfather, Miguel Ramirez, was assassinated in
Ayutla, Queretaro De Arteaga, Mexico, in the 1940's and was the Chief of
Arms at that time in Ayutla. Also he knows he served in a war in Mexico
prior to living in Ayutla, so we hoped there
could be information in Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes regarding
his service in the war.
Attached is the information we know to be true. We would appreciate any
advise or assistance in obtaining information about Miguel Ramirez.
Thank you!
Gracias!
Hello. I am searching the Cornejo line from Jalisco. More specifically, from the areas of San Juan de Los Lagos, Encarnacion de Diaz but it has now led me to Teocaltiche.
I have a request from a non member for contact information for this
genealogist: Anna Arellano Luna
She is from this city Florencia de Benito Juarez, Zac.
Sorry Joseph my email is annaa_smith@yahoo.com
Thank you
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Hello! ¡Hola! I am doing research to help a friend find his ancestors from Mexico.
Hola Janene:
La Sierra Gorda de Querétaro ha sido un territorio difícil de conquistar y de controlar. Después de la Segunda Intervención Francesa (1867) el territorio fue controlado por el resto del ejército conservador comandado por el General Rafael Olvera Ledesma hasta finales del siglo XIX. Después de ésto el control de la zona se dividió en varios cacicazgos, lo dueños de la tierra tenían sus pequeños ejércitos y no siempre colaboraban con el gobierno. Estas fricciones pudieron haber causado la muerte de Miguel Ramírez. La información sobre su muerte puede estar en el Archivo del Tribunal Superior de Justicia de Querétaro, puedes acceder a su portal electrónico en línea.
Respecto de su participación en acciones de guerra es necesario distinguir entre la Revolución Mexicana que fue desde 1910 y al guerra cristera que fue a principios de los años 30s.
Sería importante saber en dónde nació Miguel Ramírez.
Saludos
Marcelina
Segun el libro de "Genealogia de Nochistlan" de Jose Luis Vasquez, esta pareja se caso el 12 de Septiembre de 1628 en Mexticacan.
Rodrigo de Carbajal y Ullóa and Juana de Lomelín were married on Tuesday, 12 Sep 1628, in Nochistlán, Zacatecas, México.
[Foja s/n frente] "Año 1628 - don Rodrigo de Carbajal y doña Juana Lomelín ----- En doçe días del mes de setiembre de mill Y seysçientos y beynte y ocho años, cassé y belé a don Rodrigo de carbajal y Vlloa con doña Juana Lomelín hija de Carlos Lomelín Y de maría de benavidez su muger. fueron sus Padrinos Juan yñigues y Andrea cortez ffhas prim.o Las amonestaciones y lo firmé. ----- . . . Juan de Estrada (rúbrica)."
Their marriage record is in Microfilm # 0226724, Marriages 1627-1686, Nochistlán, Zacatecas, México.
Acta matrimonial de Rodrigo de Carbajal y Ullóa & Juana de Lomelín - 12 Sep 1628, Nochistlán
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-732-88?cc=1804458&wc=3…
Nochistlán > Matrimonios 1627-1686 > image 142 of 307
Fuente: "México, Zacatecas, registros parroquiales, 1605-1980," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-732-88?cc=1804458&wc=3… : accessed 13 August 2015), Nochistlán > Nochistlán > Matrimonios 1627-1686 > image 142 of 307; paróquias Católicas, Zacatecas (Catholic Church parishes, Zacatecas).
Aqui se puede ver que la información es correcta: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-TH5D?i=141&cc=1804458&…. Se encuentra en la pagina 142 del rollo 226724. El libro pertenece a la parroquia de Mexticacan.
Yo también tengo antecedentes Lomeli en Mexticacan pero solo alcanzo hasta medios de los 1700 con Julio de Lomeli y su esposa Maria Marcela de los Dolores de Jauregui.
¡Buena suerte!
Rick Fernández
Gracias por la ayuda y pistas de como buscar a esta pareja.
Ya busque en todo el rollo de matrimonios y no aparecen. Si alguien sabe si este matrimonio esta inscrito en otro libro de Nochistlan, por favor me lo indican.
Gracias.
Sergio Gutierrez
Hola Sergio,en libro de Jose luis Velazquez-Genealogia de Nochistlan capitalo 23 pagina 82 dice EL 12 DE SEPTIEMBRE DE 1628 EN MEZQUITICACAN CASARON DON RODRIGO DE CARBAJAL Y ULLOA Y DONA JUANA LOMELIN HIJA DE CARLOS LOMELIN Y MARIA DE BENAVIDES SU MUJER SIENDO PADRINOS JUAN YNIGUES Y ANDREA CORTES SU MUJER.
haber si le ayuda
Ronnie
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> Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 18:33:57 -0800
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] No Encontre a Juana de Lomelin y Rodrigo de Carbajal
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> Gracias por la ayuda y pistas de como buscar a esta pareja.
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> Ya busque en todo el rollo de matrimonios y no aparecen. Si alguien sabe si este matrimonio esta inscrito en otro libro de Nochistlan, por favor me lo indican.
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> Sergio Gutierrez
Gracias Ronnie,
Si yo tengo el libro de Jose Luis Velazquez y dice que esta pareja se casaron en 1628. Busque en el primer libro de matrimonios de Nochistlan pero no encontre el acta.
Sergio Gutierrez
También una cosa que le sugiero Sergio además de revisar los partidos sacramentales es importantísimo de revisar las notarías y archivos históricos, La Sagrada Mitra donde incluye testamentos, partidos enviados al arzobispado. Hay muchísimos registros que no nos damos cuenta en cuanto la genealógia y estudios históricos. Ojalá le puedo ayudar con esta pista. Es muy interesante y lleno de alegría cuando encontramos información en las notarías o partidas sacramentales. Hace días encontre que mi antepasado (pues seguramente varios de nosotros aquí en este foro descendemos de Alonso Martín Bermejo Varrena. Dicho caballero era alcalde ordinario de Aguascalientes en 1623.
Daniel Méndez Camino
Daniel,
Gracias por los tips. Si te llego los datos sobre la dispensa de Mateo Ponce en Tepatitlan 1700? Te copie en el email que envie a Jorge.
Sergio Gutierrez
Si Gracias de nuevo amigo.
Daniel Méndez Camino
Hola Sergio,
El libro de José Luis está correcto. El acta de matrimonio de Rodrigo de
Carvajal y Juana de Lomelín se encuentra en el Film No. 0226724 Matrimonios
1627-1686 Nochistlán, Zacatecas.
Saludos,
BILL FIGUEROA
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Juana de Lomelin y Rodrigo de Carbajal
deMexticacan
Segun el libro de "Genealogia de Nochistlan" de Jose Luis Vasquez, esta
pareja se caso el 12 de Septiembre de 1628 en Mexticacan. Busque en el libro
de Matrimonios de Nochistlan pero no encontre esta acta. No saben si el
libro del Sr. Vasquez tiene un error o esta acta se encuentra en otro libro
parroquial de Nochistlan.
Gracias.
Su Amigo Sergio
Gracias Bill,
Yo busque precisamente en ese film 0226724 en familysearch la fecha de 9/12/1628 y no aparece el matrimonio de Juana de Lomelin y Rodrigo de Carvajal. Abajo esta el link que te lleva directamente a esa fecha.
https://www.familysearch.org/s/image/show#uri=http%3A//pilot.familysear…
Todavia no reviso todo el film, posiblemente los españoles pueden tener una area especial en el libro de matrimonios donde son inscritos.
Sergio Gutierrez
Algunas veces encontre matrimonios y bautizos en otro lugar despues de la fecha no porque eran espanoles pero por que el matrimonio o bautiso fue en casa o rancho fuera del pueblo y llegaron despues al pueblo con las noticias.
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Gracias Bill,
Yo busque precisamente en ese film 0226724 en familysearch la fecha de 9/12/1628 y no aparece el matrimonio de Juana de Lomelin y Rodrigo de Carvajal. Abajo esta el link que te lleva directamente a esa fecha.
https://www.familysearch.org/s/image/show#uri=http%3A//pilot.familysear…
Todavia no reviso todo el film, posiblemente los españoles pueden tener una area especial en el libro de matrimonios donde son inscritos.
Sergio Gutierrez
I am descended from ancestors with the last name Lomelin. It turns out that is an italian name.
To talk about Italians in the 16th and 17th century is not entirely accurate as the Country that we know as Italy came together in the 1800’s The Italian Peninsula consisted of many rival city-states in the 16th and 17th centuries. The Lomellini was a family of Genoese origin that spread branches of the family to Portugal and Castilla in the 16th century. This family was deeply involved in business and the transporting of goods over the seas. This Lomelin family that came to what is now Mexico was from Castilla and Genoa. Genoa was closely associated with Castilla at that time. Some other property that now belongs to Italy was aligned with Aragon.
Before Ferdinand and Isabela married, Castilla and Aragon were also rival states. Even through their marriage they had separate administrations as Ferdinand let his personal administrators manage Aragon in his absence. I believe Toribio Hernandez Arellano descends from one of these administrators.
I have written many posts in the past on this website on Carlo Lomelin and Luis Lomelin. They both came from the Lomellini Castilian branch of the Genoese family. They both considered themselves to be both from Castilla and from Genoa. Most of the Lomelin /Lomeli from Jalisco and Zacatecas descend from Carlos Lomelin. My family tree also has a line of Lomelin that descends from Luis Lomelin
Rick A Ricci
Hola Richard:
Aqui te mando la liga para que puedas ver a Doña María Lomelí:
http://www.uam.mx/cdi/pdf/eventos/afrodescendencias/mirada_masferrer.pdf
Está con su marido Don Diego Barrientos de Ribera y un pequeño esclavo.
Que tengas felices fiestas.
Marcelina
Buscando mapas antiguos de Aguascalientes, encontré a este mapa que demarca un rancho en el municipio de Calvillo en Aguascalientes.
Hola,
En busca de información de la Familia Loera Macías para agregar al Árbol Familiar.
Hello,
Looking for information on a Loera Macías Family to add to a family tree.
Hola prim@s,
Hola y gracias:
Me ha encantado la relación que compartiste ya que contiene el nombre de las estancias que hubo en la zona de Sierra de Pinos, pues muchos de los trabajos históricos que describen las haciendas se refieren a los siglos XIX y XX.
Con cuidado voy a revisar cada uno de los registros para saber si existe alguna relación con los linajes que he venido estudiando.
Te deseo un buen fin de año, que te encuentres contento y próspero en compañía de los que más quieres.
Marcelina
Hola a todos:
Hay varias personas de la familia Ruelas o Roelas en ésta relación. Aunque no me toca estudiar éste linaje en el nodo 23639 propuse el testamento de Joan de las Ruelas, vecino de Zacatecas, marido de María de Arellano y padre de hernando, Beatriz y Leonor de las Ruelas y de Felipa de Vargas, quien testó en Querétaro el 9 de febrero de 1602.
Saludos
Marcelina
Hola a todos:
Encontré en ésta relación a la queretana Doña Jusepa Corona y a su pariente Juan de Ocampo.
La cabeza de éste linaje fue el benefactor queretano Don Juan Caballero Osio y Ocampo, sucesor de la familia González Corona de quienes heredó grandes extensiones en la Sierra de Pinos, por tanto doña Jusepa y don Juan de Ocampo pueden ser tíos del benefactor.
Ésta familia se encuentra relacionada con los Villaseñor y con Doña Rosalía Dosal de Madrid, Condesa de San Mateo de Valparaíso.
Saludos
Marcelina
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