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Another Andrés Martínez de Sotomayor

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Published by sarod77 – Tue, 2018-07-24 20:38 | Permalink

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The following might be a son of Andres and Isabel as it was attached to an Andres de Sotomayor and Isabel that was created by jholcombe231487 in 2012 and detached by another user who entered the following marriage. There are several children but no marriage record to confirm.
Juan Martin de Sotomayor LDH5-PCX cc Francisca Xaviera Picaso (see K82D-D1X for detached info)

The following Joseph according to the IM is andres and ysabel’s child.
Joseph Martin de Sotomaior LBXX-JZC cc Josepha Munos de Naba

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DHQK-5H

Published by dcalonso – Tue, 2018-07-24 04:42 | Permalink

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Daniel,

The answer to question 1 is Andres Martin de Sotomayor that's married to Isabel Ramirez is the son of Nicolas Martin de Sotomayor and Maria de Alarcon, daughter of Miguel Martinez de Alarcon and Josefa Bautista de Ruvalcaba, I descend from this couple too.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DHQK-XL

Question 2, Luis Martin could be the son of Nicolas Martin de Sotomayor and Ana Ramirez, the sister of your Isabel Ramirez.

Question 3 I don't know.

Question 4, probably. Carlos de Andrade y Sotomayor presides over other Sotomayor marriages too, including my ancestors Antonia Martin de Sotomayor and Antonio de Aranda, son of Salvador Aranda and Maria Vanegas.

Question 5 I don't know.

I have some questions too.

you mention Andres Martin de Sotomayor and Beatriz de Mayorga y Lopez de Nava, who I also descend from. Where does the Lopez de Nava come from?

Also do you know who the parents are of Miguel Martinez de Alarcon?

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Hi Danny,

Thank you for taking the time to answer some of my questions. I feel the more we research and share, the more we grow our own knowledge and of course extend our tree. The información matrimonial is an excellent find for Andrés as it clearly states his parentage.

As for Luis Martínez and María de Alarcón, I cannot locate any additional information. Based on the timeline and place, wouldn't he need to be a son of Andrés Martín-Camacho and María de las Ruelas or at least one of the older grandsons? Do we have a record that declares this María de Alarcón as the daughter of Miguel Martínez de Alarcón and Juana Bautista González de Rubcalcaba? As you probably know, the couple did baptized a María Martínez de Alarcón on 18 Mar 1640 in Teocaltiche.

Have you been able to document additional children for Luis and María?

I deepened my search on Carlos de Andrade Sotomayor. There are a few in Mexico City, probably all related, but I found the "Méritos y Servicios" in PARES for the priest. It declares his limpieza de sangre, nobleza and clearly identifies him as "originario de Ponteverde en los Reinos de Galicia" y "nieto materno de D. Balthazar de Siqueiros Sotomayor, caballero de Santiago y Conde de Pliégos." Although an interesting find, it is safe to say there is no immediate relation to the house of Martínez de Sotomayor, but was by coincidence that he presided over all these marriages.

There are numerous dispensas for the Martínez de Sotomayor and López de Nava families. I'll need to pull them and post those pieces here in a bit.

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

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Hi Daniel,

This is the IM for Nicolas Martin de Sotomayor cc Maria de Alarcon, Jan 1657, San Matias Pinos.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DHQK-XL?i=478&cc=15024…

In 1667, Nicolas Martin was listed as mayordomo of the hacienda de Tecuan of Juan Rincon de Vivar, in Cienega de Mata.

#5 Elvira de Alderete is likely Elvira Padilla de Hermosillo (born ca 1670, Teocaltiche), hija de Diego Alonso de Hermosillo cc Juana de Alderete, and 2nd wife of Juan Dominguez de Reyna.

The Martin/ez de Sotomayor of Nueva Galicia descend from Andres Martin Barriga and Maria de las Ruelas, aka Maria de Sotomayor. Descendants also used the compound surname “Martin/ez de las Ruelas.”

Maria de las Ruelas was sister of Jacinta de Sotomayor cc Pedro de Castañeda, and of Margarita de las Ruelas cc Blas Gomez Nieto (from whom descend the Gomez de las Ruelas & Gomez de Sotomayor families). Apparently, the Ruelas & Sotomayor girls originated in Teocaltiche; Maria and Jacinta migrated with their husbands & kids to Sierra de Pinos around 1619. The surnames “Ruelas” and “Sotomayor” appear to be matrilineal in nature, and were used by female descendants of these families throughout the 17th and early 18th centuries, regardless of paternal surnames.

Andres Martin Camacho de Sotomayor cc Beatriz Mayorga was son of Andres Martin Camacho de Sotomayor cc Maria de Islas y Moctezuma; Andres Martin Camacho de Sotomayor was son of Andres Martin Barriga cc Maria de las Ruelas. This is the only branch of this family who uses the compound surname “Martin/ez Camacho.”

Regarding Isabel Ramirez’s background, I started a thread on the Alonso de los Hinojos, found here: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/23951

Hope that helps!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

El Santo Oficio y los descendientes del Comendador Leonel Cervantes

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Published by mralvarez314 – Fri, 2018-07-20 10:40 | Permalink

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So, I saw Manny’s post on the Santo Oficio and decided to take a look for myself. I found a proceso against Diego Flores, encomendero de Juchipila. I did not read it thoroughly, but some of the testimony includes the following intriguing details: an accusation of murder, veneno mortífero en la comida, and an hechicera.

Diego Flores of Juchipila is mentioned in a couple of threads out there (1, 2). I think this may be him.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-C1VJ?i=6&cat=31792

Glenn

Victor Velos and related famililies: brick walls

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maria antonia velos in family search and or ancestry.com who is married to rafael martinez is my 5th great grandparents. maria antonia velos comes from a area known as grangenos, mexico in 1804.

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Published by Ruben Hdez – Wed, 2018-07-04 12:15 | Permalink

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Hello Steph.

I completely agree with dcalonso.

There are two facts fully supported by documents:

1.- Maria Antonia married to Rafael Martinez is the one christened on 28 Feb 1804, the daughter of Valentino Velos and Guadalupe Lopez.

According to the christening record Maria Antonia was born in "El Grangero", the same place stated in the marriage record.

Maria Antonia and Rafael had a daughter named Maria Petra, perhaps their firstborn. She was christened on 04 Feb 1823. Her maternal grandparents are listed "Valentino Velos y Guadalupe Lopes" in the christening record of Maria Petra.

2.- Maria Antonia was not the biological daughter of Valentino and Guadalupe.

According to the "Informacion Matrimonial" Maria Antonia was the daughter of another Maria Antonia Velos. The first paragraph says:

"... comparecio Simon Martinez Padre legitimo de Rafael Martinez y Maria Antonia Velos Madre Natural de Maria Antonia Velos y dixeron que de su pura, y libre voluntad dan sus consentimientos para que los referidos sus Hijos puedan entre si contraher matrimonio ...

Maria Antonia's mother gave her permission for the marriage in person. There is no doubt that Maria Antonia was the biological daughter of the other Maria Antonia Velos.

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ty for the clarifications after going back in my tree i also had noticed the same as mentioned fixing dates as i goes along. in the case of valentino velos and guadalupe lopes 3 childrens records were found by names of maria antonia, Hermion and Maria Ylaria Velos. the names that i have for valentinos parents are nazario velos and dorotea garcia who is my 7th great grandparents. the only record i can find in jalisco that matches well enough to birthdate to his is this record:https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgi…~

which is the closest i have came on this line since working on it . in family search record for jalisco, mexico lists a joseph nazario velos parents as juana maria no last maiden name and juachin velos.?

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Hello Steph.

1. Valentino and Guadalupe had at least one more son: Jose Toribio. He was christened on 1 Apr 1793:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N1TB-9P8

2. About the parents of Valentino:
It's very strange that the maternal grandparents listed in the christening record of Rafael and Maria Antonia's daughter Praxedis are Nazario Velos and Dorotea Garcia, the same names you have for Valentino's parents. So Maria Antonia would be placed as the sister of Valentino instead of Valentino's daughter.

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on the subject of valentinos and or maria antonia parents who are they exactly so i make sure that it is done correctly in my tree.

Published by dcalonso – Mon, 2018-07-02 15:04 | Permalink

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i just looked at this family for only a few minutes so i don't know all that you know but there seems to be something going on here and i'm not sure what it is. possibly some sort of cover up for illegitimacy or just a lot of bad scribes that aren't paying attention.

on the marriage of your Maria Antonia Velos and Rafael Martinez he's listed as the son of Simon Martinez and Rosalia Delgadillo and Maria Antonia Velos is listed as the illegitimate daughter of Maria Antonia Velos. That should normally end the discussion but all the baptisms say something different. If all the baptisms agreed I would say the baptisms were correct but since all the baptisms say something different that sort of points to the marriage record that Maria Antonia Velos is the illegitimate daughter of another Maria Antonia Velos.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-VBSJ-DN

The baptism of Rafael Martinez and Maria Antonia Velos's daughter Praxedis Martinez lists Maria Antonia Velos as the daughter of Nazario Velos and Dorotea Garcia:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NTQS-5X4

The baptism of Rafael Martinez and Maria Antonia Velos's daughter Julia Martinez lists Maria Antonia Velos as the daughter of Valentino Velos and Maria Guadalupe:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2ZJ-1ZF

The baptism of Rafael Martinez and Maria Antonia Velos's son Herculano Martinez lists Maria Antonia Velos as the daughter of Victor Velos and Guadalupe Cordero:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2ZV-8GM

The baptism of Rafael Martinez and Maria Antonia Velos's son Mauro Martinez lists Maria Antonia Velos as just the daughter of Guadalupe Velos:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JS3X-WW1

Now there's always errors on records that's just the way it is but this is a lot of errors.

Valentino Velos and Guadalupe Lopez are a real couple and that's close to what's written on the baptism of Julia Martinez and they did have a daughter born in February 1804 in Santa MAria de los Lagos named MAria Antonia Velos which may be your actual Maria Antonia Velos:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J9YD-KZ7

The last one may be correct but it still seems odd that the marriage lists her as the illegitimate daughter of MAria Antonia Velos.

Published by stephmartinez316 – Tue, 2018-07-03 21:48 | Permalink

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in my tree i shows a valentino velos married to maria guadalupe cordero and is parents to maria antonia velos. yep that is the ara and or birthdate for her . and i do agree too many indescrepancies with the records so it made it rather confusing to continues on the lineages of these particular families so far.

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Since Guadalupe Lopez also uses cordero she might be the daughter of Jose Lopez de Ortigoza and Mariana de los Dolores Cordero y Flores

Domingo Camarena / 1650 Padron for Jalostotitlán

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I am working on my Camarena line and I am stuck at Domingo Camarena and Maria Gonzalez. I read that the Camarenas appear in the 1650 padron for Jalostotitlán.

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That's right. Sergio Gutiérrez used them for his book. I want to see images of the originals for myself and was wondering if they can be found on FamilySearch somewhere.

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Gotchya. According to "Census Records for Latin America and the Hispanic United States" by Lyman Platt the 1650 Jalostitlan Census can be found at the Archivo del Arzobispado de Guadalajara, Mexico and is not in Family Search

Femat and Femá with Romo de Vivar

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Femat and Femá with Romo de Vivar

Hello

I came across this information today:

The name Femá is also written as Femat, judging from two documents:

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Published by Denise Hernand… – Fri, 2017-05-26 06:10 | Permalink

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Proceso de fe de Juan José Aguirre

Fermin Antonio Femat had a brother, Juan Jose Aguirre aka Femate, who was accused of making a pact with the devil. The record of the Inquisition can be read via PARES. I found it by putting the name "Femate" in the search engine. This link to the image might work too:

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/ImageServlet?accion=41&txt_…

The case involved a girl. My colonial Spanish is not that great, but the handwriting is easy enough.

Regards
Denise

Se reactivo la Guía General del Archivo General de la Nación

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Hola a los genealogistas:

Desde ayer encontré que se reactivó por fin, la Guía General del Archivo General de la Nación que contiene, entre otros, los documentos de la época virreinal.

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Genealogy Bank

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Has anyone tried using Genealogy Bank? What was your experience? They keep advertising on several cites I'm on and was wondering if anyone had tried them. Thank you, D. Corona

jose simon martinez and or maria rosalia delgadillo

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been actively online again searching for jose simon martinez and his wife maria rosalia delgadillo. he was born roughly about 1760 mexico and she also was born about 1765 .

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Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Sun, 2017-03-19 23:34 | Permalink

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Dear Steph Martinez,

I did some more research and went back some more generations where they hook up with other research that I had previously done for my family tree . The line hooks up with the Ruiz de Esparza family so there is descent from Moctezuma, as well as descent from Lope Ruiz de Esparza junior.

Rick A. Ricci

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Sat, 2017-03-18 04:36 | Permalink

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Miguel Martin married on 12/Nov/1719 to Efigenia Lucresia de Lira in Cienega de Mata, Jalisco. Image # 202 out of 456 in film # 641015

Miguel Martin and Efigenia Lucrecia de Lira are the parents of Bernardo (Bernardino) De La O Martin (Aka Martinez)

Bernardo (Bernardino) De La O Martin (Aka Martinez) married twice, first to Maria Yldefonsa Sedillo on 12/Feb/1746, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco. (Daughter of Nicolas Sedillo and Josepha de Torres.

Bernardo (Bernardino) De La O Martin (Aka Martinez) married for the second time to Francisca Xaviera Vicenta de Ortiz, daughter of Francisco Hortiz (Ortiz) and Maria Bernarda de Jesus De La Rosa.

Bernardo (Bernardino) De La O Martin (Aka Martinez) and Francisca Xaviera Vicenta de Ortiz are the parents of Jose Simon Martinez married to Maria Rosalia Barthola Delgadillo-Gonzalez y Miramontes, daughter of Jose Regino Delgadillo (aka del Gado aka Gonzalez) and Maria Ysabel Miramontes

Rick A. Ricci

Published by Ruben Hdez – Fri, 2017-03-10 13:00 | Permalink

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Parents of Simon and Rosalia are listed in the christening record (May 22 1803) of their daughter Maria Prudencia:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-JGJF-P

Here is the christening record (Jan 15 1794) of their daughter Maria Manuela:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-JGJX-3

María Prudencia and Maria Manuela were sisters because both of them were born in a place called Juachi or El Juachi and it also proves Rosalia Delgadillo was a.k.a. Rosa Delgado.

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Maria Rosalia Delgadillo (aka Delgado) is the daughter of Josse Regino Delgado and Maria Ysabel Flores (aka Miramontes)

Godparents are Valtazar (Balthazar) Fuentes and Maria Polonia Delgadillo

The Godmother is also a daughter of Josse Regino Delgadillo (Delgado) and Maria Ysabel Flores (aka Miramontes)

The godfather is a son of Manuel Fuentes and Maria de Los Dolores Servantes.

Jose Andres Delgadillo is a brother to Maria Rosalia Delgadillo and Maria Polonia Delgadillo He is married to Maria Nicolaza Lira (daughter of Joseph de Lira and Maria Candida.

Here is a record that needs to be researched to see if there is a possible connection:

Rosa Ma. Miramontes Flores
Mexico Baptisms
Name Rosa Ma. Miramontes Flores
Gender Female
Christening Date 02 Oct 1736
Christening Place TLALTENANGO DE SANCHEZ ROMAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
Father's Name Joseph Miramontes
Mother's Name Bernarda Flores
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLZQ-XZN : 12 December 2014), Rosa Ma. Miramontes Flores, 02 Oct 1736; citing TLALTENANGO DE SANCHEZ ROMAN,ZACATECAS,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 443,803.

Rick A. Ricci

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thank you ricci and everyone for clarifying my training of thoughts. I highly suspected inter close marriages and yes agreed will need a dispensa as polonia back then was a daughter of josse regiono Delgadillo.

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I forgot to explain why it is important to investigate the existence of a dispensation for the marriage of Maria Mauricia Martinez and Vicente Flores. The parents of Maria Mauricia Martinez are Simon Martinez and Maria Rosalia Delgadillo. The parents of Maria Rosalia Delgadillo are Josse Regino Delgado (Delgadillo) and Maria Isabel Flores (aka/Miramontes). The Delgado and Flores ancestry are the lines that are most likely shared by Maria Mauricia's husband Vicente Flores Delgado. The parents of Vicente are Clemente Flores and Maria Antonia Delgado (Delgadillo). A dispensation may provide common ancestors or clues since Maria Antonia Delgadillo is most likely related to Regino Delgadillo and Maria Isabel Flores Miramontes is most likely related to Clemente Flores. Searching through the baptismal records of the children of Clemente Flores and Maria Antonia Delgado may also provide information that could help in finding the parents of Josse Regino Delgadillo and Maria Isabel Flores Miramontes.

Good Luck,
Rick A. Ricci

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Important to Research this record to see if there is a letter of dispensation that shows that the bride, Maria Mauricia Martinez, and groom, Vicente Flores, are related through both the Delgadillo and the Flores lines.

Name. Vicente Flores
Birth Date 1787
Age 32
Spouse's Name Maria Mauricia Martinez
Spouse's Birth Date 1795
Spouse's Age 24
Event Date 18 Feb 1819
Event Place Cienega De Mata,Ojuelos,Jalisco,Mexico
Father's Name Clemente Flores
Mother's Name Maria Antonia Delgado
Spouse's Father's Name Simon Martinez
Spouse's Mother's Name Maria Rosalia Delgadillo
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCZV-9FJ : 15 July 2015), Simon Martinez in entry for Vicente Flores and Maria Mauricia Martinez, 18 Feb 1819; citing Cienega De Mata,Ojuelos,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 641,017.

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yes correct rosa Delgado aka Delgadillo was known by both names in some of the records I have viewed through family search and through ancestry.com she was my 6th great grandmother. I currently also found about 8 of her children and yes correct maria Manuela and or maria prudencia is those children of hers. thank you kindly for that.

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I forgot to add that Jose Simon Martinez is the son of Fernando Martinez and Maria Bernarda Ortiz. That information is found in the baptismal record of Maria Prudencia that Ruben Hernandez provided.

Here are possible leads on Fernando Martinez:

Fernando Antto. Martin
Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records
Name Fernando Antto. Martin
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 14 Jun 1747
Event Place Inmaculada Concepción, Ciénega de Mata, Jalisco, Mexico
Gender Male
Father's Name Prudensio Martin
Mother's Name Felipa Antta.
Citing this Record
México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979, database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N6QG-9HP : 16 February 2017), Fernando Antto. Martin, 14 Jun 1747; citing Baptism, Inmaculada Concepción, Ciénega de Mata, Jalisco, Mexico, parroquias Católicas Jalisco (Catholic Church parishes, Jalisco); FHL microfilm 640,151.

Joseph Prudencio Martines
Mexico Baptisms
Name Joseph Prudencio Martines
Gender Male
Christening Date 22 Apr 1722
Christening Place SAN LUIS,COLOTLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Lucas Martines
Mother's Name Ma.
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JSHS-2TY : 12 December 2014), Joseph Prudencio Martines, 22 Apr 1722; citing SAN LUIS,COLOTLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 443,671.

Rick A. Ricci

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Fri, 2017-03-17 20:45 | Permalink

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Dear Steph,

There are two Jose Regino and Maria Ysabel couples, with enough similarities that they can be confused as being the same couple but there is evidence that distinguishes them. One of the Jose Regino and Maria Ysabel couples is español while the other Jose Regino and Maria Ysabel are mulatos libres.

This Jose Simon Martines and Maria Rosalia Barthola Gonzales Delgadillo is the same couple that is your family. The surnames Delgadillo, Delgado, and Gonzalez were all used by both Maria Rosalia and her father Jose Regino.

1) Diego Delgadillo and Isabel Calderon Orosco are the parents of Juan Delgadillo who is married to Ma.de la Concepcion Gonzalez de Islas Renteris (aka de Islas)

2) Juan Delgadillo and Ma.de la Concepcion Gonzalez de Islas Renteris (aka de Islas) are the parents of at least two sons, Juan Delgadillo y Gonzalez (Junior) and Diego Delgadillo Gonzalez.

3) juan Delgadillo Gonzalez (junior) is married to Elvira Martinez de Alarcon and are the parents of Maria Antonia Delgadillo that went by numerous surnames( Delgadillo, Martinez, and Gonzalez de Islas).

4) Maria Antonia Delgadillo ( aka Martinez, aka gonzalez de Islas) married Jose Diaz de Leon. These are my ancestors.

Jose Regino Delgadillo (aka Jose Regino Gonzalez) most likely descends from Juan Delgadillo and Ma.de la Concepcion Gonzalez de Islas Renteris (aka de Islas)

The descendants of the Delgadillo Gonzalez de Islas often married into the Martinez de Alarcon family. I descend from some of these Delgadillo Martinez lines I believe that there is a strong probability that Jose Simon Martinez also descends from the Martinez de Alarcon family.

Rick A. Ricci

Jose Simon Martines
mentioned in the record of Jose Simon Martines and Rosalia Barthola Gonsales
Name Jose Simon Martines
Spouse's Name Rosalia Barthola Gonsales
Event Date 10 Dec 1781
Event Place Cienega De Mata,Ojuelos,Jalisco,Mexico
Father's Name Bernardo De La O Martines
Mother's Name Francisca Xaviera Ortis
Spouse's Father's Name Jose Regino Gonsales
Spouse's Mother's Name Maria Ysavel Miramontes
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCZK-KX7 : 15 July 2015), Jose Simon Martines and Rosalia Barthola Gonsales, 10 Dec 1781; citing Cienega De Mata,Ojuelos,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 641,016.

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i did go look for the record and looking to me on fernando it cites prudencio for the father and or a woman by name of felipa for the mother which is fantastic news to me. and thank you for the record to confirm the differentiality of the persons in the one i couldnt view at the time . after reviewing informations and or notations in the groups of here i couldnt help but notice that you was a family member and to me that is awesome news! hi cousin rick ricci lol . this just made my day! i do hopes to do this dna test i keeps reading about i may start with the ancestry.com one first and see where it goes and or do the others later on as the coronado side of the family is virtuously stuck in brick wall when it has to do with my grandfather andres coronado and grandmother of mine by name of maria amat. but compared to over 10 yrs ago for records i couldnt be more happier as my great grandparents died exactly 4 years before i was even born and to me that is priceless learning about them and their families. not to forget meeting new families members that is also priceless to me

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Dear Steph,

Prudencio is not the grandfather of Jose Simon Martinez. I had mentioned Prudencio Martinez only as something to be checked out as a possibility. It has been ruled out as The correct line goes like this:

1) Jose Simon Martinez is Named as the son of Fernando Martinez but Fernando Martinez is properly named as Bernardo (Bernardino) de la O Martin.

2) Bernardo (Bernardino) De La O Martin (Aka Martinez) and Francisca Xaviera Vicenta de Ortiz are the parents of Jose Simon Martinez married to Maria Rosalia Barthola Delgadillo-Gonzalez y Miramontes, daughter of Jose Regino Delgadillo (aka del Gado aka Gonzalez) and Maria Ysabel Miramontes.

Bernardo (Bernardino) De La O Martin (Aka Martinez) married for the second time to Francisca Xaviera Vicenta de Ortiz, daughter of Francisco Hortiz (Ortiz) and Maria Bernarda de Jesus De La Rosa.

3) Miguel Martin and Efigenia Lucrecia de Lira are the parents of Bernardo (Bernardino) De La O Martin (Aka Martinez)

Miguel Martin married on 12/Nov/1719 to Efigenia Lucresia de Lira in Cienega de Mata, Jalisco. Image # 202 out of 456 in film # 641015

Rick A. Ricci

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fantastic reading on this database i have been going back and forth. beautiful name of my grandma back then i was wondering it says of the islands am i correct ? how should i import her name into my roots magic or family tree maker? is it maria de la concepcion or how?

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Jose Regino Delgadillo Gonzalez most likely descends from one of two Delgadillo Gonzalez lines. To distinguish them, one is called the Delgaldillo Gonzalez line while I refer to the other one as the Delgado Gonzalez line. If we find that Mauricia is not related to her husband then Regino most likely descends from the Delgadillo Gonzalez line that I listed earlier. If they are related then Regino descends from the Delgado Gonzalez line that are ancestors of Mauricia's husband. I am going to look for a letter of dispensation before I list the other line. This other Delgado Gonzalez line is the one that leads into the Ruiz de Esparza family and Moctezuma. I am related to both the Delgadillo Gonzalez line and the Delgado Gonzalez line.

Rick A. Ricci

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while going to my family tree area to imports information i happened to notice for the area of cinega de matas, jalisco, mexico regarding marriages through family search there was names of antonia rosalia and or a anna maria delgado for following references they can be found through family search ie:familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3A"maria%20rosalia%20barthola"~%20%2Bsurname%3Adelgadillo~%20%

https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenn…

)a maria ysabel and juan delgado was present for both marriages) i was wondering if they were sisters of my maria rosalia delgadillo?

Agustin de Cordoba and Ines Martinez Calvillo

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Im wondering if anyone has this couple Agustin de Cordoba and Ines Martinez Calvillo in their tree.

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Published by jrefugioghermosillo – Sat, 2018-07-07 15:27 | Permalink

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Hi Danny,

I don’t have this couple in my tree, but here are a couple of leads:

Agustin de Cordoba and Ynes Martinez Calvillo were mulatos libres. As you know, in a lot of cases, Mulatos took on the surnames of the families they worked for. During that era, there was a hacendado in Ags named Luis de Cordoba, as well as a family named Martinez Calvillo. I don’t know anything about Luis de Cordoba, but the Martinez Calvillo appear to descend from Joseph Martinez Calvillo cc Magdalena Gomez, who lived previously in San Felipe Gto and in Marfil Gto; they appear in Aguascalientes in the 1650s, and had about 10 children. I’ve also seen this surname in Zamora, Mich, though I haven’t been able to link them.

Agustin might come from Luis de Cordoba’s hacienda. Ynes Martinez Calvillo, on the other hand, is surely linked to the Martinez Calvillo, as a daughter (legitimate or illegitimate) or as a criado (or child of a criado). I mention Joseph Calvillo cc Magdalena Gomez in this thread: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/23857

Looking at their marriage record, are the testigos Tomas de Lira and Joseph de los Santos? If so, they both had ties to Chinampas in Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jal. The Lira’s were servants on Chinampas, you might wanna dig around there.

I hope that helps, and good luck!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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This is really great information, Manny. Thank you so much. I've now looked at that couple Joseph Martinez Calvillo and Magdaleno Gomez and it definitely looks like Joseph Martinez Calvillo or one of his kids is the illegitimate father of Ynes Martinez Calvillo.

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Hola Danny:

Yo también tengo una abuela llamada Victoria de Córdoba que nació el 16 de enero de 1746 en Ciénega de Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco. Era hija de Atanasio de Córdoba nacido en 1724 en Encarnación y de María Hermenegilda de los Dolores Martínez.

Muy cerca de Encarnación había una zona llamada "de las negritas" en donde había familias de personas negras. También en Ciénega de Mata había cientos de esclavos, por lo que en esa zona había población mulata.

Hay varios libros sobre los descendientes que mencionan sus linajes, se mencionan en el artículo Esclavos o Libres, en el blog Historias y Recuerdo de Encarnación, tal vez te sirva.

Saludos

Marcelina

Juan Sanches Salgado and Victoria Ballin

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Published by Ruben Hdez – Sat, 2018-03-24 18:42 | Permalink

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Hello Rick.

This couple christened 4 of their children in Jalostotitlán, Jalisco between the years 1708 and 1721 according to the results of the following search on FamilySearch:

https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=75&localeSubcountryName=Jalisco&query=%2Bgivenname%3Amanuela%20%2Bsurname%3Alupercio~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1670-1695~%20%2Bspouse_surname%3Asanches~%20%2Brecord_country%3AMexico%20%2Brecord_subcountry%3A%22Mexico%2CJalisco%22

If this is your Juan Sanchez, he should have been born before 1690.

I hope this information helps in your research.

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Hola Rick:

Hay una discusión previa sobre ésta familia bajo el título "Diego Vallin husban of Francisca Ruiz de Esparza, te convendría revisarlo.

Los participantes señalan que hay varios árboles genealógicos que señalan que la familia proviene de Francia, sin aportar pruebas. Yo encontré un libro y algún artículo sobre la historia de la imprenta en México que señala que esa familia tenía imprenta en Salamanca, España y obtuvieron licencia para poner una imprenta en la ciudad de México, se sabe que la familia era de origen francés porque Pedro Balli era traductor de la misma, aunque él había nacido en Salamanca, fue hijo de Juan Bautista Balli y de Catalina Rodríguez, pasó a Nueva España por Cédula del 15 de julio de 1569. Tuvo 5 hijos el Licenciado Juan Bautista Balli que escribió un memorial dirigido a la corona, Jerónimo quien heredó la imprenta y murió joven y tres mujeres que quedaron bajo la manutención de su hermano.

http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/obra-visor/historia-de-la-imprenta-en-l…

Saludos

Marcelina

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Pierre Vailly, también conocido como Pedro Bailli, fue residente de Salamanca. Su familia tenía raíces en Francia, Italia, y España. Algunos genealogogos tiene sus antepasados de los Vailly en Italia que vienen a España en 1300’s, pasan a Francia donde se casan con francés. En los 1500’s encontramos la familia en Francia donde nace el padre de Pierre en Strasbourg, Alsace Lorraine, Francia. Su padre pasa a Italia donde se casa con una italiana/española y nace Pierre/Pedro. La familia pasa a España y se asientan en Salamanca antes de pasar a mexico. En Francia esta familia Vailly dejó su marca en la region de Alsace Lorraine. Hay un pueblo en esta región donde se encuentra un tipo de “multiple sclerosis “ que es diferente de otro tipos.

En 1900’s encontramos descendientes de Pierre Vailly,/Pedro Bailli en Pegueros Jalisco Mexico que también han heredado esta forma de “multiple Sclerosis “. Estos Martin del Campo De Pegueros son mis primos terceros y cuartos. Las familias que yo conozco que han heredado “multiple Sclerosis “ tienen padres que eran primos cercanos por lo Martin Del Campo y descendientes de Pierre Vailly.

En El Valle de Guadalupe Jalisco Mexico se encuentra otra familia donde los padres eran primos cercanos por lo Martin del Campo y esta familia ha heredado otra condición genética. Muchos de esta familia son sordos. Yo desciendo de la rama de Martin del Campo Del Valle de Guadalupe y tengo un medio hermano que nació sordo.

Yo desciendo de “Josesito” Martin del Campo siete veces por sus dos matrimonios. Mi esposa desciende de Josesito Martin del Campo dos veces. Mi esposa y yo somos primos quintos por la descendencia de Josesito Martin del Campo.

R.A.Ricci
Source: my book “Mygenes2000”

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Hola Rick:

Me dejaste asombrada. Yo conozco a una mujer muy bella que tiene esclerosis múltiple y resulta que se apellida Barba, creo que su mamá es de Jalisco, me contaron que el médico les dijo que había mayor incidencia en las personas de ojos azules y ésta chica los tiene azules.

Yo también desciendo tanto de los Barba como de los Martin. ¿Sabes si los miembros de ésta familia tengan algún protocolo de tratamiento?

Gracias por la inofrmación

Marcelina

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Hola Marcelina,

La línea de Los Barba en mis notas termina con la información que me paso Ing. José de Jesús Barba Ornelas. Hoy día no hemos hayado una línea de Barba en Francia. Hay muchos Martin del Campo que se han casado con Barba. La esclerosis múltiple viene por lo Martin del Campo por ser descendientes de Pierre Vailly. Mi esposa viene de una familia donde se casaron Martin del Campo y Barba muchas veces. Los padres de una de sus tatarabuelas se apellidan Barba Martin del Campo y Martin del Campo Barba. Los padres de su tatarabuela eran primos hermanos, por lo Barba y también por lo Martin del Campo. Por eso también vas a ver esclerosis múltiple también en la familia Barba.

Las mujeres de está familia que yo conozco que han heredado esclerosis múltiple también han heredado la belleza.

Ricardo A. Ricci

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Hola Ricardo:

La sorpresa también tiene otros aspectos. Hace unos 20 años viví en cierta colonia, mi vecina de al lado se apellida Barba Martín y es de Jalostotitlán y me platicaba mucho sobre su familia. No muy lejos estaba otra familia de apellido Barba a la que pertenece la chica con la esclerosis, en aquél entonces le pregunté tanto a mi amiga como a la madre de la segunda familia si estaban emparentadas, dijeron que tal vez sí, pero ya no quisieron indagar más al respecto. Recientemente y gracias a tus investigaciones y las de otros compañeros me he enterado que yo desciendo tanto de Pedro Vailly, como de los Muñoz de la Barba y de los Martín del Campo.

Es decir, coincidimos en cierto espacio y tiempo pero ya ninguna de las tres vive en aquélla colonia, aunque compartimos los mismos ancestros.

Hasta ahora me he enterado, porque mi bisabuela materno paterna Juana Cuéllar Murguía fue una persona poco valorada en la familia y no se habló jamás de sus orígenes, lo único que se comentaba es que no supo administrar la herencia que le heredó su esposo.

Tal vez alguna vez vuelva a ver a mi amigas y por lo que ahora se, parientas.

No se si ya conoces éste PDF que contiene retratos de la familia Villaseñor:

http://www.museocjv.com/cedros/Los%20de%20Villasenor.pdf

En donde vivo hay personas con los mismos rasgos, espero te guste.

Saludos

Marcelina

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Hola Marcelina,

Gracias por contarme de tus amigas Barba y Martin De Jalostotitlan. Estas son las familias de mi esposa, y también las mías. Si conozco el pdf de los Villaseñor que mencionas. Tiene mucha información y es un buen trabajo. Pero tiene por lo menos dos errores que yo he encontrado. Alamejor hay más pero yo no más he encontrado a dos errores.

Gracias ,
Ricardo A. Ricci

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When I first found out that I had so much Martin del Campo ancestry I was surprised. Then I thought to myself “ no wonder some family members have hearing issues.” But no close members of my family have multiple Sclerosis. The closest family members that I knew with multiple Sclerosis were fourth cousins, or so I thought. I found out yesterday that a second cousin that I hadn’t seen in a couple of decades had come down with symptoms soon after I last saw her. She passed away a couple years ago after succumbing to the symptoms. She didn’t come down with symptoms until she was an adult. My fourth cousins that suffered from multiple Sclerosis all experienced some symptoms prior to becoming adults.

Rick. A. Ricci

Published by Marcelina Macias – Mon, 2018-03-19 13:50 | Permalink

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Hola Rick:

Hubo una familia de impresores franceses que pasaron a vivir a Salamanca, España, tiempo después emigraron a la ciudad de México en donde tuvieron una imprenta también, sus descendientes pasaron a Nueva Galicia.

Uno de ellos Jerónimo Vailly o Valli aparece en varias obras sobre la historia de la imprenta en México. éste apellido fue escrito con variantes como Balli, Bailli, y posiblemente esté relacionado con tu abuela Victoria.
En el reciente post sobre la carta de dote de Alfonsina de la Paz subido por J. Refugio Hermosillo se menciona a alguien de esa familia.

Saludos

Marcelina

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Marcelina,
Muchísimas gracias - que interesante. Son cosas como estas que me impulsan mucho a seguir adelante con mis investigaciones, no obstante lo difícil que pueda ser.

Casa de Diego de Coria

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Hola! compañeros esta es la segunda ocasión que pido ayuda .

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The connection of the Dorantes Carranza family to the Lopez Peralta family is of paramount importance when dissecting what Dorantes Carranza jr. wrote. If I didn't know of this connection, I would find everything he wrote on this family as suspect since it presents a very old Diego Coría marrying a very young daughter of Jeronimo Lopez Peralta. But since I do know that the Dorantes Carranza family is closely related, and were involved with the Lopez Peralta family, I take the part of a Diego Coría marrying and having a child named Diego Coría Peralta as the truth. Checking the time frame does not allow any other generation between Diego Coría Peralta and Manuel Coría Peralta. This timeline is based on wills, marriage dates, and birth dates

What I'm not convinced of is the identity of the Diego Coria married to Maria Mendoza. It is not impossible, but it is unlikely, that this Diego Coría is the same Diego Coría that was a conquistador. I believe that it is much more likely that he is a son, or even grandson of Diego Coria the conquistador. Or the dates on the conquistador are way off. What we do have is the Lopez Peralta line going way back, and the only question is which of the daughters that became nuns was first married to Diego Coria. One of the possible sisters becomes a nun after being involved in the Dorantes scandal.

Rick A. Ricci

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Hola a todos:

La descendencia de Don Gerónimo López conquistador de México es algo confusa ya que la escritura de Mayorazgo imponía le condición de que el sucesor s fuera hombre o mujer se llamara Jerónimo o Jerónima.

Los descendientes impusieron a sus hijos nombres como: Luis Jerónimo, Juan Gerónimo, Francisco Jerónimo o María Gerónima, Ana Jerónima, etc.
En el caso de la familia Coria creo que si emparentó directamente con la descendencia de Don Gerónimo López, Caballero del Largarto.

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Hola a todos:

Es evidente que los dos conquistadores estaban relacionados ya que hicieron su relación de méritos y servicios juntos:

Información de méritos y servicios Diego de Coria y Jerónimo López, Portal Pares PATRONATO,78-a, N.1, R.5

Hay una diversa información que fue realizada a petición de Gerónimo López para hacer constar su posesión sobre "Chapultepeque" que puede verse en línea como:

Información hecha a pedimento del conquistador Jerónimo López 1530-1539 en www.biblioteca.tvEn dicho procedimiento Diego de Coria compareció como testigo a favor de Gerónimo.

Saludos

Marcelina

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Hola Marcelina,

Yo he estudiado la familia de los Lopez de Peralta por muchos años. Primero los estudie por el parentesco con los Sanchez de Velasco. Yo he podido juntar mucha informacíon que explica el Arbol familiar. Yo desciendo de la familia Lopez Peralta.

Donde todavia tengo una duda es " cual Diego de Coria es el que se caso con la hija del tesorero Geronimo Lopez de Peralta (II)?" Cuando genealogos hicieron el error de nombrar a Jeronimo Lopez (1) como el suegro de Diego Coria fue cuando muchos genealogos Hacen el error de nombra al conquistador diego de Coria como el suegro, pero creo que es mas probable que el esposo es hijo o nieto del " Viego"

Gracias,
Ricardo

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Hola Ricardo:

Creo que puedes tener razón, ya que Don Gerónimo nació en el siglo XV. Ya había leído sobre esta familia y su herencia en Salvatierra, Guanajuato, recuerdo una gigantesca hacienda abandonada, pero realmente no la he estudiado.

Las fechas que conozco son muy generales y se encuentran en la sección Gen-mex de la página bisabuelos.com en donde dice que Don Gerónimo se casó con Doña Ana Carrillo de Peralta, descendiente de la casa de Falces. Para saber con precisión con quien se casó cada quien -algunos se casaban varias veces- sería necesario conocer los testamentos o los contratos de matrimonio.

Encontré en Familysearch que el día 7 de enero de 1544 se bautizó a Alonso, hijo de Diego de Coria e Isabel de Chávez. Creo que se trata del conquistador pues los padrinos son varios y todos importantes: Don Juan Negrete, Arcediano, Don Diego (no pude leerlo) Chantre, Don Álvaro Timiño maestre escuela y Don Rafael de Cervantes, tesorero.

En aquella época se designaba a los sobrinos, yernos y nueras como "hijos", existen varias cartas del siglo XVI que así lo demuestran. Incluso los maridos se referían a sus esposas como "hija mía". Las viudas de los conquistadores se volvían a casar con los compañeros del marido. Así que requiere mucha paciencia determinar quien fue el marido.

Podríamos consultar el libro de Los Encomenderos de Himmerich a ver si menciona algo.

Saludos

Marcelina

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Hola de nuevo:

Diego de Coria nació hacia 1500 en Alcalá e Guadaira, Sevilla hijo de Alonso de Coria y Leonor Rodríguez, casó tres veces:

Esposa 1.- Violante Rodríguez hacia 1527.
Esposa 2.- Isabel de Chávez hacia 1536, hija del conquistador Hernando de Chávez.
Esposa 3.- María de Mendoza hacia 1549, hija del conquistador Gerónimo López y de su primera esposa Elvira Álvarez de Mendoza.

Hijos: Hernando, Alonso, Manuel y Diego.

Gerónimo López, conquistador y vecino de Colima también se casó tres veces:

Esposa 1.- Elvira Álvarez de Mendoza con quien tuvo dos hijas: María Concepción y Ana, ambas de Mendoza.
Esposa 2.- Catalina Álvarez de Contreras con quien tuvo a Gerónimo López El Mozo que fue quien se casó con Ana Carrillo de Peralta.
Esposa 3.- Mencía de Rivera con quien tuvo siete hijos.

Fuente: libro (online) "Los testigos hablan.La conquista de Colima y sus informantes". Margarita Nettel Ros p. 227

Saludos

Marcelina

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Hola Marcelina,

El error que hemos hecho muchos genealogos es revolver la informacíon.

Diego de Coria el conquistador se caso con su tercera esposa, Maria Mendoza, hija de conquistador Geronimo Lopez (1).
Otro Diego Coria, hijo o nieto del conquistador, se caso con una hija de Geronimo Lopez (II) "El Mozo" y Ana Carillo de Peralta.
La hija se fue de Monja despues de quedar viuda.
Como Mendoza aparece en la descendencia de la familia, genealogos hacen el error de pensar de que la linea viene de Maria Mendoza, la tercera esposa del conquistador Diego Coria. Pero es un gran error. Lo Mendoza de Los "Coria y Lopez Peralta viene por una linea materna de una abuela de los Peralta.

Yo he verificado la linea de los Lopez Peralta. El problema sigue siendo "cual de Los tres hombres nombrado Diego de Coria es esposo de la hija de Geronimo Lopez (II) el Mozo, ( tambien conocido como el tesorero)?"

Como queda viuda, y se hace monja, yo creo que es mas probable que el marido es Diego Coria (II), el hijo del conquistador Diego Coria (I) y no el nieto Diego Coria (III).

No se si es verdad que el conquistador Diego Coria se caso con la hija del Conquistador Geronimo Lopez. Creo que es posible que estan confundiendo la informacíon con el Diego Coria Casado con la hija de Geronimo Lopez (II).

Gracias,
Ricardo

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Hola Ricardo:

Pues yo creo que es correcta la información de la autora porque revisó todas las informaciones de méritos y servicios y los documentos antiguos, así como varios autores.

Creo que Gerónimo López I al nacer alrededor de 1500 se casó en terceras nupcias con María de Mendoza, él con 49 años y ella con más de veinte; y que por lo tanto Diego de Coria I fue el suegro de Gerónimo López I.

Esto no impide que las dos familias volvieran a entroncar en la generación siguiente o que se casaran con alguna persona de apellido similar, como Mendoza. Seguramente en el Archivo General de la Nación existen los documentos del mayorazgo López de Peralta, pero la Guía General sigue inactiva y hay problemas políticos por una ley de censura a los archivos históricos que se está proponiendo. Entonces resulta que debemos de esperar a que la reactiven.

Voy a revisar dos árboles genealógicos que están en Geneanet, uno Chantal Laurent y otro de Guillermo Tovar y de Teresa (monardes) posiblemnte contengan alguna información.

Saludos

Marcelina

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En el trabajo "Jerónimo López: un conquistador entre la reivindicación y el arbitrismo.

de Isabel Arenas Frutos visible en acuedi.org/ddata/9648PDF se analiza el testamento y la historia de sus hijas, en donde se menciona la que fue monja y que Baltasar Dorantes de Carranza la desengañó, no se llega a hablar de Diego de Coria.

Se confirma lo de los tres matrimonios de Gerónimo López. En el mensaje anterior expresé la relación contraria entre Gerónimo y Diego, sorry.

Marcelina

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Hola Marcelina,

Yo tengo mucha informacíon sober esta familia. Yo tengo la informacíon de Guillermo Tovar de Teresa sobre esta familia. tambien tengo informacíon de los hijos y nietos de Geronimo Lopez (II) el Mozo (el tesorero) y su esposa Ana Carillo de Peralta. Tambien he Corregido un error sobre la ascendencia de Ana Carillo de Peralta.

Saludos,
Ricardo

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1). Diego Coría Married to Maria Mendoza aka Ana de San Bernardo

2). Diego Coría y Mendoza Peralta and wife unknown at this time

3). Manuel Coría Peralta married to Catalina Lomelin

The family of Maria Mendoza guides the possible birth dates.

Maria Mendoza is most likely the sister that took the religious name Ana de San Bernardo when she became a nun.

Maria Mendoza Lopez De Peralta is born after 1567, most likely born in 1576, ninth born to Jeronimo el mozo. (There was one set of twins before her.)

#2 Diego Coría Mendoza Lopez Peralta s born after 1591

# 3 Manuel Coria Peralta born Circa 1607

Even though it is stated that the Diego Coría that marries the daughter of Jeronimo Lopez el tesorero, is the conquistador, it seems unlikely, though not impossible. He would have been very old. What is significant is that Jeronimo Lopez de Peralta and his daughter are identified as such and that they are identified by a relation of theirs. By a relation that knew the daughters well. The ancestry and descent of the Lopez Peralta is well documented.

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It is written that Manuel was from the first marriage and is not son of Maria Mendoza. If this is true then Manuel does not have Peralta as part of his surname. Then the son Diego Coría y Mendoza is the father of Manuel Coría Peralta that is married to Catalina Lomelin. So it would look like this:

1) Alonso Coría and Leonor Rodriguez

2) Diego Coría y Rodriguez. El Viejo. Married to Maria Mendoza Peralta

3) Diego Coría y Mendoza Peralta and wife unknown at this time

4) Manuel Coría Peralta married to Catalina Lomelin

The family of Maria Mendoza guides the possible birth dates of # 3 and # 4.

# 4 Manuel Most likely born circa 1590/1600

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Catalina de Soria b.1547 Torrijos, Espana married to Gaspar de Villanueva Sandoval (Torrijos, Espana)arrived sometime before 1579 (Baltazar de Villanueva Sandoval possibly first born) Also Felipe de Peralta accused Baltazar of gambling lots of money September of 1623.

I found this information in Diccionario Biografico de los Antiguos Pobladores de San Luis Potosi, by Rafael Morales Bocardo

Not sure if it helps.

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Dear Simona,

Although it is very possible that he is related to the Coría family that I am writing about, she does not descend from the Lopez Peralta family. Geronimo Lopez y Alvarez Cabrera married to Ana Carrillo de Peralta married after she was born, and their daughter that married the Coría family is born after the marriage and she was not one of the first born. Maria Mendoza was younger than at least one brother and sister as they are identified a as such.

The information you are providing is interesting and I will follow up on it to see if there is any relation to the Corias and Peraltas in my family.

Thanks for providing the info,
Rick A. Ricci

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I forgot to add that if this Dorantes Carranza is the same man that was involved n a scandalous incident with one of Jeronimo Lopez's daughters then he would know if Diego Coría had married into this family. He was a relation that had to run for his life before things calmed down and he got away with just paying a big fine. Due to his actions and others doing the same thing, the Catholic Church changed a rule concerning marriage. The daughter that he was involved with eventually became a nun.

Marcelina may know more about him if he is the same man as he was also involved with a daughter from the Laguna Bravo family. A member of the Peralta family married a member of the Laguna Bravo family so they too were related to the Lopez Peralta family

Since Diego Coría el viejo has a son named Diego Coría, it is possible that people have confused the two and it is the younger Diego Coria that is the one that marries Maria Mendoza. The problem with this theory though is that the younger Diego Coria is said to be the son of Maria Mendosa. There were at least three Diego Corias, el viejo, el menor, and a grandson (III) in a row. Due to the very large age difference between Diego Coría and Maria Mendoza Peralta, you would think that it is more likely that she is married to his son, so then she couldn't be his mother. But since people do have Maria Mendoza married to el viejo. The only possible way for this to be true would have been for him to have been married to her at what we would call retirement age and she would have been a young teenager. Before people start saying that it would have been impossible I will add that my own father remarried at retirement age and had at least five more children as he had five more children with his second wife. Five.

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Mon, 2016-10-24 15:56 | Permalink

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Diego Coría el viejo

Some of the dates that I read on the Diego Coría (el viejo) that marries Maria Mendoza, daughter of Jeronimo Lopez cannot be true.

Diego Coría 'el viejo' is the son of Alonso Coría and Leonor Rodriguez.
(His mother remarries after becoming a widow and has issue from the second marriage).

Diego Coría el viejo has a first marriage to Isabel Chavez, a daughter of Conquistador Hernando de Chavez (5 children) (Hernando Chavez is a brother to conquistador Gutierre de Badajoz). It seems that Isabel Chavez dies while giving birth to their last child in 1550.

Diego el viejo is then said to marry Maria Mendoza, a daughter of Jeronimo Lopez el tesorero.

The problems with what genealogists are taking as facts begin here. It looks like genealogists are mistakenly saying that Diego's father in law is the elder "viejo Jeronimo Lopez. The father has three wives and one of them is surnamed Alvarez Mendoza. Some genealogist mistakenly believe that Maria Mendoza is her daughter. Once they make the mistake of confusing who the father is, they compound this mistake by giving Maria Mendoza a much earlier birthdate, further mixing up the information.

Since Jeronimo Lopez el mozo is her father, she could not have been married in 1551 to Diego Coría el viejo since she had not been born yet. Since the Peralta in the surname comes from Jeronimo el Mozo's second wife, Maria Mendoza has to be from the second wife, Diego Coría el viejo was a very old man when he married Maria Mendoza who had to have been very young when this marriage takes place. Then, since most of Jeronimo's daughters are recorded as becoming nuns when her father is writing his testament, then she must have become a nun once she is widowed. But since the names of his daughters that became nuns are only known to us by their religious name, we are unable to find out which one was originally baptized Maria Mendoza. The Mendoza surname comes from a greatgrandparent from the Peralta side of the family.

Since Diego Coría el viejo is an old man and has a very young wife, the son of his that is named Manuel Coría could very well have been the Manuel Coría Peralta married to Catalina Lomelin.

What we know for sure is that Diego Coría el Viejo is the father or grandfather of Manuel Coría Peralta married to Catalina Lomelin. But since now we know that he was very old when he was having children, the two Manuels may be the same person.

If Diego Coría el viejo was born circa 1505, marries his first wife in 1534, becomes a widower in 1550, then he marries a very young Maria Mendoza when he is in his sixties or seventies, then His son Manuel could well have been having children in the 1620's and 1630's.

Some genealogist have a different line then the one I have put together. They have the Manuel Coría Peralta married to Catalina Lomelin as the son of Juan Alonso Coría Peralta, and grandson of Diego Coría and Maria Mendoza Lopez Peralta. As I wrote before, son and grandson both fit in the timelines. But only the correct timelines with the very old Diego el viejo marrying a very young Maria Mendoza, daughter of Jeronimo Lopez "el mozo", and whose mothers birth dates and marriage dates help date her.

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Ignacio,
Me podías esclarecer la genealogía que mencionaste sobre los Soria desde el más antiguo hasta nuestro Manuel de Soria Peralta, inclusive el vínculo entre Gerónimo López, según el libro Relación de Conquistadores que utilizaste? Discúlpame por no comprender muy bien. Gracias antemano. Tengo algunos fuentes que te interesará de los Archivos de Valladolid. Sobre todas estas familias: Villaseñor, López de Peralta, Figueroa, etc. Sé que el grupo es estrictamente de la Nueva Galicia más esta familia está tan vinculado tanto en ella como en el Obispado de Michoacán.
Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

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Ignacio,
Que interesante el fuente que encontraste sobre la genealogía de D. Diego de Soria. Ahora, bien, parece que el Gerónimo López de Peralta, talvez sea vinculado con el mismo Gerónimo López de Peralta quien fundo el Mayorazgo de los López de Peralta. Le he estudiado bien y revisaré mis fuentes para ver si tal vínculo existe o la posibilidad. La única cosa que me preocupa es el tiempo que los dos vivieron. Sobre los Soria también sé la posibilidad que fuesen descendientes de las Doce Linajes de Soria que es otra tema extensiva para abordar en otra ocasión. Me puedes enviar el fuente que tienes sobre aquel libro a mi correo electrónico. mendezdetorres@hotmail.com
Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

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Carlos Peredo

Hola Daniel e Ignacio

Me parece que la fuente de que habla Ignacio es el libro de Dorantes de Carranza "Sumaria Relación de las Cosas de la Nueva España" que está en la red. Es un libro muy interesante ya que lo escribió el hijo de aquel legendario explorador de la malograda expedición que se perdió en Florida y después de como tres años los únicos sobrevivientes (Dorantes Carranza Sr. , un esclavo mulato que creo se llamaba Estevanico y otro español que no recuerdo) llegaron a Sinaloa donde había una avanzada de españoles. Recuerdo que se relata que llegaron casi desnudos y renegridos por el sol y apenas vivos. Me parece que el libro fue escrito a principios de los 1,600´s.

El libro que yo bajé de internet fue publicado en 1902 paleografiado por Don José María de Agreda y Sánchez y tiene una anotación manuscrita en que alguien señala que el original se escribió en 1604.

En mi opinión es posible que algunos capítulos los halla escrito Don Baltazar Dorantes en ese año de 1604, sin embargo, hay un capítulo en que habla del Marqués de Toral y ese título se concedió hasta 1616 según recuerdo y al cual me referiré en otro post de micho interés para los descendientes de Pedro Ruíz de Haro.

Este Diego de Coria me parece que no tiene ninguna relación con los Soria; de él, Dorantes Carranza nos relata que vino con Cortés a América, que peleó en Tenochtitlán, en Honduras, en Oaxaca y luego fue nombrado alférez de Nueva Galicia y Escribano y que en esa conquista hizo una hazaña derrotando a una multitud de indios que estaban en una isla (Peñol) y por ese hecho el rey le concedió el 15-abr-1540 un escudo de armas.

Desglosa Dorantes la descendencia del dicho Diego de Coria diciendo que tuvo tres hijos : Alonso de Coria, Manuel de Coria y el tercero llamado Diego de Coria del cual dice Dorantes que es nieto de Gerónimo López- me imagino que es hijo de una segunda esposa la cual sería hija de Gerónimo López.

Dice además que otros descendientes que vivían en la Casa original de Diego de Coria eran Domingo de Cebreros, yerno; tres nietos llamados Diego de Coria, Joan Alonso de Peralta y Hernando de Coria.

Además de los anteriores, dice que vivían en dicha casa dos bisnietos : Hernando de Coria y Francisco de Coria y al final menciona otro nieto "Hernando de Trejo por la mujer"

Al final a manera de rúbrica dice "Ligitimos" , dando a entender que todos los listados son de matrimonio.

Este Diego de Coria fue probablemente bisabuelo de Manuel de Coria y Peralta el que casó por 1630 con Catarina de Lomelín pareja que aparece en el libro de "Familias y Casas de la Vieja Valladolid" , como vecinos de Jiquilpan y que tuvieron dos hijas :

Catarina de Coria Lomelín y Peralta vecina de Jiquilpan que casó en 1656 en Zamora, Mich. con José de la Brambila y Arriaga, de los que he localizado 8 hijos bautizados en Teocuitatlán y uno en Cocula.

Bernarda de Coria Lomelín y Peralta de la que localicé su partida de bautizo en 25-oct-1632 en Chilchota, Mich. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-19461-84161-47?cc=1883388&wc…
Ella casó por 1656 con José de Villaseñor Figueroa y en 1657 el 22 de Noviembre a su hija María en Teocuitatlán que al parecer murió niña porque en 1663 bautizan otra María también en Teocuitatlán la cual casó por 1683 con Francisco de Cuevas Carvajal.

Unos hijos o sobrinos de Catalina de Coria Lomelín y Peralta fueron ricos dueños de una enorme Hacienda llamada Coapa cercana a Pátzcuaro cuyo hermoso casco se puede apreciar en la red; se llamaban Juan y Joseph de Coria y Peralta que nacieron por 1660.

Me interesaría encontrar el parentesco de los anteriores con el conquistador Diego de Coria ya que de ambos hermanos descendieron sendas mujeres que casaron en 1736 y en 1755 con dos Peredos que deben ser mis parientes lejanos.

Saludos

Carlos A. Peredo

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Muchas gracias! por la información tengo la seguridad que sera de gran ayuda,a los que, estamos en esta búsqueda. tengo en mi Árbol a la Tia Bernardina y a algunas de sus Hijas espero le sea de alguna ayuda .estaré en la Sagrada Mitra de Gudalajara e tiene algún consejo sobre los datos que allá puedo obtener? aquí tiene las Hijas de Bernardina Lomelin de Coria Peralta y Joseph de Villaseñor Figueroa Dorothea Villaseñor Lomelin nació el 24 Mar 1659 en Teocuitatlan de Corona, Jalisco, Mexico
Franca. Figueroa Coria nació el 23 Mayo 1660 en Teocuitatlan de Corona, Jalisco, Mexico
Maria de Villaseñor Lomelín nació el 3 Mayo 1663 en Teocuitatlan de Corona, Jalisco, Mexico Juana Villaseñor Lomelin nació el Feb 19 1667 en TEOCUITATLAN DE CORONA,JALISCO,MEXICO
Marcela Villasenor Lomellin nació el año de 1664 en Sayula Jalisco Mexico.

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la única que! nació en Sayula fue casada con el Señor Capitán Bartolome de Llerena y Ayala contador de la caja real de Guadalajara. procreando
a:
Nicolassa Antonia Llerena Villaseñor
n. 25 septiembre 1688, b. 12 octubre 1688 san Francisco de Asis, Jocotepec, Jalisco. Capitán Bartolome de Llerena y Ayala se casó (viudo de Marcela de Villaseñor Lomelin) 31 agosto 1670 sagrario metropolitano, Guadalajara con Francisca de Renteria Bocanegra.

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Thank you for this information. I have been concentrating my efforts recently on the Brambila y Arriaga family in Michoacán and Jalisco. Are there any possibilities that the documents from Michoacán will be indexed in the near future?
Deedra Corona

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yo solo encontré esta pagina por Internet pero no sabia el de este libro ,pero el Sr Señor Carlos A. Peredo fue tan gentil de darnos una pista mejor dicho el nombre de el libro. libro de Dorantes de Carranza "Sumaria Relación de las Cosas de la Nueva España"

Lope de Ruiz Esparza lineage, dead end

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Hello. I'm trying to trace my lineage to Lope de ruiz esparza. I started in Guadalajara where my dad is from, to Cocula, to Amatlan in Nayarit.

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Published by dcalonso – Fri, 2018-06-29 02:21 | Permalink

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I couldn't really find anything except the sons marriage, although it looks like the actual last name is Barbosa, so its probably the mother that's named Esparza. sorry i couldnt help

Assistance with transcribing marriage record

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Hello,

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the part that i can read say:

En ______ (ma)yo de mil setecientos y veinte años, el licenciado ______ cura _____ Juez Eclesiástico de esta villa, case y vele in facie (ecclesiae) por palabras de presente y de su mutuo consentimiento habiendo precedido las tres amonestaciones y de mas diligencias que ordena y manda el santo concilio a Thomas de Ochoa, español ____ (con) (Jua)na Maria Verdugo, española vecina de este real, estando presentes, el ___ don Joseph Subiate y don Joseph de la Campa y ____ don Alonso Montaño y otros muchos presentes y para que conste (lo firme) Ut Supra

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Thanks, I really appreciate your help - I'm also looking at these other names to see if I can find any other family links by looking at military musters. I've found de la Campa and Montano in military musters.
Thank you again for helping me,
Yo

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If matrimonial investigations exist for this parish in this time period, it will have information not in the marriage record. In some parishes many of the early matrimonial investigations are missing, and they are often not in chronological order. For a marriage without complications, that is no dispensation, they are often 4-6 weeks prior to the marriage.

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George,

I checked and there doesn't look like there's any IM's for that parish. But yes the matrimonial investigations are usually a great help. Especially the one's you did for Aguascalientes. I use them all the time.

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In 1719 in chihuahua theres a marriage for a Joseph de la Campa and Josepha de Subiate. The Joseph de la Campa is probably the same one as on your record. He's also probably the brother in law to the Joseph de Subiate on your record, who im guessing is the brother of the bride Josepha de Subiate.

"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JH51-B5F : 10 February 2018), Josseph De La Campa and Maria Jossepha De Subiate, 25 Mar 1719; citing El Sagrario,Chihuahua,Chihuahua,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 162,689.

Padrones

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Good Evening,
I've recently run across an 1839 Padrones for Asientos, Aguas. on FamilySearch.
Went through it all and found some useful information.

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Published by superhorrible – Wed, 2018-06-27 00:11 | Permalink

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Hello,

I good source is the book by Lyman Platt. "Census records for latin america and the hispanic united states" at the family history library the book is : 980 X23pc 1998
I hope helps

sus

Indexed info available for some Obispado de Michoacan records.

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Hello,

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Published by coronaarechiga – Mon, 2017-04-03 16:51 | Permalink

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Yes, I'm willing to help. Assign me one to work on. Thank you, Deedra

Published by dserna1 – Mon, 2017-04-03 20:29 | Permalink

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Just wanted to say thank you to all of you who have signed up to help! We're following up with you offline to get the ball rolling. If you wish to help, please send an email to

valladoliddispensas@googlegroups.com

Deedra, when you get a chance, can you send us email to that above address and we'll get you added to the group?

Thank You,

Daniel Serna Valencia

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Hello,

It's been a little over a year since I first posted about starting the Valladolid (Morelia, Michoacan) dispensa project. I'm very happy to report that we've just indexed our 100th film!

I wanted to publicly thank all the volunteers that have made this possible so quickly! We have a long way to go, but, we've made good progress and for that I thank each and every one of you who have helped!

For everyone else, if you haven't checked out the website, please check it out. While your focus might be on the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes... You'll be surprised to find out that some of our/your ancestors from Jalisco, etc had roots in the Obispado de Michoacan, i.e. modern-day Michoacan, Colima, San Luis Potosi, Guanajuato, and Guerrero. Please come on over and as we have a nice selection of indexed films from the 1600s, 1700s, and 1800s.

Here's the link to website:

https://www.valladoliddispensas.com

Thank You,

Daniel Serna Valencia

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We all appreciate it, Daniel. This will help everyone with their research.
Chris 

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On Tuesday, June 26, 2018, 5:38 PM, themexican@outlook.com wrote:

It is a labor of love and I owe a huge part to our volunteers who have done
an amazing job of helping out. They made it possible to get to 100 indexed
films so quickly! Daniel Serna Valencia

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Lo haremos primo!

Daniel

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> Count on me! I also shared your project on my Facebook page "Historias y
> Genealogía" and invited my subscribers to join in. Good luck, Enrique Agraz
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Count me in, I have tried to get a group together on to finish extracting the Guadalajara and Valladolid dispensas and other pertinent records.

Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino

Where can you find Real Audencia of Guadalajara Documents?

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The Real Audencia Government of Guadalajara, Nueva Espana (Jalisco, Mexico) had political jurisdiccion over several provinces during Nueva Espana days.

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Published by Enrique Gariba… – Thu, 2018-06-14 22:25 | Permalink

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Other part of Real Audiencia archives is in Archivo Municipal de Guadalajara
Adress: Calle Esmeralda 2486, Col. Victoria, Guadalajara, Jal.

I do not why but the archive was separetly in tw parts, Juan Jose Arreola Library and Archivo Municipal de Guadalajara

Caste category

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Hola primos,

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Published by katy_brecht_quesada – Mon, 2018-05-07 18:57 | Permalink

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the term castizo was rarely used in my experience. usually those 1/4 native and 3/4 spanish were called espanol

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Hi,

This last one comment is correct a Castizo is the child of a Spanish with a Mestizo (1/2 native and 1/2 Spanish) so the child would be as Katy said 1/4 native and 3/4 Spanish. and if a Castizo married a Spanish their child would be Spanish.
As Katy said normally Castizos were passed as Spanish anyway. Thats why you don’t see very often the word Castizo in the church records.

The Castas were very important back then, and if you read carefully the baptize and marriage records especially before 1820’s, you can read words like: Indio, Coyote, Mulato, Lobo, Mestizo, Español. All this words are Castas, they represent the mix mainly between Spanish, Natives and Africans. They were many more Castas, but I think this ones are the most common ones to be found in the church records.
Sometimes the priest wasn’t sure to which Casta someone may belong to. That was probably because he or she was already very mixed, so a priest may use one Casta for this person, and in time the same priest may select different Casta for the same person in a different event, or another priest may select a different Casta for this person.
Mulato is a mix between Spanish and African, but some times a child of a Castizo with a Mulato could be passing as Castizo, Mulato, Mestizo or Spanish.
Not long ago I came across some records where the mother was Spanish, the father Mulato, therefore their children Casta should be Morisco, instead of Morsico. one child was baptize and recorded as Mulato, four children were baptize and recorded as Mestizo, and other three were baptize without recording their Casta, probably because they were visibly white, I founded their later marriage records and their Casta were recorded as Spanish.
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Regards,

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the term morisco was rarely used also. usually they were written down as being mulato or espanol.

note:occasionaly, someone with less than 3/4 spanish/espanol , would be written down as being espanol depending on legitimacy, social class they were born into, time period, the race/ethnicity of the godparents, and even possibly depending on the scribe who wrote down the record.

Published by jrefugioghermosillo – Tue, 2018-05-01 07:25 | Permalink

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Hi Andelmo,

I think, during that era, they would sometimes use "casta/s" to mean any of the "lower" castes, like Mestizo, Mulato, Morisco, etc. Though, I'm not sure!

Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

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I agree with Manny. There are other cases such as this one. It seems that casta was often the default category used by record keepers for individuals of seemingly mixed but undetermined ancestry.

My Heritage

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Greetings to all,
Has anyone any experience with My Heritage?
I'd like to know if a membership is a worthwhile
thing to do towards furthering research in Mexico
and Spain.
Thanks so much,

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Published by maven200 – Fri, 2018-06-01 20:18 | Permalink

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Hello,
I have my heritage and ancestry. Honestly, I use family search most. While my heritage seems to aggregate lots of info from many sources, the search function is really bad, yielding irrelevant info. It’s like searching for a needle in a haystack. I find it frustrating. The MH tree builder is nice though.
Ancestry helps sometimes through the hint feature but usually it’s docs i´ve seen. It’s helpful to surface docs on lines you are not actively working on. The search function also not the best so the hints can sometimes be totally off.

All in all, family search is really the only one I couldn’t do without.
Maven

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Hi There,I agree. I've always used family search, but just wondered if my heritage had something to offer--worth paying for.  I was kind of interested because theysay they offer Smart Matches that find connections between  your and other users family trees,Consistency checker that scans family tree and finds inconsistencies and mistakes in your data.   I'm always looking for help with brick walls or just plain serendipity!Thanks so much for your response on your experience.Alice BB

On Friday, June 1, 2018 10:18 PM, "pavendano@earthlink.net" wrote:

Hello, I have my heritage and ancestry. Honestly, I use family search most.
While my heritage seems to aggregate lots of info from many sources, the
search function is really bad, yielding irrelevant info. It’s like
searching for a needle in a haystack. I find it frustrating. The MH tree
builder is nice though. Ancestry helps sometimes through the hint feature but
usually it’s docs i´ve seen. It’s helpful to surface docs on lines you
are not actively working on. The search function also not the best so the
hints can sometimes be totally off. All in all, family search is really the
only one I couldn’t do without. Maven

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When I need to search for something on Ancestry.com I just go to my local public library and use their institutional account. It has a feature that allows one to send any record to one's email for later access.

Published by dcalonso – Wed, 2018-05-30 00:30 | Permalink

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I'm not sure it would be worthwhile. I have ancestry.com and it's helped me a little but most of it I could've just done with familysearch. I would say probably not worthwhile.

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Hello,
I was aware of the Ancestry situation, but I was hoping that since FamilytreeDNA
partners with My Heritage, it might be different. I guess I'm always hoping of
finding help to break through the brick walls.
Thanks so much.
ABB

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Alice

you should just tell us who you're stuck on and maybe we could help

Research Digest, Vol 149, Issue 1

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I have this couple, except the husband I have is Pablo Ortiz. Two children: Ana Ortiz and Phelipe Ortiz. No parents.

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Hi Deedra,
That is the same couple he’s looking for. Pedro Ortiz and Catalina Ramirez had Ana Ortiz that married Bernabe Ruiz de Esparza and Felipe Ortiz that married Josefa de Avila. I believe that Pablo is basically a typo.
Chris

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I have this couple, except the husband I have is Pablo Ortiz.  Two children:  Ana Ortiz and Phelipe Ortiz.  No parents.  The information I have is from Matrimonial record of their daughter to son of Lope Ruiz de Esparsa.  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11824-51650-25?cc=1410092&…

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I?m wondering if someone is familiar with the couple Pedro Ortiz and
Catalina Ramirez, they would?ve been born towards the end of the 1500s or
early 1600s in Aguascalientes probly. Does anyone know anything about them
or who their parents are?
--
Danny C. Alonso

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Pedro Ortiz and Catalina Ramirez

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,

I’m wondering if someone is familiar with the couple Pedro Ortiz and
Catalina Ramirez, they would’ve been born towards the end of the 1500s or
early 1600s in Aguascalien

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Published by jrefugioghermosillo – Fri, 2018-06-01 10:18 | Permalink

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Hi Danny,

I don’t know Pedro Ortiz and Catalina Ramirez’s origins, but they baptized Ana on 2 Jul 1623, in San Matias, Pinos, Zac. Her padrino was Melchor de Espinosa. Ana is likely the same who married Bernabe Ruiz de Esparza, 11 May 1643, in Ags.

Good luck!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

Libros De La Nueva Espana

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I had the idea that there were a number of books during the colonial days of Mexico.

So I did a search in the Pars website archive for "libros"

http://www.archivesportaleurope.net/web/guest

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Daily Life in Colonial Mexico: The Journey of Friar Ilarione da Bergamo, 1761-1768

The majority of the documents I use are basic sacramental records, and unfortunately they contain very little information about our ancestors’ daily lives in the colonial era. So, I forgot how, but one day I came across Friar Ilarione’s book and wound up reading it twice because it helped me imagine and picture what life was like back then. It helped that his life’s story is somewhat interesting too. I recommend it.

Published by Marcelina Macias – Tue, 2018-05-29 15:10 | Permalink

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http://tlanestli.blogspot.com/2011/10/primeros-impresores-en-mexico-sig…

En ésta liga se puede leer cuáles fueron los primeros libros que se imprimieron en la Nueva España.

Por otro lado, para saber más sobre la vida privada puede leerse la Sumaria Relación sobre las cosas de la Nueva España de Baltasar Dorantes de Carranza. Hay un libro de John Super sobre la vida en el México colonial.

Saludos

Marcelina

Where were Esclavos Sold in Nueva Galicia and are there any archives?

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I am curious if anyone knows where esclavos were sold in the Nueva Galicia area such as Zacatecas, Jalisco, Aguasclientes.

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Published by Marcelina Macias – Tue, 2018-05-29 14:57 | Permalink

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Hola Antonio:

Te recomiendo que visites el sitio web Historias y recuerdos de Encarnación de Díaz, en donde hay un capítulo denominado "Esclavos o libres". El autor hace un recuento sobre la esclavitud y señala algunos libros de historiadores que han investigado sobre la esclavitud.

Se sabe que la familia Lomelin que vivía en Mexticacán tenían licencia para importar y vender esclavos. Otro lugar en donde hubo gran cantidad de esclavos fue en Ciénega de Mata.

Hace poco estaba haciendo la genealogía de un tío político y encontré varios esclavos entre sus ancestros, unos del rancho Paso de Cuarenta de la familia Muñoz de Xeres y otros de "Las negritas" cerca de el Sáuz de los Macías, actualmente, Encarnación de Díaz.

Saludos

Marcelina

Published by gpf13 – Sat, 2018-05-26 21:02 | Permalink

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There are documents concerning slaves, such as documents about sale, in the Aguascalientes government archives.

Several years ago there was discussion of the Aguascalientes archives here at NR, for example

The login for the Aguascalientes archives is at
http://sigue.aguascalientes.gob.mx/AXWeb/Login.aspx?IgnoreNTAutoLogin=T…

Please see the previous postings of Miguel Beltran Romo of March 2, 2011, and my post of "AHEA: Wildcard searches" on March 16th on how do do a search.

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29 years ago I found a bill of sale to one of my wife’s ancestors with the surname Casillas. The sale was made in Jalisco.

R.A.Ricci

Drawing Cactus 1620 What is happening?

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Hi,

I don't understand what they are doing to the cactus here and there is a drawing on the last page:

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/18412

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Published by Marcelina Macias – Tue, 2018-05-29 14:38 | Permalink

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Hola a todos:

La grana cochinilla fue un parásito que crece en las plantas de nopal y en otras plantas, se muele para extraer una tintura roja que era utilizada para teñir telas, especialmente la seda y hacer los trajes de los obispos y cardenales. La nobleza también demandaba estas telas por eso fue una actividad muy apreciada.

Saludos

Marcelina

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