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Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 20:26:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: MIMILOZANO@aol.com
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Click here: Somos Primos: Dedicated to Hispanic Heritage and Diversity
Issues
http://www.somosprimos.com/sp2006/spjul06/spjul06.htm

Hi all . . . Hope you all enjoy a safe July 4th celebration.

If you happen to watch the Washington, D.C. parade July 4th, be sure and
look for the float of the Texas Connection to the American Revolution.
Jack Cowan and the TCARA members from Texas are being joined by Joseph
Puentes from North Carolina who will be pulling the float and
reenactors, Micheal Lozano and Hector Diaz from Maryland.

Thank all of you for the wonderful materials, fresh research, and
forwarded current events. If anyone has submitted an article for Somos
Primos and it has not been published within two months of when it was
sent, please send it along again. Sometimes in sorting mail and
submissions, articles get lost in the shuffle.

Thank you for your encouraging letters . . . you are all making a
difference in the general perception of who we are . . . we are more
than a stereotype, and that is coming out . . . little by little.

God bless, Mimi

UNITED STATES
NATIONAL ISSUES
Hispanic One Hundred hosts John McCain
Bishop Jaime Soto Invocation
Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants & being an American in 1907
Mission of the Society of Hispanic Historical and Ancestral Research
Sons Live Out a Dream, Passing the Torch to a New Generation
Study of Latino Professionals Shatters Stereotypes
Newsweeklies Rarely Cover Hispanics
A Look at History - Repatriation / Bickering Delays Illegal-Immigrant Deal
Educator brings attention to historic period and its affect on her family
ACTION ITEM:
Commission to investigate removal of Mex-Americans during depression
A message from an appalled observer at World War II Memorial in D.C.
EDUCATION
Ana Maria Armano, a month short of 80th birthday receives B.A.
Course helps Latinos understand kids' schools
Website for Diversity Education
French in Maine
Most states fall short in teaching the culture of Latin America and Mexico
A Guide to the Tool Kit for Hispanic Families
The 7 Secrets of Big Picture Thinkers by Nancy Marmolejo
CULTURE
Race and Latino!
Tejano Texian
Our Lives are better left to chance
In Search of Fatherhood
Latino Rhythms and their influence on Classic Soul Music:
BUSINESS
Would you believe? . . Meet the Fakers
Multi-ethnic business a piece of cake

ANTI-SPANISH LEGENDS
Comments about Racism against Latinos, Ladera Ranch location
Raza isn't racist, changed perspective on the Latino student club MEChA

MILITARY AND LAW ENFORCEMENT HEROES
It is the VETERAN,who gives us freedom
Link to Muslim cartoons that caused riots and deaths
Special DEA agent, Enrique "Kiko" S. Camarena
Medal of Honor Winner Jose M. Lopez Dies at 94
Staff Sergeant Roy Benavidez
Celebrating Hispanic Heritage Month websites
Red Skelton's Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag
Pray for our Military. . . They believe in Prayer
Lakota Tribe in North Dakota Funeral Activities and Observance
Hero Military Search

CUENTOS
Book: Scarred by Scandal, Redeemed by Love, Gloria DeLaTorre-Wycoff
Boxed Memories, Richard Sanchez
The Day Roosevelt Died, Summer l944, Frank Sifuentes
Who is Frank Sifuentes?
Nuestra Familia Unida Podcasts
Traveling to Ancestral Locations in Search of True History by Mary Allen
Inspirational Stories
Micheal Lozano Embarks on a Journey of Self-Discovery, Part 3

SURNAME: De La Garza

SPANISH SONS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION
US researchers find 18th-century British warships
Spanish Covert Aid
Spanish Patriots of Chile
Patriots of Cuba, Query on Patriots of Cuba
Patriots and Near-Patriots of Chile by Granville W. Hough, Ph.D.

ORANGE COUNTY, CA
July 22: Genetics, DNA and Genealogy by Norma Keating, R.N.
Comments on DNA from Yolanda Ochoa
Kaiser to request DNA samples from 2 Million adults
DNA diet plan, Kit tests for genetic cues to aid in healthier eating
Scientists Find A DNA Change That Accounts For White Skin
Welsh and Irish Celts genetic blood-brothers of Basques
DNA forces El Salvador to face past
DNA reunites Salvadoran families
Canales, Garcia and Salinas Family Trees
Santa Ana planners to present downtown recommendations
July 20: First shovel celebration for Grijalva Gymnsium/Sports Center
July 20: Hispanic Business World Inaugural Reception
National Archive Center may go to Great Park
The LATINO OC 100 2005-2006 Yearbook being Produced

LOS ANGELES, CA
July 4th: Descendants of Los Pobladores at Olvera St.
July 7-11: National Council of La Raza National Conference, Premier of
East L.A. Marine, the Untold True Story of Guy Gabaldon
July 7-9: Cesar E. Chavez y Bernardo de Galvez
July 10th: Book signing by Dr. Maggie Rivas-Rodriguez
New Book: Images of American Series: Los Angeles's Olvera Street
Database of all the missions and Los Angeles Plaza Church
Naturalization Index Published for Los Angeles County
Reginaldo Francisco del Valle: UCLA's Forgotten Forefather
Health Net is open for business in East Los Angeles!
July 27th: Where the Leaders Meet National Latina Business Women Assn
August 4: Promoting a Positive Image
Nov 10-12: 2nd Annual Los Angeles International Tamale Festival
My Hot Tamale website

CALIFORNIA
Discovering the Painted Caves of Baja California
The Bear Flag Revolt
California Stories, a New Approach to Strengthening Communities
Sources at your fingertips. . .
Historical LA Times Newspaper database
Plan would open Prop. 40 funds to missions
Gringo Gazette North - Northern Baja's English Voice
Our Talmantes-Farias Picnic day
California Roll Call
Mission San Miguel Arcangel Landmark Plaque

NORTHWESTERN UNITED STATES
Save the date: October 14
Family History Library 9TH Annual Hispanic Family History Conference
Co-hosts, BYU Center for Family History & Genealogy and Legado Latino

SOUTHWESTERN UNITED STATES
The Presidio Line by Michael R. Hardwick
Resources of New Mexico State University
Index to Manifests of Permanent & Statistical Alien Arrivals at El Paso, TX

BLACK
African Roots Stretch Deep into Mexico
Mexico as a haven for fugitive slaves

INDIGENOUS
Indigenous Identity in the Mexican Census:
Peruvian land
Urban Indians in Ciudad Juarez
Learn an Indigenous Language
MANA hosts W.O.M.B. Grandmothers Gathering.
Native American selection of Ancestry books

SEPHARDIC
Albert Gallegos: Remnants of Crypto-Jews Among Hispanic Americans
Sephardic Research Website

TEXAS
August 31-September 3 : 27th Hispanic Genealogy & History Conference
Bexar Genealogy
July 8, Meeting, Texas declares September as Tejano Heritage Month
Dedication of TX State Historical Marker of Don Rafael Antonio Manchola
July 11th: Austin's 1st Latino Book & Art Festival
Pulido123.com
October 13-15: Elizondo Reunion
Archaeologists unearth bones at French settlement in Texas
Treaties signed by the Republic of Texas
October 29: Juan Nepomuceno Seguin Event
Book: Inherit the Dust from the Four Winds of Revilla
South Texas Archives
Lozano Building Holds Many Memories and Stories
Book, Chapter 10: Continuous Presence of Italians and Spaniards in Texas
as Early as 1520, Including the Participation and Consequence of Texas
and Louisiana in the American Revolution by Alex Loya
Wills &/or Testaments from Tamaulipas and Nuevo Leon, Mexico Inventory
Escudos de Cantabria por María del Carmen González Echegaray

EAST OF THE MISSISSIPPI
Hector Flores: Latino leader outgrew modest goals
Immigration cultivation: Farmers gain insight on new work force
Man brings back the music of Clifton Chenier
Country Roads Online: Natchez to New Orleans

EAST COAST
Golfo de Mexico, misiones Franciscanas 1606 map
Links to comprehensive Hispanic community studies
Yale University Art Gallery
S: El Otro San Juan Del Puerto, La Florida

MEXICO
Uayma: in living color
Pinning blame on politicians
Heritage Discovery Center
Don Esteban Vázquez Godoy
Don Manuel María Ponce Cuéllar
Don Roberto Cabral del Hoyo
José Mariano Jiménez
Leon Trotsky
XXII Congreso Nacional de Historia Regional 7, 8 y 9 de diciembre
Archivos de Mexico
Obtaining print copies of vital records in Mexico
Memoirs of Antonio Menchaca and other websites
The Genealogy of Mexico by Gary Felix, Outstanding resource

CARIBBEAN/CUBA
Rob Ossian's Pirate's Cove
Recreated Fixed Regiment of Puerto Rico
Book: The Last Puerto Rican Indian

SPAIN
S: Indice Nominal de la Gaceta de Madrid. Enero de 1898
S: Good Links to Spain
S: Reconocimiento a un Hijo Ilustre: Bernardo de Gálvez
S: Two Heráldica websites

INTERNATIONAL
Dutch Portuguese Colonial History
S: Communication concerning El Savador Castes

HISTORY
American Civil War Retold In Pictures
Did George Washington Know how to Tango?
A Pirate's tale from Jean Baptiste's Brass Cannon
Andersonville Civil War Prisoner of War website
Historical Documents website

FAMILY HISTORY
Marriage Among Cousins: A Gold Mine for Genealogists
Public Invited to Give Feedback on new LDS.org
BYU'S Personal Ancestral File Tutorial
Buying and Disposing of old books
New Free Genealogy Website (like myspace)
Genealogy Blogging - A Brief Guide
Check out Recipe Software
Genealogy Library Center accepts donations of Family History stuff
Changing font size to view internet and emails easily
New Google Search Technologies Make Information Easier to Discover,
Organize and Share

ARCHAEOLOGY
Dental work in Mexico dates back 4,500 years
Peruvian Woman of A.D. 450 Seems to Have Had Two Careers
Archeologists to Search for Lost Mission

MISCELLANEOUS
Life in the 1500'S

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_%C3%81vila_Camacho

The above link is for a brief bio on the winner of Mexico's 1940 election along with a history of his administration.

I Googled "List of Mexican Presidents" and when on the site, I just clicked on the name of the president for the years 1940-1946. I am going to click on each name after his administration to get the story of what happened in Mexico politically since then.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----

Since we are celebrating our American democracy today and in view of the recent Mexican presidential election, I found the following article very interesting as I am one not familiar with Mexican history. The outgoing Presidente Fox seems to be part of an ongoing disappointing struggle to bring true democracy to the land of our forebears. I found this article in an old magazine that was part of my husband's stepfather's effects left in an old trunk. Maybe someone in the group can tell us briefly what has occurred since this article was written.

Emilie - Port Orchard, WA --

>From Newsweek, July 8, 1940

Mexican Tension - Officials Seize Guns in Move to Balk Election-Day Fights

On July 7, 1911, Francisco Madero, Mexico's first "democratic" President after the 35-year dictatorship of Porfirio Diaz, entered Mexico City while the capital resounded with the cries: "Viva Madero! Viva la democracia!" In the midst of the tumult, two white-garbed peons were discussing the new order of things:
"And what, amigo," one asked, "is this democracia that we are all cheering for?"
"Why," answered the other, pointing to Madero's wife, "it must be that Senora who accompanies him."

Land and Water

In the period following Madero's taking office Mexico learned about democracy at a hard school. Madero himself was shot two years later. His successor, the dictator Victoriano Huerta, was ousted after a bloody revolt. Then followed Venustiano Carranza, the vacillating "constitutionalist," who in the end was put to flight by Gen. Alvaro Obregon and treacherously killed by an aide. The north was plundered by Pancho Villa. In the south Emiliano Zapata and his agrarian army, under the slogan "Land and Water," burned the manor houses, hanged the landlords, and redistributed the land among the peons.
By 1920, when Obregon emerged from the fracas and began to restore peace, it had become proverbial in Mexico that Presidents were only changed by revolutions or miracles. He and his political henchman, Plutarco E. Calles, went a small way to change this. They set up a government party machine which would feed out "official" candidates at the proper intervals for the people to elect. Thus Obregon was succeeded by Calles and Calles by a series of puppets. The last of them, Lazaro Cardenas, was elected in 1934. This time the supposed puppet proved the machine could run in reverse, and Calles suddenly found himself exiled to the United States.
Cardenas then went to work to restore and further the promised reforms of the revolution which had grown moldy under Calles. Remembering Zapata's plea for "land and water," he split the big haciendas into irrigated communal farm projects. Labor gained enormous new power and with agrariansim was permitted representation in the expanded government party---now called the PRM (Party of the Mexican Revolution). In March 1938, the oil properties controlled by British and American interests were taken over by the government. And this year, as July 7, election day, approached, Cardenas made repeated promises that the election would be free and democratic. In preparation for that innovation, police for almost the first time in Mexican history have taken arms away from those not authorized to have them.
Cardenas is barred by tradition from running for a second six-year term. His close personal friend, Rafael Sanchez Tapia, is running for the office but has few followers. Cardenas' chosen candidate is former War Minister Manuel Avila Camacho, a genial, sporty cavalryman. Generally regarded as more conservative than Cardenas, Avila Camacho nevertheless has publicly backed all his President's policies and if elected would probably be closely tied down by Cardenas and his advisers.

Candidates

Far more spectacular is the conservative opponent Juan Andreu Almazan, a former soldier and military governor and a wealthy businessman. Almazan outspokenly citicizes the Cardenas administration as wasteful, impractical, and bureaucratic. In particular he deplores what he calls its "anti-United States" attitude. (This latter charge has been offset lately by pro-American declaration of the present government.) He plans, if elected, to stimulate "private initiative" by turning the communal farms into small private holdings.
Almazan draws most of his support from the Catholic upper and middle classes, although he has some backing in the army and in the official party and also from dissident labor and agrarian groups. In the aggregate he has garnered enough votes to worry the government lest he win---or possible worse, lose by a narrow margin which might open the way for a real or staged revolution.

I had mentioned to the group that my local FHC here in Port Orchard, WA would be closed at the end of May, and I was afraid that the 35 films I have on loan would be sent back to Salt Lake, but since then everything that was in the local FHC was moved to the nearby Bremerton, WA FHC lock, stock and barrel. Myself and a few other regular patrons have been helping the director of the new combined library relocate both Port Orchard and Bremerton libraries to their new location on the third floor of the building where the former Bremerton FHC was located. We moved everything from the basement there to the third floor, and I just recently helped to combine the permanent loan films from both libraries and was pleased to see all my films there. We were pleased to see that we now have many more films, etc. available to us although since I am the only Hispanic doing research, the only films from Mexico are mine.

We have been feverishly working (in an unusual for this area heat wave) to set everything up--sorting films, fische, books and other materials, etc. I have been getting home the past three days hot, sweaty, dirty and pooped. I even volunteered to help finish up on Monday and Tuesday the 4th (I have no family obligations for the holiday) so that we can be back in business on Wednesday the 5th. I also thought that I would have much farther to travel, but it only takes me about seven more minutes to get to the Bremerton FHC than it did to get to my former FHC.

Happy day when I can get back to my research.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

Here is my maternal lineage that I discussed in my post “No Tengo Verguenza.” I’ve posted an asterik * by my great grandfather, the one who his grandchildren believed had been born in Spain. As you can see, he and all of his ancestors were born in Chihuahua.

I had hoped to solve a family riddle. The Rodriguez’s all share a distinct look, and personality. They are all very attractive, and warm, personable people. They seem to be born charismatic!

Now that I know grandpa was in all likelihood mestizo, the puzzle is even more complicated. How is it possible that the men in the family always married Indian, or mesitzo wives, yet the children are always born white? There must have been some powerful genes coming from somewhere that have survived against the odds. I will probably never find the answer I seek.

I’ve listed the same descent two ways. Firstly, from the Rodriguez’ point of view. I am a Rodriguez on my maternal side from a genealogical point of view. But genetically, I am just as much a Montoya. So both heritages are presented from past to present, from top down, in a direct line.

FIRST MATERNAL LINEAGE:

Ygnacio Rodriguez, who was born about 1780, married Maria del Rayo Caballero, who was born around 1782, and died on January 30, 1842 in Huejotitan, Chihuahua.

Their son, Ygnacio Rodrigues, who was born in 1803 and died on June 17, 1838 in Huejotitan, Chihuahua, married Soledad Villalobos, who was born in 1807.

Their son, Rafael Rodrigues, who was born in the 1830s, married Mariana Montoya, who was also born in the mid, to late 1830s.

*Their son, Jose Estevan Vidal Rodrigues Montoya, who was born on March 17, 1867 in Hidalgo del Parral, Chihuahua, married Maria Leonor Anizeta Contreras, who was born on April 11, 1872 in Santa Barbara, Chihuahua.

Their son, Nicolas Rodrigues Contreras, who was born around 1890, married Maria de las Nieves Porras, who was born on May 21, 1894.

Their daughter, Alicia Rodrigues Porras, who was born on July 10, 1918, is my mamacita querida, married my dad, Ernest Alderete Ramirez, who was born on February 28, 1923.

SECOND MATERNAL LINEAGE:

Salvador Montoya, who was born in Huejotitan, Chihuahua in the 1760s, and died before 1813, married Maria del Carmen Gutierrez, who died on December 14, 1836 in Huejotitan.

Their son, Ricardo Montoya, who was born in the 1790s in Huejotitan, married Maria Aniceta Juliana Olguin, who was born on April 16, 1799 in Huejotitan, Chihuahua.

Their daughter, Mariana Montoya, who was born in the 1830s in Huejotitan, married Rafael Rodrigues, who was also born at the same time and place.

*Their son, Jose Estevan Vidal Rodrigues Montoya, who was born on March 17, 1867, married Maria Anizeta Leonor Contreras, who was born on April 11, 1872.

Hello!

I am interested in the haciendas in Zacatecas, Particularly in hacienda del
Mezquite,(Fresnillo) and Hacienda de San Juan de Ahorcados, jurisdiccion de
Mazapil. I would appreciate any historical information such as living
conditions, life in general, social divisions, etc. you could share.

I want find out why my ancestors decided to bring colonos to Coahuila and
Durango from that area back in the heyday of both haciendas. Also anything
on Ssanta Maria de las Nieves and la Gruñidora (also in Nieves).

Elvira

That's about what I anticipated. I consider those very small numbers of European soldiers. There for a very brief period. Probably gringo tourists have had a greater genetic impact on Mexico.

Way more Mexicans volunteered for the left leaning Republicans during the Spanish Civil War against conserative Generalisimo Francisco Franco and his fascist Falange Party.

Did you know there are still Mexicans serving in the Spanish Foreigh Legion? I visited their museum in Ceuta, the tiny Spanish enclave on the north coast of Morocco, directly adjacent to Gibraltar and Algeciras.

I believe Mexicans are the largest single nationality to serve in the Spanish Foreign Legion. They saw duty in Ceuta, Melilla, Spanish Sahara, Spanish Equatorial Guinea... Quite a few died in the line of duty.

So. there has been a two way transatlantic exchange of genes between Iberia and the Amricas for five hundred years. Someone named it the Columbian exchange.

Yet, I think we would be hard pressed to isolate a visible Mexican genetic presence in Spain.

Again, how "sweet it is," another linking with "familia." Though distant in "kinship," it's still a linking through common ancestors, and to quote Deena, "about two dozen ways."

Thank you Deena, Charles and NuestrosRanchos.,
Pat and Tino Corbera

I should be ashamed to say so after the escandalo I made about misspellings. But I have no shame. No tengo verguenza. Nunca tuve.

I’ve been researching my maternal side for many years with little luck.
I now know why. My great grandfather Jose Estevan Rodriguez Montoya who died a few years before I was born told his many grandchildren he was born in the mid 1870s in Spain. He told them he came to Chihuahua during the gold rush of the late 19th century. He claimed Seville was his birthplace, and that he still had a brother living just outside the U.S. naval base at Cadiz.

So, for years I looked for a birth record for him in Spain. And for a record of his trans-Atlantic crossing.
Last year I found his actual birth record. He lied! He was born in Hidalgo del Parral in 1867. When I waved his birth document at the last Rodriguez family reunion every jaw in the room dropped!

They asked me why would he lie about his age. They assumed only women lied about their age.I suggested it was because he never wanted his wife to know how much older he was than her.

Today, the other shoe dropped. Not only wasn’t he himself Spanish, neither was his father, grandfather, nor great grandfather! They were all born in Chihuahua. It was a complete fabrication. A family myth. One we accepted without question.

Grandpa Jose was snow-white, all his children were white con ojos de color, ditto his grandchildren, great grandchildren and so forth. So it was plausible that he was European.

I could not find the records before because Rodrigues had been mis-spelt Rodriges!

So the lesson is don’t accept family lore on face value. Examine, corroborate, investigate, explore…

And things are not always what they appear to be. Grandpa looked rubio, guerro, blanco, gabacho, for all the world to see. But he was really mezclado, a mestizo, a typical Mexican. Un hijo de La Malinche. A son of Dona Marina.

And sometimes misspellings are just that!

Have a great 4th of July weekend.

A wonderful way to honor family members that served in WWII is to place their name at the WWII War Memorial in Washington D.C. The website address is http://www.wwiimemorial.com...
Pat

Jose Aguayo has probably been there before...sounds like it.

Joseph, perhaps things have now changed from the time I went. I hope my
research takes me to Spain next year also....I am always ready to travel.

Mickey

About the mistaken listings in the "Caribbean" -

Some years ago while researching the CABI & CADI (California Birth/Death Records) I kept finding very Spanish surnames of people supposedly born or dying in Maine, including one of my relatives that I knew had never left California. Then I realized that the old abbreviation for Mexico was ME, and when the records were switched over to a supposedly more modern system, all these Mexico-born Californians "became" residents of Maine!

About the same time I was trying to research the military record of one of my cousins who was MIA in Korea. I knew he was Puerto Rican, born in Hawaii, but couldn't find him anywhere. It turns out the US govt had mislisted all the vets from Puerto Rico as being Southeast Asian, and besides, had listed them all under their maternal surnames instead of their paternal surnames. This error is in the process of being corrected.

Gloria D.

Enrique Legaspi Frias' GEDCOM has been moved from the Files section into the GEDCOM database so it is now viewable and searchable directly from the site with no need to download it. The file includes hundreds of names from Nochistlan, Mexticacan, Teocaltiche, El Tuiche, Toyahua, La Estancia.

With this addition, our database is up to nearly 30,000 names. Anyone else who is interested in putting their genealogy into this searchable database (available only to members), please contact me.

If anyone is interested in using the database as their genealogy software, you are more than welcome to do so. I use it as my primary database, allowing me to enter and change data from the Family History Center or National Archives or wherever it is I am working. In addition, I recenly had a hard drive crash and lost everything on my laptop. Luckily my most recent genealogy data was not there, but on a web server somewhere in California. I back up my GEDCOM to a PAF file and a CD every month or so from the server, but the online database is nevertheless my main tool. Check it out.

I consider other spellings as alternate spellings rather than mis spelllings.

It might be offensive to some people to say their ancestors mis spelled their own names.

For example, it was actually correct to spell Felipe with a "Ph" rather than an "F," before around 1700. That's why the archipelago off the coast of Asia is called the Philippines, but the people are called Filipinos in Spanish and English (and Pilipino in Tagalog, the language of the islands which has no F or Ph sound).

In reality there were many ways of spellings names until the Spanish language was standardized with the change of dynasties in Madrid, from the Hapsburgs who died out, and the Bourbons, who initiated widespread changes throughout the empire.

It was the Bourbons who brought about the metric system by scientific research in what is now Ecuador.

Gradually the old measurements, and coins such as the ocho reales, and two bits, were replaced by decimal based denominations such as the centavo and peso.

Yoli,

I found your great grandparents marriage record today at my local family history center as this film is on permanent loan. LDS Film # 0226733. They were married 3 May 1871. Rosalio Jauregui, soltero de veinte un años, 21 years of age, originario y vecino de La Estancia, meaning Rosalio was from La Estancia, legitimate son of Salvador Jauregui who was living and Carina or Corina Vidaurre who was deceased. Pomposa Gonzales, celibate 16 years of age, also from La Estancia, legitimate daughter of Nicomedes Gonzales & Anastacia Saldivar both of whom were still living. Their padrinos were Leon Vidaurre and Francisca Jauregui. Witnesses were Antonio Ballin & Sixto Duran.

Now you know who your great great grandparents are and the more documents you find the more your will know. Maybe you can begin by ordering this film number from your local family history center at the Mormon Church.

Good luck in your continued search,
Alicia

If you haven't done so already you need to go back in and properly fill
out your profile. Give the details that the profile asks for. As an
example if the profile asks for your "Area of Research Interest" don't
just put Jalisco or Zacatecas, but do put in the Ranchos and other
locations within our target areas. If you have listed only one surname
put in the other surnames if you have others in our area. . Also if your
home town is not listed please put it in (this info is private to the
moderators only) as it gives us an idea of where everyone is and helps
me determine whether to switch folks from the English to Spanish version
of the list.

In short go back in and fill in your profile as completely as possible.

1) log in

2) "my account"

3) click on the "edit" tab

4) then proceed to click and edit on the various tabs: "Personal
Information", "Research", and/or "my Mailing Lists" [this last one if
you wanted to change from individual emails to Digest for example].

PLEASE DO THIS TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks,

joseph

If you haven't done so already you need to go back in and properly fill
out your profile. Give the details that the profile asks for. As an
example if the profile asks for your "Area of Research Interest" don't
just put Jalisco or Zacatecas, but do put in the Ranchos and other
locations within our target areas. If you have listed only one surname
put in the other surnames if you have others in our area. . Also if your
home town is not listed please put it in (this info is private to the
moderators only) as it gives us an idea of where everyone is and helps
me determine whether to switch folks from the English to Spanish version
of the list.

In short go back in and fill in your profile as completely as possible.

1) log in

2) "my account"

3) click on the "edit" tab

4) then proceed to click and edit on the various tabs: "Personal
Information", "Research", and/or "my Mailing Lists" [this last one if
you wanted to change from individual emails to Digest for example].

PLEASE DO THIS TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks,

joseph

If you haven't done so already you need to go back in and properly fill
out your profile. Give the details that the profile asks for. As an
example if the profile asks for your "Area of Research Interest" don't
just put Jalisco or Zacatecas, but do put in the Ranchos and other
locations within our target areas. If you have listed only one surname
put in the other surnames if you have others in our area. . Also if your
home town is not listed please put it in (this info is private to the
moderators only) as it gives us an idea of where everyone is and helps
me determine whether to switch folks from the English to Spanish version
of the list.

In short go back in and fill in your profile as completely as possible.

1) log in

2) "my account"

3) click on the "edit" tab

4) then proceed to click and edit on the various tabs: "Personal
Information", "Research", and/or "my Mailing Lists" [this last one if
you wanted to change from individual emails to Digest for example].

PLEASE DO THIS TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks,

joseph

There have been many new podcasts made available to the
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com podcast project. A great collection of
Oral History stories by Frank Moreno Sifuentes including his translation
of the Pablo Neruda poem, "It Remains Prohibited." But two new poets
(Jim Moreno and Diego Davalos) to the podcast have by far taken center
stage with their poetry. Have a listen to Jim Moreno's "Lowrider" poem
and Diego Davalos' "Reclamando La Linea" and "Cesar."

http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com/podcast/poetry.html

There is still much work to be done in getting the word out to the
community about the Nuestra Familia Unida podcast project. Please
consider joining the planning committee for the project at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/podhi/ Any questions or comments can be
directed to Joseph Puentes: NFU@JosephPuentes.com

yes i am having a little trouble posting , and i will be more careful. i
just need some time to figure out this site. i will be calling my aunt carmen to
try and get some information about my family. i have sent for my spouses
ggrandparent SSN via mail. they are from Serbia. my children have a colorful mix
of heritage this is why i am researching to someday pass it to them.
researching the viramontes side is a little more difficult, i just want to get it
right thanks you to everyone whos been helping me, and for the warm welcomes.
again sorry for the mistakes, i hope this one is right. jovana

Jose:

I saw the posting of your genealogy and I think you and I are probably related. I see you gave Del Real, Gonzalez and Mayorga all in your maternal ancestry going back to Atolinga. You list as your oldest maternal ancestors as:

Salbador Gonzales b. ca 1800 in Guadalajara, Jalisco?
m. Gertrudis Vayozga

However, seeing the combination of surnames, I had a suspicion and checked the towns where my Del Real, Mayorga and Gonzalez lines were in 1800 and I believe that I struck something. It looks like you have the wife's name a bit off, but otherwise it matches and makes sense given than the descendants were in the Tlaltenango and Atolinga area later on.

I am pretty certain that your Del Real lineage goes back to Juan Martin del Real who immigrated from Spain in the early 1700s and who is an ancestor of a number of us here in the Nuestros Ranchos group... He is mine in two different ways.

SALVADOR GONZALES
Marriages:
Spouse: MARIA GERTRUDIS MALLORGA
Marriage:
25 FEB 1805 Atolinga, Zacatecas, Mexico

You make a great deal of excellent points.

I've seen all the errors you've enumerated.

I heard the National Arcives in Washington D.C. were flooded today:(

my grandfather was born in jalpa. from what i was told he had a brother named ramerio viramontes. i am not sure if he was older or younger. thanks for the info on the name change i will send for a copy of his ssnumber, I don't know why i didnt think of that.

Yolanda:

Welcome to the group. It seems that you have ancestor information that goes back far enough where the resources we have available through this site and LDS will be useful. I am posting this on the research list as this is really a research-related question.

One good thing to do is to figure out what modern day municipality the "rancho" or hacienda that you are researching is in. This is necessary because records are organized this way in the LDS catalog and on this site. For example Estancia is in modern day Nochistlan, Zacatecas.

A quick search in on familysearch.com comes up with the following, which I believe is your great-grandfather. It looks like these names match your granparents. You should order the film to see who their parents were.

ROSALIO JAUREGUI
Marriages:
Spouse: PONPOSA GONZALES Family
Marriage: 03 MAY 1871 Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico
Batch: M606264 Film: 0226733

If so, these would be your grandfather's siblings:

1. JOSE MARTINIANO JAUREGUI GONZALES
Gender: Male Christening: 05 JAN 1873 Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico

2. JOSE SIMON JAURIGUI GONSALES
Gender: Male Christening: 01 MAR 1874 Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico

As far as yout other set of grandparents, the last name RAUNO does not seem to come up in the LDS databases. Are you sure you have this name correct? There are a number of Maria Ulloas married in the late 1800s in Nochistlan but none of them to anyone by a name similar to RAUNO.