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The current Mendozas Im searching for are

1.) Anna Sanchez de Mendoza

2.) Juan Becerra y Hurtado de Mendoza (He is the wife of #1)
(Juan is the father-in-law of Juan Lopez de Elisalde)

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Mendozas

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Daniel,

You still do not state the dates (and maybe even locales) of activity, and
other items that may be helpful for further research/linkages to be
developed.

Efrain
San Diego, California

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> From: mormonboy74
> To:
> Date: 5/10/2007 4:55:54 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mendozas
>
>
> The current Mendozas Im searching for are
>
> 1.) Anna Sanchez de Mendoza
>
> 2.) Juan Becerra y Hurtado de Mendoza (He is the wife of #1)
> (Juan is the father-in-law of Juan Lopez de Elisalde)
>
>

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Anna Sanchez de Mendoza and Juan Becerra y Hurtado de Mendoza
would of been born ca. 1550-1540 possibly in Mexico City. I've heard that Juan Becerra's father was a conquistador but have not found any proof nor if Juan was the grandchild of the Viceroy Antonio de Mendoza through Juan's mother Hurtado de Mendoza. I do know for a fact that these are related to the same Hurtado and Sanchez de Mendoza. There weren't many conquistadores with Mendoza correct me if Im wrong but only 3-4 were Mendozas and arrived in Mexico City. I got this from Gary Felix's website. I've contacted Gary and said all Mendozas in early 1500's Mexico come from the same lineage. Im not sure if I remember correctly that he said the patriarch of the Mendozas in the Americas was Juan Hurtado de Mendoza or Diego Hurtado de Mendoza. Since this family was involved not only in Mexico, but as well as Peru, Eqcuador, Chile, Argentina, Colombia and Panama. I guess at least one person represented the family almost everywhere.

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Ana Sanchez y Mendoza married Juan Becerra--1/21/1585--Santa Maria de Los Lagos, Nueva Galicia, Nueva Espana------also there was-Alonzo, Alvaro and Andres Becerra with the Cortes Conquistadors.
hope this helps--Paula
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Race Designations

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I wanted to thank everyone, Paula, Emilie, Robert, and Esperanza for the
tremendous help you have given me regarding this sensitive issue of race
classifications in Mexico and, as you pointed out, in America, as well. We

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Mexico's Mexican-Americans

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I lived several years in the USA and for me the racial designations used there were rather confusing.
Most of my black friends back in the USA were African, but not American; they were born and raised in Nigeria, Kenia, etc.
Same with my Asian friends in the USA, they were fom China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, not American at all.
As a Mexican, the one I foud really silly (por no decir estúpido) was Mexican-American. Here in Mexico we learn that America is one continent (not two; North and South America). So, any citizen from any country of the continent is an American (Canadians, Cubans, Brazilians, Hondureños, etc.). So, pretty much ALL Mexicans are Americans (unless you happened to be born in Europe or so, but have Mexican citizenship). So, the term Mexican-American is just redundant.
As for referring to people from the USA, I never call them American, but "citizens from the United States" or, in Spanish, "Estadounidenses", unless I'm trying to make a distinction among them and Europeans, Africans, etc. I also have heard the term "Unitarios" (Unitarians, from the UNITED States).
By the way, my favorite football team is Mexico's Club América, their logo is a ball (the kind of ball you play with your feet, as the name of the sport indicates) with a map of the American Continent. What they call football in the USA we call American Football (as opposed to the European Football of Soccer, so no problem there with the term American) and I root for the Chicago Bears, although they kind of sucked last Superbowl. Go Bears! Go Illini! ¡¡¡¡Viva América!!!!! ;P
Regards,
VN

Americans and Football

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Victoriano:

The appropriation of an entire continent's name by the United States of America was likely not coincidental... given the philosophy of manifest destiny, etc. this fit quite well. Given that it has been appropriated and generally accepted, its use in the term "Mexican-American" within the United States does not seem to strange but when deconstructed like you did, I do see how it is redundant.

As Enrique mentioned, the need to define this subgroup of Americans or Usonians, as Frank Lloyd Wright would prefer, is derivative of commitments made under the Treaty of Guadalupe and the Census Bureau's susequent attempt to count and catalog people of Mexican decent living in the United States who might be subject to these commitments.

The other terms used such as "Chicano" are very politically laden and therefore not equivalent.

By the way, neither soccer nor American football is European in the true sense unless you consider Great Britain part of the European continent. Both sports are derivative from English sports, American football from a variety of English football now referred to as rugby and "futbol soccer" from another form of English football.

Americans and Football

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Hi Arturo,
I guess the way we divide continents has more to do with geography, history and culture than with geology. I remember learning in school that Europe and Asia formed the Eaurasian continent, and if you even add Africa it was the Eurasianafrican continent. So, I do consider the British and Irish islands as part of Europe (even Iceland), and Cuba and Caribbean islands as part of America. I even learned about a whole continent made just of islands (Oceania: Australia, New Zealand, etc.).
Even not all the citizens of the USA would de truly geographically American, mainly all Hawaiians.
As for American Football, I know it is derived from Rugby and Football Soccer; however the sport the way we know it is American, it was developed at Yale University in New England (Go Bulldogs!!!), even though some people form Harvard may not agree.
Going back to racial designations, I also have issues with the term Native American as used in the USA, since it seems to me it only refers to tribes form the USA, excluding the rest of the continent. I reckon I once described myself as part White Hispanic and part Native American (I have no problem with the tem Indian) in a USA census form, and in the section of “Tribe” I just wrote “Mexican” since I don’t know from which of the many local Indian tribes I descend (chances are, from many different ones). Now thanks to DNA testing I know I’m not just part White and part American Indian, but also part Jew, part Middle Eastern-Mediterranean, and who knows what else. It is hard to describe your race when you are the product of centuries if not millennia of race mixing.
I am a citizen of Mexico, not a citizen of the USA, and I am very proud of being Mexican, and of being American, and again I think the term Mexican-American is as redundant as Kenian-Afican, Chinese-Asian or Italian-European.
I would tell all so-called Mexican-Americans, you ARE 100% AMERICAN, don’t feel excluded, don’t let them take away your American heritage, your ancestors have been in this American Continent for over 10 thousand years. All Mexicans are Americans, and you are TWICE American if you were born in the USA. By the way, I am thrice Mexican, since I was born in Mexico City and raised in the State of Mexico (before some governor changed our name from Mexican to Mexiquenses).
Just my two cents ;)
VN

Mexican-Usonians

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Victoriano:

Thank you for humoring my commentary and giving me some more food for thought.

Your last comment made me remeber one time when I was walking down the street with a friend of mine speaking Spanish and someone walking by stopped to hear us speak and then told us (I don't know if he was being sincere or trying to be sarcastic) "Welcome to America!"

My immediate reaction was to retort, "What do you mean welcome to America? Our ancestors have been here for 30,000 years... long before your European ancestors came to this continent." I don't know what came over me, but the man was a bit shocked and embarrased and then I felt bad about having reacted that way.

I think you might actually be four-times over Mexican if you are indeed descendant of the Mexica tribe... 1. Mexica-Mexican, 2. Chilango-Mexican, 3. Mexiquense-Mexican and 4. Mexican-Mexican.

Mexico's Mexican-Americans

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not to confuse the issue or to kick a dead horse . . . pelotas in Europe (futball) did not bounce until they added bladders made with Mexican ulli (rubber) . . .many people of the time were so facinated with the added movement as compared to their hides stuffed with annimal hair that the king had to put a moritrium in place so that the townspeople would go back to work . .

victorianonavarro wrote:
I lived several years in the USA and for me the racial designations used there were rather confusing.
Most of my black friends back in the USA were African, but not American; they were born and raised in Nigeria, Kenia, etc.
Same with my Asian friends in the USA, they were fom China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, not American at all.
As a Mexican, the one I foud really silly (por no decir estúpido) was Mexican-American. Here in Mexico we learn that America is one continent (not two; North and South America). So, any citizen from any country of the continent is an American (Canadians, Cubans, Brazilians, Hondureños, etc.). So, pretty much ALL Mexicans are Americans (unless you happened to be born in Europe or so, but have Mexican citizenship). So, the term Mexican-American is just redundant.
As for referring to people from the USA, I never call them American, but "citizens from the United States" or, in Spanish, "Estadounidenses", unless I'm trying to make a distinction among them and Europeans, Africans, etc. I also have heard the term "Unitarios" (Unitarians, from the UNITED States).
By the way, my favorite football team is Mexico's Club América, their logo is a ball (the kind of ball you play with your feet, as the name of the sport indicates) with a map of the American Continent. What they call football in the USA we call American Football (as opposed to the European Football of Soccer, so no problem there with the term American) and I root for the Chicago Bears, although they kind of sucked last Superbowl. Go Bears! Go Illini! ¡¡¡¡Viva América!!!!! ;P
Regards,
VN

what are we?

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Some years back on business trip to Mexicali, the man, a succesful business man, who was touring the group at the cocktail hour asked: Why is it that in the United States everyone is hyphenated? Mexican-American, German-American, Afro-American, etc. I felt that his question was genuine and his curiosity was authentic which provoked his question.

A few of us tried to explain why this occurs - that it was about politics, allocation of funds, a distribution of tax revenues by politicians in order to prove that each community was getting its fair share and finally,and that it was an effort to preserve or to claim our roots and culture in the melting pot that the United States is. This man's physical facial attributes and surname was of chinese origin. Upon hearing the various explanations, he seemed puzzled and when asked to explain his reaction to the explanations he said. "I am Mexican. I never been to China and I am not Chinese-Mexican. But I am glad to know and take lots of interest in my ancestry and curious of where I come from". I liked his comment.
All of us in "Nuestros Ranchos" are like the Mexican man from Mexicali curious and interested in our ancestry. It is the reason why we endeavor in our genealogy, right?

We are enriched by the diversity of our background, life experience and by the man or woman we marry. Since that time in Mexicali, I go about with my keen curiosity and love to discover where I came from with a sense of who I am - not as a Mexican or an American or as some hyphenated identity but with a sense for universality of who I am, shaped, formed and influenced by the people I come across. I continue on my search for where I came from because it is important to know.

If you haven't, I would suggest one day you get to hear the song "No Soy De Aqui, Ni Soy de Aya" by Facundo Cabral, an Argentinian singer as it sings to what brings people together and who they are and shuns by its intent anything that separates.

For me, to discover who I am and where I come from is not about being Mexican from Nochistlan but about where I started from. Its good to know.

Enrique Legaspi

Corrine Ardoin wrote:
I wanted to thank everyone, Paula, Emilie, Robert, and Esperanza for the
tremendous help you have given me regarding this sensitive issue of race
classifications in Mexico and, as you pointed out, in America, as well. We
see this sadly all over the world.

People ask me if I am Hispanic and I say, I'm an American of mostly Mexican
and German ancestry. Since I have been doing genealogy, I have been
thinking, well, my Mexican ancestors were of Spanish ancestry, so maybe I
should start saying that, which gets me back to being "Hispanic." Yet,
there could be some French, some indigenous mixture there, so it just
doesn't work to get down to classifying ourselves or others anymore. I
could say I am of European ancestry, but that still excludes all
possiblities. That's what they have been finding out in the census taking,
that people are no longer simply white, black, brown, yellow, green, or
purple, but a blending of races. When it comes down to it, what is the
purpose of this kind of accounting anymore?

My mother was born in Guadalajara, spoke Spanish, and she grew up with her
family in Los Angeles. The story is told a million times over, family
members one by one immigrating to the U.S. during the Mexican Revolution and
then staying here. My mother's mother only spoke Spanish, grew up and went
to college in Guadalajara, but worked in LA in the garment industry as a
factory worker until retirement. My mother's father was born and raised in
Chihuahua and El Paso. He was a musician, like his father, worked as a film
extra in silent movies, but eventually became a clothing salesman for Victor
Clothing Company in downtown LA until his retirement. I used to see him on
their television commercials in the 1960's. He had changed his name from
Jesus to Fred. My grandmother's aunt owned a shoe store on the plaza right
by the Cathedral in Guadalajara, lived a well-to-do lifestyle and had
servants. Her store was burned down during the Revolution, so she
immigrated to the U.S. She worked all the rest of her life for the Diamond
Laundry Company in LA. Why didn't the women do as well in this country as
their own? I know that they lived in fear of getting sent back to Mexico,
they isolated themselves, they did not want to stand out or make waves, make
a fuss, and they all had a great deal of pride.

I married a man of French and English ancestry and live far away from my
family now. The Mexican influence of my upbringing has worn off quite a
bit, I have found out. At a Mexican restaurant last Mother's Day, we had
brunch with my mother and my brother and his wife, who is Mexican. He asked
me if I had tried any of this particular dessert they had there. I said I
didn't know what that was. He looked at me and asked, "You don't know?
What kind of Mexican are you?!" So, you can get it from all directions, put
down for being too dark, too light, too Mexican, not Mexican enough, for
speaking Spanish, for not knowing Spanish, etc. etc. Enough said.
Thank-you, all!

Corrine Ardoin
American Heinz 57

what are we?

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Another excellent response. Thank you for sending this. Marge:)

On May 9, 2007, at 11:43 PM, enrique legaspi wrote:

> Some years back on business trip to Mexicali, the man, a succesful
> business man, who was touring the group at the cocktail hour asked:
> Why is it that in the United States everyone is hyphenated?
> Mexican-American, German-American, Afro-American, etc. I felt that
> his question was genuine and his curiosity was authentic which
> provoked his question.
>
> A few of us tried to explain why this occurs - that it was about
> politics, allocation of funds, a distribution of tax revenues by
> politicians in order to prove that each community was getting its fair
> share and finally,and that it was an effort to preserve or to claim
> our roots and culture in the melting pot that the United States is.
> This man's physical facial attributes and surname was of chinese
> origin. Upon hearing the various explanations, he seemed puzzled and
> when asked to explain his reaction to the explanations he said. "I am
> Mexican. I never been to China and I am not Chinese-Mexican. But I am
> glad to know and take lots of interest in my ancestry and curious of
> where I come from". I liked his comment.
> All of us in "Nuestros Ranchos" are like the Mexican man from
> Mexicali curious and interested in our ancestry. It is the reason why
> we endeavor in our genealogy, right?
>
> We are enriched by the diversity of our background, life experience
> and by the man or woman we marry. Since that time in Mexicali, I go
> about with my keen curiosity and love to discover where I came from
> with a sense of who I am - not as a Mexican or an American or as some
> hyphenated identity but with a sense for universality of who I am,
> shaped, formed and influenced by the people I come across. I continue
> on my search for where I came from because it is important to know.
>
> If you haven't, I would suggest one day you get to hear the song "No
> Soy De Aqui, Ni Soy de Aya" by Facundo Cabral, an Argentinian singer
> as it sings to what brings people together and who they are and shuns
> by its intent anything that separates.
>
> For me, to discover who I am and where I come from is not about
> being Mexican from Nochistlan but about where I started from. Its good
> to know.
>
> Enrique Legaspi
>
>
>
> Corrine Ardoin wrote:
> I wanted to thank everyone, Paula, Emilie, Robert, and Esperanza for
> the
> tremendous help you have given me regarding this sensitive issue of
> race
> classifications in Mexico and, as you pointed out, in America, as
> well. We
> see this sadly all over the world.
>
> People ask me if I am Hispanic and I say, I'm an American of mostly
> Mexican
> and German ancestry. Since I have been doing genealogy, I have been
> thinking, well, my Mexican ancestors were of Spanish ancestry, so
> maybe I
> should start saying that, which gets me back to being "Hispanic." Yet,
> there could be some French, some indigenous mixture there, so it just
> doesn't work to get down to classifying ourselves or others anymore. I
> could say I am of European ancestry, but that still excludes all
> possiblities. That's what they have been finding out in the census
> taking,
> that people are no longer simply white, black, brown, yellow, green, or
> purple, but a blending of races. When it comes down to it, what is the
> purpose of this kind of accounting anymore?
>
> My mother was born in Guadalajara, spoke Spanish, and she grew up with
> her
> family in Los Angeles. The story is told a million times over, family
> members one by one immigrating to the U.S. during the Mexican
> Revolution and
> then staying here. My mother's mother only spoke Spanish, grew up and
> went
> to college in Guadalajara, but worked in LA in the garment industry as
> a
> factory worker until retirement. My mother's father was born and
> raised in
> Chihuahua and El Paso. He was a musician, like his father, worked as a
> film
> extra in silent movies, but eventually became a clothing salesman for
> Victor
> Clothing Company in downtown LA until his retirement. I used to see
> him on
> their television commercials in the 1960's. He had changed his name
> from
> Jesus to Fred. My grandmother's aunt owned a shoe store on the plaza
> right
> by the Cathedral in Guadalajara, lived a well-to-do lifestyle and had
> servants. Her store was burned down during the Revolution, so she
> immigrated to the U.S. She worked all the rest of her life for the
> Diamond
> Laundry Company in LA. Why didn't the women do as well in this country
> as
> their own? I know that they lived in fear of getting sent back to
> Mexico,
> they isolated themselves, they did not want to stand out or make
> waves, make
> a fuss, and they all had a great deal of pride.
>
> I married a man of French and English ancestry and live far away from
> my
> family now. The Mexican influence of my upbringing has worn off quite a
> bit, I have found out. At a Mexican restaurant last Mother's Day, we
> had
> brunch with my mother and my brother and his wife, who is Mexican. He
> asked
> me if I had tried any of this particular dessert they had there. I
> said I
> didn't know what that was. He looked at me and asked, "You don't know?
> What kind of Mexican are you?!" So, you can get it from all
> directions, put
> down for being too dark, too light, too Mexican, not Mexican enough,
> for
> speaking Spanish, for not knowing Spanish, etc. etc. Enough said.
> Thank-you, all!
>
> Corrine Ardoin
> American Heinz 57

Race Designations

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An excellent message, and so true! Thanks for posting, Corrine! Marge
V:) also a Heinz 57! :)

On May 9, 2007, at 11:39 AM, Corrine Ardoin wrote:

> I wanted to thank everyone, Paula, Emilie, Robert, and Esperanza for
> the
> tremendous help you have given me regarding this sensitive issue of
> race
> classifications in Mexico and, as you pointed out, in America, as
> well. We
> see this sadly all over the world.
>
> People ask me if I am Hispanic and I say, I'm an American of mostly
> Mexican
> and German ancestry. Since I have been doing genealogy, I have been
> thinking, well, my Mexican ancestors were of Spanish ancestry, so
> maybe I
> should start saying that, which gets me back to being "Hispanic." Yet,
> there could be some French, some indigenous mixture there, so it just
> doesn't work to get down to classifying ourselves or others anymore. I
> could say I am of European ancestry, but that still excludes all
> possiblities. That's what they have been finding out in the census
> taking,
> that people are no longer simply white, black, brown, yellow, green, or
> purple, but a blending of races. When it comes down to it, what is the
> purpose of this kind of accounting anymore?
>
> My mother was born in Guadalajara, spoke Spanish, and she grew up with
> her
> family in Los Angeles. The story is told a million times over, family
> members one by one immigrating to the U.S. during the Mexican
> Revolution and
> then staying here. My mother's mother only spoke Spanish, grew up and
> went
> to college in Guadalajara, but worked in LA in the garment industry as
> a
> factory worker until retirement. My mother's father was born and
> raised in
> Chihuahua and El Paso. He was a musician, like his father, worked as
> a film
> extra in silent movies, but eventually became a clothing salesman for
> Victor
> Clothing Company in downtown LA until his retirement. I used to see
> him on
> their television commercials in the 1960's. He had changed his name
> from
> Jesus to Fred. My grandmother's aunt owned a shoe store on the plaza
> right
> by the Cathedral in Guadalajara, lived a well-to-do lifestyle and had
> servants. Her store was burned down during the Revolution, so she
> immigrated to the U.S. She worked all the rest of her life for the
> Diamond
> Laundry Company in LA. Why didn't the women do as well in this
> country as
> their own? I know that they lived in fear of getting sent back to
> Mexico,
> they isolated themselves, they did not want to stand out or make
> waves, make
> a fuss, and they all had a great deal of pride.
>
> I married a man of French and English ancestry and live far away from
> my
> family now. The Mexican influence of my upbringing has worn off quite
> a
> bit, I have found out. At a Mexican restaurant last Mother's Day, we
> had
> brunch with my mother and my brother and his wife, who is Mexican. He
> asked
> me if I had tried any of this particular dessert they had there. I
> said I
> didn't know what that was. He looked at me and asked, "You don't know?
> What kind of Mexican are you?!" So, you can get it from all
> directions, put
> down for being too dark, too light, too Mexican, not Mexican enough,
> for
> speaking Spanish, for not knowing Spanish, etc. etc. Enough said.
> Thank-you, all!
>
> Corrine Ardoin
> American Heinz 57

historical info on Cd. Guzman, Jalisco

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good morning,
can anyone direct me to information on the town of Cd. Guzman, Jalisco in regards to Church establishment, political changes, historical acitivities, famous people, all this during the era of 1600-1900

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historical info on Cd. Guzman, Jalisco

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Yolanda,

You can find "oodles" on Ciudad Guzman through a Wikipedia (spanish) search
at http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciudad_Guzm%C3%A1n
This site has a variety of informative links, and you can also obtain
further informationby making, within wikipedia, a Google search for Ciudad
Guzman.

Happy surfing,

Efrain
San Diego, California

> [Original Message]
> From: yotomas
> To:
> Date: 5/11/2007 9:07:12 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] historical info on Cd. Guzman, Jalisco
>
>
> good morning,
> can anyone direct me to information on the town of Cd. Guzman, Jalisco in
regards to Church establishment, political changes, historical acitivities,
famous people, all this during the era of 1600-1900
>
> thank you,
>
> Yolanda

Books and Howdy ! Mickey

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Hi Mickey ,

Nice to read you again ! I've got a question for you , there are a couple of folks here that are interested in any books that are for sale . Books that are of use to the folks from here .

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Fossils: Was- Books and Howdy ! Mickey

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great. can you scan some of the arrowheads and other things you've
found. Would love to see them.

joseph

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Lester Alvarado wrote:
> Hi Mickey ,
>
> Nice to read you again ! I've got a question for you , there are a couple of folks here that are interested in any books that are for sale . Books that are of use to the folks from here .
> Apart from that how are you and what have you been up to . I've been doing some fossil hunting and was luck enough to find some indian arrow heads and a fantastic place that has lots and lots of indian paintings in very good condition.
>
> Take care,
> Welester
>
>
>
>
>> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 00:47:26 -0400> From: mmg8938@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hillerkuss Diccionario Biografico del Occidente Novohispano> > General> For anyone doing genealogy in the area....this book is a must!!! I have recently paid $80.00 just for the 3rd copy here in Texas! The books are 81/2 by 11....and the last copy has 496 pages. They are soft covered and worth every penny!!> If I did not have them...I would be purchasing them now!!> > Mickey> > > > > -----Original Message-----> From: arturo.ramos2@gmail.com> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Sent: Wed, 9 May 2007 9:36 PM> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hillerkuss Diccionario Biografico del Occidente Novohispano> > > > I do not have copies of the books but have seen excerpts of the electronic > version of the first volume, thus the entry I have for Pedro de Bobadilla in the > GEDCOM database based on the book.> > The books are only in Spanish and as far as I know they are no translations into > English. The books are basically volumes of a dictionary that instead of having > word definitions have names and short biographies. I think you will get a > pretty good idea of what the entries look like by looking at Pedro de Bobadilla > in the GEDCOM database as that is the basic format and length of the entries.> > I don't think they have a table of contents, just as word dictionaries do not... > i.e. there are no chapters and the names are listed alphabetically thus negating > the needs for a table of contents or an index.> > If you would like more info on the logistics of ordering a set, please contact > me personally through the web contact form on the Nuestros Ranchos site.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> ________________________________________________________________________> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Fossils: Was- Books and Howdy ! Mickey

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Hello Welester
Where did you go? Coahuila or Nuevo Leon? Where did you see the Indian paintings? I have a friend in Monclova that gives me arrowheads when I go to visit. He finds them around the area.
I am looking at a book published in 1930-CATALOGO DE PASAJEROS A INDIAS, 1509-1533. Someone sent it to me to see if I wanted it. What do you think? I do not have these years.
Welester, nice hearing from you! Have you seen any of our mutual friends?
If you run into them, say hello; look forward to seeing everyone again. I am going to call Areceli. I haven't called her this week.
Bye
Mickey

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To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thu, 10 May 2007 5:13 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Fossils: Was- Books and Howdy ! Mickey

great. can you scan some of the arrowheads and other things you've
found. Would love to see them.

joseph

====================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)

Lester Alvarado wrote:
> Hi Mickey ,
>
> Nice to read you again ! I've got a question for you , there are a couple of
folks here that are interested in any books that are for sale . Books that are
of use to the folks from here .
> Apart from that how are you and what have you been up to . I've been doing
some fossil hunting and was luck enough to find some indian arrow heads and a
fantastic place that has lots and lots of indian paintings in very good
condition.
>
> Take care,
> Welester
>
>
>
>
>> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 00:47:26 -0400> From:
mmg8938@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hillerkuss Diccionario
Biografico del Occidente Novohispano> > General> For anyone doing genealogy in
the area....this book is a must!!! I have recently paid $80.00 just for the 3rd
copy here in Texas! The books are 81/2 by 11....and the last copy has 496 pages.
They are soft covered and worth every penny!!> If I did not have them...I would
be purchasing them now!!> > Mickey> > > > > -----Original Message-----> From:
arturo.ramos2@gmail.com> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Sent: Wed, 9 May
2007 9:36 PM> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hillerkuss Diccionario Biografico del
Occidente Novohispano> > > > I do not have copies of the books but have seen
excerpts of the electronic > version of the first volume, thus the entry I have
for Pedro de Bobadilla in the > GEDCOM database based on the book.> > The books
are only in Spanish and as far as I know they are no translations into >
English. The books are basically volumes of a dictionary that instead of having
> word definitions have names and short biographies. I think you will get a >
pretty good idea of what the entries look like by looking at Pedro de Bobadilla
> in the GEDCOM database as that is the basic format and length of the entries.>
> I don't think they have a table of contents, just as word dictionaries do
not... > i.e. there are no chapters and the names are listed alphabetically thus
negating > the needs for a table of contents or an index.> > If you would like
more info on the logistics of ordering a set, please contact > me personally
through the web contact form on the Nuestros Ranchos site.> -- -- -- -- -- -- --

Fossils: Was- Books and Howdy ! Mickey

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Welester
Send me your email direct...so I do not have to communicate thru Ranchos.

Mickey

-----Original Message-----
From: makas@nc.rr.com
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thu, 10 May 2007 5:13 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Fossils: Was- Books and Howdy ! Mickey

great. can you scan some of the arrowheads and other things you've
found. Would love to see them.

joseph

====================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)

Lester Alvarado wrote:
> Hi Mickey ,
>
> Nice to read you again ! I've got a question for you , there are a couple of
folks here that are interested in any books that are for sale . Books that are
of use to the folks from here .
> Apart from that how are you and what have you been up to . I've been doing
some fossil hunting and was luck enough to find some indian arrow heads and a
fantastic place that has lots and lots of indian paintings in very good
condition.
>
> Take care,
> Welester
>
>
>
>
>> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 00:47:26 -0400> From:
mmg8938@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hillerkuss Diccionario
Biografico del Occidente Novohispano> > General> For anyone doing genealogy in
the area....this book is a must!!! I have recently paid $80.00 just for the 3rd
copy here in Texas! The books are 81/2 by 11....and the last copy has 496 pages.
They are soft covered and worth every penny!!> If I did not have them...I would
be purchasing them now!!> > Mickey> > > > > -----Original Message-----> From:
arturo.ramos2@gmail.com> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Sent: Wed, 9 May
2007 9:36 PM> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hillerkuss Diccionario Biografico del
Occidente Novohispano> > > > I do not have copies of the books but have seen
excerpts of the electronic > version of the first volume, thus the entry I have
for Pedro de Bobadilla in the > GEDCOM database based on the book.> > The books
are only in Spanish and as far as I know they are no translations into >
English. The books are basically volumes of a dictionary that instead of having
> word definitions have names and short biographies. I think you will get a >
pretty good idea of what the entries look like by looking at Pedro de Bobadilla
> in the GEDCOM database as that is the basic format and length of the entries.>
> I don't think they have a table of contents, just as word dictionaries do
not... > i.e. there are no chapters and the names are listed alphabetically thus
negating > the needs for a table of contents or an index.> > If you would like
more info on the logistics of ordering a set, please contact > me personally
through the web contact form on the Nuestros Ranchos site.> -- -- -- -- -- -- --

“DEL OTRO LADO” se estrena en eu el PRÓXIMO 13 de mayo

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“DEL OTRO LADO” se estrena en eu el PRÓXIMO 13 de mayo

El 13 de mayo se estrenará en Estados Unidos la serie documental Del
Otro Lado, que ofrecerá a los televidentes una visión sin precedente de
las vidas de los inmigrantes mexicanos en los Estados Unidos de
América. La serie consiste de trece episodios de media hora cada uno.
Ha sido producida por el Canal Once y será distribuida en los Estados
Unidos por Alterna TV.

Semana a semana se analizarán diversos aspectos de una realidad
contundente y compleja: el protagonismo de los líderes políticos
mexicano-estadounidenses, el determinante voto latino, la influencia
del arte y los artistas de México, la cultura binacional, el trabajo
duro y tenaz del inmigrante, sus anhelos, sus exigencias, el avance de
la lengua española y muchos otros temas que plantean una interesante
pregunta: ¿Qué implica ser mexicano en “la nación más poderosa del
mundo”?

Once México actualmente distribuye sus programas en el ámbito nacional
a través de DirecTV (canal 415) y a través de los principales
proveedores de servicios de cable y telecomunicaciones, entre los que
se encuentran: Time Warner, Comcast, Charter, RCN y Qwest.

Del Otro Lado se estrena el domingo 13 de mayo del 2007 a las 7 PM
Tiempo del Pacífico, 9 PM Tiempo del Centro y 10 PM Tiempo del Este,
con repeticiones los martes a las 9 PM Tiempo del Pacífico, 11 PM
Tiempo del Centro y 12 AM Tiempo del Este, y los miércoles a las 12 PM
Tiempo del Pacífico, 2 PM Tiempo del Centro y 3 PM Tiempo del Este.

Para mayor información visite: http://www.oncemexico.tv/delotrolado

Lazos es un servicio informativo del IME, se distribuye de lunes a
viernes, y contiene información sobre la población de origen
mexicano y latino en EE.UU.y Canadá

Instituto de los Mexicanos en el Exterior
Plaza Juárez #20, Col. Centro
Deleg. Cuauhtémoc C.P. 06010
México, D.F.

Contacto
Nadia
Flores
Vences
nflores@sre
.gob.mx

Su dirección de correo electrónico se obtuvo por alguno de los
siguientes medios:
Lazos, Página Web, Eventos IME, Recomendación

www.ime.gob.mx

Tomo IV

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What's the name of the book?

Mary

-----Original Message-----
>From: mormonboy74
>Sent: May 10, 2007 5:48 PM
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Tomo IV

The Health Initiative of the Americas (formerly Califo...

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Hi, I was a founding board member of an organization that is called
H.A.C.E.---Hispanic Alliance Career Enhancement _http://www.hace-usa.org/_
(http://www.hace-usa.org/) . The primary purpose of this organization is networking,

The Health Initiative of the Americas (formerly California-Mexico Health Initiative) job announcement

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I am taking the liberty to post this JOB ANNOUNCEMENT

The Health Initiative of the Americas (formerly California-Mexico Health
Initiative) is currently recruiting a Program Evaluator and Development

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Fossils:

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Sure !

Welester

> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 17:13:18 -0500> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Fossils: Was- Books and Howdy ! Mickey> > great. can you scan some of the arrowheads and other things you've > found. Would love to see them.> > joseph> > ====================> > Joseph Puentes> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)> http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)> > > > Lester Alvarado wrote:> > Hi Mickey ,> > > > Nice to read you again ! I've got a question for you , there are a couple of folks here that are interested in any books that are for sale . Books that are of use to the folks from here .> > Apart from that how are you and what have you been up to . I've been doing some fossil hunting and was luck enough to find some indian arrow heads and a fantastic place that has lots and lots of indian paintings in very good condition.> > > > Take care,> > Welester> >> >> >> > > >> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 00:47:26 -0400> From: mmg8938@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hillerkuss Diccionario Biografico del Occidente Novohispano> > General> For anyone doing genealogy in the area....this book is a must!!! I have recently paid $80.00 just for the 3rd copy here in Texas! The books are 81/2 by 11....and the last copy has 496 pages. They are soft covered and worth every penny!!> If I did not have them...I would be purchasing them now!!> > Mickey> > > > > -----Original Message-----> From: arturo.ramos2@gmail.com> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Sent: Wed, 9 May 2007 9:36 PM> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hillerkuss Diccionario Biografico del Occidente Novohispano> > > > I do not have copies of the books but have seen excerpts of the electronic > version of the first volume, thus the entry I have for Pedro de Bobadilla in the > GEDCOM database based on the book.> > The books are only in Spanish and as far as I know they are no translations into > English. The books are basically volumes of a dictionary that instead of having > word definitions have names and short biographies. I think you will get a > pretty good idea of what the entries look like by looking at Pedro de Bobadilla > in the GEDCOM database as that is the basic format and length of the entries.> > I don't think they have a table of contents, just as word dictionaries do not... > i.e. there are no chapters and the names are listed alphabetically thus negating > the needs for a table of contents or an index.> > If you would like more info on the logistics of ordering a set, please contact > me personally through the web contact form on the Nuestros Ranchos site.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> ________________________________________________________________________> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> >> > > _________________________________________________________________> > Change is good. See what’s different about Windows Live Hotmail.> > www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/default.html?locale=en-us&ocid=TX…; > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> >> > To post, send email to:> > general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> >> > To change your subscription, log on to:> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> >> >> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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For your amusement

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(This isn't really genenalogy - but it is a FAMILY story)
This past Saturday, my daughter dropped off her three oldest (ages 7, 5, and 2) for us to babysit. After playing outside for a while, the two older ones decided they wanted to watch a video - Disney's "Three Caballeros" (Donald Duck, Joe Carrioca, and ??? - I can't remember) - I haven't been able to figure out why they like this so - they have seen this a dozen times over the past 18 months. Anyway, after the movie, they wanted a snack, and while they were sitting around the table, Joey, the 7 yr old, started howling. I asked what all the noise was for - he said he was pretending to be a singing mariachi. This is what you must know about Joey's heritage: he is a combination of Irish, Lithuanian, Scots, English, Native American, Mexican ... y solo Dios sabe que mas. And yes, Joey has been exposed to mariachis in live performance, so he knew what he was trying to do.

Susana Leniski

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I need the people who wanted to contact Susana to send me a reminder
email to: makas@nc.rr.com

I can't seem to remember who you were. Email me and I'll send Susana
your email address. Or you could contact her via the website. I'm not

The Mendoza Family in 1500's Mexico

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I heard the Mendoza family comes from a long line of Castilian Nobility is this true? There were dukes, counts, lords, princes, etc. They also owned the Guadalajara Palace of Mendoza and descend from Fernando I? Is all this true.

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The Mendoza Family in 1500's Mexico

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There are Mendoza families in Spain with different origins. It is true that
one of those families was, and is, one of the most prominent of Spain (that
of the Dukes of the Infantado - the palace in Guadalajara is called "Palacio
de los Duques del Infantado"), Marquis of Santillana and several other
titles. To that family belonged don Antonio de Mendoza, 1st viceroy of New
Spain. I don't recall at this point their connection(s) with the Spanish
royalty (but I'm certain that there are several) and it is true that the
ancestry of the Spanish royal family can be traced back to Pedro, Duke of
Cantabria, who lived in the VI century.

>From: mormonboy74
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Mendoza Family in 1500's Mexico
>Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 22:45:44 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>I heard the Mendoza family comes from a long line of Castilian Nobility is
>this true? There were dukes, counts, lords, princes, etc. They also owned
>the Guadalajara Palace of Mendoza and descend from Fernando I? Is all this
>true. I found websites that have this genealogy for the Mendoza familiy
>going back to 500 A.D.

New Online System to Replace Archivos Espanoles en Red

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MINISTERIO DE CULTURA

La Ministra de Cultura
Se complace en invitarle a la inauguración del programa

PARES
Portal de Archivos Españoles

Estimadas/os amigas/os:

En estos momentos se inaugura la primera fase de desarrollos

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New Online System to Replace Archivos Espanolesen Red

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Thank you Arturo, However, I think some of us will need an English translation (I struggled to read it and am overwhelmed). Some years ago, when I first contacted the webmaster there, he did have an English translation. Is there one for this new system?

Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: Arturo Ramos
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 7:03 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Online System to Replace Archivos Espanolesen Red

MINISTERIO DE CULTURA

La Ministra de Cultura
Se complace en invitarle a la inauguración del programa

PARES
Portal de Archivos Españoles

Estimadas/os amigas/os:

En estos momentos se inaugura la primera fase de desarrollos
informáticos que se corresponden con los módulos de búsqueda y de
descripción, es decir, los referidos a la entrada y a la salida de
datos del sistema.

Los usuarios podrán acceder por dos vías. Directamente, a
través de la dirección > usando cualquier
navegador en Internet, o mediante un enlace en el Área de Archivos,
dentro de la página web del Ministerio de Cultura
(www.mcu.es/archivos/index.html
>).

El Portal de Archivos Españoles es una herramienta destinada
a la difusión de los archivos y a facilitar el trabajo interno de
gestión y descripción. Proporciona a los investigadores y usuarios en
general una serie de funcionalidades que facilitan la localización de
los documentos:

1. Un buscador con dos modalidades, tanto de búsqueda sencilla,
como de búsqueda avanzada o experta, con diferentes tipos del filtro
de la información.

2.El Inventario Dinámico de Contenidos, que ofrece al usuario
información detallada e instantánea sobre qué fondos y colecciones de
cada archivo están difundidas Internet a través del Portal. Se ofrece
también información sobre las novedades que han tenido lugar en los
últimos treinta días.

3. El acceso es libre y gratuito, sin necesidad de códigos de
identificación ni contraseñas.

4. Agenda del Investigador que puede exportarse vía correo
electrónico a la dirección que desee el usuario.

5. El envío telemático de documentos que permite al usuario la
exportación de imágenes digitalizadas de un documento cualquiera vía
correo electrónico.

Además, como Portal Web sirve de plataforma para la difusión
de proyectos archivísticos de interés antes de ser integrados en la
base de datos general, facilitando su consulta a los usuarios. Los
primeros proyectos de esta naturaleza son:

a)Catastro del Marqués de la Ensenada, mediante un buscador en
base de datos que localiza los documento originales digitalizados
para su consulta.

b)Carteles de la Guerra Civil. Una de las principales
colecciones de carteles de esta etapa bélica producidos en ambos
bandos contendientes.

c)Deportados españoles a campos de concentración nazis. Aporta
información sobre más de 8.000 personas que estuvieron presas o
murieron en los campos de Mauthausen o Gusen, fundamentalmente.

Como herramienta de trabajo archivístico, PARES proporciona
un módulo de descripción que permite la elaboración e introducción de
la información documental e imágenes digitalizadas dentro del
sistema. La plataforma es nutrida diariamente con el trabajo de
descripción en red de los profesionales de los archivos, así como con
la carga de sus correspondientes bancos de imágenes digitalizadas,
conforme se van materializando los distintos proyectos en curso.

En una segunda fase, que comienza también en estos momentos
hasta final de año, se perfeccionarán los módulos de la primera, y se
desarrollarán distintas herramientas necesarias para la gestión tanto
de los archivos como la de usuarios, el control y el movimiento de
fondos o la gestión del servicio de reprografía.

Los usuarios que accedan a PARES tienen la opción de
comunicarse constantemente con la administración del sistema para
resolver cualquier necesidad de información que se plantee.

PARES arranca proporcionando a sus usuarios unos 19 millones
de imágenes digitalizadas, que están asociadas a 1,7 millones de
registros descriptivos de los documentos. Para ello, la Subdirección
General de los Archivos Estatales, en 2007 ha llevado a cabo un Plan
de Apoyo para la Descripción Intensiva de los Archivos, con la
finalidad de potenciar el trabajo de descripción de éstos y aumentar
la producción de registros descritos en cada fondo. A finales de
2007, está previsto el aumento de estas cifras a 28 millones de
imágenes, generadas por distintos proyectos de ámbito nacional e
internacional, así como a 2,7 millones de registros.

PARES es una herramienta de gestión e información electrónica
de archivos que se ve favorecida por las ventajas en acceso en red,
que en conjunción con el volumen creciente de datos, propicia y
abunda en la superación de las barreras tradicionales del acceso a
los archivos:

a)Temporales. PARES permite el acceso libre y gratuito desde
cualquier lugar del mundo las veinticuatro horas del día. El usuario
ya no tiene que estar supeditado a los horarios de los centros.

b)Geográficas. El usuario no tienen que desplazarse de su lugar
de residencia habitual, facilitando el ahorro des costes de viajes.

c)Dispersión de la información. PARES permite al usuario obtener,
en un sola operación, información tradicionalmente repartida por
distintos archivos.

Frente a los instrumentos de descripción tradicionales, PARES
actúa como un gran inventario, en el que cada orden de búsqueda por
un criterio subjetivo supone la obtención de un listado de resultados
equivalente a los tradicionales catálogos de una manera más ágil,
rápida y efectiva.

Immigrant stories

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Is there a collection of immigration/immigrant stories here on the NUESTROS RANCHOS page/site? (If so, how do I go about finding them?) Stories of how an ancestor or parent migrated to the U.S.; how and when did they travel?; why did they come to the U.S.?; how long did it take?; did they come alone or in a group?; where in the U.S. did they eventually settle?

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Immigrant stories

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Natalie,

No, your idea is not hare-brained Arturo already has a file called "Poems and Cuentos" that is for poems so far, but I'm sure he could open another file for "Immigrants' Stories". I love to read such stories. It fleshes out for me what the stories of my own immigrant ancestors might have been being that I never knew any but my father and he never talked about his experiences during the Revolution in Mexico and the trip to the US or his early years here.

I was born in Colorado in 1939 and raised in California, so I don't have the family knowledge that some of the other members have. My mother was American/Nuevo Mexican/Tewa and we were immersed in that culture that had existed there for 400 years and they considered my father's relatives "foreign newcomers". They were always talking about their ancestors, and my father never got a word in edgewise, nor did he want to. He would just shake his head and complain later about the archaic Spanish dialect they spoke that had not kept up with modern Castellan as spoken in Mexico. He was always correcting my mother's Spanish and ours, and as a result, I stopped trying to speak Spanish. He didn't allow us make-up or bright colors, either. I think he would have loved to have seen us at home only or wearing black rebozos on our heads when we went out. He was very provincial.

Since Ancestry.com came out with the Border Crossings database, I have found so much to flesh out some of the story of my father's people. In the Border Crossing database, and Historical Newspapers, and Obituaries, and WWI and WWII Registrations I have learned so much about my immigrant ancestors who are all gone now. For instance, I did not know that before settling in Colorado for 25 years, they had first gone to Mogollon, NM or to Glazier TX in the early part of the 20th C. and both of those are now ghost towns. I wonder what they did there, what life was like (pretty rough, I imagine, but with family around, it was bearable).

A really good story about one family's saga of immigration and what drove some people to leave Mexico is a book called, "Rain of Gold" by Victor Villasenor. I also have a book called "Como Viven Los Mexicanos en los Estados Unidos" published privately in Mexico in the 1920s that my husband's aunt gave me almost 50 years ago.

So, it is a good idea, Natalie. I look forward to hearing everyone's stories.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA---
----- Original Message -----
From: nc_coleman
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 1:02 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Immigrant stories

Natalie in VA

immigrant stories

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I have a short bio of my father's journey from Mexico to the USA which I sent
to the group on 30 July 2006. I guess it is in the General Genealogy and
History section. I could expand it to include my grandfather and my uncles.
The Estrada family migrated from Etzatlan to Guadalajara and then to Mexico
City and finally to Monterrey.

Gloria Estrada McCrary

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Hello fellow Ranchos members...

I will be in Mexico City next Thursday through Sunday and am hoping to spend most of the day Friday at the Archivo General de la Nacion. I cannot promise that I will have time, but if someone has a specific document for which they have exact repository (i.e. collection name, folio number and page number, etc.) that they would like me to look up I will try to do my best.

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Colotlan Document from Archivo General de la Nacion

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If anyone is interested in trying to read the 1617 report of Captain Francisco Urdinola from his visit to Colotlan for the Viceroy el Marques de Guadalcazar, I have uploaded it to the file section under Books and Articles:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15985

Visit to Archivo General de la Nacion

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Hello Arturo!

Wish I were going with you!! Have a great time! Spend the rest of the time going to the old book stores, I believe the street is Vensuela? Where Porrua is...I guess you know about that, huh?

Be safe,
Mickey

-----Original Message-----
From: arturo.ramos2@gmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 3:32 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Visit to Archivo General de la Nacion

Hello fellow Ranchos members...

I will be in Mexico City next Thursday through Sunday and am hoping to spend
most of the day Friday at the Archivo General de la Nacion. I cannot promise
that I will have time, but if someone has a specific document for which they
have exact repository (i.e. collection name, folio number and page number, etc.)
that they would like me to look up I will try to do my best.

I hope everybody's research is going well.

My trip to Archivo General de la Nacion

Comment

I just got back from Mexico City this morning and wanted to report a bit on my trip, or at least the part of it related to my research...

The Archivo General de la Nacion is located just behind the Legislative Palace in the Ampliacion Penitenciaria. The name comes from the fact that the Archive building used to be a jail. The architecture is impressive and the layout quite amenable to an archive as each wing of the star-shaped building holds a different collection and the documents are placed in "cells" so that they are isolated in case of fire, etc.

I have been told, however, that the building, due to its age and the construction materials is very humid, which is detrimental to the documents and the government has been for some time now considering moving the archive to a new purpose-built building.

To register as a researcher, I merely wrote a letter outlining my research interests and the purpose of my research that included my full name, address, phone number and email address. This is a basic requirement in order to obtain a researcher card. Presenting the letter and an official identification document, the registration process took about 20 minutes.

In order to handle any document, researchers are required to wear gloves and a face mask. I bought some latex gloves and a face mask at a pharmacy, but I would recommend you find some nice, well-fitting cotton gloves instead of the latex ones, which are very uncomfortable to work in and difficult to take on and off as is needed to switch back and forth between computer and document.

You are allowed only loose leaf paper, a pencil and a computer. I did not take a computer, but would recommend it as for me it is faster to type than handwrite transcriptions.

The archive has digitized versions of many colonial document collections including Tierras and Inquisicion (probably not coincidentally, from the LDS fimiling of these collections). Unfortunately, the films include multiple volumes and expedientes with no markers to differentiate where one starts and the other ends. The image search engine leads one to the correct digitized film but not to the correct place on the film where the document resides so it is quite difficult to use this service.

The Archive has a photocopy service that will do up to 30 copies in a same day service or larger copy jobs in a two-day turnaround at 1 peso per copy (about 10 cents). Unfortunately all orders have to go in before 2:30 pm which makes the day short since the archive opens only at 8:30 am. I meant to inquire whether one could take a digital camera and photograph documents but forgot. Does anyone know?

It was an amazing experience to handle documents from the 1500s and 1600s in my hands. The documents I saw were in pristine shape and very legible. The paper is very high quality--thus their long life.

Unfortunately, due to the time constraints, I was unable to look up all of the documents that I would have liked to see. I did get a number of very important documents related to the Tlaxcaltec colony in Colotlan. One is from a visit by a a Capitan Urdinola in 1617 and another set is a collection of the documents related to the rights and privileges granted by the Crown to the families that was compiled in 1712 in order to defend these rights and privileges from the local government that was trying to take them away.

Visit to Archivo General de la Nacion

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Bon Voyage, Arturo,

I wish you could help their techs make their Guia more user-friendly. they need someone with your expertise. I can't even bring up the search fields.

Emilie
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From: arturoramos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:32 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Visit to Archivo General de la Nacion

Hello fellow Ranchos members...

I hope everybody's research is going well.

Visit to Archivo General de la Nacion

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Hello Arturo,
You are so lucky to be able to travel and do research! If you have
time I would be very grateful if you could get me a copy of the
following Expediante:

Instituciones Coloniales
.........Inquisición.
............Inquisición. (61)
...............Volumen 372
Título:
Expediente 25
Fecha(s):
AÑO 1632
Nivel de descripción: Unidad documental compuesta (Expediente)
Volumen y soporte de la unidad de descripción (cantidad, tamaño
dimensiones): Fojas: 39
Nombre del o de los productores: (Pendiente)

Alcance y contenido:
INFORMACIONES DEL BR. FRANCISCO LOPEZ DE GUZMAN, HIJO DE GABRIEL LOPEZ
DE LA CRUZ, Y ANA DE PAZ, PARA FAMILIAR. (GENEALOGIAS.) MEXICO.

The above archive is for the brother (Francisco Lopez de Guzman) of my
10 g-grandmother, Maria Lopez de la Cruz who was married to Lazaro
Martin del Campo. I know there are a number of us on Ranchos who are
researching this couple.

Enjoy your trip!

Maria Cortez
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Esparza Genealogy

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I found a source that has Lope Ruiz de Esparza lineage going back to 1230 to James First of England. Im not sure if its correct or not. It said he is descended through the Beumonts near FRance to JAmes I.

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Esparza Genealogy

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I don't know about James I, but I do know that a book I found at the
Benson Rare Book Library (UT Austin), mentioned ties to the Beaumonts.
However, they were never clear as to whether or not there was a
relationship. As far as I understood it, a Lope de Esparza (not sure
which generation) performed some act of heroism or fought next to the
king (Beaumont), and the king in turn rewarded him with a coat of arms
and a casa solar.

I don't know the name of the book off hand, but can check at home.
What is the name of your source?

----- Original Message -----
From: mormonboy74
Date: Monday, May 7, 2007 9:49 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Esparza Genealogy
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org

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> I found a source that has Lope Ruiz de Esparza lineage going back
> to 1230 to James First of England. Im not sure if its correct or
> not. It said he is descended through the Beumonts near FRance to
> JAmes I. Can anyone asisst me how to know this is a reliable source.

Esparza Genealogy

Comment

The Beaumonts of Navarre lineage is very well documented and has been
published in several books. I have some information on them and never seen
any connection with Lope Ruiz de Esparza. Plus James I of England lived
around 1600 making impossible that Lope would be his descendant. The
Beaumonts are descendants of St Louis IX of France.

Inaki Garrido, Spanish historian and genealogist, is about to publish a book
on the Beaumonts which may contain Lope if he was connected to them.

Would you kindly let us know which source is that?

Thank you
Hector Felix Aizcorbe

>From: mormonboy74
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Esparza Genealogy
>Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 20:49:47 -0700 (PDT)
>
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>I found a source that has Lope Ruiz de Esparza lineage going back to 1230
>to James First of England. Im not sure if its correct or not. It said he is
>descended through the Beumonts near FRance to JAmes I. Can anyone asisst me
>how to know this is a reliable source.

My trip to Archivo General de la Nacion

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Excellent Arturo ,

A friend of mine Arq. Jose Garza Carrillo has been there several times and has bought film there , he's promised to take me along the next time he goes . I will let you all know when I do .

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Arturo's trip to the Archivo General de la Nacion

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Excuse the following US expression which captures my enthusiasm as I read your AGN experience in Mecca, aka Mexico City.

YOU DA' MAN!!!!

Edward Serros

My trip to Archivo General de la Nacion

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Wow............Arturo, I could feel the excitement at having the opportunity to go to Mexico City to handle documents that are several hundred years old, rich with meaning, with content and with history.

Hmmm, maybe someday I can make it, even if every time I visit Mexico City I get very ill, with the altitude and the smog rather than enjoying the city I spend my time vomiting and trying to breathe. I take two steps and stop to catch my breath etc. On second thought I don't think I can do it again.

I'm happy for you Arturo!!

----- Original Message ----
From: arturoramos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, May 7, 2007 12:08:54 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] My trip to Archivo General de la Nacion

I just got back from Mexico City this morning and wanted to report a bit on my trip, or at least the part of it related to my research...

You are allowed only loose leaf paper, a pencil and a computer. I did not take a computer, but would recommend it as for me it is faster to type than handwrite transcriptions.

A most important trip

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A most important trip

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Leticia, thank you for sharing your very emotional journey. I do know how you feel since I went to my grandfathers homestead in Jerez Zacatecas in 2003 and found what you did, family I didn't know but saw myself in.. what a wonderful feeling.

Linda in Everett

Marionicia wrote:

I made a trip to my ancestor´s town. I claim it to be very fortunated because is the result of a bunch of diggins. I did found a hidden treasure: the getting a hug from my mother´s side of long time absence. This means, my fellows group, I just met two of my mother´s siblings and a bunch of cousins.
My mother was raised by a relative or friend of the family (her mother died from giving birth) and added to that her father never had an affective relation with she, so me and my cousins, nor one in the family, had any affective relation with them, not even close. This spring took iniciative and went to seek for them. It was a great treat, came bach happy to the full, I still can´t put it in the right words. I invite you to look in my just added album.

Attn: Sylvia Corona

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I tried to send you Susana's e-mail address at the e-mail address below, but your computer there won't allow messages through to you because you are not listed in the "Domino Directory".

Reply to me at my hotmail address.

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Attn: Emelie Garcia

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You can respond and send me Susana's e-mail address at

autlandelagrana@myfamily.com

Sylvia H Corona

Attn: Emelie Garcia

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I will like to connect with Susana Leniski RE: Carlos de Godoy from Zacatecas

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I will like to connect with Susana Leniski RE: Carlos de Godoy from
Zacatecas.
Any one can connect me with her?
Thank you

Sylvia H Corona

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I will like to connect with Susana Leniski RE: Carlos de Godoy f

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plug her name into the search window and send her an email throught the
website

joseph

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Sylvia Corona/Rcac wrote:
> I will like to connect with Susana Leniski RE: Carlos de Godoy from
> Zacatecas.
> Any one can connect me with her?
> Thank you
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> Sylvia H Corona

I will like to connect with Susana Leniski RE: Carlos de Godoy f

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Joseph,

I tried to send a message with Ms. Leniski's e-mail address through the website to Ms. Corona, but nothing happened. After I click, Send Message, it just sits there.

Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I will like to connect with Susana Leniski RE: Carlos de Godoy from Zacatecas

plug her name into the search window and send her an email throught the
website

joseph

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http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)

Sylvia Corona/Rcac wrote:
> I will like to connect with Susana Leniski RE: Carlos de Godoy from
> Zacatecas.
> Any one can connect me with her?
> Thank you
>
> Sylvia H Corona

I will like to connect with Susana Leniski RE: Carlos de Godoy f

Comment

I think the website might be off line as I can't access it right now.

joseph

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Emilie Garcia wrote:
> Joseph,
>
> I tried to send a message with Ms. Leniski's e-mail address through the website to Ms. Corona, but nothing happened. After I click, Send Message, it just sits there.
>
> Emilie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joseph Puentes
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 5:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] I will like to connect with Susana Leniski RE: Carlos de Godoy from Zacatecas
>
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> plug her name into the search window and send her an email throught the
> website
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> joseph
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> Joseph Puentes
> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
> http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
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> > I will like to connect with Susana Leniski RE: Carlos de Godoy from
> > Zacatecas.
> > Any one can connect me with her?
> > Thank you
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> > Sylvia H Corona
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Familia MACIAS LOPEZ del Rancho el Meco o la Mocha

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Any one doing research on this family I have some information that I can
make avaialble to you.
Amador Macias y su esposa Isidora Lopez and his decendents founders of the
Rancho el Meco a la Mocha

Garcia - Lopez from Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco

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I'm chuckling,
cuz i should have said in the previous email, i should have said ancestors or acendants to a wonderful
family line

Anyway, here is more:

Maria Dominguez de Loyola, my maternal grandmother, born and raised in Cd Guzman, her mother,

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Garcia - Lopez from Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco

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Yolanda, have you posted your family file yet? I did not see it but I don't know your surname. Do you have any dates or approximate dates and names for your oldest ancestors?
Linda in Everett

yotomas wrote:

I'm chuckling,
cuz i should have said in the previous email, i should have said ancestors or acendants to a wonderful
family line

Anyway, here is more:

Maria Dominguez de Loyola, my maternal grandmother, born and raised in Cd Guzman, her mother,
Felipa Maria Garcia- Lopez de Dominguez, had 4 sisters according to the IGI
they are:

MARIA TEODORA GARCIA LOPEZ

MA. MARTA DE JESUS GARCIA LOPEZ

MA. VICTORIA DE LA TRINIDAD GARCIA LOPEZ

MA. DARIA GARCIA LOPEZ

I don't have any additional information other than they "might" be my great-grandma's sisters in
Cd. Guzman

any information would be wonderful!
thank you Yolanda

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descendants from Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Mexico

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good morning,

Here's the data:

Maria Dominguez de Loyola (my maternal grandmother- born & raised in Cd. Guzman)
sblings:

Paula Domiguez-Garcia de Nazoirin (sp?)
Francesca/ Francisca (Tia Pachita) Dominguez-Garcia

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descendants from Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Me

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Hi, is this your family?
Results for: Jalisco, Mexico
Father: Guadalupe Garcia, Mother: Juana Lopez
Exact Spelling: Off
[refine search]
Prepare selected records for download [input] [input] International Genealogical Index / Mexico - 8 Select records to download - (50 maximum) [input] 1. MARIA TEODORA GARCIA LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 OCT 1866 Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Mexico
[input] 2. MA. MARTA DE JESUS GARCIA LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 AUG 1871 Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Mexico
[input] 3. MA. VICTORIA DE LA TRINIDAD GARCIA LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 26 DEC 1852 Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Mexico
[input] 4. MA. DARIA GARCIA LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 26 OCT 1857 Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Mexico
[input] 5. PABLO DE JESUS GARCIA LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 JUN 1850 Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Mexico
[input] 6. JOSE ZEFRRINO DE JESUS GARCIA LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 31 AUG 1874 Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Mexico
[input] 7. JOSE TORIBIO DE JESUS GARCIA LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 20 APR 1848 Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Mexico
[input] 8. JOSE SECUNDINO GARCIA LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 06 JUL 1855 Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Mexico
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yotomas wrote:

good morning,

Here's the data:

Maria Dominguez de Loyola (my maternal grandmother- born & raised in Cd. Guzman)
sblings:

Paula Domiguez-Garcia de Nazoirin (sp?)
Francesca/ Francisca (Tia Pachita) Dominguez-Garcia
Emeteria Domiguez-Garcia

thier parents:
Felipa Maria Garcia- Lopez de Dominguez
Jose Dominguez (spanaird ?)
according to the IGI, they were married in Cd. Guzman May 1878

her parents:
Jose Guadalupe Garcia
Juana Lopez-Sanchez
(this information is uncofirmed, found in the family search)

Juana's parents:
Jose Nicolas Lopez
Juana Maria Sanchez

any assistance or advise will be appreciated

Yolanda

descendants from Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Me

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YES!
i believe so!
I need to obtain Felipa Garcia's birth cert to confirm.

Erlinda,
is this also your ancestors?

Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
Hi, is this your family?
Results for: Jalisco, Mexico
Father: Guadalupe Garcia, Mother: Juana Lopez
Exact Spelling: Off
[refine search]
Prepare selected records for download [input] [input] International Genealogical Index / Mexico - 8 Select records to download - (50 maximum) [input] 1. MARIA TEODORA GARCIA LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 OCT 1866 Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Mexico
[input] 2. MA. MARTA DE JESUS GARCIA LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 AUG 1871 Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Mexico
[input] 3. MA. VICTORIA DE LA TRINIDAD GARCIA LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 26 DEC 1852 Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Mexico
[input] 4. MA. DARIA GARCIA LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 26 OCT 1857 Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Mexico
[input] 5. PABLO DE JESUS GARCIA LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 JUN 1850 Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Mexico
[input] 6. JOSE ZEFRRINO DE JESUS GARCIA LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 31 AUG 1874 Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Mexico
[input] 7. JOSE TORIBIO DE JESUS GARCIA LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 20 APR 1848 Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Mexico
[input] 8. JOSE SECUNDINO GARCIA LOPEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 06 JUL 1855 Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Mexico
prev | next Prepare selected records for download

yotomas wrote:

good morning,

Here's the data:

Maria Dominguez de Loyola (my maternal grandmother- born & raised in Cd. Guzman)
sblings:

Paula Domiguez-Garcia de Nazoirin (sp?)
Francesca/ Francisca (Tia Pachita) Dominguez-Garcia
Emeteria Domiguez-Garcia

thier parents:
Felipa Maria Garcia- Lopez de Dominguez
Jose Dominguez (spanaird ?)
according to the IGI, they were married in Cd. Guzman May 1878

her parents:
Jose Guadalupe Garcia
Juana Lopez-Sanchez
(this information is uncofirmed, found in the family search)

Juana's parents:
Jose Nicolas Lopez
Juana Maria Sanchez

any assistance or advise will be appreciated

Yolanda

descendants from Zapotlan El Grande, Ciudad Guzman, Jalisco, Me

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Yolanda, I do have ancestors who lived in Zapotlan El Grande but in earlier years mostly except for the Rolon family. My lines are Mendez and Gutierrez but they married into families that stayed there after mine moved on to Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco. One line my Mendez ancestor married into was the Sanchez de la Mejorada who dropped the de la Mejorada and became Sanchez, that's why your message caught my eye. My research is earlier, late 1600's to 1800 when they left Zapotlan El Grande. When you get the baptism record I will be happy to check and see if I have anything for the earlier generations. I have records from Zapotlan El Grande I haven't recorded yet in my files.

Yolanda Edwards-Guerra wrote:

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De la Torre Berumen book on Tepetongo

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I'm wondering if someone can do a look up for me in the book by Mr. De la Torre Berumen on Tepetongo. I'm trying to find ancestors or other family members for this Gutierrez family in Tepetongo and Jerez. I had this book but sold it to a group member, thanks in advance.
Linda in Everett

1 Vicente Gutierrez 1777 - b: Abt. 1777 in El Salitre, Tepetongo
. +Maria Ignacia de la Torre 1780 - b: Abt. 1780 in Tepetongo, Zac
........ 2 Domingo Gutierrez 1802 - b: Abt. 1802 in El Salitre, Tepetongo
............ +Guadalupe Oyarzabal 1805 - b: Abt. 1805 in Jerez, Zac ? Father: Jose don Oyarzabal Mother: Clara doña Miranda de
................... 3 Guadalupe Gutierrez 1830 - b: 24 Dec 1830 in Salitre, Zac
................... 3 Anastasio de Jesus Gutierrez 1839 - b: 27 Apr 1839 in Salitre, Zac
................... 3 Francisco Gutierrez 1832 - b: Abt. 1832 in El Salitre, Tepetongo
....................... +Dolores de la Torre Valdez 1835 - b: Abt. 1835 in Jerez, Zac ?
............................. 4 Ambrosio Gutierrez 1878 - b: 07 Dec 1878 in El Salitre, Tepetongo
................... 3 Jose Gutierrez 1845 - b: Abt. 1845 in Mexico
....................... +Maria doña de la Torre Valdez 1848 - b: 27 Jan 1848 in Salitre, Tepetongo
............................. 4 Catalina doña Gutierrez de la Torre 1870 - b: Abt. 1870 in Jerez, Zac

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De la Torre Berumen book on Tepetongo

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Well the genealogies he covers in depth are: De la Torre, Robles,
Correa, Sanchez, Nava, Gonzalez, Murillo, Carols, Rodriguez, Mejia,
Zuniga, and Salazar. Not Gutierrez. I went through and tried to find
Maria Ignacia de la Torre (1780) but the genealogies are very very very
user unfriendly and it would take a major research session (maybe a few
days worth) to search each page. Sorry,

joseph

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Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
> I'm wondering if someone can do a look up for me in the book by Mr. De la Torre Berumen on Tepetongo. I'm trying to find ancestors or other family members for this Gutierrez family in Tepetongo and Jerez. I had this book but sold it to a group member, thanks in advance.
> Linda in Everett
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> 1 Vicente Gutierrez 1777 - b: Abt. 1777 in El Salitre, Tepetongo
> . +Maria Ignacia de la Torre 1780 - b: Abt. 1780 in Tepetongo, Zac
> ........ 2 Domingo Gutierrez 1802 - b: Abt. 1802 in El Salitre, Tepetongo
> ............ +Guadalupe Oyarzabal 1805 - b: Abt. 1805 in Jerez, Zac ? Father: Jose don Oyarzabal Mother: Clara doña Miranda de
> ................... 3 Guadalupe Gutierrez 1830 - b: 24 Dec 1830 in Salitre, Zac
> ................... 3 Anastasio de Jesus Gutierrez 1839 - b: 27 Apr 1839 in Salitre, Zac
> ................... 3 Francisco Gutierrez 1832 - b: Abt. 1832 in El Salitre, Tepetongo
> ....................... +Dolores de la Torre Valdez 1835 - b: Abt. 1835 in Jerez, Zac ?
> ............................. 4 Ambrosio Gutierrez 1878 - b: 07 Dec 1878 in El Salitre, Tepetongo
> ................... 3 Jose Gutierrez 1845 - b: Abt. 1845 in Mexico
> ....................... +Maria doña de la Torre Valdez 1848 - b: 27 Jan 1848 in Salitre, Tepetongo
> ............................. 4 Catalina doña Gutierrez de la Torre 1870 - b: Abt. 1870 in Jerez, Zac
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De la Torre Berumen book on Tepetongo

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Joseph, thank you very much, you've done more than enough. I do appreciate you checking it for me.
Linda in Everett

Joseph Puentes wrote:
Well the genealogies he covers in depth are: De la Torre, Robles,
Correa, Sanchez, Nava, Gonzalez, Murillo, Carols, Rodriguez, Mejia,
Zuniga, and Salazar. Not Gutierrez. I went through and tried to find
Maria Ignacia de la Torre (1780) but the genealogies are very very very
user unfriendly and it would take a major research session (maybe a few
days worth) to search each page. Sorry,

joseph

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Gomez de Aguirre

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Does anyone know this family in Jalisco or are researching? Gomez de Aguirre they are an early 1700's family.

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Gomez de Aguirre

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Do you know that there are 10 Gomez de Aguirres in the IGI section of Family Search ? They start in 1698 and go to 1793--all but one are in Jalisco.
Paula
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Does anyone know this family in Jalisco or are researching? Gomez de Aguirre they are an early 1700's family.

Martin Del Campo in Guadalajara

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I finally found some records for my Martin del Campo ancestors from
microfilms I ordered through the LDS church. In Film No. 1950892, Deaths
1941, in the civil register for the municipio of Guadalajara in Guadalajara,

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Martin del Campo Mestizos Mexicanos

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Corrine:

Congratulations and thank you for sharing that information with the group.

Your message brought up something interesting that I found when looking at civil records. Up until recently I had stuck to church records since they are pretty complete and very good for the most part in the region on which I am focused (Colotlan, Tlaltenango and Totatiche).

However, the church records for Villa Guerrero, a new parrish founded around 1920 are not filmed (and I am told were destroyed in the Cristero War). So I went to look at the civil records (which survived since they were copied and sent off to Guadalajara--as is customary for civil records).

I found in those records that many of my ancestors are described as indigenas, even when the church records describe their ancestors as mestizos or espanoles. I had thought that after independence they had done away completely with the caste system and as such there would be no more race information in the records, which is the case with church records for the most part...

However, my find and your information confirms that they continued to keep this information in the civil records. I wonder if they generically refered to everyone as mestizo mexicano as a way of affirmatively erasing the previous caste designations? I wonder why they would designate my ancestors as indigenas if that were the case, unless perhaps as part of the Revolution ideology that was considered a good thing.

Race Designation in Civil Records

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Arturo,

I don't know. This is the first record I have come upon that designated race as mestizo mexicano. I have done most of my research on the paternal line of my mother's family, in Chihuahua. In civil records from that part of Mexico, dating back to 1861, I have come across "indigenas" and "mexicanas no indigenas." I always took the first to mean they were an indigenous tribe member and the second meant they were Mexicans that were not indigenous tribe members nor had any indigenous ancestry.

Corrine Ardoin

Ignacio Alviso race description in marriage document

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Hoping someone might be able to help with the script in this document. I feel as if it is like Ojo de Agua
revisited! The below link is the document that I am pretty sure is the marriage document for the great grandparents of Julian Alviso. It is the top document, the marriage of Jose Ignacio Albiso and Juana Maria Gonzalez. Ignacio's race is described as Indio, but there is another word after Indio. I suspect it is either Savorio or Lavorio, but I am not sure. I am sorry but, I do not have the complete film, so I cannot provide other records for comparison. Could it possibly be the Indian tribe? Does anyone recognize the script or have a clue what this would mean? Thanks for any help!

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Ignacio Alviso race description in marriage document

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Maureen,

It's been my understanding that this means the person was indigenous
and did farmwork - as in "labor" which means farmwork and "laborio"
being the adjective form. I realize that you noted the script uses
a 'v' rather than a 'b', but these letters have been quite
interchangeable in most records.

To my knowledge, it did not have anything to do with the name of a
tribe.

Hope this is helpful.

Connie Dominguez

----- Original Message -----
From: Maureen Bejar
Date: Wednesday, May 2, 2007 3:33 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ignacio Alviso race description in marriage
document
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org

>
> Hoping someone might be able to help with the script in this
> document. I feel as if it is like Ojo de Agua
> revisited! The below link is the document that I am pretty sure
> is the marriage document for the great grandparents of Julian
> Alviso. It is the top document, the marriage of Jose Ignacio
> Albiso and Juana Maria Gonzalez. Ignacio's race is described as
> Indio, but there is another word after Indio. I suspect it is
> either Savorio or Lavorio, but I am not sure. I am sorry but, I
> do not have the complete film, so I cannot provide other records
> for comparison. Could it possibly be the Indian tribe? Does
> anyone recognize the script or have a clue what this would mean?
> Thanks for any help!
>
>
>
>
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15952

Indio Laborio

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Connie:

You are correct about the term "laborio" meaning farm worker. Though I don't think it is necessarily in the sense of the person being a farm hand per se as much as being a farmer, i.e. labor means field (of crops) so laborio would simply mean that the person had a labor to work on.

From what I can gather the term was used to differentiate "civilized" indigenous people who had adopted sedentary life of farming as opposed to "uncivilized" or "chichimeca" indigenous people who were nomadic, or simply subsistence farmers/hunters.

Ignacio Alviso Race and Occupation/Indigenous conversion

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Dear Connie and Arturo:
Thank you for the discussion. Always appreciate the help!

Maureen Bejar

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