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Bienvenida Carolina,

I have seen you write in both English and Spanish, so I hope you don't mind if I respond to your email in English.

I too have done some research in the Correa Surname in Tlaltenango, Zacatecas. Feel free to take a look at my files. Also, if you have a specific name and date approximation, I could look up the person in my family tree database.

Thanks,
Angie Godina

You are right, I do not have the Parents of Ana Gonzalez de Florida either.
Miguel
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From: Sofia
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 7:11 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Mendoza Rubio

Hello Everyone,

Can someone tell me if Diego Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Maria Rubio were the parents of Francisco Gutierres de Mendoza Rubio.
If not, does anyone know his parents and the parents of Ana Gonzalez Florida?
Also if anyone knows if they were born in Jalostotitlan or when they arrived.

Thank you.

Sofia

It was a pleasure speaking with you. As I mentioned, I don't have other information on Diego Flores de la Torre except that he married Teresa Gonzalez de Hermosillo who was born about 1632. Their daughter Juan Flores de la Torre was born about 1656 in Juchipila, Zacatecas and she married Tomas Martin del Campo who was born about 1652 in San Juan de Los Lagos, Jalisco. Their children were: Cecilia (b:1694 in San Juan de Los Lagos, d: 03 mar 1778) Antonia (b: abt 1684); Clara (b:1690), Maria Magdalena (b:1693), Maria (b:1683), Esteban (b:1678) Josefa born in 1692. I hope this information is helpful

Hello,

Corrine please please don't think this is me pointing directly at you
because I'm not (by the way where are your photos I didn't see them?).
You just reminded me and I'm just using this an an "opportunity" to
share my wishes with the group concerning the "Album" are of the
website. If you all go to the Albums you will see various other Albums
and one of those Albums is named: "Members and Group meeting Photos"

Here is what I would like the people who own the below albums to do:

1) Move your albums to the "Members and Group meeting Photos"

If you don't know how to move stuff then delete the folder you created
and create a new album inside the "Members and Group meeting Photos" album

These are the files I would request that you all move (please):

1) Leticia Leon Morales
2) My parents Elias de Leon and Maria Carlos
3) Elias de Leon
4) WISER'S HD:Users:clemwiser:Desktop:Misc

thanks,

joseph

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Ruben, email me at cflores2208@sbcglobal.net. I have a large Diego Flores de la Torre branch that I can share with you.
Charlie Flores

I just joined your group and am very interested in the line from Jalos. We share the same ancestors (and I agree that that would be the case for many from Jalos). The children mentioned of Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Ana Gonzales Florida included Theresa who married Diego Flores de la Torre. Their daughter Juana married Tomas Martin del Campo. They had 9 children. Their daughter Cecilia married Jose Joaquin Gutierrez... These are my ancestors. I'm very pleased to meet others who have done some serious research in Jalos.

I hope to join you when you meet again. I note that you are meeting today in Wildomar. I am looking forward to the next meeting.

Correct Prima
Ronnie> From: sceleste_m@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:20:22 -0400> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] RE: RE: New names in my Muñoz line:San Juan de los Lagos, Ayotlan, Jalostotitla> > > !POR FIN! Someone I'm related to! > > Hola Ronnie.> I didn't have time to stick more names that I had found, but now I will.> We are related threw Cristobal but also his grandparents, Juan Gutirrez de Mendoza and Ana Camacho. Cristobal's father, Salvador Gutierres de Mendoza 1660. The information I found out about his family was, which you probably already have or you can also correct me if I'm mistaken, the parents of Juan were Francisco Gutierres de Mendoza Rubio 1594 y Francisca Hurtado 1599. The parents of Francisco were Francisco Gutierres de Mendoza Rubio y Ana Gonzalez Florida. Francisca's father was Rodrigo Olivares.> Ana Camacho's parents were Silvestre Camacho 1585 y Teresa Gonzalez de Hermosillo 1589.> > Sophia> From: chilerey@msn.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:37:31 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] RE: New names in my Muñoz line:San Juan de los Lagos, Ayotlan, Jalostotitlan, Tep> > > Hola Sophia ,how are you ? I am related to to Cristobal Gutierrez de Mendoza through his GrandParents (my ancestors) Juan Gutirrez de Mendoza and Ana Camacho. Manuel Munoz(de Nava) and Maria de San Juan (Martin )del Campo als my ancestors. There are probably more connections.> It seems that everybody from Los Altos area are related at least by 1 or 2 ancestors.> Ronnie Reynoso every bodies cousin from Los Altos> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: sceleste_m@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:32:51 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New names in my Muñoz line:San Juan de los Lagos, Ayotlan, Jalostotitlan, Tepatitlan, san Miguel el Alto and Lago de Moreno> > > > _________________________________________________________________> Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE!> http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Hi Sophia:

Do you want another relative? I am a direct paternal line descendent of
Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo II, married to Ana Gonzalez Florida II. Juan was
a brother to Teresa Gonzalez de Hermosillo. Que te parece prima?

Iam sure, like Ronnie says, " if you are from Los Altos, you are probably
related to the rest of us, we are all related"

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
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!POR FIN! Someone I'm related to!

Hola Ronnie.
I didn't have time to stick more names that I had found, but now I will.
We are related threw Cristobal but also his grandparents, Juan Gutirrez de
Mendoza and Ana Camacho. Cristobal's father, Salvador Gutierres de Mendoza
1660. The information I found out about his family was, which you probably
already have or you can also correct me if I'm mistaken, the parents of Juan
were Francisco Gutierres de Mendoza Rubio 1594 y Francisca Hurtado 1599. The
parents of Francisco were Francisco Gutierres de Mendoza Rubio y Ana
Gonzalez Florida. Francisca's father was Rodrigo Olivares.
Ana Camacho's parents were Silvestre Camacho 1585 y Teresa Gonzalez de
Hermosillo 1589.

Hi Sophia,
Don't be too surprised :-) -- I too descend from Francisco Gutierrez de Mendoza and Ana Gonzalez Florida. 
I'll see if I can send you more info tonight.
Saludos!

Hola Rick:

Es una gran idea eso de hacer una reunión anual en Los Altos de Jalisco. Mi esposo y yo estamos muy interesados y asistiremos siempre y cuando se haga a mediados de marzo que es cuando todos los años vamos por asuntos que no se pueden hacer en otro tiempo.
Saludos desde el Edo. de Nueva York,

Bertha Medina de Boehm
Guenter Boehm

En Busca de mis Antepasados
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"Böhm-Chronik"
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600-jährige Geschichte einer Familie
in Schlesien (1329-1948)

Cuenta conmigo, unicamente avisame con tiempo y ojalá pudiera ser un fin de semana

Rick Rodriguez wrote: Hola compañeros, no sé si ya se haya hecho, pero yo propongo que se haga una
reunión de Nuestros Ranchos aquí en Los Altos. Tambien propongo que el lugar
sea aquí en Valle de Guadalupe o lugar cercano, ya que es el centro de la
región. Que dicen? A cuantos de ustedes les interesa y tienen oportunidad de
asistir? La fecha esta para que se escoja.

Saludos,

Ricardo Rodriguez

Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

Muy interesante Rick lo que mencionas, estaría bien reunirnos todos a los que os interesa la genealogía, y si creo que sería mejor en vacaciones escolares, pues como ya saben yo estudio todavía y si se me dificulta que sea antes.

Como dices, Valle de Guadalupe está al centro de la región, pero creo que habría que pensar en quienes se van a hospedar en hotel, pues en Valle de Guadalupe no hay mucho servicio hotelero o si? Creo que Tepa tiene mucho mas servicios de este Tipo, el problema sería el lugar de la reunión. O solo que se quieran trasladar de aquí hasta Valle, de todos modos no pasa de durar 20 minutos.Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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Me interesa, sin embargo yono tengo ningun pariente en los Altos y no tengo la menor idea de donde es Valle de Guadalupe, sin embargo, es una buena idea, me gustaria en las vacaciones, y ojala con ustedes conozca a alguien que siga mi linea, que es la de la casa Palomino y Cañedo. Gracias
Katia

> From: rickrod.com@gmail.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:28:32 -0500> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reunion en Los Altos de Jalisco> > Hola compañeros, no sé si ya se haya hecho, pero yo propongo que se haga una> reunión de Nuestros Ranchos aquí en Los Altos. Tambien propongo que el lugar> sea aquí en Valle de Guadalupe o lugar cercano, ya que es el centro de la> región. Que dicen? A cuantos de ustedes les interesa y tienen oportunidad de> asistir? La fecha esta para que se escoja.> > > > Saludos,> > > > Ricardo Rodriguez> > Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Buenisima idea! Se podria planear algun tipo de seminar, visitas, etc. Yo solo necesitaria un poco de tiempo para pautarlo en mi agenda.

Saludos!

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From: "Rick Rodriguez"

Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 17:28:32
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reunion en Los Altos de Jalisco

Hola compañeros, no sé si ya se haya hecho, pero yo propongo que se haga una
reunión de Nuestros Ranchos aquí en Los Altos. Tambien propongo que el lugar
sea aquí en Valle de Guadalupe o lugar cercano, ya que es el centro de la
región. Que dicen? A cuantos de ustedes les interesa y tienen oportunidad de
asistir? La fecha esta para que se escoja.

Saludos,

Ricardo Rodriguez

Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

A todos mis primos!

Does anyone know how the couples Francisco Gutierres de Mendoza y Ana Gonzalez Florida or Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Maria Muñoz or Rodrigo Olivares y Maria Hurtado de Mendoza ended up in Jalostotitlan? About there origins or parents?

Gracias.
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Hola Ronnie, this is what I found.

La titulada “La Vieja del Concilio” que narra la desventura de una hermosa
mujer española muy rica (que se cree fue doña Ana González Florida quien
vivió en el siglo XVII); quien fue atacada por un leoncillo que le desfiguró
el rostro, pasando la desdichada el resto de sus días con la cara cubierta;
se convirtió entonces en una mujer muy cruel que se dedicó a asaltar
diligencias y arrieros, en unión de su banda; reuniendo una gran fortuna.
Agrega la leyenda que, después de fallecida, su espíritu vagó y siguió con
sus fechorías, auxiliada por los animales feroces que la obedecían.

I have a book somewhere that talks more about it but I'll have to look for
it.

Saludos,

Rick

Hola Sophia,

You can add me as another cousin. I also descend from Francisco Gutierres
de Mendoza Rubio and Ana Gonzalez Florida several times over. One line is
through their daughter Catalina Gutierrez Rubio, another one through their
son Miguel Gutierrez Rubio and a third one through their daughter Ana
Gonzalez Florida (named after her mother and married to Juan Gonzalez de
Hermosillo).

As Ronnie points out, if you are researching in Los Altos we all end up
connecting somehow because of the frequency of consanguinity in the
marriages. Much has been written about this topic by several authors. Some
of the more well known are: "Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia" by Lic.
Mariano Gonzalez-Leal and "Familias Endogamicas en Saltillo y los Altos de
Jalisco" by Professor Martha Duron Jimenez. The people of los Altos are
often accused of being an elitist group. Professor Duron writes in her
previously referenced book: "Los nativos de la region de Los Altos forman un
grupo compacto, cerrado y homogeneo en sus tradiciones, con caracteristicas
muy especiales, desde las raciales hasta culturales. De toda la region
conocida como Bajio es el grupo mas tradicionalista y conservador. El
matrimonio con personas ajenas al grupo familiar no era admisible, ni lo es
aun en estos tiempos."

Anyway, if you haven't already read these books I highly recommend them.

Saludos de tu nueva prima,

Maria Cortez

That IS interesting!!!!! My sister Patsy, who is the third of us four
girls and is a guera, had the same spot at the base of her spine. My
oldest daughter, Kerin, also had it as a baby. I know we descend from
Moctezuma on my father's mother's side but don't know what sort of
Indian blood my father's father's family had. Marge:)
On Jul 12, 2006, at 3:25 PM, erniealderete@charter.net wrote:

> That's very interesting. Thanks for letting us know.
>
> My nephew was born with the Mongolian blue spot. The only person in
> our family we believe was ever born that way. Like your haplogroups,
> his purplish spot at the base of his spine is like a signpost pointing
> across the Pacific.
>
> Everybody had to see his butt!
>
> Mexico has a long connection with the east. as Arturo indicated. The
> Filipinos cheered "Viva Mexico, Mabuhay!" when they heard Mexico had
> broken away from Spain. They expected it was their turn next. And
> indeed, a Mexican soldier serving in Manila declared the Independence
> of the Phillippines.
>
> But the Spaniards swiftly caught him, and hung him from the highest
> tree.
>
> The last flotilla left Las Filipinas loaded with silks and porcelains
> from China for Acapulco. and beyond.
>
> But the Mexican govenrment confiscated the goods and refused to
> compensate the Filipino merchants, bankrupting many, and bringing an
> end to the Spanish Galleon trans-Pacific trade.
>
> ---- Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
>> I had the 12 marker DNA done by my Uncle Louis Gutierrez, my mothers
>> brother, who was born in Tamazula Jalisco in 1924 but the genealogy
>> has the Gutierrez family in Chilchota Michocan in the mid 1600's to
>> 1780 or so when they migrated to Jalisco. To my surprise the results
>> came back Haplogroup N. Group N comes from China and Mongolia then
>> into Siberia... My mother was one of 8 children who all were very
>> fair skinned but do all have small slanted eyes. As a child my
>> mother was teased about her blue "Chinese eyes." and my cousin who is
>> an art instructor is always greeted by Asians as one of their own..
>> he said he believed the Gutierrez DNA would prove he had Asian
>> blood... he's the only one not surprised by the results.. The other
>> thing that surprised me was that in looking through Gary Felix's site
>> there were no other Haplogroup N participants.. that dissappointed
>> me. I had shared earlier that my MTDNA was Haplogroup A which I
>> thought explained our families slanted eyes.!
> ..
>>
>> just thought I'd share, Linda
>>
>>
>>
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Stephanie,

Pedro de la Cueva and Elena Beltran had two children: Juan and Nicolasa
Theresa Beltran de la Cueva. Nicolasa was baptized 2 Nov 1684 at "Parroquia
de la Asunción de las Aguas Calientes". She married Miguel de Alba y
Estrada Bocanegra on August 30, 1707 at the same church where she was
baptized. They had four daughters: Theresa, baptized 11 Nov 1708,
Gertrudis, born 03 Aug 1710 and baptized 25 Aug 1710, Elena born 21 Jun 1712
and baptized 16 Jul 1712 and Catharina, baptized 19 Sep 1715, all baptized
at the Parroquia de la Asunción. Elena de Alba Bocanegra was confirmed
14 Nov 1728. She married Florentino de Jesus Xaime on 12 Feb 1736 in
Aguascalientes. Elena died before 1752, but I don't know the exact date.
I do have some information about Elena's descendants, in case you're
interested.

Juan Beltran de la Cueva married Theresa Macias Valadez on 03 Sep 1709 at
Parroquia de la Asunción. They had at least two children: Maria de la Cueva
and Juan Joseph de la Cueva.

I'm not related to any of these people but have compiled lots of
genealogical
and historical info. for this area. My database consists of more than 8,500
early settlers of Aguascalientes, Zacatecas and Altos de Jalisco. Are you a
descendant of Nicolasa Beltran de la Cueva? Which other lines do you have
in Aguascalientes?

Hope this info. is useful to you.

Bill Figueroa

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From: "Stephanie Ferrari"
To:
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 7:28 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Beltran de la Cueva

Hello-

I am researching the family of Beltran de La Cueva, or Beltran or De La
Cueva in the 17th century in Aguascalientes...

Hola Sophia ,how are you ? I am related to to Cristobal Gutierrez de Mendoza through his GrandParents (my ancestors) Juan Gutirrez de Mendoza and Ana Camacho. Manuel Munoz(de Nava) and Maria de San Juan (Martin )del Campo als my ancestors. There are probably more connections.
It seems that everybody from Los Altos area are related at least by 1 or 2 ancestors.
Ronnie Reynoso every bodies cousin from Los Altos> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: sceleste_m@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 05:32:51 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New names in my Muñoz line:San Juan de los Lagos, Ayotlan, Jalostotitlan, Tepatitlan, san Miguel el Alto and Lago de Moreno> > > Hello Everyone,> > These are new names and dates that I have found in my Muñoz line, which come from San Juan de los Lagos, Ayotlan, Jalostotitlan, Tepatitlan, san Miguel el Alto and Lago de Moreno. The ‘m’ is for marriage. > I know that Jose Pedro Muñoz was a high official in the late 1800’s and left due to the Revolution.> > Sophia> > > > m1884: Jose Pedro Muñoz(1854) married Francisca Lozano(1862) San Juan de los Lagos> Jose Pedro’s parents: Jose Narcisco Muñoz(1831) & Juliana Angel(1835) San Juan de los Lagos> > Jose Narcisco’s parents: m1813-Jose Rafael Muñoz & Ma Alvina de Anda, San Juan de los Lagos> Ma Alvina’s’s parents: Jose Rafael de Anda & Josefa Ortega, San Juan de los Lagos> > Jose Rafael’s parents: Luiz Antonio Muñoz(1764) & Luiza Maria Romo(1769) San Juan de los Lagos> Luiz’s parents: Francisco Muñoz de Nava & Juana Rosario Dias de Zandi, San Juan de los Lagos> Luiza’s parents: Juan Caietano Romo & Ma Guadalupe Martin, San Juan de los Lagos> > Juliana’s parents: m1835-Jose Tiburcio Angel(1822) & Ma Trinidad Peres, San Juan de los Lagos> Tiburcio’s parents: m1815-Antonio Angel & Cleta Flores, San Juan de los Lagos> Trinidad’s parents: m1801-Antonio Peres & Ma Dolores Pacheco, San Juan de los Lagos> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > Francisca’s parents: Guadalupe Lozano & Ma Lina Medina(1862) San Juan de los Lagos> Ma Lina’s parents: m1819- Jose Francisco Medina(1771) & Felipa Ramirez, San Juan de los Lagos> > Jose Francisco’s parents: m1767- Antonio Medina & Pheliciana Velasquez, San Juan de los Lagos> Pheliciana’s parents: Juan Manuel Velasquez & Ma de San Juana Urqisa> > Felipa’s parents: Ygnacio Ramirez & Marina Marquez> > Guadalupe Lozano’s parents: Jose Marcelo Lozano & Juana Gertrudis Gonzalez(1772)> Jose Marcelo’s parents: m1769-Joseph Candido Lozano(1745) & Ma Dolores Camarena(1750)Ayotlan, Jalisco> > Joseph Candido’s parents: Nicolas Lozano & Antonia Michaela Garcia> Ma Dolores’ parents: Phelipe Camarena & Ma Candelaria Padilla> > Juana Gertrudis’ parents: m1771- Nicolas Gonzalez & Maria Simona Gutierrez(1752)Jalostotitlan, Jalisco> Nicolas’ parents: Domingo Gonzalez & Gertrudis de la Torre> Maria Simona’s parents: m1749-Joseph Gutierres de Mendoza & Mariana Muñoz de Nava, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco> > Mariana’s parents: Manuel Muñoz & Maria SanJuan del Campo> Joseph’s parents:m1721-Cristobal Gutierres de Mendoza(1695) & Antonia Micaela Macial, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Hola Ricardo... Rick, right?

Estoy muy interesada en atender los dos dias. Por favor envianos mas informacion en cuanto sepas mas o menos las fechas. Segun nos cuentas aqui, aun lo estas confirmando.

Ahora mismo estoy planeando vacaciones y seria perfecto saber.

Gracias por coordinarlo!

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Joseph,

I like that the you can now search by middle name. That is, if you search for Refugio, it will return all the Jose Refugio and/or Maria Refugio.

Thanks for the info,
Angie Godina

I believe it might be as well, did have this information. Awaiting some records I ordered. Also have Albina Magallanez's parents to be
Mother - Ma. Trinidad Benavides Father: Guillermo Magallanez & Florentino Luna's parents to be Domingo Luna & Julia Avila. I will be commiting more time to this in the near future. I really appreciate your help. Thank you.