I only see the Diosecees of Durango, I have been unable to find this film online .
This is the record im searching for.
name: Maria Rudecinda Rojas
gender: Female
christening date: 05 Mar 1797
christening place: SAN PEDRO APOSTOL,NOMBRE DE DIOS,DURANGO,MEXICO
birth date: 02 Mar 1797
birthplace:
i've seen several family trees showing maria carrillo also also being his niece. how was this connect made. I can't seem to find any document showing who maria carrillo's parents are.
I'm skeptical about her being pedro's niece since if i remeber correctly, marriages between uncle and niece weren't allowed.
Joseph this message doesn't seem to show up on the Nuestros Ranchos
website. Has anyone been looking into the fact that some messages don't get
posted and that some posts don't get emailed?
Armando
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Joseph Puentes wrote:
> I have a Macos Diaz married to a Cipriana Godina (see:
> http://tinyurl.com/c97mo2f) and in that record it says there is a
> Dispensa.
> I was first looking in the Informacion Matrimonial and couldn't find
> anything.
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> wouldn't there be information in the Informacion Matrimonial films as well?
> What determines if there is only info in the Informacion Matrimonial films
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Joseph and Tricia:
This is my grandmother?s line she was born in Albuquerque, New Mexico in
1929, but was grew up in the San Francisco/Oakland area during the 40-50s.
She descends from Francisco Montes de Vigil son of Capt. Francisco Montes de
Vigil and Mar?a Jim?nez de Ancizo, the couple before mentioned. Through
their son, Francisco Montes y Vigil who married Lorenza Quintana de Molina
Medina married on 28 June 1744 in Santa Fe, New Mexico. Through sucession,
this line would later marry into Lucero de Godoy, Romero and Ch?vez y Dur?n,
whom my grandmother descends.
Everyone probably already knows the following, but it never gets too old,
One word of caution with FamilySearch Pedigree Resource File, never take it
to be the last deciding voice. It seems people like to publish facts without
supporting records on certain ocassions. I have found on numerous ocasions
errors to these so-called genealogies in which I had to correct and even
reconstruct entire genealogical trees. Always support facts with records,
the Montes y Vigil famiy is rich in records, familysearch, microfilm, PARES,
and various instituitions in Mexico City, Valladolid, Madrid and so on.
Various authors have also published numerous articles and books on the New
Mexico families that can be of use. I have not followed this line with much
attention, but every now and then I get a spark of interest.
The house of Santillana is definately linked to this family, for Montes de
Vigil were from Asturias and Santillana was established in this principality
and in the nearby Cantabria area at the end of XIV century. From here the
family would spread over the Iberian peninsula and the New World.
For example, the 1611 crossing of Juan Montes de Vigil to the new world is
compromised of 24 pages, a certain portion was extracted to appear in the
search results. How many have read all 24 pages? I know I have finished
reading all 24. Through this and other important records, especially the
Ejuecutorias de Hidalgu?a (Proof of Nobility) the earliest we find
registered is 24 Nov 1587 in Valladolid, where Pedro Montes Vigil executes
before the Chancillery. A quick overview would easily set the Vigil family a
family of the Asturian nobility. The name is a bit older than we think it
appears somewhere at the end of XV and XVI centuries. Someone compounded
this surname, but who? From what I have researched Vigil is the main trunk
of the family. It splits into three branches, Montes Vigil, Vigil and de
Vigil Quino?es. Montes Vigil was probably a result of a female member of the
Vigil family marrying a man of "lower status" as to hidalgu?a, and therefore
was to continue to carry on
the Vigil surname, a very common trait during this period of research and
especially place.
If we were to study the ejecutorias de Hidalgu?a we would find out that Juan
Montes de Vigil married Catalina de Santillana Herrera, (Catalina has
nothing to do with Vigil) researchers have attached the Vigil to her. I have
not identified her parents, since the ejecutoria only applies to the male
line, this is her husband. Juan II would be son of Juan Montes de Vigil and
Mar?a de Vigil. Juan would be grandson of Lucas Montes de Vigil and Isabel
de Vigil and Francisco de Vigil and Catalina de Arguelles y Quino?es, this
last couple being the founders of the surname Vigil y Quino?es. If we
notice, Juan Montes de Vigil has three lines of Vigil, which is very common
in this period in Cantabria-Asturias. These families were very old and
reknown, mostly descendants of the original Christian warriors from the
VIII-X centuries.
I'm reguesting a lead on Bartholome Delgado and Francisca Merquelin Chevarria my 9th Great grandparents. They married on April 3, 1701 in Pinos, Zacatecas. I have their marriage dispensation that provides their parents names Francisco Delgado and
Petra Martin Chaves and Francisco Merquelin Chevarria and Juana Delgado y Valensuela.
Marriage Dipensation Guadalajara, Diocesis de Guadalajara, matrimonios 1700-1705 Source number 168605/159-162.
Through information from Nuestros Ranchos I also have validation that when widowed Francisco Delgado married Juana Delgado y Valensuela in 1700 at Pinos, Zacatecas.
I would appreciate help in finding documentation to continue my tree!
Carolina
Hello Everyone,
I have hit a wall regarding Nicolas Sanchez Moreno and Maria Flores who had in Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco
A)Pedro Jose b. 1713
B)Luisa (Moreno) b. 1715 m. to Ylario Parada on 21 Jan 1734 in Lagos
C)Ana Maria b. 1717
D)Jose b. 1719
E)Miguel Tomas b. 1721 m. Maria Antonia Dias on 18 February 1743 in Atotonilco el Alto
F)Maria Francisca b. 1723
G)Juana Quieteria b. 1725
H)Maria Guadalupe b. 1728 m. to Jose Antonio Munoz on 4 Feb 1744 in Lagos
I)Antonio Teodicio b. 1730
and in La Barca, Jalisco
A)Lorenza de los Santos b. 1731
B)Jose Joaquin b. 1734
C)Jose b. 1737
If anyone knows anything more about the families of Nicolas or Maria I'd be really grateful for the help. Thank You!
Do any of you have parents or grandparents raised in the section houses of
the Santa Fe RR during the 1920s to 1950s in San Bernardino or Riverside
Counties? These would have included San Bernardino (4th St), Verdemont,
Keenbrook, Cajon, Summit, Hesperia, Oro Grande, Hodge, Barstow, Redlands,
Menifee, Box Springs, Riverside (not an exhaustive list). Spurred by a
reference to the section workers in the latest Somos Primos, I've decided
to use the family info I've already collected, supplement it, and write at
least one article to document this short-lived way of life. My parents
grew up in the section houses and most of my male relatives for two
generations worked at some time for the Santa Fe. There is little to
nothing written about life in the section houses, and photos are rare.
Unfortunately, most families were too poor to own a camera and those that
did were not thinking of documenting their housing.
If you have any stories or photos to share, please email me. Thanks so
much.
Raquel Ruiz
ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
What does the Abreviated name stand for . Jph. Antta. found in a mexico Baptism record.
Research request for Vigil, de Herrera Cantillana, Jimenez de Ancizo and
unknown single woman in Zacatecas area
Confirmation of birth dates, baptisms, marriage dates
When they arrived in New Spain
Related history while in Zacatecas
Juan Montes Vigil, II was born in 1600 in Feligrasa de San Martino de Siero,
Castilla, Spain and died Before 1682 in Vecinos Mexico City. He sailed from
Spain and arrived in Nueva Espana in Jun 20 1611.
Father: Juan Montes Vigil, I was born in 1570 in Siero,
Asturias, Asturias, Spain and died on an unknown date in Spain
Mother: Maria Vigil [de Vigil] was born About 1570 in
Siero, Asturias, Asturias, Spain and died on an unknown date.
Catalina Vigil [de Herrera Cantillana] born in 1600 in San Martino de
Siero, Asturias, Spain, Married Juan Montes II Died in 1619 in Zacatecas New
Spain and died in 1682 in Mexico City, Districto Federal Mexico..
Father? Would like to know more about th de Herrera
Cantillana genealogoy
Mother?
Juan Montes Vigil, III was born in 1620 in Zacatecas New Spain and died in
Oct. 1682 in Zacatecas New Spain. He met Single Woman Unknown.
Who was the Mother of Francisco?
Who was in the household?
Francisco Montes Vigil was born in 1666 in El Real de Zacatecas, New Spain
and died on Sep. 11, 1730 in Santa Cruz Santa Fe New Mexico.
Maria Vigil [Jimenez de Ancizo] was born in 1668 ? in El Real Zacatecas
Married Francisco Montes Vigil 1682 or 1683? in Zacatecas New Spain. Nov.
19, 1745 in Santa Cruz de la Canada New Mexico
Father? Would like to know more about Jimenez de Ancizo family
Mother?
children born to Francisco and Maria in Zacatecas
Domingo Montes Vigil 1693 Augas Calientes, Zacatecas
Maria De La Concepcion 1684
Were there any other family members or household who traveled with
them to New Mexico?
Children born in Santa Cruz de la Canada New Mexico:
Pedro Policarpio Montes 1687
Manuel Montes 1701
Francisco Montes II 1702
Gertrudis Montes Vigil 1704
Juan Montes iv
Eloena
Thank you very much for your assistance! We are very excited to learn more
about our family!
Regards,
Tricia Carrillo, PMP
949 6831776
triciac@cox.net
Igesia San Jose, Calvillo,Ags. Bautismos. January 26, 1855. The image is Number 14 of 61 images entry No. 22. Ydelfonsa de Altagracia hija legitima de Refugio Lopez y Margarita Serna, The Abuelos Paternos, Victoriano Lopez y Petra Velasco. The Abuelos Maternos Jose Maria Serna y ********* Valdivia.
Any clarification appreciated, or other decendants of this Family
Buscando Informacion de una pareja que encontre los Bautismos de Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa del Refugio, Tabasco, Zacatecas. Ellos fueron los padrinos de Macedonio de La Cerna Sept. 14, 1814.
I am seeking any information on this couple that were mentioned as godparents for Macedonio de la Cerna at Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa Del Refugio, Tabasco, Zac.
Sept 14, 1814.
Again, thank you so much for your help. I am so happy. Helen
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> Helen:
>
> Here is another interesting entry that may or may not be your ancestor but the
> dates seem to match and the fact that this woman's father's name was Tiburcio
> makes me think that the information in my previous message which was included in
> the IGI from an individual's pedigree rather than an actual extraction of a
> record may be incorrect... both Hermengildo's father's name and perhaps the
> location of the marriage.
>
> If this is the correct Simona Richarte, the name Tiburcio in your family comes
> from the Richarte side not the Femat side. You should also note that Femat is
> spelled Femad, Fermad, Fermat, etc. in the records.
>
> MARIA SIMONA RICHARTE MACIAS
> Christening: 23 FEB 1834 Cienega De Mata, Ojuelos, Jalisco, Mexico
> Father: TIBURCIO RICHARTE Family
> Mother: MICHAELA MACIAS
> IGI Batch: C607045 Film 0640156
Hello fellow reseachers
I found a marriage dispensa recently indexed, with the following information:
Don Pedro Romo de Vivar married to Dona Lorenza Tiscareno
Don Baltazar Romo (wife not named)
Don Joseph Cayetano Romo de Vivar married to Dona Juana de la Cruz, Martin del Campo
Don Ignacio Noverto Romo - pretenzo
Don Geronimo Romo de Vivar married to Dona Margarita Tiscareno
Don Joseph Romo (wife not named)
Dona Anna Romo de Vivar married to Don Joseph Manuel de la Mora Hurtado de Mendoza
Dona Anna Joachina de la Mora Hurtado de Mendoza Romo de Vivar - pretenza
Pedro and Geronimo were brothers.
Lorenza and Margarita were sisters.
Testigos:
Don Francisco Moran de Ledesma
Don Thomas Gonzales de Hermosillo
Don Joseph Gonzales de Hermosillo (77 years old!)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18403-13192-65?cc=1874591&wc…
Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic...Church Records, 1590-1995
Guadalajara
Diócesis de Guadalajara
Matrimonios 1653-1829
Image 354 of 625
Maybe no one is looking for this, but who knows?
The intersting thing is that the people who are the subject of the dispensa are described as "nobles de notarias obligaciones" and it is also stated that they have serious problems finding a suitable partner because they are each related to the other noble families of the region. This may be of interest to those who descend from Ana Gabay (could it be referring to Petronila de Moctezuma?) or maybe its a reference to the Hurtado de Mendoza line?
I am still trying to find out if Don Raphael Romo - father of Don Miguel Romo of Aguascalientes but married in Nadadores - is the same as Don Raphael Femat of Zacatecas/Ojocalientes. Currently searching the Informaciones Matrimoniales for Zacatecas 1792-93 (have searched 93-94 and 94-95) for a proposed marriage with Joachina de Salas. She was Raphael Femats second wife, and his first wifes name should be mentioned there. If it is Rafaela Aguilar (Miguel Romo's mother, and he is listed as hijo lexitimo in his marriage record), that would solve the mystery for me, and I would also know how this Raphael links up to the Romos of Aguascalientes. If its not, back to square one!
Regards
Denise Fastrup
Hi everybody,
I have decided that i want to help index dispensas records.I sent a message to the Guadalajara Dispensas email but they have not replied and it's been a week already.I also want to help index baptisms and marriage records for Nochistlan from the years 1900 and up ,but I have no clue where to go.Can someone please help me and show me a direction to get me started in indexing?
Buenas tardes,
Estoy buscando información sobre DIEGO MACIAS VALADEZ, casado con Tomasa de Chavez, el 12 de febrero de 1673 en Aguascalientes.
Ella es hija de Pedro Fragoso de Chávez y María López de Nava. Los padres de Diego aún no los he encontrado, pero sospecho podrían ser Nicolás Macías Valadez y María de Sordia.
Sus hijos nacieron y casaron en Teocaltiche y Nochistlán.
Saludos!
Alejandro G. García
Hi there team,
I'm having such a hard time reading and understanding this dispensa so if anyone can please help thanks.=]
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18413-93397-56?cc=1874591&wc…
Pioquinto Garcia & Estefana De Yslas
The baptism is 25 May 1860. It's in Family Search. You have to order the index C60385-9.
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3. Re: Chavez (Misty)
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Hi. My name is Bernie Chavez.I am researching My familywhich are from the area around Guadalajara, Jalisco. Specifically, my great-grandfather, Bernardino Chavez and his parents, Cenofio Chavez and Cristina (Magallanes) Chavez all lived in this area.
Bernardino was, according to family lore, cristened In May of 1860 in the Parroquia de San Jose de Analco in Guadalajara. Not much else is known about his life in Mexico apart from that. We do know that he crossed the border around the time of the revolution, 1909 or 1910.
My great grandmother, Luz (Mendoza) Chavez was born in or around 1891 to Eleno and Cruzita Mendoza. again, not much is known of her, either. We are sure that she lived in Jalisco, but most family stories about her are not clear where in the state.
I would greatly appreciate any help you have to offer.
thanks,
Bernie Chavez
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Welcome to our group Bernie. I'm glad to have a fellow Chavez working with us. My Chaves line is from Atoyac and Teocuitatlan de Corona in Jalisco ...
about an hour west of Guadalajara, hopefully we can make some sort of connection.
Your message speaks of family lore ... have you found his baptismal record yet?
-Angelina-
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Bernie...Welcome to the group.
I found a marriage record for Cenobio Chavez and Cristina Magallanas
29 December 1858 - in Guadalajara - San Jose de Analco -film M603868
They are also listed in Matrimonios 1857-1868 - from the heading of Guadalajara then Parroquia de San Jose de Analco - Image 550 -
I am unable to decipher the names of the parents of Cenobio & Christina, who are listed in this document hopefully, one of the primos on Nuestros Ranchos can be of further assistance in reading the document.
Best wishes in your new journey.....
Helyn
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Chavez
I just wanted to let you all know that Dr. Jean Stuntz' Speech for the
Los Béxareños August meeting is available on the Nuestra Familia Unida
podcast project:
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com/podcast/mujer.html
Please listen to this very informative speech on her book, Hers, His,
and Theirs: Community Property Law in Spain and Early Texas (Lubbock:
Texas Tech University Press, 2005), the history of San Antonio, and some
of the myths concerning Hispanic contribution to US history.
. . .While you are in the "Mujer" section of the podcast listen to Dr.
Frances Karttunen's "Rethinking Malinche" presentation that will
definitely give you some realistic ideas of the situation in which Doña
Marina found herself.
Also navigate around the http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com site and listen
to other audio related to Latin American History. If you can think of
individuals that hold knowledge of our history I would ask that you
forward them my invitation to participate in the podcast.
The audio should play if you just click on the URL on the webpage, but
If anyone has any problems listening to or downloading the audio please
try right clicking on the URL on the site and saving to your Desktop.
Once it's downloaded then right click again and choose "open with" and
then choose whatever Audio program you are using on your computer:
iTunes, Windows Media Player, QuickTime, RealAudioPlayer, MusicMatch,
etc. or you can email me for more help: makas@nc.rr.com
thanks,
Joseph Puentes
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com
ps: consider joining the planning committee for the NFU podcast project:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/podhi/
The online films for marriages for Ojo Calientes, Zacatecas date from 1861, which is consistent with the LDS Family History Library catalog. Matrimonial investigations exist (and are online) from the early 1700s.
Do the early marriage records exist?
George Fulton
En La Parroquia del Sagrario á treinta de Setiembre de mil ochocientos ochocenta y nueve, el Pbro. D. Esteban Alvares, de licentia Parochi, Bautismo solemente á una nina nacida en Zacatecas el treinta de Agosto á las Cuatro de la manana; hija legitima de Jose Ynes Rodriguez y de Geronima Ramirez y á quien puso por nombre Rosa. Abuelos Patemos Juan y Francisca Alva. Abuelos Matemos Ygnacio y Teofila Espinosa P. Horberto Guzman y Serapia del mismo apellida.
I may have some words spelled miscorrectly. Is it saying that Horberto Guzman and Serapia have same surnames or is it Rodriguez and why does it mention them after Teofila P. Espinosa? Thank you for your help. Monica
Hi everyone,
I found the death certificate of my 3rd great grandfather he died in (1913). On the record it says he was a comerciante. This surprised me because this is the first ancestor that I have found where labrador or jornalero is not listed as the profession.. Does any one know how important or significant the profession of comerciante was in the early 1900's?
Thanks,
Rafael
Just wondering - I found the marriage record (1688) where both my 8th GGF and GGM are listed as children of the church. Does anyone know the significance of this? Are they orphans? Did they come over from Spain with the Church? This is the first record that I find with this mention.
Thanks,
Ed
Espanol
Tengo curiosidad. Encontre el matrimonio de mis abuelos en 1688 - y tienen en el resumen del matrimonio como "hijo (e hija) de la iglesia." Esta es la primera vez que encuentro un documento que dice esto. Saben el significado? Son huerfanos? O vinieron de Espana con la iglesia? Esta es la primera vez que veo algo asi.
Gracias,
Eduardo
The above-captioned individuals are padrinos at the baptism of Carlos Ximénes de Castro in Lagos de Moreno in 1648; can anyone shed some documented light on who they are, and what relationship they have to the infant, Carlos, hijo legitimo de Antonio Ximénes de Castro y de Doña María Lópes de Lara?
Saludos,
Lawrence Bouett