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Los Cuervos?

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Does anyone know where Los Cuervos might be located or might have been located back in the early 1800's? I have a tia who is 83 years old and she was in San Jose this Thanksgiving weekend and mentioned that she had heard that my GGGrandfather Prudencio Olmos had split from the Olmos family back in the early 1800's and that as a result of that split there may have been two separate Olmos families that originated in Los Cuervos. One branch stayed put and the other was established in Nochistlan Zac. but she doesn't know if Los Cuervos is in Jalisco, Zacatecas or Aguascalientes.

Thanks, any help would be appreciated........Alicia Carrillo........San Jose, Ca

 
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Jose Luis Vasquez

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Joseph,
 
Jose Luis Vasquez de Frias is the gentleman I tried to contact to see if he would be willing to interview for your podcast series. He wrote a book, ''Geneaologia de Nochistlan''. I tried making contact with him via expired e-mail addresses and was un-successful on all attempts.
 
Alicia Carrillo, San Jose, Ca
 

Joseph Puentes wrote:

His name is so right on the end of my memory lobe. . .ah, who is he
again? An Author, que no?

Well here I go getting nosey. . .what are you contacting him for? Well
forget that question. If you do get ahold of him maybe you can mention
to him that I would like to invite him to visit the
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com podcast. Maybe he would consider working
on a submission to the project.

thanks Charles,

joseph

Charles Clark wrote:

>Does anyone know Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias' current e-mail and
>postal address, and telephone number? Please send. I lost his book and would
>like to replace it.
>
>Sincerely,
>
> 
>



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Hello Charles,
 
If you make contact with Jose Luis Vasquez via this address, could you please let us know if you did, as I had tried to contact him through various old e-mail addresses he had posted on roots-web and all of them were invalid.
 
Thanks, Alicia Carrillo de San Jose, Ca

readysetgo95814 wrote:

Hi Charles,

This is the e-mail address I have for Jose Luis: 
asturias_vazquez@...

It may or may not be current since I haven't corresponded with him in
a couple of years.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Clark" wrote:
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> Does anyone know Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias' current e-
mail and
> postal address, and telephone number? Please send. I lost his book
and would
> like to replace it.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Charles Clark
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> To:
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> Subject: [ranchos] Digest Number 676
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Jose Luis Vasquez

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His name is so right on the end of my memory lobe. . .ah, who is he
again? An Author, que no?

Well here I go getting nosey. . .what are you contacting him for? Well
forget that question. If you do get ahold of him maybe you can mention
to him that I would like to invite him to visit the
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com podcast. Maybe he would consider working
on a submission to the project.


thanks Charles,

joseph

Charles Clark wrote:

Does anyone know Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias' current e-mail and
postal address, and telephone number? Please send. I lost his book and would
like to replace it.


Sincerely,

Need help with title.

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--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "John Gonzalez" 1gnzlz@v...> wrote:
>
> While digging my roots I came across this: " Br. Pbro. Diego Gonzalez 
> de Hermosillo. "
> 
> I know what Pbro. means: Presbitero. But what is the Br. stands for? 

I believe it refers to a secondary degree, bachiller. For example, see http://
www.musicologiavenezolana.com/bperezr/cuerpo4.htm

I have see this designation often in old records from Mesquitic area.

Ed
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Need help with title.

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Thank you  Ed for your response to my
question about the meaning of "Br."  Other members of the group have also
come up with the answer, Bachiller.
 
Thanks to all of you.
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AM
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Need help with
title.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "John
Gonzalez" 1gnzlz@v...>
wrote:
>
> While digging my roots I came across this: " Br. Pbro.
Diego Gonzalez
> de Hermosillo. "
>
> I know what Pbro.
means: Presbitero. But what is the Br. stands for?

I believe it refers
to a secondary degree, bachiller. For example, see http://
www.musicologiavenezolana.com/bperezr/cuerpo4.htm

I
have see this designation often in old records from Mesquitic
area.

Ed




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Hi Charles,

This is the e-mail address I have for Jose Luis:  
asturias_vazquez@...

It may or may not be current since I haven't corresponded with him in 
a couple of years.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Charles Clark"  wrote:
>
> Does anyone know Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias' current e-
mail and 
> postal address, and telephone number? Please send. I lost his book 
and would 
> like to replace it.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Charles Clark
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> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 5:40 AM
> Subject: [ranchos] Digest Number 676
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> There are 15 messages in this issue.
> 
> Topics in this digest:
> 
>       1. Need help with title.
>            From: "John Gonzalez" 1gnzlz@v...>
>       2. Re: "Ranchos Support Fund"
>            From: Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes 
>       3. Re: Need help with title.
>            From: "Emilie Garcia"
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Gonzalez from Jerez, Zacatecas, WAS Re: [ranchos] Br. Abbreviation.

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Dear John,

(I've always wondered what it felt like to write that!:P) My Cenobio was born in Jerez around 1846, and I don't know if he was an only child or youngest or middle or oldest son. I found matrimonial information pertaining to his first marriage in 1864. His first wife was Eleuteria Tovar and she was 15 to his 18 years. They had the following children: Josepha, Candelaria, Jesus, and Herlindo (1878).



My great-grandmother, Francisca Saldivar, was his second wife. With her, he had Paula (1883), Matteo, Jose (1899), Juan, Altagracia (1894), Sarah, and Francisco. Hope we can connect somehow. Marge:)

On Nov 26, 2005, at 10:09 PM, John Gonzalez wrote:


Hi Margarita:

My grandmother was from Jerez and her last name was Gonzalez.  I have not had a chance to start looking in that area yet.  Her name was Apolonia Gonzalez married to Preciliano Cerros.  About 1880...

 

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Does anyone know Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias' current e-mail and
postal address, and telephone number? Please send. I lost his book and would
like to replace it.


Sincerely,

Charles Clark

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To: 
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 5:40 AM
Subject: [ranchos] Digest Number 676



There are 15 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

     1. Need help with title.
          From: "John Gonzalez" 1gnzlz@...>
     2. Re: "Ranchos Support Fund"
          From: Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes 
     3. Re: Need help with title.
          From: "Emilie Garcia" 
     4. Re: Need help with title.
          From: "John Gonzalez" 1gnzlz@...>
     5. Re: "Ranchos Support Fund"
          From: Alicia Carrillo 
     6. RE: "Ranchos Support Fund"
          From: "Irma GomezLucero" 
     7. Re: "Ranchos Support Fund"
          From
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1550: Suave!!!

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John Gonzalez wrote:

I can give a very brief account of
what I've been doing, but I feel that being able to go back  about 455
 years was mostly luck and the fact that my ancestors stayed in the
same town  (Jalostotitlan, Jal.)  for that whole period.  From about
1550 to 1917 , when my Grandfather brought his family to California. 
 
I got started with the family tree
about 5 months ago, not knowing anything at all about findings roots
and doing  research.  I was surfing the internet one day and just
happened to run into the Ranchos web site.  I noticed that the area of
research being done by the group was mainly in Los Altos and
sorrounding areas.  I only had one piece of information when I started, and that was that my grandfather was
from Jalisco and that he had been born in 1875.
 
I went to visit a cousin, who is
80 plus years old,  to see if I could get him to tell me something
about the family. I found out that the family was from Jalostotitlan,
and
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Gonzalez from Jerez, Zacatecas, WAS Re: [ranchos] Br. Abbreviation.

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Hi Margarita:

My grandmother was from Jerez and her last name
was Gonzalez.  I have not had a chance to start looking in that area
yet.  Her name was Apolonia Gonzalez married to Preciliano
Cerros.  About 1880...

 



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Is anyone else besides me descended from Cenobio Gonzalez? His parents are Prudencio Gonzalez and Severiana Salcedo. I'm stuck there, can't find anything about their parents! Any of you Gonzalezes out there connected to them? Help! Marge V:)



On Nov 26, 2005, at 8:43 PM, John Gonzalez wrote:


Thank you for the information Jose.

Have you researched your "GONZALEZ" side of your family yet?

I am a Gonzalez from the "Gonzalez de Hermosillo" from Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

 

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Br. Abbreviation.

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Thank you for the information Jose.
Have you researched your "GONZALEZ" side of your
family yet?
I am a Gonzalez from the "Gonzalez de Hermosillo"
from Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. 
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PM
Subject: [ranchos] Br.
Abbreviation.

Hi John:
The "Br." abbreviation is meaning to "Bachiller" (Bachelor).
Success!
JRGL.
Mexico City.
 
John Gonzalez wrote:
While digging my roots I came across this: " Br. Pbro. Diego Gonzalez

de Hermosillo. "
I know what Pbro. means: Presbitero. But what is the Br. stands for?
I know it is a religious title.  Is there any member out there that
has
any idea or can suggest a resource to look it up?  Any help will
be
greatly appreciated.  The subject was my gggggg Grandfather from

Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.
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I can give a very brief account of what I've been
doing, but I feel that being able to go back  about 455  years was
mostly luck and the fact that my ancestors stayed in the same town 
(Jalostotitlan, Jal.)  for that whole period.  From about 1550 to 1917
, when my Grandfather brought his family to California. 
 
I got started with the family tree about 5 months
ago, not knowing anything at all about findings roots and doing 
research.  I was surfing the internet one day and just happened to run into
the Ranchos web site.  I noticed that the area of research being done by
the group was mainly in Los Altos and sorrounding areas.  I only had one
piece of information when I started,
and that was that my grandfather was from Jalisco and that he had been born in
1875.
 
I went to visit a cousin, who is 80 plus years
old,  to see if I could get him to tell me something about the family.
I found out that the family was from Jalostotitlan, and that they had come to
California
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Br. Abbreviation.

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Hi John:
The "Br." abbreviation is meaning to "Bachiller" (Bachelor).
Success!
JRGL.
Mexico City.
 
John Gonzalez wrote:
While digging my roots I came across this: " Br. Pbro. Diego Gonzalez
de Hermosillo. "
I know what Pbro. means: Presbitero. But what is the Br. stands for?
I know it is a religious title.  Is there any member out there that has
any idea or can suggest a resource to look it up?  Any help will be
greatly appreciated.  The subject was my gggggg Grandfather from
Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

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La mejor conexión a Internet y 2GB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes. http://net.yahoo.com.mx
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Questions for Colotlan interview

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great questions thanks Ed. . .I'll be using many if not all.



thanks,



joseph







Edward Serros wrote:

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All the Colotlan and nearby area researchers of this group. Help me come 
up with some interview questions for these Historiadores.

what do you want to know?

joseph


    
 
1. What is the mining history of Colotlan?
2. Were the inhabitants of Colotlan and nearby areas migratory in nature, looking for the 
best jobs they could?
3. Did the Native American Indians of Colotlan survive? Are they still there?
4. Is it true the haciendas turned over every three generations?
5. What percent of the population in the 1700's and 1800's actually lived in the "city", like 
Colotlan vis-á-vis on the small ranches/haciendas?
6. How did Colotlan compare in the 1700's and 1800's to the major cities of Guadalajuara 
and Mexico City?
7. Who were the important figures in Colotlan history, both Spanish and Native
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John Gonzalez wrote:

Br. Pbro. Diego Gonzalez de Hermosillo was
in charge of the Church ( Templo San Jose) in Teocaltiche, Jal.  But my
guess is that he was either a son or a brother of my  ggggg
granfather.  I'll probably find out later.  I am related to Santo
Toribio Romo. Third cousin, once removed.  Have you ever heard of this
Saint?  Santo Toribio Romo was from Santa Ana, Jalisco, just outside of
Jalos.  They have just placed some of his relics in the new (remodeled)
Cathedral in Sacramento!   He is the patron saint of the immigrants.
 
By the way...Last week I was able to trace
my ancestry all the way back to about 1550 !!!

Suave! 1550. . .wow. give us the details. You don't have to tell every
little detail but some of them would be great. Maybe some could pick up
some points in doing their own genealogy research.



. . .and just a thought. I don't believe that you can say you have hit
a wall until you have thoroughly examined all those records you
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"Ranchos Support Fund"

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Irma GomezLucero wrote:

Hi Joseph,
    What would these funds be used
for.  I'm not real clear on this...

Well the support committee would be making the final decision on that.
But my reason for suggesting the funds creation was to have small
stipends available to send to members of the Ranchos group that found
themselves in need. And for causes that would directly benefit the
purpose of the Ranchos group. We would all be able to submit
suggestions for the use of the funds but the committee would make the
final decision on the distribution.



joseph

Irma


From:
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Of Joseph Puentes

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:04 PM

To: LosRanchos

Subject: [ranchos] "Ranchos Support Fund"


For now we are over a hundred members strong.  I would like to run
something past you that is open for discussion. Would anyone object to
having a completely optional "Ranchos Support Fund"?



I was
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"Ranchos Support Fund"

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Hi Joseph,
    What would these funds be used for.  I'm
not real clear on this...
Irma


From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph
Puentes
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:04 PM
To:
LosRanchos
Subject: [ranchos] "Ranchos Support
Fund"

For now we are over a hundred members strong.  I would like to
run something past you that is open for discussion. Would anyone object to
having a completely optional "Ranchos Support Fund"?

I was thinking if a
few of us sent in a few buck we might be able to have $100 stipends available to
send off to members that are in need or for projects that are supportive of the
Ranchos Group. This effort would need a volunteer "use" committee which would
have at least 3 members (no ties) and one of those would be a treasurer to hold
the funds. Before the "use" committee would decide on a "use" they would bring
up the use for group discussion. but after the discussion the decision for the
use would be made by
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"Ranchos Support Fund"

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I hope everyone had or is still having a good holiday and I too contribute $25.00 to the support fund. Just let me know where and when to send it.
 
Con mis mejores deseos para todos........Alicia Carrillo de San Jose, Ca

Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes wrote:
Joseph,
If all are in agreement I think this is a good idea.  You can count me for a $25 pledge.

Olivia
So. Calif.

Joseph Puentes wrote:

For now we are over a hundred members strong. I would like to run
something past you that is open for discussion. Would anyone object to
having a completely optional "Ranchos Support Fund"?

I was thinking if a few of us sent in a few buck we might be able to
have $100 stipends available to send off to members that are in need or
for projects that are supportive of the Ranchos Group. This effort would
need a volunteer "use" committee which would have at least 3 members (no
ties) and one of those would be a treasurer to hold the funds. Before
the "use" committee would decide on a

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Br. Pbro. Diego Gonzalez de Hermosillo was in charge of
the Church ( Templo San Jose) in Teocaltiche, Jal.  But my guess
is that he was either a son or a brother of my  ggggg
granfather.  I'll probably find out later.  I am related to Santo
Toribio Romo. Third cousin, once removed.  Have you ever heard of this
Saint?  Santo Toribio Romo was from Santa Ana, Jalisco, just outside
of Jalos.  They have just placed some of his relics in the new (remodeled)
Cathedral in Sacramento!   He is the patron saint of the
immigrants.
 
By the way...Last week I was able to trace my ancestry
all the way back to about 1550 !!!   11 generations and Iam still in
Jalostotitlan! but I hit the wall...I guess Iam going to have to start
looking in a different direction now.
 
Thank you for your help Emilie.
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John,

 

According to Google "Br. Pbro." means Bachiller Presbitero.  You had a
priest as an ancestor?  Or was he a professor of some kind?

 

Emilie Garcia

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title.


While digging my roots I came across this: " Br. Pbro.
Diego Gonzalez
de Hermosillo. "

I know what Pbro. means:
Presbitero. But what is the Br. stands for?

I know it is a religious
title.  Is there any member out there that has
any idea or can
suggest a resource to look it up?  Any help will be
greatly
appreciated.  The subject was my gggggg Grandfather from

Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.



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Joseph,
If all are in agreement I think this is a good idea.  You can count me for a $25 pledge.

Olivia
So. Calif.

Joseph Puentes wrote:
For now we are over a hundred members strong. I would like to run
something past you that is open for discussion. Would anyone object to
having a completely optional "Ranchos Support Fund"?

I was thinking if a few of us sent in a few buck we might be able to
have $100 stipends available to send off to members that are in need or
for projects that are supportive of the Ranchos Group. This effort would
need a volunteer "use" committee which would have at least 3 members (no
ties) and one of those would be a treasurer to hold the funds. Before
the "use" committee would decide on a "use" they would bring up the use

for group discussion. but after the discussion the decision for the use
would be made by the committee.

If this is something that you all would consider going forward on then I
would like to nominate Kitty Cortez to be one of
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While digging my roots I came across this: " Br. Pbro. Diego Gonzalez 
de Hermosillo. "

I know what Pbro. means: Presbitero. But what is the Br. stands for? 

I know it is a religious title.  Is there any member out there that has 
any idea or can suggest a resource to look it up?  Any help will be 
greatly appreciated.  The subject was my gggggg Grandfather from 
Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.
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Comida

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On thing I've noticed since this group was
started and that is if there is ever a lack of participation all I have
to do is say anything at all about Comida and watch out I'm about
stampeded with people rushing to send messages.



I guess I said all that only to say that I need some content for my
Nuestra Familia Unida podcast project "Comida" section. Does anyone
here feel comfortable working with me to create an audio file on some
aspect of Historical Mexican Food? It could be a reading from a book,
it could be reading some short oral history of your family related to
some food and then the recipe. It could be a talk about how the food
preparation was an integral part of your families history. I think you
all get my point. Let me know if anyone is interested. . .I'll call you
and we can discuss it further off the list. the list will be able to
hear the finished product at the
http://nuestrafamiliaunida.com/podcast/comida.html page.



also I'm still looking for contributors for the
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