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ORAL HISTORY

Recently I went to the library at UTEP in El Paso and discovered two 
interesting projects, one which deals with oral history and 
basically dealing with their memories of life in El Paso and of 
course how they lived back in the early 1930s, 40s, etc.  My cousins 
grandmother was interviewed and recorded. The conversation was later 
transcribed and is available to the public. The second discovery 
were the files of Cleofas Calleros. During the 1940s, people who 
lived in in the US and were originally from Mexico would go to his 
office for documentation if they needed to go into the interior of 
Mexico. In these records I found pictures of my four grandparents, 
uncles,aunts,cousins and inlaws. Some of the documents give place of 
birth, place, parents, spouse and their prsent adddress. They even 
include a brief physical description.  WOW! what a find, they also 
made copies for me. Just visit the 6th floor at UTEP Library but be 
prepared with list of names and plenty of time. The

Did You Get It?

Was not able to access it.

 

Maria Gutierrez-Uhlenburg


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Joseph Puentes


Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 4:16
AM

Subject: [ranchos] Did You Get It?



Did you get an email with the subject "Ranchos2 Maintenance
(2)"? some did some didn't. We have 59 members in the Ranchos group But 72
members of the original Ranchos group.  that means that 13 of you all are
not benefitting from membership to the Ranchos2 group and all the information
in the "Files" area of that group.

So if you didn't get that "Ranchos2
Maintenance (2)" email you need to contact me so I can send you an invitation
to join the Ranchos 2 group.

joseph


Did You Get It?

Joseph, I didn't get that Ranchos2 maintenance message
and I just tried to access Ranchos2 and I was not
allowed. Can you send me the invitation again? Looks
like last time it did not work.

Guillermo. 

--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> 
> Did you get an email with the subject "Ranchos2
> Maintenance (2)"? some 
> did some didn't. We have 59 members in the Ranchos
> group But 72 members 
> of the original Ranchos group.  that means that 13
> of you all are not 
> benefitting from membership to the Ranchos2 group
> and all the 
> information in the "Files" area of that group.
> 
> So if you didn't get that "Ranchos2 Maintenance (2)"
> email you need to 
> contact me so I can send you an invitation to join
> the Ranchos 2 group.
> 
> joseph
> 



		
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Hi, Joseph. My email address is valhdez@....

Guillermo Valdez.


--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm trying to put your email address on your file,
> but I can't seem to 
> find your email address. Can you email me privately
> with your email address.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Joseph Puentes
> Ranchos Moderator
> 
> 
> 



		
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Menudo, whose feet ? and pozole

Hi Steven,
    Actually my dad has a lot
of hang ups about mixing things.  Dairy products and meat, etc.,  I
attribute it to his Perez line which is suppose to be Sephardic.  My mother
is not Perez, well wait a minute....  she is Gallo or Perez-Gallo, never
mind!!  Maybe this is where it comes from.  Their other reasoning for
not adding pig's feet is that it makes the broth very greasy.  I have to
agree with them.  I don't particularly like having greasy lips after eating
a meal.  Ha ha.  I'm guessing the the Beef feet must be a Jalos/San
Juan de los Lagos thing too.  Menudo is often served with beef feet. 
You'll have to visit!  My folks have also said the same as you about hominy
in menudo, and tortillas not being eaten with pozole.
    We also have pozole quite
regularly, but again it is very, very lean pork.  Greasy broths are a
big no-no.  I know that lemon is suppose to cut the grease, but it would
take a lot of lemon to cut the grease in menudo with patas de

Was Menudo - Famine



sounds like I'm coming to Steven's house for menudo (that was an
invitation wasn't it? kinda sounded like it to me if you read a little
between the lines). Sorry about changing and going off topic but the
Chihuahua version of Menudo had the whole thing pansa, hominy, chile
broth, a broth made with tomatillo, some secret spices, garnished with
oregano, onion and squeezes of Limon. Topped off with piles of homemade
Tortillas de Harina.



The thing about not mixing Corn tortillas with other things that had
corn was also practiced in my family but never with menudo because we
used to eat the flour tortillas and not corn tortillas with it. Usually
when it came to eating Chilaquiles which was cut up corn tortillas with
a very nice chile sauce topped with cheese [which of course all my life
being the fat boy I couldn't help but eat with additional corn
tortillas much to the aggravation of my mom].



But as far as the "Sweetbreads" go . . .shucks I never ate that stuff
back then, but

Menudo

My family is from the Ocotlan area and Los Altos de Jalisco, and among us the favorite is menudo, which as you know is beef tripe (panza) stew.  Although we don't have it that often, menudo can be eaten with a heck of a lot more than just panza.  Once when I was in Ocotlan, Jalisco, at my dad's cousin's house, I got served menudo con bofe, which are, I believe, lungs, pancreas, and spleen (also known as sweetbreads).  And I know what you're probably thinking...YUM YUM!  Sound's rather raunchy if you ask me, but I had it anyway, and it wasn't half bad.  With lots of oregano, onions, cilantro, lemon, crushed chile, and tortillas, it tasted just like regular menudo, only the "meat" had a different texture and was much softer than panza.  All this stuff, and menudo in general, is the cure for what ails you and can cure hanovers.
 
I have never heard of putting pata de res in anything, much less menudo.  It is by far more common to have it with pata de puerco, or even tendon, which is

Menudo and nopales?


Wow cool, I can just taste the Menudo and the history you related makes
me really think. Now your Great Grandmother had to learn her culinary
skills from someone. . .maybe her mom? Reasonable assumption wouldn't
you say. I'd just love to learn why some recipes came about. . .meaning
the social forces at work at different time periods. Maybe at certain
times there was an abundance of hominy but no pigs and some of the
different recipes started to develope. I wish we could find history
books that might trace the food from the specific areas of "our"
research. Also I'd love to read more about the diseases that plagues our
areas. . .I remember looking over the death records for Santa Maria de
Los Angeles and found a group of over 100 people in a row that died of
Cholera in the 1830's. I could only imagine the horror of living there
at that time with disease all around you. I also read about some of the
horrific earth quakes that destroyed many of the iglesias in the late
17

Menudo

You add patas de puerco to your pozole, and ears, and toe nails (just kidding), but really just about everything goes - not me, I'd rather just keep the espinazo and puerco de lomo. 

 

Patas de rez go excellent with menudo - hmmm, it sounds excellent, although I usually only eat the tripe, but the patas make the soup extra special....

 

Espearanza

 

 

HTG/Reminder

I am one of the guilty parties that had not submitted my research and thanks to Joseph's
very tacktful reminder;  I DID IT.  Let's face it, sometimes it takes a deadline of sorts to encourage us to take the next step.  Yes, there should be strickter guidelines, otherwise researchers like me would to continue to procrastinate.  

Joseph Puentes wrote:


Irma sent me a Happy Thanksgiving note and greeting, well I'm a Turkey boy as on some years my birthday falls right on Thanksgiving but not this year. Well enough of that, Happy Thanksgiving to everyone, happy birthday to me, and bear with me as I start to sharpen my Axe for the holidays.
 
. . . .Sorry to be so blunt but this group is not a free ride for anyone. [mind you its almost free as in some communication will definitely buy you a by]. . .enough of the riddles. . . .
                 . . .if you haven't submitted your genealogy [as in never ever] you need to communicate with me as to when you are going to send it. When you