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DNA: Soy Indio Tambien!

Bien dicho Guillermo,



Yes if we can learn the different things that "Indios de nosotros" went
through and any of that history that will give us a good way to get an
idea of how we as individuals were molded via the attitudes and ideas
of those that were our forefathers. Maybe we can start a movement
within the group to post what they have with regards to our indian
roots from the Jalisco, Zacatecas and Aguascalientes area.



I'll contribute at least my 1/70th of an effort in sending along info
on our indios. . .maybe a few others can take a little time and study
some things and send then in for our edification.



Feliz Navidad Primos, Primas, companeros en buscando nuestros raices.



joseph



Guillermo Valdez wrote:

I honestly don't think anybody in this group is
searching for their mexican roots in the hopes of
finding out they only have "pure" european blood (if
anybody is, I'd feel sorry for them). 

What should make us proud is finding the mixture of
indian, white, etc

DNA: Soy Indio Tambien!

I honestly don't think anybody in this group is
searching for their mexican roots in the hopes of
finding out they only have "pure" european blood (if
anybody is, I'd feel sorry for them). 

What should make us proud is finding the mixture of
indian, white, etc., blood in us and to feel proud of
our traditions. We need to learn to appreciate the
struggles our ancestors have to pass through
(specially the indians) so we can be here sharing all
this in our group.

I am very proud of my mexican roots and that, to me,
means primarily indian blood. The european part of us
is inevitable, since our ancestors had to withstand
the white conquerors for some many centuries. But, I
proudly can say: Soy indio tambien! and a proud one as
well. And I intend to pass that on to my children,
since they will grow up in this great country and I
don't want them to forget where they come from and and
to lose their traditions.

Guillermo.
 
--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> 
> 
> alice wissing wrote

ONE LAST TRY

Sylvia, indeed, Los Altos are tall people. I inherited
my height (6' 4") from my ancestors from Los Altos
(Jalisco Highlands). What area in Los Altos is your
family from and what surnames???

Guillermo.

--- Sylvia Robles  wrote:

> 
> I in short am on the "bad girl" list for not yet
> posting my GEDOM 
> Data as of yet. I just lost my mother in law and
> have been fighting 
> one virus after another including, healing up my
> badly sprained 
> ankle.  This is my #3 attempt to use this thing
> right! I am descended 
> from grandparents from Teocaltihe, Jalisco and
> Pinos, Zacactecas. I 
> have travelled to both towns and collected
> substantial data and books 
> from region. I have oral tradition of Judio customs
> from Zacatecas 
> side whose journey to Merida, Yucatan was from
> Egypt. The family 
> owned several cattle ranches, a hacienda in Pinos
> and meat markets 
> throughout Jalisco, Aguacalientes and Zacatecas. 
> The Los Altos, side 
> which are in fact tall

Arambula es un apellido vasco.



Sylvia Robles wrote:

A new state assemblyman Juan Arambula from Fresno I believe just
took office. His family via an e-mail to a friend confirms his roots
from Los Altos.


seems that within this group we have a lot of political clout. subscribe
is one Senator, you probably are related to this assemblyman, I'm
related to two other CA congress people. Maybe if we all pulled together
we could get a genealogical bill enacted "or" something.


Have you tried to make a connection with Juan Arambula? Might try
working your Arambula's forward to see what branch he comes from.


joseph



Arambula es un apellido vasco.

Well go figure. Another Basque name.  Thank you for the information. In all the Basque listing of surnames I never came across this one.  I know my husbands family will be happy to know this.  From that region my paternal grandma was surnamed Velasco.  A new state assemblyman Juan Arambula from Fresno I believe just took office.  His family via an e-mail to a friend confirms his roots from Los Altos.

 

Again, thank you and I am anxious to delve into the materials you have.

Off Topic: Apologies - El Paso

Joseph, 
 

         I live in El Paso, how can I help?
Joseph Puentes wrote:

PLEASE CONTACT ME OFF LIST:

Can anyone that lives in El Paso, Texas that occassionally goes to the
UT El Paso for research please contact me as I have a favor to ask.
Seems that I found that a wonderful study guide exists and was hoping
someone could photocopy or digital camera copy it for me:

Partial name index to Archivos del Ayuntamiento de Chihuahua, ca.
1712-1813 :
MF 491, University Library, University of Texas at El Paso /

Cheryl English Martin

1999
English Book [1], 12, 7, 14, 4, 5, 6, 15, 2, 4, 3, 6, 14, 49 leaves ;
28 cm.
[El Paso, Tex.] : Cheryl English Martin,

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Title: Partial name index to Archivos del Ayuntamiento de Chihuahua,
ca. 1712-1813 :
MF 491

Off Topic: Apologies - El Paso

PLEASE CONTACT ME OFF LIST:



Can anyone that lives in El Paso, Texas that occassionally goes to the
UT El Paso for research please contact me as I have a favor to ask.
Seems that I found that a wonderful study guide exists and was hoping
someone could photocopy or digital camera copy it for me:



Partial name index to
Archivos del Ayuntamiento de Chihuahua, ca. 1712-1813 :



MF 491, University Library,
University of Texas at El Paso /

Cheryl English Martin

1999

English
Book Book
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leaves ; 28 cm.
[El Paso, Tex.] : Cheryl English Martin,


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    Misc. Dissertations: Jalisco





    Pacorro73@... wrote:

    Please, Joseph, tell me....  Where did you find this
    Dissertation Abstract?

    the database: "Dissertation Abstacts" check with your local library for
    it or your largest University library. there is another service called
    "Digital Dissertations" (I think?) that lets you purchase dissertations
    for something like $35 as of about a year ago. Prices may have changed.
    then again you can contact the specific library listed and ask them for
    ILL possibilities or if you have University borrowing privledges***
    then you can try to initiate a loan through them (I think ILL is more
    likely from one University to another rather than to a public library).
    Checking with the originiating libary will be your last resort as I'm
    sure for a $ you can make arrangements to have the dissertation sent to
    you even though if it is close enought (one was UCSD) you can just go
    there and look at it free (well thats the way its been for the
    libraries I've attended. . .check

    Misc. Dissertations: Jalisco

    Please, Joseph, tell me....  Where did you find this Dissertation Abstract?  I'ts simply fascinating!!!   So it's WASN'T JUST ME who noticed something interesting about the people of Los Altos de Jalisco.  The whole thing sounds very, very interesting!!  Reminds me very much of my own family's history.  Sounds like the author is undoubtedly an Alten~o himself.
     
    And notice the name of the author, Jose Orozco.  Must be one of my primos from the TELLO DE OROZCO clan, a descendant of the first Governor of Nueva Galicia, Doctor Geronimo de Orozco, to be sure.  I co-wrote a definitive article on the Tello de Orozco family of Nueva Galicia in SHHAR's Genealogical Journal, Vol. V (2003).
     
    When I did my Bachelor's Thesis back in 2001, I pointed out how the Cristero Rebellion was directly responsible for the "Los Altos Diaspora."  After the federal government rounded people up like cattle and relocated them to refugee camps outside Los Altos--and in many large cities like Leon, Ocotlan