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Mexico, Zacatecas, Río Grande - Church records



I did a couple of various searches and got the same results that you
probably got: nothing. I hope you continue searching and will one day
have the info open to you.



I hope you otherwise had a happy new year,



joseph



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I can see the following information won't help to much as it doesn't go
back far enough. . .then again maybe the church there was established
in 1828 and you have to look to the next bigger town to that area for
an earlier establishment:


Title

Registros parroquiales, 1828-1959

Authors

Iglesia Católica. Santa Elena de la Cruz (Río Grande, Zacatecas)
(Main Author)

Notes

Microfilme de manuscritos en el archivo parroquial.

Algunos registros incluyen índice.

Parish
registers of baptisms, confirmations, marriages, marriage petitions,
deaths, and other church records from Río Grande, Zacatecas, Mexico.

Some registers include an index.

Subjects

Mexico, Zacatecas, Río Grande - Church records

Format

Manuscript (On Film)

Language

Spanish

The Poll. . .in Progress



Amazing things continue to happen. . .its the new year and I just got
back from a most remarkable weekend in Atlanta. . .its amazing how even
an abundance of alcohol can't keep me from thinking about genealogy.
Seems that every barmaid was a possible cousin once I found out what
her historical ethnic roots were and compared them with my recent
multinational DNA results. Yes a most remarkable weekend in Atlanta!



. . .well thats not what I wish to continue on but the below poll
results are. Seems that the steam has faded on participation in the
poll. But even though many many more of you all would need to vote for
this to be a valid poll it is amazing that currently the results weigh
in at a majority wanting "ME" to be "MORE STRICT" with potential new
members of the Ranchos Group. But again this is far from a valid poll
until 75% of
the permanent members vote and if I get
60% of those voting to vote for one of
the choices. Also only those that have a "genealogy" registered in the

RIOS FAMILY IN ZACATECAS

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY INFO ON MARIA ROMANA RIOS, BORN ABOUT 1818,
HER PARENTS WERE JUAN RIOS AND ELENA REAL FROM RIO GRANDE ZACATECAS. 
MA.ROMANA MARRIED ANDRES SAAVEDRA, MY GGG GRANDFATHER. IN ROMANA'S 
DEATH CERTIFICATE FROM MAPIMI DURANGO IT STATES THAT HER PARENTS 
WERE "NATURALES DE RIO GRANDE ESTADO DE ZACATECAS"  DOES THIS SOUND 
FAMILIAR? I DON'T KNOW IF ROMANA WAS BORN IN ZACATECAS BUT SHE MAY 
HAVE.




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Dual Marriage Question

I think they are also called Amonestaciones.  When I got married my mother-in-law did this in her local church.  This is where my husband was baptized and confirmed etc.  I did not know what this was and had to ask my mother about it.  She told me it was a custom in Mexico, at least in Zacatecas, that was a sort of announcement of the marriage/wedding and to make sure neither of us were currently married or related to each other.
Needless to say I did not do the same here in Florida. 
 
Dora

readysetgo95814 wrote:


I believe there is a distinction between a Dispensa and an
Información Matrimonial.  The dispensa was issued by the
bishopric. 
In the case of Los Altos the bishopric was in Guadalajara.  The
dispensa was a permission to marry.  The Información Matrimonial
was
an investigation and once that was satisfied I don't think it always
resulted in a dispensa, but correct me if I am wrong. Also the
Información Matrimonial was conducted by the local parrish.  Both
documents

Dual Marriage Question

I believe there is a distinction between a Dispensa and an 
Información Matrimonial.  The dispensa was issued by the
bishopric.  
In the case of Los Altos the bishopric was in Guadalajara.  The 
dispensa was a permission to marry.  The Información Matrimonial
was 
an investigation and once that was satisfied I don't think it always 
resulted in a dispensa, but correct me if I am wrong. Also the 
Información Matrimonial was conducted by the local parrish.  Both 
documents contain a wealth of information.  I have an Información 
Matrimonial that covered the life of one of my ancestors in great 
detail. It talks about where she was born, when she first married, 
widowed, and where she resided until she married (my ancestor) for 
the second time.  I have a dispensa from 1735 for another couple that 
is 21 pages long.  They needed the dispensa because they were related 
to one another and the witnesses name the couple's ancestors four 
generations back!  It was quite a find.

Maria

--- In

Dual Marriage Question

In a message dated 27/12/2004 08:59:35 p.m. Pacific Standard Time, jonathan@... writes:

Joseph wrote:

- Well I guess i'm not much help but
> what the priests were suppose to do when someone from another parish
> came to be married in the church they were suppose to contact that
> parish to make sure they were in good standing. [Note: Can anyone else
> confirm what I just said. I am pretty sure I read that some place maybe
> in George Ryskamp's Book].
>

Ryskamp, does talk about the pre-marriage investigations, in chapter
10, page 193 of his book.  Usually the results, of such investigations
were kept in the "informaciones matrimoniales" or the "diligencias
matrimoniales"

I can also confirm that when one or both of the pretenzos (novios) were from different parroquias or jurisdicciones, verification of their identities, ages, parentage, and if necessary, deny or confirm any possible parentesco, which would result in a "dispensa matrimonial."  Those would then provide their common ancestry

Dual Marriage Question

Joseph wrote:

- Well I guess i'm not much help but 
> what the priests were suppose to do when someone from another parish 
> came to be married in the church they were suppose to contact that 
> parish to make sure they were in good standing. [Note: Can anyone else 
> confirm what I just said. I am pretty sure I read that some place maybe 
> in George Ryskamp's Book].
> 

Ryskamp, does talk about the pre-marriage investigations, in chapter
10, page 193 of his book.  Usually the results, of such investigations
were kept in the "informaciones matrimoniales" or the "diligencias
matrimoniales"

Also, what makes you think that the two wives Maria Genoveba and Maria
Josefa were from a different parish.  Because, at times, people were
not christened in a parish, but the family may have moved to the
parish, after the children were christened, but they lived in the
parish for years.  The priest may then think, that he didn't need to
make any further contact.

Jonathan