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Relationship terminology

In a message dated 1/7/2005 12:07:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, makas@nc.rr.com writes:

regardless of the rules I will never ever ever call this dear relative "Primo" . . .respect screams out from the heavens for me to call him Tio and thats what I call him:

I must agree with this statement.  In Mexico, I have never heard of anything like "primos segundos una vez separados," or whatever.  It's just primos, tio/a, sobrino/sobrina, nieto/a, or some variations and/or combinations. 
 
Please, please check out the following website which explains those tricky parentescos in a very good manner. 
 
 
 
For example, mi "Tio" Julio Gonzalez Estrada, the famous tequilero Don Julio, is my grandmother's cousin.  Both he and I descend from common ancestors, Fermin Estrada y Modesta Moreno.  From this/these "Antepasado en Comun", I am a "Tataranieto," and Don Julio is a "Nieto."  Go across to nieto, and then go down to

Relationship terminology

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Many of our social etiquette rules, i.e. respecting elders, shaking hands,
etc. are not written in books, they were passed through word of mouth and social
practice. Many of the masses in early times could not read, as only the clergy
and upper social classes had the opportunity to go to school in the 1800's and
earlier. Manuel Roman

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This is based on old Spanish Catholic tradition with the thought that being
an uncle or aunt brought more respect to the family and it also showed a
respect for elders. Manuel Roman

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FYI - Many of the "social rules" were based on the catholic traditions
brought by the Spanish to Mexico.  The non Spaniards, i.e., French and
other Europeans used the traditions Anglo-Saxon traditions, like those in main
stream America today. I learned this from word of month like so many Hispanics.
I confirmed this with my in-laws who agree.

Genealogy Societies in Mexico


Is anyone aware of Genealogy and/or Social Societies in Mexico? In
particular for the states of Jalisco, Zacatecas, Aguascalientes and
Chihuahua?


I was working yesterday as a volunteer at my local Family History Center
when a kindred spirit came in to work his genealogy. He was telling me
how he contacts different social organizations in his mother country and
they are very helpful in suggesting local sources of information.


Now I don't know about you but I couldn't believe how such a simple idea
has somehow slipped by me. So now I'm hot on the trail of contacting
whatever genealogical or social organizations I can find in the larger
towns I'm searching for relatives/information.


So does anyone know of organization in Mexico that might be equivilent
to some of the church or social organizations here? Maybe the Knights of
Columbus or ???


thanks,

Joseph

ps: for starts I would just like to have a current phone book for those
towns. If I had a phone book then I could

Relationship terminology

Well now we might be opening up a can of worms. I've lived all my life
following what you just said. If a cousin of mine had a kid his kids
would call me Tio. BUT since starting genealogy I've heard that this is
technically not correct and that the rules in Mexico didn't allow for
this. So how can we find out what the "official" Mexico rules are for
relationships?



Just as a side note I have an 82 year old 2nd cousin once removed (he
and my dad would have been 2nd cousins) who is a Priest in Jerez,
Zacatecas. I would like to know the rules but regardless of the rules I
will never ever ever call this dear relative "Primo" . . .respect
screams out from the heavens for me to call him Tio and thats what I
call him: Tio Alberto Roman (Francisco Javier Roman; Julian Roman; Juan
Nepomuceno Roman; Jose Maria Roman).



joseph



docrjr@... wrote:

In Mexico, when cousins have children, the children refer to the
adults as "tio" or "tia". When an uncle or aunt weds, their respective

Relationship terminology

This is correct, but I don't know of a book or text where you can find this. I know it because this is how it is in Mexico. Many times having to explain this to people who are not from Mexico gets to be a little confusing.

 

Alicia Carrillo

docrjr@... wrote:



In Mexico, when cousins have children, the children refer to the adults as "tio" or "tia". When an uncle or aunt weds, their respective spouse is referred to as "tio or tia" (politico (a)) also. The "politica" makes reference to the fact that they are uncle or aunt by marriage, not blood.

Relationship terminology

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In Mexico, when cousins have children, the children refer to the adults as
"tio" or "tia". When an uncle or aunt weds, their respective spouse is referred
to as "tio or tia" (politico (a)) also. The "politica" makes reference to the
fact that they are uncle or aunt by marriage, not
blood.

Relationship terminology

In a recent conversation, an adult relative of my husband (the son
of my husband's cousin brother -- his first cousin, once removed in English)
informed me that my husband was his tío. I wasn't about to argue, but I
don't think he is correct. However, I do not know the terminology for
Spanish genealogical relationships.


Is there a publication that has it all laid out? If it has already
been discussed and is in the archives, I apologize for the query, and I'll
look it up.


In English, each succeeding generation is a new level of cousin --
as long as both lines are represented, yours and your relative's. If you
reach the end of one line, the level of kinship (cousinship) stays the same,
but the generation moves until the end of the other line is reached. (I
know -- that was a horrible explantion.)


Common Ancestor
Siblings
1st cousins
2nd cousins
3rd cousins
________________________
3rd cousin once removed (one generation removed)
3C 2R
3C3R, etc

Heritage Quest references

sorry, but even those with a subscription cannot get more than just the
reference you saw. It comes from PERSI which is also available on
ancestry and at your local FHC. I guess if there is an article of
interest you can google it and find the source and see about ordering
back copies of the journal/paper.


joseph

ps: an inexpensive way to get Heritage Quest is through the Godfrey
libary: $35 per year. . .good deal! www.godfrey.org


Alicia DeNood Thornton wrote:

Joseph,

A number of the Heritage Quest links you listed in a recent posting
look promising, but I am not a qualified person and cannot sign on.


Is there any way that an independent researcher can have access?