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Alberto,
 
There is a table in the book "Governance & Society in Colonial Mexico - Chihuahua in the Eighteenth Century" that contains the number of baptisms occurring in El Sagrario Parish broken down by race.  In 1780 there were 66 mulatos, and in 1790 there were 0.  It's as if they disappeared during a decade.  One thing we can be certain about, it was not socially and economically advantageous for our ancestors to identify themselves as mulatos.  Maybe the priests realized that and gradually phased out using the term.  

Joseph, if you're out there, many years ago I tried telling a "sister" I worked with how I thought I was black because of my frizzy hair, and it really annoyed her.  A word of advice to everyone:  Be careful about flaunting your newfound heritage around blacks - they could think you are ridiculing them. 
 
Alice 

Alberto Duarte wrote:

Note:
I have a historical event book from Jerez, and there
is an article where they were selling black and
mulatto

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When I was in Zacatecas, our tour guide, who took
us to my grandmother's hometown of Jerez, looked mulatto.  But I wasn't
about to tell him that he looked mulatto.  BTW, Al, which ancestor bought
slaves?  Marge V.:)
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Note:
I have a historical event book from Jerez, and
there
is an article where they were selling black and
mulatto slaves on
the open market (early 1700s). In
fact, I believe one of my ancestors
buying them.

Question: What happened to all these slaves?  When
I
went to Jerez, I didn't see a single black!  I believe
they were
assimilated in to the population.

Any
comments?

Alberto.


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> Esperanza,
> 

> I'm curious where you read about the blacks
> outnumbering the
Spaniards in Zacatecas.  I've got
> really weird hair and have
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Coyote

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My understanding is that when a child was taken to the priests to be baptised, it was determined by him whether the child was mulato, moreno blanco, etc.  This might have been more of the case in ranchos where it wasn't so important to have ethnic purity, as they were peones, who were never going to "be someone" anyway.  It was much more important in affluent lines to know exactly what the blood lines were -

 

Esperanza
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Alice,

 

When I became interested in geneology, I began to read everything I could about Zacatecas.  I wish I could tell you where I got my information from, but I can't.  What I do know for certainty is that the silver mines depended on the labor of the imported Africans because the Indigenous people were dying quickly of disease.  I have actually met people from Zacatecas that look African, so I suspect there remains pockets of them throughout the state.  I believe they were from the capitol - Zacatecas.

 

Esperanza
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Books: Blacks in Mexico

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Alberto I know this is outside of our geographical area but I found
this Dissertation that might offer some clues about the subject in
general:




Record 1 of 1 in Dissertation Abstracts 1997-2000



TI: FROM SLAVES TO CITIZENS: BLACKS AND MULATOES IN QUERETARO AT THE
END OF THE EIGHTEENTH CENTURY (SPANISH TEXT, MEXICO)

AU: DE-LA-SERNA-HERRERA-JUAN-MANUEL

DN: PHD

DD: 1999

SN: TULANE-UNIVERSITY (0235)

AD: GREENLEAF-RICHARD

PG: 209

LA: SPANISH

AB: This study endeavors to view Mexican society from 1750 to 1821
through the perspective of one of its lower status racial
groups—blacks. It addresses such themes as race, slavery and
the free population. An effort is also made at understanding the effect
of the interaction of the social, demographic economic, and political
forces upon the various sectors within the society. Each of these
questions is viewed at different points in time in an effort to gauge
change. The black's experience within the Mexican community is examined
at the local
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Note:
I have a historical event book from Jerez, and there
is an article where they were selling black and
mulatto slaves on the open market (early 1700s). In
fact, I believe one of my ancestors buying them.

Question: What happened to all these slaves?  When I
went to Jerez, I didn't see a single black!  I believe
they were assimilated in to the population.

Any comments?

Alberto.


--- alice wissing  wrote:

> Esperanza,
>  
> I'm curious where you read about the blacks
> outnumbering the Spaniards in Zacatecas.  I've got
> really weird hair and have been traced with
> certainty to a few coyotes and a black, all from
> Durango, which is next to Zacatecas.  I've never met
> another Mexican with hair as strange as mine -
> coarse, dark, wavy, and it won't hold a curl.  I can
> even forecast the weather with this hair.  Once I
> told everyone it was going to rain and it was sunny
> out.  Nobody believed me and then it rained that
> night.  Sometimes I think God gave
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Esperanza,
 
I'm curious where you read about the blacks outnumbering the Spaniards in Zacatecas.  I've got really weird hair and have been traced with certainty to a few coyotes and a black, all from Durango, which is next to Zacatecas.  I've never met another Mexican with hair as strange as mine - coarse, dark, wavy, and it won't hold a curl.  I can even forecast the weather with this hair.  Once I told everyone it was going to rain and it was sunny out.  Nobody believed me and then it rained that night.  Sometimes I think God gave me this hair so I'd always have something to do.
 
Alice

latina1955@... wrote:
Actually, for a while, blacks outnumbered Spaniards in Zacatecas as well because they were being used in the silver mines that dot the whole state.  Did you know that Michoacan had an enormous amount of Africans there early on as well? 
 
Both my husband (from Michoacan) and myself would bet that we have African blood running through our veins - primarily because of the very
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Coyote

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Hijola. . .we're all coming out of the closet. I've already told a
number of the "brothers" and "sisters" at work that I might be their
cousin. I think if a lot more people were made aware of all the
different ethnic bloodlines that run through them maybe this whole
thing of ethnic superiority would not be so prevalent.



I have a question about "Coyote." After getting my
mtDNA that traces my mom's mom's mom's side which I know comes from
Chihuahua, but there are rumors that the line might be from one of the
Atotonilco's in Jalisco. . .well anyway, after finding those results
take me back to Africa as my country of origin, I saw that one of
paternal lines might as well take me back to Africa as my Lugo line out
of Tepetongo was Coyote, Mestizo, and Espanola.



so my question is how did they determine these classifications? was it
that they took a DNA sample and waited for the results before making
the final entries? or was there a discerning Father that would have a
good look at
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Actually, for a while, blacks outnumbered Spaniards in Zacatecas as well because they were being used in the silver mines that dot the whole state.  Did you know that Michoacan had an enormous amount of Africans there early on as well? 

 

Both my husband (from Michoacan) and myself would bet that we have African blood running through our veins - primarily because of the very nappy hair that both sides of the relatives have.

 

Esperanza
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Books by Esteban Valdez of Totatiche

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I wish I could say that I am related to the Valdez
from Teotaltiche. My Grandfather was from Zitácuaro,
Michoacán. I haven't trace enough to know where they
came from before Michoacán. I know there is a large
Valdez family both in Zacatecas and Veracurz, but I
haven't on the Valdez from Michoacán. Anyone who has
more information, please let me know. I will check
this info in the meantime.

Guillermo Valdez


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> 
> Hey Victor,
> 
> The books you mention are actually the ones I have. 
> Sorry, I didn't 
> know the names but I recognize them.
> 
> The three books I currently have are:
> - Los Valdes de Totatiche
>      {I descend from the Valdes family, Joseph
> Leandro Valdez Lopez 
> and Maria Josepha Grano Covarrubias}
> - Estirpe Sacerdotal Campos-Jara
>      {I descend from the Campos family, Pedro Leon
> Gaeta Sierra and 
> Maria de la Luz Campos Huerta.}
> - El Sacerdocio Ministerial - Singular Don a la
> Parroquia de Totatiche
>      {I descend
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