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Nochistlan/Folklore/Teocaltiche/Chimalhuacanos/Lagos/


Title Genealogia
de Nochistlan antiguo reino de la Nueva Galicia en el siglo XVII segun
sus archivos parroquiales / Jose Luis Vazquez y Rodriguez de Frias.
  Author Vazquez y Rodriguez de Frias, Jose Luis. 
  Edition 1. ed.
  Place/Publisher Ciudad Juarez, Mexico : Editorial El Labrador,
  Date [2001]
  Description xx, 475 p. : ill. ; 29 cm.
  Notes Includes index.

  Subject Headings Mexico -- Genealogy. 

Vasquez family. 

Rodriguez family. 

  Geographical Access Mexico - Ciudad Juarez
  Holdings
Bancroft CS110
.V39 2001;

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Atotonilco/LosAltos/LaMuerte/Tequila/Chichimecas/

Title Compilacion de datos para la historia de Atotonilco el Alto,
Jalisco / Luis Orozco Vazquez.
  Author Orozco Vazquez, Luis. 
  Place/Publisher [Mexico : s.n.,
  Date between 1986 and 1992]
  Description viii, 376 p. : ill., maps ; 22 cm.
  Notes Includes bibliographical references (p. 370-371).

  Subject Headings Atotonilco el Alto (Mexico) -- History. 

  Geographical Access Mexico - Mexico City
  Holdings
Bancroft
F1391.A89 O761 1986;

Bancroft
Library closed Summer 2005, reopening in temporary quarters during
2005-2007. For construction information:
http://bancroft.berkeley.edu/info/move/; or 510 643-3871.
Non-circulating; may be used only in The

Musica de Los Altos de Jalisco


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Add BookMark  Title Musica campesina de Los Altos de Jalisco. Sound recording
[1. ed.]
  Place/Publisher [Mexico] Instituto Nacional de Antropologia e Historia.
  Date INAH 17.
  Description 1 disc. 33?/? rpm. 12 in.
  Notes Title from container.

Program notes and texts of the songs in Spanish (4 p.) inserted in
container.

El
pajonal; jarabe-cancion. El gallito; jarabe. Los cebolleros de Santa
Ana abajo; corrido. Sones de danza de apaches. El triste valle donde yo
naci; cancion. Los panaderos; jarabe.--Antonio; cancion. El pavido
navido; jarabe. Corrido del maiz caro. El sauz; jarabe. Corrido del
Jiri Alte~no. El cubanita; danza habanera.

Traditional songs, ballads, and dances from the Los Altos district of
the State of Jalisco; performed by

Mapa de Lagunas de Sayula y Zacoalco

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size="-1">Plano
de las lagunas de Sayula y Zacoalco de los Criaberos de Tequesquite y
Salitre que se encuentran en Ellas y a sus alrededores / levantado por
el Senor D. Mariano Otero en 1840 (copiado en 1875).
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  Date
size="-1">1875.
  Description
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  Notes
size="-1">Photocopy.

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1832 Jalisco Map



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Add BookMark  Title Jalisco [electronic resource] / imp. lito. de H. Iriarte y
Ca.
  Author Garcia Cubas, Antonio, 1832-1912. 
  IN Garcia
Cubas, Antonio, 1832-1912. Atlas geografico, estadistico e historico de
la Republica mexicana. Mexico : Imprenta de Jose Mariano Fernandez de
Lara, 1858. carta XII. (OCoLC) 49802773
  Map Data Scale [ca. 1:1,950,000] (W 106?21?--W 102?31?/N 24?00?--N
18?00?).
  Date [1858].
  Notes Relief shown by hachures.

Text and tables surround map.

Prime meridian: Mexico City.

"Atlas mexicano por Antonio Garcia y Cubas."

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A Call For Batch Numbers/Digest/Cal Berkeley

Well I don't want to burden any one person but how about your particular
areas of research. . .aren't you doing Mazapil and Sombrerete?


I was hoping that if just a few of you all would do maybe just one
slowly that "File" in Ranchos2 would start to fill in.


thanks,

Jonathan

ps: and thanks for the kind offer to the group.


mexicanfhr wrote:

Joseph,

Which batch numbers are you wanting?

Also, if anyone needs a lookup at the Family History Library, in Salt
Lake, I usually am there once or twice a month.

Thanks,
Jonathan






Coyote

Title: Re: [ranchos] Coyote

Alice,



I discussed genes with another genealogy group (Pureto Rican) earlier today. I am simply copying it and forwarding it to you and the group. It is self-explanatory. Phenotype (what it looks like) and genotype (what the genes are) are two different things.



Respectfully,



Ed Serros









Ron and Ivonne,



As advertised, the mtDNA test is DNA check on your mother’s mother’s mother’s....mother’s ancestry. Recently, even the most “European” (read white) of South American countries, Argentina, has shown that approximately 90% of mtDNA is Indian. The paternal, Y-DNA, is largely European. The inference is clear. The male Europeans came and the Native American Indian females bore. Yes, there are a lot of reasons for this: conquest, infectious disease, food, social issue, etc.



Your mtDNA may be Indian (four major types in all the Americas) and may not necessarily answer the questions you may have. I believe that there are on-going studies in Puerto Rico

Coyote

A lot of Spaniards were and are short and
dark...depends on THEIR genes, too!:)  Marge V.:)
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 5:52
PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Coyote

I do believe that is true, but I've noticed that in certain branches of
my family where the people are tall and fair, the genealogy does indeed
identify the ancestors as mostly Spanish.  My maternal grandfather was
short, and sure enough he traced back to an Indian.  I'm not sure I'd
totally disregard the classifications.  Have others noticed similar
patterns? 
 
Alice

Alberto Duarte
wrote:


Note:
A
couple of years ago I was told by a genealogist from
SHARR, not to pay
much attention to Mexican birth
records whenever race was noted. Such
birth record
notes (race) were just part of the racism that existed
at
that time, and had no meaning to the make up of the
person.

I

Coyote

I do believe that is true, but I've noticed that in certain branches of my family where the people are tall and fair, the genealogy does indeed identify the ancestors as mostly Spanish.  My maternal grandfather was short, and sure enough he traced back to an Indian.  I'm not sure I'd totally disregard the classifications.  Have others noticed similar patterns? 
 
Alice

Alberto Duarte wrote:


Note:
A couple of years ago I was told by a genealogist from
SHARR, not to pay much attention to Mexican birth
records whenever race was noted. Such birth record
notes (race) were just part of the racism that existed
at that time, and had no meaning to the make up of the
person.

I doubt if any one us can say what our ethnic make up
is, I know I cannot.

We are just good people!

Alberto Duarte Prieto.
--- marge vallazza wrote:

> I have a copy of a microfilmed birth record of one
> of my ancestresses in Jerez, Zacatecas, where she is
> listed as a mestiza. In Mitra Sacrada, by Luz
> Montejano Hilton