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RE: Matrimonio en Tlaltenango de S

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Jorge Luis,

En vuestra busca de datos adicionales respecto al matrimonio indicado
podeis leer los siguientes microfilmes en el Centro de Historia Familiar
que os sea mas cercano/conveniente:

El Rollo #0443969 incluye el matrimonio entre Vicente Ferrel de Raygoza e

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Muchas gracias Efraín, me va servir de mucho esta información, yo también estaba entre la teoría de que Vicente Ferrer Raygoza fuera hijo de Agustín Raygoza y María de Miramontes; o en otro caso hijo de José de Raygoza y Catarina de Sandoval.Saludos.Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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I think more likely this is the right Vicente:

BISENTE TEREL RAIGOSA SANDOBAL
Male
Christening: 17 MAR 1720 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:
Father: JOSEPH RAIGOSA
Mother: CATALINA DE SANDOBAL
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.:
J600894 1718 - 1732 0443802

Good Luck on your search,
Angie Godina

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I am also researching Raigosa/Raygoza in Tlaltenango.

Here is my ancestor:
GREGORIO RAYGOSA
Male
Marriages:
Spouse: ANTTONIA CATHARINA
Marriage: 11 AUG 1746 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.:
M607139 1704 - 1754 0443968

I have a copy of the extract document but it does not list the parents names. I believe the spouse is a Haro. But it is also not listed in the extract.

The is possibly the same person (not confirmed):
GREGORIO JOSEPH RAIGOSA DESANDOBAL
Male
Christening: 22 AUG 1721 Tlaltenango De Sanchez Roman, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:
Father: JOSEPH DE RAIGOSA
Mother: CHATHARINA DESANDOBAL
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.:
J600894 1718 - 1732 0443802

If you are interested, my files lists Gregorio Raigosa descendants as I am currently stuck on his ancestors ...
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/13945

Thanks,
Angie Godina

Eddie Guterrez Hermosillo

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Hola Eddie ,como esta ? Ojala que bien. Primero halle Diegp Gonzalez de
Hermosillo y Maria Rubio yendo para www.familysearch.org buscando Francisco
Gutierrez Rubio nacimiento,donde salio el y Ana Gonzalez Florida.Chansa que

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saludos Ronnie Reynoso efectivamente esta información esta mal a múltiples errores en esta pagina lo cierto es que no se sabe a ciencia cierta cual es el apellido que le sigue a diego gonzalez casado con maria rubio y con respecto al apellido Hermosillo si en algo te puedo ayudar. no digo lo mismo del reynoso por que no se mucho de el

Atte: Eddy Gutierrez Hermosillo> From: chilerey@msn.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:12:38 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Eddie Guterrez Hermosillo> > Hola Eddie ,como esta ? Ojala que bien. Primero halle Diegp Gonzalez de > Hermosillo y Maria Rubio yendo para www.familysearch.org buscando Francisco > Gutierrez Rubio nacimiento,donde salio el y Ana Gonzalez Florida.Chansa que > esa informacion esta mal ,tambien esta en batch#F868025.> Bueno Mi Familia Reynoso eran de San Julian pero su rancho partenese a San > MIguel el Alto. Mi antepasado era Francisco Reynoso casado con Maria Padilla > Davilla.Los Hijos : eran Francisco Reynoso casado con Josefa Renteria,eran > mis antepasados. Eu hermano Diego Reynoso casado con Margarita > Renteria.Despues o sea con tiempo Los Reynosos Fueron a Jalostotitlan ,y > Zacatecas.Mi> mama se apellide Hermosillo . No se mucho de la historia oral de mi abuelo > porque era huerfano, pero con las actas y el autor Jose Luis Vazquez halle > hasta un Vicente Hermosillo casado con Maria Ynez de La Trinidad Martin de > Padilla,que veneciendo Martin del Campo Padilla Davila.Maria Ynez de La > trinidad nacio 05-05-1726 en San Juan de los Lagos.> Eddie ,yo creo que casi todos apellidos de Los Altos Y mas:> Reynoso,Padilla,Perez,Magana , > Centeno,Alderete,Portillo,Anaya,Escoto,Moreno,Gutierrez(de todas clases) > Garcia (de Hermosillo,Gonzalez(de > Hermosillo)Benavides,Lomellini,Marquez,Gomez(de Mendoza)> Munoz de La Barba,Tiscareno,Ruiz de Esparza,Romo de Vivar,Lozano,De La > Torre,Ledesma, Martin del campo,Hernandez,Sanchez, y Mas.> Yo creo soy pariente a todos de Los Altos poquito de Aguascaliente y > Zacatecas.> Bueno eddie espero tu repuesta> tu primo 1000 veces ypariente acasi todos de Los Altos.-> Ronnie Reynoso> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Hola Eddie ,como estas ? Ojala que bien. Oyes que lo sabes de tu Rama
Reynoso ? Fui a www.nuestros ranchos.com y mire tu rama . Dices que tu mama
nacio en el Municipio de San Miguel el Alto. Vivia en el pueblo de San
Miguel o cercas ? De donde eran tus Abuelos Reynoso ? Ceracas de San miguel
esta La comunidad de San Jose de Los Reynoso , tiene parientes por ese lado
o de Jalostotitlan ? Eddie ,yo vivo en el pueblo de Caremont,California
.Mis abuelos eran de unos Ranchos y Hacienda cercas de San Julian,Jalisco.
Espero tu repuesta
Tu pariente ,casi 1000 veces
y pariente acasi todos de Los Altos
Ronnie

>From: eddy gutierrez hermosillo
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To:
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Eddie Guterrez Hermosillo
>Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:22:19 -0500
>
>
>saludos Ronnie Reynoso efectivamente esta información esta mal a múltiples
>errores en esta pagina lo cierto es que no se sabe a ciencia cierta cual es
>el apellido que le sigue a diego gonzalez casado con maria rubio y con
>respecto al apellido Hermosillo si en algo te puedo ayudar. no digo lo
>mismo del reynoso por que no se mucho de el
>
>Atte: Eddy Gutierrez Hermosillo> From: chilerey@msn.com> To:
>research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:12:38 -0700>
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Eddie Guterrez Hermosillo> > Hola Eddie ,como
>esta ? Ojala que bien. Primero halle Diegp Gonzalez de > Hermosillo y Maria
>Rubio yendo para www.familysearch.org buscando Francisco > Gutierrez Rubio
>nacimiento,donde salio el y Ana Gonzalez Florida.Chansa que > esa
>informacion esta mal ,tambien esta en batch#F868025.> Bueno Mi Familia
>Reynoso eran de San Julian pero su rancho partenese a San > MIguel el Alto.
>Mi antepasado era Francisco Reynoso casado con Maria Padilla > Davilla.Los
>Hijos : eran Francisco Reynoso casado con Josefa Renteria,eran > mis
>antepasados. Eu hermano Diego Reynoso casado con Margarita >
>Renteria.Despues o sea con tiempo Los Reynosos Fueron a Jalostotitlan ,y >
>Zacatecas.Mi> mama se apellide Hermosillo . No se mucho de la historia oral
>de mi abuelo > porque era huerfano, pero con las actas y el autor Jose Luis
>Vazquez halle > hasta un Vicente Hermosillo casado con Maria Ynez de La
>Trinidad Martin de > Padilla,que veneciendo Martin del Campo Padilla
>Davila.Maria Ynez de La > trinidad nacio 05-05-1726 en San Juan de los
>Lagos.> Eddie ,yo creo que casi todos apellidos de Los Altos Y mas:>
>Reynoso,Padilla,Perez,Magana , >
>Centeno,Alderete,Portillo,Anaya,Escoto,Moreno,Gutierrez(de todas clases) >
>Garcia (de Hermosillo,Gonzalez(de >
>Hermosillo)Benavides,Lomellini,Marquez,Gomez(de Mendoza)> Munoz de La
>Barba,Tiscareno,Ruiz de Esparza,Romo de Vivar,Lozano,De La > Torre,Ledesma,
>Martin del campo,Hernandez,Sanchez, y Mas.> Yo creo soy pariente a todos de
>Los Altos poquito de Aguascaliente y > Zacatecas.> Bueno eddie espero tu
>repuesta> tu primo 1000 veces ypariente acasi todos de Los Altos.-> Ronnie
>Reynoso> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos
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To Juanita, Connie Dominguez and other members,

The Montejano book about which you are inquiring is authored by Maria de la
Luz Montejano Hilton, published by her in 1999, and titled "Sagrada Mitra
de Guadalajara antiguo obispado de la Nueva Galicia: epedientes de la serie
de matrimonis extractos siglos XVII - XVIII"

It is an 803-page 9" x 12" soft-cover book, written in Spanish, that as I
recall synthesizes some 2 to 3 thousands of matrimonial 'appeals' and
'dispensations' sought from the Nueva Galicia ecclesiastical court during
that 3-century time period. It also contains an extremely helpful 204-page
index of the names of the persons reflected/mentioned in all of the
proceedings.

EXAMPLE, (Case Number 720):

Jalostotitlan, Jal. Enero 18 de 1718. Exp.100.- Dispensa de cuarto grado
de consanguinidad. - Don Pedro de Anda Altamirano, espanol de 21 anos de
edad, natural y vecino de esta filigresia, hijo legitimo de Don Lorenzo de
Anda Altamirano y de Dona Gertrudis de Hermosillo, difunta; con Dona Clara
Perez Franco, espanola de 18 anos de edad, natural y vecina de esta
filigresia, hija legitima del Cap. Don Joseph Perez Franco y Dona Lorenza
Gutierrez de Hermosillo. Declaracion de Cayetano de la Pena , espanol de
26 anos de edad, pariente de los pretensos: Por causa de que Dona Teresa
de Hermosillo, bisabuela del pretenso y Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo,
bisabuelo de la pretensa, fueron hermanos; y Silvestre Camacho, abuelo del
pretenso y Miguel Gutierrez de Hermosillo, abuelo de la pretensa, fueron
primos hermanos, y que Dona Gertrudis de Hermosillo, madre del pretenso y
Dona Lorenza Gutierrez de Hermosillo, madre de la pretensa, son primas
segundas. Se otorgo la dispensa en la Ciudad de Guadalajara, en 22 de
enero de 1718. 10 fojas.

- - - - - - - -

I hope this is responsive to your inquiry and informative to others that
may wish to access the information in this book for their research.

Saludos,

Efrain Conrique
San Diego, California

> [Original Message]
> From:
> To:
> Date: 5/7/2008 6:57:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's
book: Hermosillo--Att:ConnieDominguez
>
> Connie, I was reading your email and was excited to see someone who is
> researching Aguascalientes. I'm also working on that area and am having
> trouble. I also have read the emails about a book by Luz Montejano. I'm
> wondering if the title is Hermosillo, or is there another title. I tried
to
> research some of the names used in the emails, but haven't found the
actual
> title or book. I'm wondering if you would be so kind as to give me some
idea
> as to where and what I can use to find information for Augas, and the
title of
> the book. I've used Ancestry, LDS etc. I've tried Nuestros but am so new
to
> this site that I'm not finding much and get discouraged. Thank you for
your
> time. Lupe
>
>
> Quoting cdominguez10@elp.rr.com:
>
> > Juanita,
> > Thanks for your note. Yes, it is a great book. That was a tremendous
> > amount of work and it was a job well done. I protect my signed copy
> > well. :-)
> >
> > I wish you luck on your search. I have so many films at the local
> > FHC, but I've had such a hard time getting there. I look forward to
> > going in the summer. They're only open 1 evening a week, and
> > invariably I forget to head out there for some reason or other. I'm
> > working on Aguascalientes in the 17th c. and don't have much on later
> > generations except my direct lines.
> >
> > During summer, I will have days to work on genealogy at the FHC. If
> > you need anything from any of the films I've listed on Ranchos,
> > please let me know. I'll look through them.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Connie
> > ---- juanita delgado wrote:
> >
> > =============
> > HELLO CONNIE,
> > GOT THE BOOK FROM JUST DOWN THE HIGHWAY FROM ME. UT-EDINBURG-MY
> > ALMA MATER. I WAS AWARE THEY HAD A LOT ON NE MEXICO AND TEXAS, BUT
> > HAD NOT SEENTHAT ON THEIR LIBRARY.
> > WHAT A GREAT BOOK IT IS. FROM ONE SHORT PARAGRAPH YOU CAN GET
> > SEVERAL GENERATIONS. I SAW A LOT OF MY PEOPLE THERE. UNFORTUNATELY,
> > THE INFORMATION I AM SEEKING WAS NOT THERE AND IT GOES BACK A GOOD
> > WAYS. ON THE INTRODUCTION IT STATES THAT IT IS ONLY A FRACTION OF
> > ALL THE ROLLS THEY HAVE TO PUT OUT. WHAT A JOB WELL DONE!
> >
> > I WAS ABLE TO VERIFY A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THE PEOPLE I HAVE, SO
> > I SPENT MANY NIGHTS BROWSING THRU IT. I RETURNED IT TODAY. AM LOOKING
> > FOR OTHER CHURCH DOCUMENTS THAT I MIGHT GET THRU THE LIBRARY LOAN
> > SYSTEM.
> > I WILL NOT FORGET YOUR KIND OFFER!!!
> > JUANITA
> >
> > juanita delgado wrote:
> > Connie,
> > I'm waiting at my library to see if I can get the book on loan. If I
> > don;t I'll send you some information you can look up for me.
> > Thanks!!! Again for offering!
> > Juanita
> >
> > juanita delgado wrote:
> > Connie.
> > Thank you, Connie, for your offer to help!!!!!!! I will write you in
> > a couple of hours.
> >
> > Juanita
> >
> > Ronald Reynoso wrote:
> >
> > Hola Connie ,how are you ? I too ordered Luz's book and they were out
> > . I was wondering if you could see if a Vicente Hermosillo and (wife)
> > Maria Inez de La Trinidad Martin de Padilla (also goes by)Martin del
> > Campo Padilla Davila born may 05,1726 San Juan de los Lagos. Maria
> > Inez de La Trinidad was daughter of Miguel Geronimo Martin del Campo
> > and Josefa Padilla Davila . What I am trying to find out the
> > ancestors of Vicente Hermosillo . I don't know when these guys got
> > married but I 'm guessing around 1750. I don't know if they are even
> > related.
> > Thank you for your time
> > Ronnie Reynoso
> >> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:03:47 -0500> From:
> >> cdominguez10@elp.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject:
> >> Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's book:> > Juanita,> > I have
> >> the book and would be happy to do loookups, but I don't know if she
> >> has any more available. Last I heard it was out of print, but she
> >> had a few left (some years ago). > > I haven't spoken to her either
> >> in quite a while, so I'm not sure how to get hold of her. > > So
> >> sorry I couldn't help more.> > Connie Dominguez> > ---- juanita
> >> delgado wrote: > > =============> Does anyone out there know
> >> how/where I can obtain or have access to "Sagrada Mitra> de
> >> Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia - marriages
> >> xvii-xviii?> > Thanks!> Juanita Delgado> > >
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Thanks, Enrique! I was still working on a similar response. You saved me some work. :-)

Connie Dominguez

---- Efrain Conrique wrote:

=============
To Juanita, Connie Dominguez and other members,

The Montejano book about which you are inquiring is authored by Maria de la
Luz Montejano Hilton, published by her in 1999, and titled "Sagrada Mitra
de Guadalajara antiguo obispado de la Nueva Galicia: epedientes de la serie
de matrimonis extractos siglos XVII - XVIII"

It is an 803-page 9" x 12" soft-cover book, written in Spanish, that as I
recall synthesizes some 2 to 3 thousands of matrimonial 'appeals' and
'dispensations' sought from the Nueva Galicia ecclesiastical court during
that 3-century time period. It also contains an extremely helpful 204-page
index of the names of the persons reflected/mentioned in all of the
proceedings.

EXAMPLE, (Case Number 720):

Jalostotitlan, Jal. Enero 18 de 1718. Exp.100.- Dispensa de cuarto grado
de consanguinidad. - Don Pedro de Anda Altamirano, espanol de 21 anos de
edad, natural y vecino de esta filigresia, hijo legitimo de Don Lorenzo de
Anda Altamirano y de Dona Gertrudis de Hermosillo, difunta; con Dona Clara
Perez Franco, espanola de 18 anos de edad, natural y vecina de esta
filigresia, hija legitima del Cap. Don Joseph Perez Franco y Dona Lorenza
Gutierrez de Hermosillo. Declaracion de Cayetano de la Pena , espanol de
26 anos de edad, pariente de los pretensos: Por causa de que Dona Teresa
de Hermosillo, bisabuela del pretenso y Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo,
bisabuelo de la pretensa, fueron hermanos; y Silvestre Camacho, abuelo del
pretenso y Miguel Gutierrez de Hermosillo, abuelo de la pretensa, fueron
primos hermanos, y que Dona Gertrudis de Hermosillo, madre del pretenso y
Dona Lorenza Gutierrez de Hermosillo, madre de la pretensa, son primas
segundas. Se otorgo la dispensa en la Ciudad de Guadalajara, en 22 de
enero de 1718. 10 fojas.

- - - - - - - -

I hope this is responsive to your inquiry and informative to others that
may wish to access the information in this book for their research.

Saludos,

Efrain Conrique
San Diego, California

> [Original Message]
> From:
> To:
> Date: 5/7/2008 6:57:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's
book: Hermosillo--Att:ConnieDominguez
>
> Connie, I was reading your email and was excited to see someone who is
> researching Aguascalientes. I'm also working on that area and am having
> trouble. I also have read the emails about a book by Luz Montejano. I'm
> wondering if the title is Hermosillo, or is there another title. I tried
to
> research some of the names used in the emails, but haven't found the
actual
> title or book. I'm wondering if you would be so kind as to give me some
idea
> as to where and what I can use to find information for Augas, and the
title of
> the book. I've used Ancestry, LDS etc. I've tried Nuestros but am so new
to
> this site that I'm not finding much and get discouraged. Thank you for
your
> time. Lupe
>
>
> Quoting cdominguez10@elp.rr.com:
>
> > Juanita,
> > Thanks for your note. Yes, it is a great book. That was a tremendous
> > amount of work and it was a job well done. I protect my signed copy
> > well. :-)
> >
> > I wish you luck on your search. I have so many films at the local
> > FHC, but I've had such a hard time getting there. I look forward to
> > going in the summer. They're only open 1 evening a week, and
> > invariably I forget to head out there for some reason or other. I'm
> > working on Aguascalientes in the 17th c. and don't have much on later
> > generations except my direct lines.
> >
> > During summer, I will have days to work on genealogy at the FHC. If
> > you need anything from any of the films I've listed on Ranchos,
> > please let me know. I'll look through them.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Connie
> > ---- juanita delgado wrote:
> >
> > =============
> > HELLO CONNIE,
> > GOT THE BOOK FROM JUST DOWN THE HIGHWAY FROM ME. UT-EDINBURG-MY
> > ALMA MATER. I WAS AWARE THEY HAD A LOT ON NE MEXICO AND TEXAS, BUT
> > HAD NOT SEENTHAT ON THEIR LIBRARY.
> > WHAT A GREAT BOOK IT IS. FROM ONE SHORT PARAGRAPH YOU CAN GET
> > SEVERAL GENERATIONS. I SAW A LOT OF MY PEOPLE THERE. UNFORTUNATELY,
> > THE INFORMATION I AM SEEKING WAS NOT THERE AND IT GOES BACK A GOOD
> > WAYS. ON THE INTRODUCTION IT STATES THAT IT IS ONLY A FRACTION OF
> > ALL THE ROLLS THEY HAVE TO PUT OUT. WHAT A JOB WELL DONE!
> >
> > I WAS ABLE TO VERIFY A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THE PEOPLE I HAVE, SO
> > I SPENT MANY NIGHTS BROWSING THRU IT. I RETURNED IT TODAY. AM LOOKING
> > FOR OTHER CHURCH DOCUMENTS THAT I MIGHT GET THRU THE LIBRARY LOAN
> > SYSTEM.
> > I WILL NOT FORGET YOUR KIND OFFER!!!
> > JUANITA
> >
> > juanita delgado wrote:
> > Connie,
> > I'm waiting at my library to see if I can get the book on loan. If I
> > don;t I'll send you some information you can look up for me.
> > Thanks!!! Again for offering!
> > Juanita
> >
> > juanita delgado wrote:
> > Connie.
> > Thank you, Connie, for your offer to help!!!!!!! I will write you in
> > a couple of hours.
> >
> > Juanita
> >
> > Ronald Reynoso wrote:
> >
> > Hola Connie ,how are you ? I too ordered Luz's book and they were out
> > . I was wondering if you could see if a Vicente Hermosillo and (wife)
> > Maria Inez de La Trinidad Martin de Padilla (also goes by)Martin del
> > Campo Padilla Davila born may 05,1726 San Juan de los Lagos. Maria
> > Inez de La Trinidad was daughter of Miguel Geronimo Martin del Campo
> > and Josefa Padilla Davila . What I am trying to find out the
> > ancestors of Vicente Hermosillo . I don't know when these guys got
> > married but I 'm guessing around 1750. I don't know if they are even
> > related.
> > Thank you for your time
> > Ronnie Reynoso
> >> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:03:47 -0500> From:
> >> cdominguez10@elp.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject:
> >> Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's book:> > Juanita,> > I have
> >> the book and would be happy to do loookups, but I don't know if she
> >> has any more available. Last I heard it was out of print, but she
> >> had a few left (some years ago). > > I haven't spoken to her either
> >> in quite a while, so I'm not sure how to get hold of her. > > So
> >> sorry I couldn't help more.> > Connie Dominguez> > ---- juanita
> >> delgado wrote: > > =============> Does anyone out there know
> >> how/where I can obtain or have access to "Sagrada Mitra> de
> >> Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia - marriages
> >> xvii-xviii?> > Thanks!> Juanita Delgado> > >
> >> ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound,
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Veronica,

I have to agree with Efrain on buying this book. If you plan on extensive research for this area and know many families are connected, you might want to purchase.

I purchased it ($150) because I was trying to re-create all the early Aguas families - not just my personal lines. Although most of the entries in the book are dated late 17th & early 18th centuries, they describe relationships up to 4 or 5 generations back. This was very important to me. Also, at the time, I was helping Jose Luis Rodriguez with the Aguascalientes info for his book. It made more sense to purchase.

Otherwise, for limited use, e.g. for work on just personal lines, I would probably just borrow.

Hope this helps,

Connie Dominguez

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Efrain and Connie,
Would you recommend that we buy this book?

Veronica Vidaure Rahorn

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Efrain and Connie,
Thanks for the responses. I will take your advice to heart and go look for
the book at the ASU library.

Thanks again,
Veronica

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Cc: "Veronica Rahorn"
Sent: 12 May, 2008 11:35
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's book: Hermosillo

> Veronica,
>
> I have to agree with Efrain on buying this book. If you plan on extensive
> research for this area and know many families are connected, you might
> want to purchase.
>
> I purchased it ($150) because I was trying to re-create all the early
> Aguas families - not just my personal lines. Although most of the entries
> in the book are dated late 17th & early 18th centuries, they describe
> relationships up to 4 or 5 generations back. This was very important to
> me. Also, at the time, I was helping Jose Luis Rodriguez with the
> Aguascalientes info for his book. It made more sense to purchase.
>
> Otherwise, for limited use, e.g. for work on just personal lines, I would
> probably just borrow.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Connie Dominguez
>
> ---- Veronica Rahorn wrote:
>
> =============
> Efrain and Connie,
> Would you recommend that we buy this book?
>
> Veronica Vidaure Rahorn
>
>

Comentario

Hola amigos, como la mayoría de usted saben investigo mis líneas genealógicas en los Altos de Jalisco; pero resulta que empecé a hacer el árbol genealógico de una amiga de Acatic, Jalisco de apellido Raygoza y en mis investigaciones he llegado hasta la fecha de matrimonio de una pareja en Tlaltenango de Sánchez Román, Zacatecas.

Si alguien de ustedes me puede ayudar con los datos ascendentes que se puedan encontrar en el acta siguiente:

El 10 de febrero de 1757 en Tlaltenango de Sánchez Romáz, Zacatecas. Matrimonio de Vicente Ferrer de Raygoza e Isabel Benedicta de la Paz.

Si me pueden ayudar se los agradeceré muchísimo. Y si tienen mas datos aparte de los que tenga el acta mucho mejor. Creo que me ahorrarían mucho tiempo y esfuerzo.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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Quivole primos Ronnie y Eddie:

La informacion que yo tengo sobre Diego Gonzalez de Hermosillo es la
siguiente y es algo diferente a lo que Ronnie tiene:

Padres de Diego fueron:
Melchor Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Francisca Renteria Mojica
Source: Batch # 868025 Sheet # 034 Film #1396255.

Diego Gonzalez de Hermosillo: B:abt. 1672 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco M:5 Sep
1697 , Jalostotitlan Jalisco to Antonia (Martin del Campo) Gonzalez de
Hermosillo. Born: abt. 1677 in San Juan de Los Lagos Jalisco. Daughter of
Capitan Lazaro Martin del Campo and Catarina Ramirez de Hermosillo
Source: LDS Batch; #F868025 Sheet # 034 Film #1396255.

Children of Diego Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Antonia Martin del Campo:

1- Ygnacio de Santa Ana Gonzalez de Hermosillo B: abt 1704 in Jalostotitlan
Jalisco. D:2 Oct 1784 in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. Married to Ana Maria Muños
de La Barba.
2- Maria Bernarda Gonzalez de Hermosillo. B:1699, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco
Source: Batch # F867915 Sheet # 044 Film #1396254.
3- Cristobal Gonzalez de Hermosillo. Chr:25 Jun 1708 in Saan Juan de Los
Lagos, Jalisco. D 12 Jun 1786. M: to Maria Josefa Perez Franco

Espero que esta informacion sirva para aclarar un poquito mas las cosas...

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
1gnzlz@verizon.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronald Reynoso"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 21:12
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Eddie Guterrez Hermosillo

> Hola Eddie ,como esta ? Ojala que bien. Primero halle Diegp Gonzalez de
> Hermosillo y Maria Rubio yendo para www.familysearch.org buscando
> Francisco
> Gutierrez Rubio nacimiento,donde salio el y Ana Gonzalez Florida.Chansa
> que
> esa informacion esta mal ,tambien esta en batch#F868025.
> Bueno Mi Familia Reynoso eran de San Julian pero su rancho partenese a San
> MIguel el Alto. Mi antepasado era Francisco Reynoso casado con Maria
> Padilla
> Davilla.Los Hijos : eran Francisco Reynoso casado con Josefa
> Renteria,eran
> mis antepasados. Eu hermano Diego Reynoso casado con Margarita
> Renteria.Despues o sea con tiempo Los Reynosos Fueron a Jalostotitlan ,y
> Zacatecas.Mi
> mama se apellide Hermosillo . No se mucho de la historia oral de mi abuelo
> porque era huerfano, pero con las actas y el autor Jose Luis Vazquez
> halle
> hasta un Vicente Hermosillo casado con Maria Ynez de La Trinidad Martin
> de
> Padilla,que veneciendo Martin del Campo Padilla Davila.Maria Ynez de La
> trinidad nacio 05-05-1726 en San Juan de los Lagos.
> Eddie ,yo creo que casi todos apellidos de Los Altos Y mas:
> Reynoso,Padilla,Perez,Magana ,
> Centeno,Alderete,Portillo,Anaya,Escoto,Moreno,Gutierrez(de todas clases)
> Garcia (de Hermosillo,Gonzalez(de
> Hermosillo)Benavides,Lomellini,Marquez,Gomez(de Mendoza)
> Munoz de La Barba,Tiscareno,Ruiz de Esparza,Romo de Vivar,Lozano,De La
> Torre,Ledesma, Martin del campo,Hernandez,Sanchez, y Mas.
> Yo creo soy pariente a todos de Los Altos poquito de Aguascaliente y
> Zacatecas.
> Bueno eddie espero tu repuesta
> tu primo 1000 veces ypariente acasi todos de Los Altos.-
> Ronnie Reynoso

The Pope & LDS

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As far as the Catholic Church records that many of us research, they are
records of religious Sacraments plain and simple (Baptism, Confirmation,
Marriage, Death--last rites) received by individuals, and were not

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Irma:

Thank you for your thoughtful comments. I can surely see how many people would find LDS practices offensive. In fact, I have had some of my relatives become upset at me for using LDS resources and donating a copy of my book with my research to the Family History Library because they were angry that their ancestors might be baptized by LDS.

You state that these records were sacramental records plain and simple, but I don't agree that it is that simple. Under Spanish rule, there was no freedom of religion and as such all marriages and baptisms had to be performed by the Catholic Church. The Spanish Crown gave the Church the duty and monopoly on recording births (through baptisms), marriages and deaths. All of these records were considered official records for government and juridical purposes. Thus in effect they were civil registration. It was not until Independence and the separation of Church and State that a separate civil registry was established because until then people had no choice to baptize their children anywhere else or to get married anywhere else.

Regardless, I could see if the Church had some policy about making such records available for historical and genealogical research. However, my experience in trying to access these records directly at parrishes has been met mostly with an unwillingness to help or sometimes with outright hostility. I know of very valuable records from the 1600s in Jerez and Colotlan that have not been filmed and are already in poor condition and the parrishes are doing nothing to preserve them. It is sad.

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Amen!

-----Mensaje original-----
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Irma
GomezLucero
Enviado el: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 6:24 PM
Para: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Pope & LDS

As far as the Catholic Church records that many of us research, they are
records of religious Sacraments plain and simple (Baptism, Confirmation,
Marriage, Death--last rites) received by individuals, and were not
government or civil records--these came later. Even the Census records
I have run across, list whether the individual received Communion. Lets
remember that such records of sacraments be kept was mandated by the
Catholic Church and not the crown therefore these were not government
records. Our ancestors went to the Catholic Church to receive their
Sacraments. When our ancestors had their children baptized, it was
because they wanted them to be members of the Catholic community. When
a priest was called for a dying person, it was to receive his/her last
rites.
Although Jose Carlos made his comment in a tongue and cheek
manner, it does turn things around, and make a rational person think.

"With "tongue in cheek", maybe the Pope could retaliate by re-baptising
the dead Mormons to Catholicism?"
Jose Carlos de Leon

How would LDS members feel if their religious records were used this
way? Would they perceive this act as disrespectful of their beliefs or
their ancestor's beliefs?

I do not take these re-baptisms to heart. My ancestors knew what they
wanted-- I, like Felix had very devout Catholics as my ancestors:
several priests, a saint, nuns, Church builders, etc., My earthly
family is too.

I am very appreciative that the LDS Church has preserved these records,
and made them available to me as a Non-Member--regardless of what
motivated the LDS Church. If it were not for their doing, I never would
have been able to access as much information as I have, nor gotten so
far in my research. Some of these records have given me a wealth of
information. I have discovered that an ancestor couple of mine had a
hand in building one of the Catholic Churches in my folk's hometown.
When I walk into a Family History Library, I always remember that I am
guest and behave as one. I would never disrespect their beliefs
although I've heard individuals unknowingly bash mine.

The Pope as the earthly leader of the Catholic Church has a right to
stop making records of Catholic Sacraments available to non-members or
non-relatives. He has not stepped away from his role as religious
leader. He is protecting religious records of individuals who have
come to the Church for spiritual guidance, membership, etc.,
I personally would not want records of my baptism, confirmation,
marriage, etc., to be used in this manner in the future for re-baptism.
Not that I wouldn't know how to respond :)

I believe that we have much microfilm to research in order to get a good
grasp on who our ancestors were and how they lived.

Irma

Juan Padilla y Petrona de Siordia

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Hola Todos, how is everybody doing ? Fine I hope. My I tried to contact Guillermo Padilla Origel about his article in www.somosprimos.com concerning Los Padilla Davila in the July 2004 issue ,but his e-mail was no good. My ancestors are Juan Padilla married to Petrona de Siordia en feb 14 in 1616 in Aguascalientes. I was trying to figure out who were Juan Padilla 's ancestors. I was confused in the way Guillermo Padilla Origel set it up. I'm just really slow and confused,what makes it worse in Jose Luis Vazquez's book GENEALOGIA DE NOCHISTLAN,page 191 he states Juan Padilla (y Delgadillo).

Luz Montejano's book: "Mitra de Guadalajara . . . "

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Veronica,

Even as a somewhat impulsive bibliophile, I find the decision of buying a
specialty book to be highly personal with different motivations for each.

So, as to this book, let me just make a few comments for your

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On May 11, 2008, at 2:05 AM, From: "Efrain Conrique"

>
> If you fall in this latter category, and tell us where you live, I
> may be
> able to suggest a location where you could read or borrow a copy
> for you to
> peruse.
>
> Saludos
>
> Efrain
>
>
Where would a person living around Milwaukee, Wisconsin read,
borrow, or tell their local library where to borrow this book from?

Linda

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Here are the libraries I found that own it from WorldCat and another
book she wrote further down below:

Location Library Code
US,AZ ARIZONA STATE LIBR, ARCH & PUB RECORDS AZP
US,AZ UNIV OF ARIZONA AZU
US,CA FRESNO CNTY FREE LIBR JQR
US,CA LOS ANGELES PUB LIBR LPU
US,CA SAN DIEGO PUB LIBR JTB
US,CA STANFORD UNIV LIBR STF
US,CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, BERKELEY CUY
US,CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, RIVERSIDE CRU
US,DC LIBRARY OF CONGRESS DLC
US,FL UNIV OF FLORIDA FUG
US,IN ALLEN CNTY PUB LIBR IMF
US,LA TULANE UNIV LRU
US,MA HARVARD UNIV, HARVARD COL LIBR HLS
US,MI UNIV OF MICHIGAN LIBR EYM
US,NM ALBUQUERQUE/BERNALILLO CNTY LIBR QUE
US,NM NEW MEXICO STATE UNIV IRU
US,NM UNIV OF NEW MEXICO IQU
US,NV UNIV OF NEVADA, RENO NNY
US,NY NEW YORK PUB LIBR RES LIBR NYP
US,TX CORPUS CHRISTI PUB LIBR CCA
US,TX HOUSTON PUB LIBR TXN
US,TX LAREDO PUB LIBR DB$
US,TX SAN ANTONIO PUB LIBR SAP
US,TX TEXAS A&M INT UNIV TLS
US,TX UNIV OF N TEXAS INT
US,TX UNIV OF TEXAS, PAN AM TPN

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Title: Sagrada mitra de Guadalajara, antiguo obispado de la Nueva
Galicia :
expedientes de la serie de matrimonios extractos siglos XVII-XVIII /
Author(s): Montejano Hilton, María de la Luz.
Publication: México, D.F. : M. Montejano Hilton,
Year: 1999
Description: xxi, 803 p. ; 28 cm.
Language: Spanish
Standard No: LCCN: 2004-443491
SUBJECT(S)
Descriptor: Marriage records -- Mexico -- Guadalajara -- 17th century.
Marriage records -- Mexico -- Guadalajara -- 18th century.
Registros públicos de matrimonios -- México -- Guadalajara.
Geographic: Guadalajara (Mexico) -- Genealogy.
Mexico -- Genealogy.
Guadalajara (México) -- Geneología.
Note(s): Includes index.
Class Descriptors: LC: CS108.G8; Dewey: 929/.34649
Other Titles: Expedientes de la serie de matrimonios extractos
siglos XVII-XVIII
Responsibility: María de la Luz Montejano Hilton.
Material Type: Biography (bio)
Document Type: Book
Entry: 20040617
Update: 20080408
Accession No: OCLC: 42521144
Database: WorldCat

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Location Library Code
US,CA CALIFORNIA STATE LIBR-SUTRO LIBR SUTRO
US,CA ESCONDIDO PUB LIBR JQQ
US,CA FRESNO CNTY FREE LIBR JQR
US,CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, RIVERSIDE CRU
US,IN ALLEN CNTY PUB LIBR IMF
US,TX LAREDO PUB LIBR DB$
US,TX UNIV OF N TEXAS INT

Record for Item: "Libros parroquiales de la..."( Libraries with Item )
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Title: Libros parroquiales de la ciudad de México :
extractos /
Author(s): Montejano Hilton, María de la Luz.
Publication: [México, D.F. : NARM, Arte Impresos y Diseño,
Year: 1993
Description: ii, 94 leaves ; 23 cm.
Language: Spanish
SUBJECT(S)
Descriptor: Marriage records -- Mexico -- Mexico City -- Catalogs.
Church records and registers -- Mexico -- Mexico City -- Catalogs.
Matrimonio -- Registros públicos -- México -- México -- Catálogos.
Geographic: Mexico City (Mexico) -- History -- 19th century --
Sources -- Catalogs.
México (México) -- Historia -- Siglo XIX -- Fuentes -- Catálogos.
Identifier: Registros eclesiásticos; México; México; Catálogos.
Note(s): "Primera serie, num. 1, noviembre de 1993."/ Includes index.
Class Descriptors: LC: CS108.M63; Dewey: 929.37253
Responsibility: María de la Luz Montejano Hilton.
Document Type: Book
Entry: 20020109
Update: 20051109
Accession No: OCLC: 48758569
Database: WorldCat

Linda wrote:
> Where would a person living around Milwaukee, Wisconsin read,
> borrow, or tell their local library where to borrow this book from?
>
> Linda
>

Comentario

Joseph, my name is Daniel A. Esparza, I recently joined nc.rr.com. I have a number of questions and was wondering if you have a phone number and if you authorized folks to call you. I have read most of the information on the web site yet I still have questions i.e., the below listed publications, what kind of information do they have and or could I find a book that has information on marriages in the state of Jalisco, etc.

If you do have a phone nuber can I call you. Thank you.

Daniel A. Esparza
tiodann@msn.com> Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 10:18:58 -0400> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's book: "Mitra de Guadalajara . . . "> > Here are the libraries I found that own it from WorldCat and another > book she wrote further down below:> > Location Library Code> US,AZ ARIZONA STATE LIBR, ARCH & PUB RECORDS AZP > US,AZ UNIV OF ARIZONA AZU > US,CA FRESNO CNTY FREE LIBR JQR > US,CA LOS ANGELES PUB LIBR LPU > US,CA SAN DIEGO PUB LIBR JTB > US,CA STANFORD UNIV LIBR STF > US,CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, BERKELEY CUY > US,CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, RIVERSIDE CRU > US,DC LIBRARY OF CONGRESS DLC > US,FL UNIV OF FLORIDA FUG > US,IN ALLEN CNTY PUB LIBR IMF > US,LA TULANE UNIV LRU > US,MA HARVARD UNIV, HARVARD COL LIBR HLS > US,MI UNIV OF MICHIGAN LIBR EYM > US,NM ALBUQUERQUE/BERNALILLO CNTY LIBR QUE > US,NM NEW MEXICO STATE UNIV IRU > US,NM UNIV OF NEW MEXICO IQU > US,NV UNIV OF NEVADA, RENO NNY > US,NY NEW YORK PUB LIBR RES LIBR NYP > US,TX CORPUS CHRISTI PUB LIBR CCA > US,TX HOUSTON PUB LIBR TXN > US,TX LAREDO PUB LIBR DB$ > US,TX SAN ANTONIO PUB LIBR SAP > US,TX TEXAS A&M INT UNIV TLS > US,TX UNIV OF N TEXAS INT > US,TX UNIV OF TEXAS, PAN AM TPN > > Record for Item: "Sagrada mitra de Guadalaj..."( Libraries with Item )> Get This Item> # Availability: Check the catalogs in your library. Libraries > worldwide that own item: 26> # External Resources: Link to external web site Cite This Item> Find Related> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author | > Advanced options ...> Title: Sagrada mitra de Guadalajara, antiguo obispado de la Nueva > Galicia :> expedientes de la serie de matrimonios extractos siglos XVII-XVIII /> Author(s): Montejano Hilton, María de la Luz.> Publication: México, D.F. : M. Montejano Hilton,> Year: 1999> Description: xxi, 803 p. ; 28 cm.> Language: Spanish> Standard No: LCCN: 2004-443491> SUBJECT(S)> Descriptor: Marriage records -- Mexico -- Guadalajara -- 17th century.> Marriage records -- Mexico -- Guadalajara -- 18th century.> Registros públicos de matrimonios -- México -- Guadalajara.> Geographic: Guadalajara (Mexico) -- Genealogy.> Mexico -- Genealogy.> Guadalajara (México) -- Geneología.> Note(s): Includes index.> Class Descriptors: LC: CS108.G8; Dewey: 929/.34649> Other Titles: Expedientes de la serie de matrimonios extractos > siglos XVII-XVIII> Responsibility: María de la Luz Montejano Hilton.> Material Type: Biography (bio)> Document Type: Book> Entry: 20040617> Update: 20080408> Accession No: OCLC: 42521144> Database: WorldCat> > =============> =============> > Location Library Code> US,CA CALIFORNIA STATE LIBR-SUTRO LIBR SUTRO > US,CA ESCONDIDO PUB LIBR JQQ > US,CA FRESNO CNTY FREE LIBR JQR > US,CA UNIV OF CALIFORNIA, RIVERSIDE CRU > US,IN ALLEN CNTY PUB LIBR IMF > US,TX LAREDO PUB LIBR DB$ > US,TX UNIV OF N TEXAS INT > > Record for Item: "Libros parroquiales de la..."( Libraries with Item )> Get This Item> # Availability: Check the catalogs in your library. Libraries > worldwide that own item: 7> # External Resources: Link to external web site Cite This Item> Find Related> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author | > Advanced options ...> Title: Libros parroquiales de la ciudad de México :> extractos /> Author(s): Montejano Hilton, María de la Luz.> Publication: [México, D.F. : NARM, Arte Impresos y Diseño,> Year: 1993> Description: ii, 94 leaves ; 23 cm.> Language: Spanish> SUBJECT(S)> Descriptor: Marriage records -- Mexico -- Mexico City -- Catalogs.> Church records and registers -- Mexico -- Mexico City -- Catalogs.> Matrimonio -- Registros públicos -- México -- México -- Catálogos.> Geographic: Mexico City (Mexico) -- History -- 19th century -- > Sources -- Catalogs.> México (México) -- Historia -- Siglo XIX -- Fuentes -- Catálogos.> Identifier: Registros eclesiásticos; México; México; Catálogos.> Note(s): "Primera serie, num. 1, noviembre de 1993."/ Includes index.> Class Descriptors: LC: CS108.M63; Dewey: 929.37253> Responsibility: María de la Luz Montejano Hilton.> Document Type: Book> Entry: 20020109> Update: 20051109> Accession No: OCLC: 48758569> Database: WorldCat> > Linda wrote:> > Where would a person living around Milwaukee, Wisconsin read, > > borrow, or tell their local library where to borrow this book from?> >> > Linda> >> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Indigenous Mexico Presentation - May 17

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ANNOUNCEMENT

Indigenous Mexico: A Remarkable Diversity
Location: Los Angeles Regional Family History Center
Address: 10741 Santa Monica Blvd., Los Angeles, California 90025
Date: Saturday, May 17, 2008

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Dear members:

Please make sure that your messages are posted to the appropriate list.

We have made three lists on the site in order to allow members to "opt out" of some discussions. The only way that we can honor their preferences is for topics to be posted in the appropriate list.

The research list is ONLY for questions or discussion related to specific genealogical research.

The general list can include topics tangentially related to genealogical research including ethnography, history, traditions, software related questions, etc.

All event announcements should be posted on the announcement list.

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The Vatican blocks Mormon access to records | A Soft A...

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Hi

I thought that the copies were the ones in Mexico City at the Archivo de la
Nacion? At least that is what I heard a long time ago. I never heard that
each church was to get one. Also, do you mean $3.00...30.00?

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Hi there Mickey ,

The films can be purchased in Mexico City from I believe the Archivo General Nacional for about $ 350.00 pesos not dollars , that's about $ 35.00 US dlrs.
You can do it via mail but it's not recommended . If you know of anyone visiting Mexico City they can go there and purchase them .

Take care,
Welester> Hi> > I thought that the copies were the ones in Mexico City at the Archivo de la > Nacion? At least that is what I heard a long time ago. I never heard that > each church was to get one. Also, do you mean $3.00...30.00?> > Mickey> > > In a message dated 5/8/2008 10:39:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, > rickrod.com@gmail.com writes:> > Well I was really surprised, as most people here in Los Altos, when I first> found out that the Mormon Church was granted authorization to microfilm all> these records that we've been so gratefully using for our research.> > When I first went to the Parrish in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco (one of the> oldest in the Los Altos region) they told me that one of the conditions for> the Mormons to microfilm their records was that they would give each church> a copy of every film that was created. According to the people here, this> never happened. Instead, they were told recently that they could purchase> each film for $3000 dollars. I'm not saying
this is what actually happened> or that it didn't, just that this is what I was told in Jalos.> > Rick> > > >
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Mickey, you said "You can do it via mail but it's not recommended". What is the reason for that?

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: Lester Alvarado
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 5:42 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] films from the Archivos in Mexico City

Hi there Mickey ,

The films can be purchased in Mexico City from I believe the Archivo General Nacional for about $ 350.00 pesos not dollars , that's about $ 35.00 US dlrs.
You can do it via mail but it's not recommended . If you know of anyone visiting Mexico City they can go there and purchase them .

Take care,
Welester> Hi> > I thought that the copies were the ones in Mexico City at the Archivo de la > Nacion? At least that is what I heard a long time ago. I never heard that > each church was to get one. Also, do you mean $3.00...30.00?> > Mickey> > > In a message dated 5/8/2008 10:39:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, > rickrod.com@gmail.com writes:> > Well I was really surprised, as most people here in Los Altos, when I first> found out that the Mormon Church was granted authorization to microfilm all> these records that we've been so gratefully using for our research.> > When I first went to the Parrish in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco (one of the> oldest in the Los Altos region) they told me that one of the conditions for> the Mormons to microfilm their records was that they would give each church> a copy of every film that was created. According to the people here, this> never happened. Instead, they were told recently that they could purchase> each film f
or $3000 dollars. I'm not saying
this is what actually happened> or that it didn't, just that this is what I was told in Jalos.> > Rick> > > >
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Welester, how can you purchase the micorfilm via mail? Im thinking of doing that now that this whole mormon-catholic thing is going on....-Daniel
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Hi there Daniel ,

You can go to www.agn.gob.mx and go to DISPOSICIONES DIVERSAS and clik on " Cuotas de Recuperacion .

HOWEVER I DON'T RECOMMEND IT ! Just about all the people I know that have sent money to buy films have been dooped .
They always say that the money never arrived . Your choice though .

Good luck ,
Welester> > Welester, how can you purchase the micorfilm via mail? Im thinking of doing that now that this whole mormon-catholic thing is going on....-Daniel>
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The Pope and the Mormons

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Hi Emily,

I'm addressing this to you because you were the most rational in
explaining the controversy.

What I don't understand is why the Pope is all upset about a religion
he does not recognize as legitimate taking a list of dead peoples

Comentarios

Comentario

Hi, Linda,

Thanks for your sentiments. I appreciate it.

What discourages me about the Pope's letter is that now the local parishes will have more of an excuse to brush off us genealogists. Many don't want to take the time, or are afraid and suspicious that people might cause them to betray the confidentiality of the deceased.

Governments proclaimed that after 70 years confidentiality is not the concern for the deceased as for those still alive. I have had much trouble getting information from the churches in New Mexico, Arizona, and Texas whose records the diocese never permitted filming by the Mormons. Now they can just wave the Pope's or bishops' letters at me and tell me they have an edict not to share any information, just because it will be easier for them to not have to bother with such requests.

Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: Linda
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 6:01 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Pope and the Mormons

Hi Emily,

I'm addressing this to you because you were the most rational in
explaining the controversy.

What I don't understand is why the Pope is all upset about a religion
he does not recognize as legitimate taking a list of dead peoples
names and saying something (he does not recognize as being
legitimate) over them. It will not change what those people believed
when they were alive. Nothing can change what the deceased believe
after they die. They're dead, they can't change their mind. If they
were Catholic when alive, that's what they are now. If they were
Jewish when alive, nothing can change that. They remain what they
believed when alive.

It looks like anyone can go to a cemetery and copy a list of names
from the tombstones and claim to re-baptize them and the Pope will
recognize it's legitimacy by getting upset. Doesn't he have faith
the Catholic religion is strong enough to resist posthumous baptisms
from the Mormons?

I certainly hope the Pope doesn't follow through with this. It will
hurt more than genealogists.

Linda

Comentario

I agree wholeheartedly with you, Linda. Through the ages, the Roman Church
as served as records-keeper for the communities in which Roman Catholicism
has taken root. As such, the clergy became public servants, dutifully
recording important "legal" events which occurred in their
jurisdiction--such as births, baptisms, marriages and deaths. Now, the
Church has blurred the boundaries between religion and government by
withholding what is by any reasonable definition public information. I feel
certain that those innocent citizens who allowed the clergy to create and
maintain these records never expected the information to be suppressed by
those same clerics.

The Pope has stepped away from his role as religious leader, in order to
make a political statement against the Mormon Church--which has no basis in
Scripture, nor in formal Church teachings. Not only is it a petty move,
analogous to taking home one's bat and mitt, but it is an abrogation of the
implicit contract the Church had with these communities--to keep records, in
lieu of local government.

It's not just the genealogists who will suffer, should the Vatican maintain
its stance. It betrays all of those who relied on their local church to
partially perform the duties of local government.

Karr

Comentario

I disagree with this view. The Catholic Church is a religion; not a
government. While I agree that the Pope's decision is unfortunate for
those of us with interest in genealogical work, I believe directing our
criticisms at the Catholic Church ignores the fact that another religion
is using the Church's records for improper purposes; purposes that
offend the Catholic religion. Each religion has its own doctrines and
beliefs. So to argue that it does not hurt the Catholic Church to have
another religion use its own records to perform acts that offend its
beliefs is to ignore the fundamental reason any religions exist. The
Catholic Church is not telling Mormons how to practice their religion;
it is simply saying that we are not going to be accomplices to acts that
offend ours. Perhaps efforts should be made to ask the LDS to stop
baptizing deceased Catholics, which is the real reason that the Catholic
Church has closed its doors to LDS. The use of the records was a
privilege, which the LDS abused.

I also think it is somewhat ironic to claim that the Pope's decision has
not basis in Scripture. I find that the LDS decision to baptize
deceased Catholics has no basis in LDS philosophy. Most non-Mormons are
aware of LDS's interest in genealogy, but most people do not know the
reason for this interest. Of course there's nothing wrong with being
interested in genealogy, but it's far from just an interest for the LDS.
For the LDS, the whole point behind genealogical work is the idea that
those who died as non-Mormons can be baptized vicariously and thus
become Mormons posthumously. Before anyone can go to an LDS temple and,
among other things, be baptized for the dead, he first must be judged
worthy to go there. A person can't just show up at the temple doors and
expect admittance. No one is given entrance without producing a current
"temple recommend," rather like a spiritual identification card, which
certifies his status as a righteous Mormon. In other words, if I wanted
to be baptized Mormon, I would have to be judged worthy before being
baptized. Yet, deceased Catholics are baptized posthumously without any
evidence that they desired to become Mormons or believe in the Mormon
doctrines.

I also strongly disagree that deceased Catholics would be upset that the
Pope took steps to keep LDS from offending Catholic beliefs. On the
contrary, deceased Catholics would be overwhelmingly disturbed by the
arrogance of LDS to select their religion, given the evidence that their
choice was to be Catholic. My grandfather was a devote Catholic and
would be mortified to learn that the LDS posthumously baptized him into
their religion; a religion he does not belong to, or believe in. This
holds true for the deceased Catholic popes that have been posthumously
baptized by LDS. Catholics are not the only ones protesting these acts.
Jews, too, have expressed their anger at LDS. This issue boiled over
when LDS baptized holocaust victims, including people like Anne Frank.
This protest led to a 1995 agreement by LDS to remove 400,000 Jewish
names from its records. In my eyes, this is not a controversy about the
Catholics Church withholding religious (not government) records from
LDS; but the abuse by LDS of the privilege to access the records of
another religion.

I support any effort to convince LDS to stop abusing this privilege.

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Karr
Wolfe
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 7:37 AM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Pope and the Mormons

I agree wholeheartedly with you, Linda. Through the ages, the Roman
Church
as served as records-keeper for the communities in which Roman
Catholicism
has taken root. As such, the clergy became public servants, dutifully
recording important "legal" events which occurred in their
jurisdiction--such as births, baptisms, marriages and deaths. Now, the
Church has blurred the boundaries between religion and government by
withholding what is by any reasonable definition public information. I
feel
certain that those innocent citizens who allowed the clergy to create
and
maintain these records never expected the information to be suppressed
by
those same clerics.

The Pope has stepped away from his role as religious leader, in order to
make a political statement against the Mormon Church--which has no basis
in
Scripture, nor in formal Church teachings. Not only is it a petty move,
analogous to taking home one's bat and mitt, but it is an abrogation of
the
implicit contract the Church had with these communities--to keep
records, in
lieu of local government.

It's not just the genealogists who will suffer, should the Vatican
maintain
its stance. It betrays all of those who relied on their local church to
partially perform the duties of local government.

Karr

Comentario

I agree  with Linda and Karr,  and further in my humble opinion, I believe  that  we  are  all  here to help one another with our genealogy research.  Bashing Mormons  is not part of our research, and I believe that whoever has negative comments that do not deal with research, should be dealt with privately with those that agree with such comments.  I am sure many of us don't want to waste our valuable time with pettiness.

Thank you.   - Esther Jordan

I agree wholeheartedly with you, Linda.  Through the ages, the Roman Church
as served as records-keeper for the communities in which Roman Catholicism
has taken root.  As such, the clergy became public servants, dutifully
recording important "legal" events which occurred in their
jurisdiction--such as births, baptisms, marriages and deaths.  Now, the
Church has blurred the boundaries between religion and government by
withholding what is by any reasonable definition public information.  I feel
certain that those innocent citizens who allowed the clergy to create and
maintain these records never expected the information to be suppressed by
those same clerics.  

The Pope has stepped away from his role as religious leader, in order to
make a political statement against the Mormon Church--which has no basis in
Scripture, nor in formal Church teachings.  Not only is it a petty move,
analogous to taking home one's bat and mitt, but it is an abrogation of the
implicit contract the Church had with these communities--to keep records, in
lieu of local government.

It's not just the genealogists who will suffer, should the Vatican maintain
its stance.  It betrays all of those who relied on their local church to
partially perform the duties of local government.

Karr

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And neither is bashing Catholics. So, I suggest that people refrain
from making negative comments about any religion.

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Esther
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 12:12 PM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Pope and the Mormons

I agree with Linda and Karr, and further in my humble opinion, I
believe that we are all here to help one another with our genealogy
research. Bashing Mormons is not part of our research, and I believe
that whoever has negative comments that do not deal with research,
should be dealt with privately with those that agree with such comments.
I am sure many of us don't want to waste our valuable time with
pettiness.

Thank you. - Esther Jordan

I agree wholeheartedly with you, Linda. Through the ages, the Roman
Church

as served as records-keeper for the communities in which Roman
Catholicism

has taken root. As such, the clergy became public servants, dutifully

recording important "legal" events which occurred in their

jurisdiction--such as births, baptisms, marriages and deaths. Now, the

Church has blurred the boundaries between religion and government by

withholding what is by any reasonable definition public information. I
feel

certain that those innocent citizens who allowed the clergy to create
and

maintain these records never expected the information to be suppressed
by

those same clerics.

The Pope has stepped away from his role as religious leader, in order to

make a political statement against the Mormon Church--which has no basis
in

Scripture, nor in formal Church teachings. Not only is it a petty move,

analogous to taking home one's bat and mitt, but it is an abrogation of
the

implicit contract the Church had with these communities--to keep
records, in

lieu of local government.

It's not just the genealogists who will suffer, should the Vatican
maintain

its stance. It betrays all of those who relied on their local church to

partially perform the duties of local government.

Karr

Comentario

Yes I like the direction of Esther's message. I'm not saying that we
need to stop the discussion but maybe focus it on the goals and purpose
of the group: "serious research of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
Aguascalientes."

So if we can move this discussion in this direction I'm all for it
continuing, but if the discussion moves any further away from the focus
of the group then I'm in favor of taking it to private email.

If you continue on this thread please choose your words carefully.

thanks,

joseph

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Esther wrote:
> I agree with Linda and Karr, and further in my humble opinion, I believe that we are all here to help one another with our genealogy research. Bashing Mormons is not part of our research, and I believe that whoever has negative comments that do not deal with research, should be dealt with privately with those that agree with such comments. I am sure many of us don't want to waste our valuable time with pettiness.
>
> Thank you. - Esther Jordan
>
>
> I agree wholeheartedly with you, Linda. Through the ages, the Roman Church
> as served as records-keeper for the communities in which Roman Catholicism
> has taken root. As such, the clergy became public servants, dutifully
> recording important "legal" events which occurred in their
> jurisdiction--such as births, baptisms, marriages and deaths. Now, the
> Church has blurred the boundaries between religion and government by
> withholding what is by any reasonable definition public information. I feel
> certain that those innocent citizens who allowed the clergy to create and
> maintain these records never expected the information to be suppressed by
> those same clerics.
>
> The Pope has stepped away from his role as religious leader, in order to
> make a political statement against the Mormon Church--which has no basis in
> Scripture, nor in formal Church teachings. Not only is it a petty move,
> analogous to taking home one's bat and mitt, but it is an abrogation of the
> implicit contract the Church had with these communities--to keep records, in
> lieu of local government.
>
> It's not just the genealogists who will suffer, should the Vatican maintain
> its stance. It betrays all of those who relied on their local church to
> partially perform the duties of local government.
>
> Karr
>

Comentario

Ok, back to what we might do to advance our research. I am now reconsidering posting my genealogy on LDS site in respect for my ancestors and their beliefs. It was my understanding that the goal of the Mormons was simply to find everyone. This of course limits information which is counteractive to genealogy.

Maybe we should contact both the Mormon and the Catholics. Request that they come to some kind of understanding. Right now the trust has been broken and this creates problems for all parties. The mistrust will slow the progression of the work of the Mormons and create problems for those re-discovering their Catholic roots and the importance this religion played in their family history. If no understanding and tolerance of other's beliefs is forthcoming, I agree that we should request that the Catholic church make records more easily accessible to researchers.

My thinking is we need to contact both sides of the conflict and address how this is affecting us. Does anyone have contact information for the Mormon and Catholic Churches? May I suggest all of us writing letters directed to the same persons in each faith. Fifty letters to one person high up in each faith may have more an impact than possibly one or two letters to one of the numerous Heads of the Mormons and one or two letters to numerous Bishops.

These letters would of course not attack either faith, but just address the difficulty that the conflict will cause in our research and how this impacts our respect for the religion. We need to come up with a winning solution for us, while showing the religious leaders how it will positively affect their goals.

Maureen Bejar

Comentario

Has the Catholic church asked the LDS church to return all documentation? I
don't think that is the case. Based on the article I just read at
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0802443.htm, it looks like they
want to halt records from now on. Is that correct?

The article also states that the Catholic and Mormon churches are planning
on having a dialogue about this soon. I checked the Vatican site, but there
is no way to submit a request or comment. I did find an email submission
form on my local diocese's web page. Maybe we should all submit a request to
our own diocese to get this rescinded?

What do you think?

Veronica Vidaure Rahorn

Comentario

I am Mormon! The Catholic church wants to halt documentation starting now. All previous is there's to keep. The good thing is we got all the records on average 1910 and all previous years. So I think everyone in the world should do their genealogy in this generation.
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I agree. In either case, neither one of the two sides will change their
views. The question is what can we do about this? There was a comment on
another note if the Vatican is going to deny access to those records perhaps
they should do as the Mormons in the sense that they should set up family
centers to grant access to those who want to solely look at historical
records.
--
America Calleros

Comentario

The Catholic Archives of the DIocese has those records. In Austen, Tx there is a Catholic Archive for that Diocese. I do don't know about the others. I know in Monterrey, the nums access the original documents, but am not sure. - Mickey or Lester is thir correct?
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "America Calleros" : --------------

> I agree. In either case, neither one of the two sides will change their
> views. The question is what can we do about this? There was a comment on
> another note if the Vatican is going to deny access to those records perhaps
> they should do as the Mormons in the sense that they should set up family
> centers to grant access to those who want to solely look at historical
> records.
> --
> America Calleros

Comentario

Hi there Esther ,

Let me see if I read this correctly , the question here is that there are original documents in Monterrey that nuns are in possession of . If that's the question then yes , there are two nuns that are in charge of documents for just about all of the state of Nuevo Leon . They will type the info found for you at a modest cost . A person can actually see and hold the books where the docs. are .

Welester> The Catholic Archives of the DIocese has those records. In Austen, Tx there is a Catholic Archive for that Diocese. I do don't know about the others. I know in Monterrey, the nums access the original documents, but am not sure. - Mickey or Lester is thir correct?> --> Esther A. Herold>
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Felix -- you said "In my eyes, this is not a controversy about the
Catholics Church withholding religious (not government) records from
LDS; but the abuse by LDS of the privilege to access the records of
another religion....I support any effort to convince LDS to stop abusing this privilege".

I think what Karr meant was that the Church was the State before separation of the two, and those old Catholic records functioned as civil records. Scholars and other approved learned people had access to them for genealogical and other purposes even then. Also, I would hope that the LDS church would not remove the Catholic records as they did the Jewish records after they realized the re-baptisms were abuse of the privelege of obtaining the records, but leave them in for our perusal with the understanding that they would only desist in classifying them as baptized Mormons.

Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: Felix De La Torre
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Pope and the Mormons

I disagree with this view. The Catholic Church is a religion; not a
government. While I agree that the Pope's decision is unfortunate for
those of us with interest in genealogical work, I believe directing our
criticisms at the Catholic Church ignores the fact that another religion
is using the Church's records for improper purposes; purposes that
offend the Catholic religion. Each religion has its own doctrines and
beliefs. So to argue that it does not hurt the Catholic Church to have
another religion use its own records to perform acts that offend its
beliefs is to ignore the fundamental reason any religions exist. The
Catholic Church is not telling Mormons how to practice their religion;
it is simply saying that we are not going to be accomplices to acts that
offend ours. Perhaps efforts should be made to ask the LDS to stop
baptizing deceased Catholics, which is the real reason that the Catholic
Church has closed its doors to LDS. The use of the records was a
privilege, which the LDS abused.

I also think it is somewhat ironic to claim that the Pope's decision has
not basis in Scripture. I find that the LDS decision to baptize
deceased Catholics has no basis in LDS philosophy. Most non-Mormons are
aware of LDS's interest in genealogy, but most people do not know the
reason for this interest. Of course there's nothing wrong with being
interested in genealogy, but it's far from just an interest for the LDS.
For the LDS, the whole point behind genealogical work is the idea that
those who died as non-Mormons can be baptized vicariously and thus
become Mormons posthumously. Before anyone can go to an LDS temple and,
among other things, be baptized for the dead, he first must be judged
worthy to go there. A person can't just show up at the temple doors and
expect admittance. No one is given entrance without producing a current
"temple recommend," rather like a spiritual identification card, which
certifies his status as a righteous Mormon. In other words, if I wanted
to be baptized Mormon, I would have to be judged worthy before being
baptized. Yet, deceased Catholics are baptized posthumously without any
evidence that they desired to become Mormons or believe in the Mormon
doctrines.

I also strongly disagree that deceased Catholics would be upset that the
Pope took steps to keep LDS from offending Catholic beliefs. On the
contrary, deceased Catholics would be overwhelmingly disturbed by the
arrogance of LDS to select their religion, given the evidence that their
choice was to be Catholic. My grandfather was a devote Catholic and
would be mortified to learn that the LDS posthumously baptized him into
their religion; a religion he does not belong to, or believe in. This
holds true for the deceased Catholic popes that have been posthumously
baptized by LDS. Catholics are not the only ones protesting these acts.
Jews, too, have expressed their anger at LDS. This issue boiled over
when LDS baptized holocaust victims, including people like Anne Frank.
This protest led to a 1995 agreement by LDS to remove 400,000 Jewish
names from its records. In my eyes, this is not a controversy about the
Catholics Church withholding religious (not government) records from
LDS; but the abuse by LDS of the privilege to access the records of
another religion.

I support any effort to convince LDS to stop abusing this privilege.

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Karr
Wolfe
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 7:37 AM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Pope and the Mormons

I agree wholeheartedly with you, Linda. Through the ages, the Roman
Church
as served as records-keeper for the communities in which Roman
Catholicism
has taken root. As such, the clergy became public servants, dutifully
recording important "legal" events which occurred in their
jurisdiction--such as births, baptisms, marriages and deaths. Now, the
Church has blurred the boundaries between religion and government by
withholding what is by any reasonable definition public information. I
feel
certain that those innocent citizens who allowed the clergy to create
and
maintain these records never expected the information to be suppressed
by
those same clerics.

The Pope has stepped away from his role as religious leader, in order to
make a political statement against the Mormon Church--which has no basis
in
Scripture, nor in formal Church teachings. Not only is it a petty move,
analogous to taking home one's bat and mitt, but it is an abrogation of
the
implicit contract the Church had with these communities--to keep
records, in
lieu of local government.

It's not just the genealogists who will suffer, should the Vatican
maintain
its stance. It betrays all of those who relied on their local church to
partially perform the duties of local government.

Karr

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This is a very interesting view, I am a Mormon. I nmy opinion I believe we should only baptize those who are in our family in respect to the catholic church. We have the right to baptize those who are in relation to us. One thing I dont agree with my church is baptizing just anyone without any consent of another party who isnt related to a person. For example I baptize my ancestors because I descend from them, Im not gonna go around baptzing people who I have no idea who they are. We dont baptize the dead as mormons. This is a very contraversial matter. ITs very difficult to explain. I totally agree that non-mormons should be able to continue having access to these records if they were to be discontinued because geneaolgy is really about discovering who and where you came from not just to baptize people. Also, just b/c we baptize the dead doesnt mean they will accept the baptism. We believe once we baptize them they have the option to say yes or no. About your comment on the temple and the deceased no knowing anything on doctrine; we believe that all dead are taught and once someone baptises them they can choose to accept it or not.
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The Vatican blocks Mormon access to records | A Soft Answer

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This is a link to a Mormon site about the controversy re re-baptisms of Catholics.

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I have been a member of NR for several months now but never posted before. I've searched some of the records on the NR site but found very few of my Mexican ancestors listed either here or on familysearch.

This subject of the pope and the records was a real hot button topic for me & I'm sure for many others here. I have been actively researching my heritage for 11 years. Also, I happen to be LDS but the church's beliefs are NOT my reason for searching for my ancestors. I have done temple work on their behalfs in the past but now prefer to just spend what little time I have on research rather than making it my life's mission to "baptize" every tom, dick & harry who happens to be in my family tree.

There are alot of things I do believe in in regards to Mormon belief as well as plenty I disagree with-one thing is they (the LDS) need to learn tolerance for others because it is up to everyone to worship as they see fit as per our 12 articles of faith. But for the Catholic church to take away the access to the records from everyone in an attempt to ensure that none of their baptized deceased members can be rebaptized Mormon ruins things for those interested in genealogy (both LDS members & non LDS alike) who have a right to the records concerning their deceased ancestors regardless of what their religion in this life was.

I have had relatives notice the temple ordinances noted in my database on various common ancestors from time to time who literally jumped down my throat for having done the work which didn't really mean all that much to me because everyone is supposed to have the free agency to choose for themselves as to whether to accept or reject the ordinances performed for them. It's like leading a horse to water; the LDS can do the work, but can't make that spirit accept the work done for them. Contrary to the LDS church's teachings, I believe God sees our hearts and when we stand before him to account for ourselves, I don't really think it's going to matter to Him all that much whether we went to the RIGHT or WRONG church, or had this ordinance or that done.

Juli D. Quinteros de Hernandez
Dallas, TX

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I have been a member of NR for several months now but never posted before. I've searched some of the records on the NR site but found very few of my Mexican ancestors listed either here or on familysearch.

This subject of the pope and the records was a real hot button topic for me & I'm sure for many others here. I have been actively researching my heritage for 11 years. Also, I happen to be LDS but the church's beliefs are NOT my reason for searching for my ancestors. I have done temple work on their behalfs in the past but now prefer to just spend what little time I have on research rather than making it my life's mission to "baptize" every tom, dick & harry who happens to be in my family tree.

There are alot of things I do believe in in regards to Mormon belief as well as plenty I disagree with-one thing is they (the LDS) need to learn tolerance for others because it is up to everyone to worship as they see fit as per our 12 articles of faith. But for the Catholic church to take away the access to the records from everyone in an attempt to ensure that none of their baptized deceased members can be rebaptized Mormon ruins things for those interested in genealogy (both LDS members & non LDS alike) who have a right to the records concerning their deceased ancestors regardless of what their religion in this life was.

I have had relatives notice the temple ordinances noted in my database on various common ancestors from time to time who literally jumped down my throat for having done the work which didn't really mean all that much to me because everyone is supposed to have the free agency to choose for themselves as to whether to accept or reject the ordinances performed for them. It's like leading a horse to water; the LDS can do the work, but can't make that spirit accept the work done for them. Contrary to the LDS church's teachings, I believe God sees our hearts and when we stand before him to account for ourselves, I don't really think it's going to matter to Him all that much whether we went to the RIGHT or WRONG church, or had this ordinance or that done.

Juli D. Quinteros de Hernandez
Dallas, TX

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I have been a member of NR for several months now but never posted before. I've searched some of the records on the NR site but found very few of my Mexican ancestors listed either here or on familysearch.

This subject of the pope and the records was a real hot button topic for me & I'm sure for many others here. I have been actively researching my heritage for 11 years. Also, I happen to be LDS but the church's beliefs are NOT my reason for searching for my ancestors. I have done temple work on their behalfs in the past but now prefer to just spend what little time I have on research rather than making it my life's mission to "baptize" every tom, dick & harry who happens to be in my family tree.

There are alot of things I do believe in in regards to Mormon belief as well as plenty I disagree with-one thing is they (the LDS) need to learn tolerance for others because it is up to everyone to worship as they see fit as per our 12 articles of faith. But for the Catholic church to take away the access to the records from everyone in an attempt to ensure that none of their baptized deceased members can be rebaptized Mormon ruins things for those interested in genealogy (both LDS members & non LDS alike) who have a right to the records concerning their deceased ancestors regardless of what their religion in this life was.

I have had relatives notice the temple ordinances noted in my database on various common ancestors from time to time who literally jumped down my throat for having done the work which didn't really mean all that much to me because everyone is supposed to have the free agency to choose for themselves as to whether to accept or reject the ordinances performed for them. It's like leading a horse to water; the LDS can do the work, but can't make that spirit accept the work done for them. Contrary to the LDS church's teachings, I believe God sees our hearts and when we stand before him to account for ourselves, I don't really think it's going to matter to Him all that much whether we went to the RIGHT or WRONG church, or had this ordinance or that done.

Juli D. Quinteros de Hernandez
Dallas, TX

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How much you wanna bet that the Mormon Church would never let anyone else view their Church records for Baptisms, marriages or otherwise?

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

----- Original Message ----
From: Jose Carlos de Leon
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2008 1:40:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Vatican blocks Mormon access to records | A Soft Answer

With "tongue in cheek", maybe the Pope could retaliate by re-baptising the dead Mormons to Catholicism?

Jose Carlos de Leon

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Well I was really surprised, as most people here in Los Altos, when I first
found out that the Mormon Church was granted authorization to microfilm all
these records that we've been so gratefully using for our research.

When I first went to the Parrish in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco (one of the
oldest in the Los Altos region) they told me that one of the conditions for
the Mormons to microfilm their records was that they would give each church
a copy of every film that was created. According to the people here, this
never happened. Instead, they were told recently that they could purchase
each film for $3000 dollars. I'm not saying this is what actually happened
or that it didn't, just that this is what I was told in Jalos.

Rick

-----Mensaje original-----
De: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Alicia
Carrillo
Enviado el: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:04 PM
Para: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Vatican blocks Mormon access to records |
A Soft Answer

How much you wanna bet that the Mormon Church would never let anyone else
view their Church records for Baptisms, marriages or otherwise?

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

----- Original Message ----
From: Jose Carlos de Leon
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2008 1:40:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Vatican blocks Mormon access to records
| A Soft Answer

With "tongue in cheek", maybe the Pope could retaliate by re-baptising the
dead Mormons to Catholicism?

Jose Carlos de Leon

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I thought the same thing, I also thought they could provide there own resource sight from what I ungerstand , the vatican librarys have a wealth of knowledge That coud be a fantastic project.
mari

----- Original Message ----
From: Jose Carlos de Leon
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2008 2:40:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Vatican blocks Mormon access to records | A Soft Answer

With "tongue in cheek", maybe the Pope could retaliate by re-baptising the dead Mormons to Catholicism?

Jose Carlos de Leon

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Would we not still have access to the Civil Records ?

Pat
Tracy, Calif.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Alicia Carrillo

> How much you wanna bet that the Mormon Church would never let anyone else view
> their Church records for Baptisms, marriages or otherwise?
>
> Alicia,
> San Jose, Calif

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I think that, like in every company and organization, information is one of
the most, if not the most valuable asset that it has. If our Catholic
leaders think it's best to keep that information private, then they're in
their right to do so.

Now if this does happen, then the Catholic Church should also open their own
Libraries and Research Centers around the world to allow any person
interested in genealogy to begin or continue their research.

Just a thought...

Rick

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I have just joined nuestrosranchos, and I am sadden to hear about the church doing what they plan to do. They need to hear from how some of us feel, is there a way that we can cc them on our emails so that they can see that to some of us it is very important to find out where we came from and want to record our history. Take care, be safe, be blessed.

tiodann@msn.com> From: rickrod.com@gmail.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 13:33:28 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Vatican blocks Mormon access to records> > I think that, like in every company and organization, information is one of> the most, if not the most valuable asset that it has. If our Catholic> leaders think it's best to keep that information private, then they're in> their right to do so.> > Now if this does happen, then the Catholic Church should also open their own> Libraries and Research Centers around the world to allow any person> interested in genealogy to begin or continue their research.> > Just a thought...> > Rick> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Yes, we should be able to have access to civil records, if the governments allow it. I know that in some places in Canada some officials are reluctant to release those records due to the disclosure of race (Native American, etc.) of some of their ancestors.

Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Vatican blocks Mormon access to records| A Soft Answer

Would we not still have access to the Civil Records ?

Pat
Tracy, Calif.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Alicia Carrillo >

> How much you wanna bet that the Mormon Church would never let anyone else view
> their Church records for Baptisms, marriages or otherwise?
>
> Alicia,
> San Jose, Calif

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Right, their "Temple Submission Files" can only be seen by those logged in with their membership numbers in order to view the temple ordinance and dates., Non-members see the information the way we see it on the IGI index.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: Alicia Carrillo
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Vatican blocks Mormon access to records| A Soft Answer

How much you wanna bet that the Mormon Church would never let anyone else view their Church records for Baptisms, marriages or otherwise?

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

----- Original Message ----
From: Jose Carlos de Leon >
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2008 1:40:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The Vatican blocks Mormon access to records | A Soft Answer

With "tongue in cheek", maybe the Pope could retaliate by re-baptising the dead Mormons to Catholicism?

Jose Carlos de Leon

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Actually Alicia, back to your comment the church has microfilmed all baptisms, marriages and (well we dont really have death certificates in the church but anyway) we've microfilmed already on average 1830-1960 so you can easily view them. But usually non-mormons wont ordered them usually more mormons do b/c some original first mormon ancestors in the genealogy.
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Federal Latino Museum

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Just in case you hadn't seen this announcement:

Friday, 9 May 2008
President Bush signed legislation yesterday establishing a commission to study the feasibility of a National Museum of the American Latino.

A Question about LDS Database

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I have been searching for ancestors that were very certainly born before
1900 in Mexico. I have not been able to find a single one on either side of
my family. Is it because they were born in small towns and LDS has not

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Dear America:
Just because the online database doe not have your ancestors does not mean that the LDS does not have the records of your ancestors. Many, Many films are not in their database, but you can order the films and view them at your local family history center. Go to familysearch.org and click on the "Library" tab at the top of the website. Right underneath "Library", is "Family History Library Catalog". Click on this. Find the tabs down the right and click on "Place Search". On the next page put in the name of the town you are looking for, then Mexico in the box listed "Part of". When you find the town, click on the links to get a listing of all the films and years for that place. Instead of a Place Search, you can also do a Surname search to see if anyone has written a box about your surname. You might even do a keyword search. However, the LDS is working to put all their films online. Sometime in the future it may become a bit easier for us, but for now, I just order the films. Happy Hunting.

Maureen Bejar

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Hello,

I have been reading these posts for a few weeks now and I would like to add my 2 cents. Alot of people depend on the LDS records, however I can tell you from first hand experience they are frequently wrong or incomplete. Alot of the info depends on who inputs it and how complete the records are to begin with. If you are able, try to do the research yourself...Its very tough to get some information and can be pretty frustrating, but public records from courts, clerks, and such are your best bet. The census records are also iffy as to how accurate they are.

Cindy G

----- Original Message ----
From: America Calleros
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, May 8, 2008 1:54:29 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Question about LDS Database

I have been searching for ancestors that were very certainly born before
1900 in Mexico. I have not been able to find a single one on either side of
my family. Is it because they were born in small towns and LDS has not
gotten to them yet (which means my hopes of finding records from a distance
is killed because of recent events), or ???

--
America Calleros

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Hi Cindy et al!

You are right about some of the data in LDS....I have found errors that were made by me way back when the computers (89) were first starting. I accidentally put one of my ggrandmother as Fannie Lee and all her records now show that as her name.....I have tried to correct it to Frances Harrison and to no avail. Other errors they picked up from my family tree was the name of George Douglas, instead of Jorge Douglas.......thanks!

----- Original Message -----
From: "cindy gutierrez"
To:
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] A Question about LDS Database

> Hello,
>
> I have been reading these posts for a few weeks now and I would like to add my 2 cents. Alot of people depend on the LDS records, however I can tell you from first hand experience they are frequently wrong or incomplete. Alot of the info depends on who inputs it and how complete the records are to begin with. If you are able, try to do the research yourself...Its very tough to get some information and can be pretty frustrating, but public records from courts, clerks, and such are your best bet. The census records are also iffy as to how accurate they are.
>
> Cindy G

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Hi there everyone ,

I have to agree on the mistakes . I have been working with the Mormon folks here in Monterrey , Mexico for a few years now and one of the members ( the director of a stake ) asked me if I wanted to baptize my relatives ( the one's that passed away ) and even though I told him " absolutely not ! he went ahead and did it without my consent nor knowledge .

Now, here comes' the doozy , when I first came to Monterrey I just began jotting down whatever info I could find without sourcing it out and I made alot of mistakes and that's how he performed the baptisms with all my mistakes and I too tried to correct them but so far no luck .

Welester> Hi Cindy et al!> > You are right about some of the data in LDS....I have found errors that were made by me way back when the computers (89) were first starting. I accidentally put one of my ggrandmother as Fannie Lee and all her records now show that as her name.....I have tried to correct it to Frances Harrison and to no avail. Other errors they picked up from my family tree was the name of George Douglas, instead of Jorge Douglas.......thanks!> >
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Catholic Church Bans Filming of Records by LDS

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I just learned of this and think that all of us who deeply care about genealogical research need to make our protests heard to the Catholic Church and the genealogical community as this can result in grave consequences for the preservation of valuable genealogical records:

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That's insane!
From what I understand, the Catholic Church won't allow the LDS to continue filming Catholic records. But, what will happen with the thousands of fims from Catholic parishes that the Mormons already possess?

A long time ago, I was talking with a volunteer at a FHC in California, and a similar conversation came out. He told me that if they wanted, the Catholic church could order the Mormon church to return all the Catholic records that they have previously microfilmed at any time. According to this guy, even though the LDS used their own money to microfilm all this data, what's in it actually belongs to the catholic church, and they may request it back whenever they felt like it. I am praying that this is not the case.

:-(

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This is horrible! Many do not have the time or money to track down records
all over the world. Isn't there a petition or something we can do about
it? I wonder if the Vatican would agree to release records to a none
religious group for the sole purpose of genealogy?

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Steve G. Apodaca
wrote:

>
> That's insane!
>
>> From what I understand, the Catholic Church won't allow the LDS to
>> continue filming Catholic records. But, what will happen with the thousands
>> of fims from Catholic parishes that the Mormons already possess?
>>
>
> A long time ago, I was talking with a volunteer at a FHC in California, and
> a similar conversation came out. He told me that if they wanted, the
> Catholic church could order the Mormon church to return all the Catholic
> records that they have previously microfilmed at any time. According to this
> guy, even though the LDS used their own money to microfilm all this data,
> what's in it actually belongs to the catholic church, and they may request
> it back whenever they felt like it. I am praying that this is not the case.
>
> :-(
>

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Yes, it's a terrible thng what El Papa is doing. Down with him!
I had gotten some documents from the cathedral in town, I was even able to see and look for information myself! That was about 15 years ago. They no longer can give you a copy of the document, but they give you the information they find. How much longer this will be, who knows? I hope they don;t see fit to recall all the information that is already in the hands of LDS. Supposedly they do not keep all those old record book there anymore. I wish I had looked for more people then.

An interesting question is whether that will apply to the parishes in Mexico if an indiviual requests a document, as opposed to a group requesting. I was able to get a document recently without any problem. It just cost $20.00, but it was like gold to me.

I am also aware that some indigenous groups in some parts of the world are protesting and refusing to cooperate with agencies or groups such as National Geographic. They are refusing to give their DNA. One of the many reasons they listed was that somebody was making money thru them. I wonder who is behind all this?

It's a sad day for genealogists.

Juanita

America Calleros wrote:
This is horrible! Many do not have the time or money to track down records
all over the world. Isn't there a petition or something we can do about
it? I wonder if the Vatican would agree to release records to a none
religious group for the sole purpose of genealogy?

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Steve G. Apodaca
wrote:

>
> That's insane!
>
>> From what I understand, the Catholic Church won't allow the LDS to
>> continue filming Catholic records. But, what will happen with the thousands
>> of fims from Catholic parishes that the Mormons already possess?
>>
>
> A long time ago, I was talking with a volunteer at a FHC in California, and
> a similar conversation came out. He told me that if they wanted, the
> Catholic church could order the Mormon church to return all the Catholic
> records that they have previously microfilmed at any time. According to this
> guy, even though the LDS used their own money to microfilm all this data,
> what's in it actually belongs to the catholic church, and they may request
> it back whenever they felt like it. I am praying that this is not the case.
>
> :-(
>

Please Trim Your Messages - Por Favor Recorte Sus Mensajes

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(Espanol sigue abajo)

I know this is an often repeated announcement around here, but since we have so many new members and the activity on the list has heated up, I figured I should repeat it.

Please, please trim your messages. When you reply to a posting via email, if you have your email set to include the message to which you are replying as part of the message, delete all but that part of the message which is necessary to provide context. Often nothing is necessary other than an appropriate subject for the reply message. When replies get posted online, they get posted along with the messages to which they are responding, so there is no need to repeat text. Such repetition makes the message very, very illegible.

Nuestros Ranchos Introduction - Surnames: Ledesma, Najera (Najar), Mejia, Llanas

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Hello Nuestros Ranchos Members:

My name is Anna Marie Ledesma-Miklovic and I am long overdue in introducing
myself. I had joined about year ago with the intentions of spending more
time on my research but time flew by so quickly for me with having a few

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Yes, women of that time period were still giving birth at 47, some studies show that in certain parts of Mexico women were still giving birth well into their 50s.

> From: amiklova@san.rr.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:22:01 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nuestros Ranchos Introduction - Surnames: Ledesma, Najera (Najar), Mejia, Llanas
>
> Hello Nuestros Ranchos Members:
>
>
>
> My name is Anna Marie Ledesma-Miklovic and I am long overdue in introducing
> myself. I had joined about year ago with the intentions of spending more
> time on my research but time flew by so quickly for me with having a few
> losses in our family and the devastation of the San Diego's Witch Creek Fire
> last October in our neighborhood that I just didn't have the time to get
> into it then. I am now ready to continue my research again and although I am
> not new to genealogy research, this would be the first for me in doing
> research in Zacatecas, Mexico. My Grandfather's family is from Zacatecas
> City, Zacatecas. From the little research I have done so far, I believe my
> Ledesma line is from an area called El Sagrario or Santo Domingo in
> Zacatecas City. I found an LDS record - Batch No. C600785 from 1863 that has
> an Yrineo Ledesma-Rodarte that may be a connection to the family line. I
> will be going to the Family History Center next week to order the film.
>
>
>
> My grandfather, Luis Ledesma's parents were Yrineo Ledesma and Valentina
> Najera. In researching the Najera line, I keep coming across the surname
> "NAJAR" as I do not find that many "Najera" from El Sagrario/Santo Domingo,
> Zacatecas City. Does anyone know if these two surnames would be the same? I
> found an LDS record of a Valentina Neajar from El Sagrario (I believe the
> spelling of the surname is misspelled) and a Trenes Ledesma having a
> daughter named Adelaida Ledesma in 1886. (LDS Batch No. I025120). I will
> also be requesting the film on this at the Family History Center.
>
>
>
> Another finding that puzzles me is that Valentina Najera was born February
> 14, 1859 and Luis Ledesma was born in 1906. Valentina was 47 years old when
> she had Luis. Does anyone know if women during these times still gave birth
> at this age?
>
>
>
> Here are the family members I am researching on:
>
>
>
> 1 Yrineo Ledesma 1863 ..
>
> +Valentina Najera 1859 - 1944
>
> ........ 2 Jose Ledesma 1872 - Unknown
>
> ........ 2 Margarita Ledesma - Unknown
>
> ........ 2 Luis Ledesma 1906 - 1982 (Grandfather)
>
> ............ +Angelina Mejia 1912 - 2006 (Grandmother)
>
>
>
> I will also be researching my Grandmother's family line - Mejia-Llanas from
> San Miguelito, San Luis Potosi, San Luis Potosi, Mexico. What I found so far
> is as follows:
>
>
>
> LDS M601892 dates 1869-1885 ; source # 0709866
>
>
>
> Pedro Yanas (last name misspelled)
>
> Married Maria Trinidad Mares on June 8 1871, San Miguelito, San Luis
> Potosi, San Luis Potosi, Mexico
>
> (they would be my great-great grandparents)
>
>
>
> They had a daughter, Anselma Mejia (my great grandmother). Trinidad Mares
> died giving birth to Anselma and Trinidad's mother raised Anselma. Family
> does not know Trinidad's mother's name as she was known as "Abuelita".
>
>
>
>
>
> I have enjoyed reading each member's discoveries of their family line
> connections and sharing their knowledge of their genealogy research. I am
> looking forward in sharing my findings to this informative genealogy
> website. Thanks for allowing me to be a member.
>
>
>
> Anna Marie Ledesma-Miklovic from San Diego
>

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One of my direct ancestresses was Lorenza Najar, who had a relationship with Antonio Saldivar. This is in the very early 1700s in Zacatecas city. They had two sons--Josef and Pablo. I am a direct descendant of Josef's. Lorenza was from Nayarit. Research that I have done on her surname signifies that it is interchangeable with Najera but that the Najar is Moorish in origin.

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Does anyone out there know how/where I can obtain or have access to "Sagrada Mitra
de Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia - marriages xvii-xviii?

Thanks!
Juanita Delgado

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NE Mexico genealogy

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While this is not included in the Nuestros Ranchos research, I am wondering if anyone out there might know how/where I can contact ALMA ROSA LONGORIA GUZMAN CRUZ, who,
along with her siblings has done extensive genealogy on NE Mexico, more precisely Mier,

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Juanita,

I have the book and would be happy to do loookups, but I don't know if she has any more available. Last I heard it was out of print, but she had a few left (some years ago).

I haven't spoken to her either in quite a while, so I'm not sure how to get hold of her.

So sorry I couldn't help more.

Connie Dominguez

---- juanita delgado wrote:

=============
Does anyone out there know how/where I can obtain or have access to "Sagrada Mitra
de Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia - marriages xvii-xviii?

Thanks!
Juanita Delgado

---------------------------------
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Hola Connie ,how are you ? I too ordered Luz's book and they were out . I was wondering if you could see if a Vicente Hermosillo and (wife) Maria Inez de La Trinidad Martin de Padilla (also goes by)Martin del Campo Padilla Davila born may 05,1726 San Juan de los Lagos. Maria Inez de La Trinidad was daughter of Miguel Geronimo Martin del Campo and Josefa Padilla Davila . What I am trying to find out the ancestors of Vicente Hermosillo . I don't know when these guys got married but I 'm guessing around 1750. I don't know if they are even related.
Thank you for your time
Ronnie Reynoso
> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:03:47 -0500> From: cdominguez10@elp.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's book:> > Juanita,> > I have the book and would be happy to do loookups, but I don't know if she has any more available. Last I heard it was out of print, but she had a few left (some years ago). > > I haven't spoken to her either in quite a while, so I'm not sure how to get hold of her. > > So sorry I couldn't help more.> > Connie Dominguez> > ---- juanita delgado wrote: > > =============> Does anyone out there know how/where I can obtain or have access to "Sagrada Mitra> de Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia - marriages xvii-xviii?> > Thanks!> Juanita Delgado> > > ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> re
search(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

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Does anyone out there know how/where I can obtain or have access to
"Sagrada Mitra
de Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia - marriages xvii-xviii?
Thanks!
Juanita Delgado

Juanita,
Go to your nearest Public Library with the book information, author, etc.,
and request they attempt to find a copy of the book under the "Library
Loan" program. They should be able to locate a copy somewhere and make it
available to you. You should have a library card to check it
out........That's how I got use of a copy.

Ray Jauregui
Sammamish, WA

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Hi, Ray,
Thanks for the information on how to get access to the book!! I'll do that right away.

Juanita
"rayjaur@earthlink.net" wrote:
Does anyone out there know how/where I can obtain or have access to
"Sagrada Mitra
de Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia - marriages xvii-xviii?
Thanks!
Juanita Delgado

Juanita,
Go to your nearest Public Library with the book information, author, etc.,
and request they attempt to find a copy of the book under the "Library
Loan" program. They should be able to locate a copy somewhere and make it
available to you. You should have a library card to check it
out........That's how I got use of a copy.

Ray Jauregui
Sammamish, WA

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Connie.
Thank you, Connie, for your offer to help!!!!!!! I will write you in a couple of hours.

Juanita

Ronald Reynoso wrote:

Hola Connie ,how are you ? I too ordered Luz's book and they were out . I was wondering if you could see if a Vicente Hermosillo and (wife) Maria Inez de La Trinidad Martin de Padilla (also goes by)Martin del Campo Padilla Davila born may 05,1726 San Juan de los Lagos. Maria Inez de La Trinidad was daughter of Miguel Geronimo Martin del Campo and Josefa Padilla Davila . What I am trying to find out the ancestors of Vicente Hermosillo . I don't know when these guys got married but I 'm guessing around 1750. I don't know if they are even related.
Thank you for your time
Ronnie Reynoso
> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:03:47 -0500> From: cdominguez10@elp.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's book:> > Juanita,> > I have the book and would be happy to do loookups, but I don't know if she has any more available. Last I heard it was out of print, but she had a few left (some years ago). > > I haven't spoken to her either in quite a while, so I'm not sure how to get hold of her. > > So sorry I couldn't help more.> > Connie Dominguez> > ---- juanita delgado wrote: > > =============> Does anyone out there know how/where I can obtain or have access to "Sagrada Mitra> de Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia - marriages xvii-xviii?> > Thanks!> Juanita Delgado> > > ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> re
search(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

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Connie,
I'm waiting at my library to see if I can get the book on loan. If I don;t I'll send you some information you can look up for me. Thanks!!! Again for offering!
Juanita

juanita delgado wrote:
Connie.
Thank you, Connie, for your offer to help!!!!!!! I will write you in a couple of hours.

Juanita

Ronald Reynoso wrote:

Hola Connie ,how are you ? I too ordered Luz's book and they were out . I was wondering if you could see if a Vicente Hermosillo and (wife) Maria Inez de La Trinidad Martin de Padilla (also goes by)Martin del Campo Padilla Davila born may 05,1726 San Juan de los Lagos. Maria Inez de La Trinidad was daughter of Miguel Geronimo Martin del Campo and Josefa Padilla Davila . What I am trying to find out the ancestors of Vicente Hermosillo . I don't know when these guys got married but I 'm guessing around 1750. I don't know if they are even related.
Thank you for your time
Ronnie Reynoso
> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:03:47 -0500> From: cdominguez10@elp.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's book:> > Juanita,> > I have the book and would be happy to do loookups, but I don't know if she has any more available. Last I heard it was out of print, but she had a few left (some years ago). > > I haven't spoken to her either in quite a while, so I'm not sure how to get hold of her. > > So sorry I couldn't help more.> > Connie Dominguez> > ---- juanita delgado wrote: > > =============> Does anyone out there know how/where I can obtain or have access to "Sagrada Mitra> de Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia - marriages xvii-xviii?> > Thanks!> Juanita Delgado> > > ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> re
search(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

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HELLO CONNIE,
GOT THE BOOK FROM JUST DOWN THE HIGHWAY FROM ME. UT-EDINBURG-MY ALMA MATER. I WAS AWARE THEY HAD A LOT ON NE MEXICO AND TEXAS, BUT HAD NOT SEENTHAT ON THEIR LIBRARY.
WHAT A GREAT BOOK IT IS. FROM ONE SHORT PARAGRAPH YOU CAN GET SEVERAL GENERATIONS. I SAW A LOT OF MY PEOPLE THERE. UNFORTUNATELY, THE INFORMATION I AM SEEKING WAS NOT THERE AND IT GOES BACK A GOOD WAYS. ON THE INTRODUCTION IT STATES THAT IT IS ONLY A FRACTION OF ALL THE ROLLS THEY HAVE TO PUT OUT. WHAT A JOB WELL DONE!

I WAS ABLE TO VERIFY A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THE PEOPLE I HAVE, SO I SPENT MANY NIGHTS BROWSING THRU IT. I RETURNED IT TODAY. AM LOOKING FOR OTHER CHURCH DOCUMENTS THAT I MIGHT GET THRU THE LIBRARY LOAN SYSTEM.
I WILL NOT FORGET YOUR KIND OFFER!!!
JUANITA

juanita delgado wrote:
Connie,
I'm waiting at my library to see if I can get the book on loan. If I don;t I'll send you some information you can look up for me. Thanks!!! Again for offering!
Juanita

juanita delgado wrote:
Connie.
Thank you, Connie, for your offer to help!!!!!!! I will write you in a couple of hours.

Juanita

Ronald Reynoso wrote:

Hola Connie ,how are you ? I too ordered Luz's book and they were out . I was wondering if you could see if a Vicente Hermosillo and (wife) Maria Inez de La Trinidad Martin de Padilla (also goes by)Martin del Campo Padilla Davila born may 05,1726 San Juan de los Lagos. Maria Inez de La Trinidad was daughter of Miguel Geronimo Martin del Campo and Josefa Padilla Davila . What I am trying to find out the ancestors of Vicente Hermosillo . I don't know when these guys got married but I 'm guessing around 1750. I don't know if they are even related.
Thank you for your time
Ronnie Reynoso
> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:03:47 -0500> From: cdominguez10@elp.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's book:> > Juanita,> > I have the book and would be happy to do loookups, but I don't know if she has any more available. Last I heard it was out of print, but she had a few left (some years ago). > > I haven't spoken to her either in quite a while, so I'm not sure how to get hold of her. > > So sorry I couldn't help more.> > Connie Dominguez> > ---- juanita delgado wrote: > > =============> Does anyone out there know how/where I can obtain or have access to "Sagrada Mitra> de Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia - marriages xvii-xviii?> > Thanks!> Juanita Delgado> > > ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> re
search(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

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juanita delgado wrote: HELLO CONNIE,
GOT THE BOOK FROM JUST DOWN THE HIGHWAY FROM ME. UT-EDINBURG-MY ALMA MATER. I WAS AWARE THEY HAD A LOT ON NE MEXICO AND TEXAS, BUT HAD NOT SEENTHAT ON THEIR LIBRARY.
WHAT A GREAT BOOK IT IS. FROM ONE SHORT PARAGRAPH YOU CAN GET SEVERAL GENERATIONS. I SAW A LOT OF MY PEOPLE THERE. UNFORTUNATELY, THE INFORMATION I AM SEEKING WAS NOT THERE AND IT GOES BACK A GOOD WAYS. ON THE INTRODUCTION IT STATES THAT IT IS ONLY A FRACTION OF ALL THE ROLLS THEY HAVE TO PUT OUT. WHAT A JOB WELL DONE!

I WAS ABLE TO VERIFY A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THE PEOPLE I HAVE, SO I SPENT MANY NIGHTS BROWSING THRU IT. I RETURNED IT TODAY. AM LOOKING FOR OTHER CHURCH DOCUMENTS THAT I MIGHT GET THRU THE LIBRARY LOAN SYSTEM.
I WILL NOT FORGET YOUR KIND OFFER!!!
JUANITA

juanita delgado wrote:
Connie,
I'm waiting at my library to see if I can get the book on loan. If I don;t I'll send you some information you can look up for me. Thanks!!! Again for offering!
Juanita

juanita delgado wrote:
Connie.
Thank you, Connie, for your offer to help!!!!!!! I will write you in a couple of hours.

Juanita

Ronald Reynoso wrote:

Hola Connie ,how are you ? I too ordered Luz's book and they were out . I was wondering if you could see if a Vicente Hermosillo and (wife) Maria Inez de La Trinidad Martin de Padilla (also goes by)Martin del Campo Padilla Davila born may 05,1726 San Juan de los Lagos. Maria Inez de La Trinidad was daughter of Miguel Geronimo Martin del Campo and Josefa Padilla Davila . What I am trying to find out the ancestors of Vicente Hermosillo . I don't know when these guys got married but I 'm guessing around 1750. I don't know if they are even related.
Thank you for your time
Ronnie Reynoso
> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:03:47 -0500> From: cdominguez10@elp.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's book:> > Juanita,> > I have the book and would be happy to do loookups, but I don't know if she has any more available. Last I heard it was out of print, but she had a few left (some years ago). > > I haven't spoken to her either in quite a while, so I'm not sure how to get hold of her. > > So sorry I couldn't help more.> > Connie Dominguez> > ---- juanita delgado wrote: > > =============> Does anyone out there know how/where I can obtain or have access to "Sagrada Mitra> de Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia - marriages xvii-xviii?> > Thanks!> Juanita Delgado> > > ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> re
search(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

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Hi,
In layman's words, can you tell me the difference between between the Haplogroups A,B,C,D. (DNA)

Thanks!

Juanita

juanita delgado wrote:
Connie,
I'm waiting at my library to see if I can get the book on loan. If I don;t I'll send you some information you can look up for me. Thanks!!! Again for offering!
Juanita

juanita delgado wrote:
Connie.
Thank you, Connie, for your offer to help!!!!!!! I will write you in a couple of hours.

Juanita

Ronald Reynoso wrote:

Hola Connie ,how are you ? I too ordered Luz's book and they were out . I was wondering if you could see if a Vicente Hermosillo and (wife) Maria Inez de La Trinidad Martin de Padilla (also goes by)Martin del Campo Padilla Davila born may 05,1726 San Juan de los Lagos. Maria Inez de La Trinidad was daughter of Miguel Geronimo Martin del Campo and Josefa Padilla Davila . What I am trying to find out the ancestors of Vicente Hermosillo . I don't know when these guys got married but I 'm guessing around 1750. I don't know if they are even related.
Thank you for your time
Ronnie Reynoso
> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:03:47 -0500> From: cdominguez10@elp.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's book:> > Juanita,> > I have the book and would be happy to do loookups, but I don't know if she has any more available. Last I heard it was out of print, but she had a few left (some years ago). > > I haven't spoken to her either in quite a while, so I'm not sure how to get hold of her. > > So sorry I couldn't help more.> > Connie Dominguez> > ---- juanita delgado wrote: > > =============> Does anyone out there know how/where I can obtain or have access to "Sagrada Mitra> de Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia - marriages xvii-xviii?> > Thanks!> Juanita Delgado> > > ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> re
search(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

For Connie Dominguez

Published by josiett –
Foros
Genealogy Research

Connie.......please check to see if any LIENDO or DE LA ROSA are included in
this index......Thanks so much~!

Josie in San Antonio

Connie Dominguez wrote:

"Something to remember about the book: 1) most of these letters were written

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Connie,

According to what I know about Andres he was tried by the Inquisition in 1581. I have a copy of the document from the Inquisition records, but it's difficult to read since I don't read spanish very well.

Rose
Fresno, CA

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Sure! Let me know what you might need. I'm working on something for Ronald right now.

Talk to you later,
Connie

---- juanita delgado wrote:

=============
Connie,
I'm waiting at my library to see if I can get the book on loan. If I don;t I'll send you some information you can look up for me. Thanks!!! Again for offering!
Juanita

juanita delgado wrote:
Connie.
Thank you, Connie, for your offer to help!!!!!!! I will write you in a couple of hours.

Juanita

Ronald Reynoso wrote:

Hola Connie ,how are you ? I too ordered Luz's book and they were out . I was wondering if you could see if a Vicente Hermosillo and (wife) Maria Inez de La Trinidad Martin de Padilla (also goes by)Martin del Campo Padilla Davila born may 05,1726 San Juan de los Lagos. Maria Inez de La Trinidad was daughter of Miguel Geronimo Martin del Campo and Josefa Padilla Davila . What I am trying to find out the ancestors of Vicente Hermosillo . I don't know when these guys got married but I 'm guessing around 1750. I don't know if they are even related.
Thank you for your time
Ronnie Reynoso
> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:03:47 -0500> From: cdominguez10@elp.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's book:> > Juanita,> > I have the book and would be happy to do loookups, but I don't know if she has any more available. Last I heard it was out of print, but she had a few left (some years ago). > > I haven't spoken to her either in quite a while, so I'm not sure how to get hold of her. > > So sorry I couldn't help more.> > Connie Dominguez> > ---- juanita delgado wrote: > > =============> Does anyone out there know how/where I can obtain or have access to "Sagrada Mitra> de Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia - marriages xvii-xviii?> > Thanks!> Juanita Delgado> > > ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> re
search(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

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Juanita,
Thanks for your note. Yes, it is a great book. That was a tremendous amount of work and it was a job well done. I protect my signed copy well. :-)

I wish you luck on your search. I have so many films at the local FHC, but I've had such a hard time getting there. I look forward to going in the summer. They're only open 1 evening a week, and invariably I forget to head out there for some reason or other. I'm working on Aguascalientes in the 17th c. and don't have much on later generations except my direct lines.

During summer, I will have days to work on genealogy at the FHC. If you need anything from any of the films I've listed on Ranchos, please let me know. I'll look through them.

Best wishes,
Connie
---- juanita delgado wrote:

=============
HELLO CONNIE,
GOT THE BOOK FROM JUST DOWN THE HIGHWAY FROM ME. UT-EDINBURG-MY ALMA MATER. I WAS AWARE THEY HAD A LOT ON NE MEXICO AND TEXAS, BUT HAD NOT SEENTHAT ON THEIR LIBRARY.
WHAT A GREAT BOOK IT IS. FROM ONE SHORT PARAGRAPH YOU CAN GET SEVERAL GENERATIONS. I SAW A LOT OF MY PEOPLE THERE. UNFORTUNATELY, THE INFORMATION I AM SEEKING WAS NOT THERE AND IT GOES BACK A GOOD WAYS. ON THE INTRODUCTION IT STATES THAT IT IS ONLY A FRACTION OF ALL THE ROLLS THEY HAVE TO PUT OUT. WHAT A JOB WELL DONE!

I WAS ABLE TO VERIFY A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THE PEOPLE I HAVE, SO I SPENT MANY NIGHTS BROWSING THRU IT. I RETURNED IT TODAY. AM LOOKING FOR OTHER CHURCH DOCUMENTS THAT I MIGHT GET THRU THE LIBRARY LOAN SYSTEM.
I WILL NOT FORGET YOUR KIND OFFER!!!
JUANITA

juanita delgado wrote:
Connie,
I'm waiting at my library to see if I can get the book on loan. If I don;t I'll send you some information you can look up for me. Thanks!!! Again for offering!
Juanita

juanita delgado wrote:
Connie.
Thank you, Connie, for your offer to help!!!!!!! I will write you in a couple of hours.

Juanita

Ronald Reynoso wrote:

Hola Connie ,how are you ? I too ordered Luz's book and they were out . I was wondering if you could see if a Vicente Hermosillo and (wife) Maria Inez de La Trinidad Martin de Padilla (also goes by)Martin del Campo Padilla Davila born may 05,1726 San Juan de los Lagos. Maria Inez de La Trinidad was daughter of Miguel Geronimo Martin del Campo and Josefa Padilla Davila . What I am trying to find out the ancestors of Vicente Hermosillo . I don't know when these guys got married but I 'm guessing around 1750. I don't know if they are even related.
Thank you for your time
Ronnie Reynoso
> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:03:47 -0500> From: cdominguez10@elp.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's book:> > Juanita,> > I have the book and would be happy to do loookups, but I don't know if she has any more available. Last I heard it was out of print, but she had a few left (some years ago). > > I haven't spoken to her either in quite a while, so I'm not sure how to get hold of her. > > So sorry I couldn't help more.> > Connie Dominguez> > ---- juanita delgado wrote: > > =============> Does anyone out there know how/where I can obtain or have access to "Sagrada Mitra> de Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia - marriages xvii-xviii?> > Thanks!> Juanita Delgado> > > ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> re
search(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

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Connie, I was reading your email and was excited to see someone who is
researching Aguascalientes. I'm also working on that area and am having
trouble. I also have read the emails about a book by Luz Montejano. I'm
wondering if the title is Hermosillo, or is there another title. I tried to
research some of the names used in the emails, but haven't found the actual
title or book. I'm wondering if you would be so kind as to give me some idea
as to where and what I can use to find information for Augas, and the title of
the book. I've used Ancestry, LDS etc. I've tried Nuestros but am so new to
this site that I'm not finding much and get discouraged. Thank you for your
time. Lupe

Quoting cdominguez10@elp.rr.com:

> Juanita,
> Thanks for your note. Yes, it is a great book. That was a tremendous
> amount of work and it was a job well done. I protect my signed copy
> well. :-)
>
> I wish you luck on your search. I have so many films at the local
> FHC, but I've had such a hard time getting there. I look forward to
> going in the summer. They're only open 1 evening a week, and
> invariably I forget to head out there for some reason or other. I'm
> working on Aguascalientes in the 17th c. and don't have much on later
> generations except my direct lines.
>
> During summer, I will have days to work on genealogy at the FHC. If
> you need anything from any of the films I've listed on Ranchos,
> please let me know. I'll look through them.
>
> Best wishes,
> Connie
> ---- juanita delgado wrote:
>
> =============
> HELLO CONNIE,
> GOT THE BOOK FROM JUST DOWN THE HIGHWAY FROM ME. UT-EDINBURG-MY
> ALMA MATER. I WAS AWARE THEY HAD A LOT ON NE MEXICO AND TEXAS, BUT
> HAD NOT SEENTHAT ON THEIR LIBRARY.
> WHAT A GREAT BOOK IT IS. FROM ONE SHORT PARAGRAPH YOU CAN GET
> SEVERAL GENERATIONS. I SAW A LOT OF MY PEOPLE THERE. UNFORTUNATELY,
> THE INFORMATION I AM SEEKING WAS NOT THERE AND IT GOES BACK A GOOD
> WAYS. ON THE INTRODUCTION IT STATES THAT IT IS ONLY A FRACTION OF
> ALL THE ROLLS THEY HAVE TO PUT OUT. WHAT A JOB WELL DONE!
>
> I WAS ABLE TO VERIFY A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THE PEOPLE I HAVE, SO
> I SPENT MANY NIGHTS BROWSING THRU IT. I RETURNED IT TODAY. AM LOOKING
> FOR OTHER CHURCH DOCUMENTS THAT I MIGHT GET THRU THE LIBRARY LOAN
> SYSTEM.
> I WILL NOT FORGET YOUR KIND OFFER!!!
> JUANITA
>
> juanita delgado wrote:
> Connie,
> I'm waiting at my library to see if I can get the book on loan. If I
> don;t I'll send you some information you can look up for me.
> Thanks!!! Again for offering!
> Juanita
>
> juanita delgado wrote:
> Connie.
> Thank you, Connie, for your offer to help!!!!!!! I will write you in
> a couple of hours.
>
> Juanita
>
> Ronald Reynoso wrote:
>
> Hola Connie ,how are you ? I too ordered Luz's book and they were out
> . I was wondering if you could see if a Vicente Hermosillo and (wife)
> Maria Inez de La Trinidad Martin de Padilla (also goes by)Martin del
> Campo Padilla Davila born may 05,1726 San Juan de los Lagos. Maria
> Inez de La Trinidad was daughter of Miguel Geronimo Martin del Campo
> and Josefa Padilla Davila . What I am trying to find out the
> ancestors of Vicente Hermosillo . I don't know when these guys got
> married but I 'm guessing around 1750. I don't know if they are even
> related.
> Thank you for your time
> Ronnie Reynoso
>> Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:03:47 -0500> From:
>> cdominguez10@elp.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject:
>> Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's book:> > Juanita,> > I have
>> the book and would be happy to do loookups, but I don't know if she
>> has any more available. Last I heard it was out of print, but she
>> had a few left (some years ago). > > I haven't spoken to her either
>> in quite a while, so I'm not sure how to get hold of her. > > So
>> sorry I couldn't help more.> > Connie Dominguez> > ---- juanita
>> delgado wrote: > > =============> Does anyone out there know
>> how/where I can obtain or have access to "Sagrada Mitra> de
>> Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia - marriages
>> xvii-xviii?> > Thanks!> Juanita Delgado> > >
>> ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound,
>> and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.> -- -- -- -- -- --

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Connie, my name is Daniel A. Esparza, I have just joined Nuestros Ranchos and I am trying to find information on my Grandfather Crispin Esparza. I have heard stories that he was possibly born in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. His birth date is: 16 April 1887, he died on 22 March 1956 in Gilroy, CA. I retrevied this information from death certificate.
I read your email to Juanita and noted that you talk about a "Book". Can you please share any light on what the books is all about and how I might be able to get one to do more research on Aguascalientes. Many thanks.

tiodann@msn.com
> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 21:29:53 -0500> From: cdominguez10@elp.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's book: Hermosillo--Att:Connie Dominguez> > Juanita,> Thanks for your note. Yes, it is a great book. That was a tremendous amount of work and it was a job well done. I protect my signed copy well. :-)> > I wish you luck on your search. I have so many films at the local FHC, but I've had such a hard time getting there. I look forward to going in the summer. They're only open 1 evening a week, and invariably I forget to head out there for some reason or other. I'm working on Aguascalientes in the 17th c. and don't have much on later generations except my direct lines.> > During summer, I will have days to work on genealogy at the FHC. If you need anything from any of the films I've listed on Ranchos, please let me know. I'll look through them. > > Best wishes,> Connie> ---- juanita delgado wrote: > > =============> HELLO CONNIE,> GOT THE BOOK FROM JUST DOWN THE HIGHWAY FROM ME. UT-EDINBURG-MY ALMA MATER. I WAS AWARE THEY HAD A LOT ON NE MEXICO AND TEXAS, BUT HAD NOT SEENTHAT ON THEIR LIBRARY.> WHAT A GREAT BOOK IT IS. FROM ONE SHORT PARAGRAPH YOU CAN GET SEVERAL GENERATIONS. I SAW A LOT OF MY PEOPLE THERE. UNFORTUNATELY, THE INFORMATION I AM SEEKING WAS NOT THERE AND IT GOES BACK A GOOD WAYS. ON THE INTRODUCTION IT STATES THAT IT IS ONLY A FRACTION OF ALL THE ROLLS THEY HAVE TO PUT OUT. WHAT A JOB WELL DONE!> > I WAS ABLE TO VERIFY A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THE PEOPLE I HAVE, SO I SPENT MANY NIGHTS BROWSING THRU IT. I RETURNED IT TODAY. AM LOOKING FOR OTHER CHURCH DOCUMENTS THAT I MIGHT GET THRU THE LIBRARY LOAN SYSTEM.> I WILL NOT FORGET YOUR KIND OFFER!!!> JUANITA> > juanita delgado wrote:> Connie,> I'm waiting at my library to see if I can get the book on loan. If I don;t I'll send you some information you can look up for me. Thanks!!! Again for offering!> Juanita> > juanita delgado wrote:> Connie.> Thank you, Connie, for your offer to help!!!!!!! I will write you in a couple of hours.> > Juanita> > Ronald Reynoso wrote:> > Hola Connie ,how are you ? I too ordered Luz's book and they were out . I was wondering if you could see if a Vicente Hermosillo and (wife) Maria Inez de La Trinidad Martin de Padilla (also goes by)Martin del Campo Padilla Davila born may 05,1726 San Juan de los Lagos. Maria Inez de La Trinidad was daughter of Miguel Geronimo Martin del Campo and Josefa Padilla Davila . What I am trying to find out the ancestors of Vicente Hermosillo . I don't know when these guys got married but I 'm guessing around 1750. I don't know if they are even related.> Thank you for your time > Ronnie Reynoso> > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:03:47 -0500> From: cdominguez10@elp.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's book:> > Juanita,> > I have the book and would be happy to do loookups, but I don't know if she has any more available. Last I heard it was out of print, but she had a few left (some years ago). > > I haven't spoken to her either in quite a while, so I'm not sure how to get hold of her. > > So sorry I couldn't help more.> > Connie Dominguez> > ---- juanita delgado wrote: > > =============> Does anyone out there know how/where I can obtain or have access to "Sagrada Mitra> de Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia - marriages xvii-xviii?> > Thanks!> Juanita Delgado> > > ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> re> search(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > > > ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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Connie, my name is Daniel A. Esparza, I have just joined Nuestros Ranchos and I am trying to find information on my Grandfather Crispin Esparza. I have heard stories that he was possibly born in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. His birth date is: 16 April 1887, he died on 22 March 1956 in Gilroy, CA. I retrevied this information from death certificate.
I read your email to Juanita and noted that you talk about a "Book". Can you please share any light on what the books is all about and how I might be able to get one to do more research on Aguascalientes. Many thanks.

tiodann@msn.com
> Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 21:29:53 -0500> From: cdominguez10@elp.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's book: Hermosillo--Att:Connie Dominguez> > Juanita,> Thanks for your note. Yes, it is a great book. That was a tremendous amount of work and it was a job well done. I protect my signed copy well. :-)> > I wish you luck on your search. I have so many films at the local FHC, but I've had such a hard time getting there. I look forward to going in the summer. They're only open 1 evening a week, and invariably I forget to head out there for some reason or other. I'm working on Aguascalientes in the 17th c. and don't have much on later generations except my direct lines.> > During summer, I will have days to work on genealogy at the FHC. If you need anything from any of the films I've listed on Ranchos, please let me know. I'll look through them. > > Best wishes,> Connie> ---- juanita delgado wrote: > > ====
=========> HELLO CONNIE,> GOT THE BOOK FROM JUST DOWN THE HIGHWAY FROM ME. UT-EDINBURG-MY ALMA MATER. I WAS AWARE THEY HAD A LOT ON NE MEXICO AND TEXAS, BUT HAD NOT SEENTHAT ON THEIR LIBRARY.> WHAT A GREAT BOOK IT IS. FROM ONE SHORT PARAGRAPH YOU CAN GET SEVERAL GENERATIONS. I SAW A LOT OF MY PEOPLE THERE. UNFORTUNATELY, THE INFORMATION I AM SEEKING WAS NOT THERE AND IT GOES BACK A GOOD WAYS. ON THE INTRODUCTION IT STATES THAT IT IS ONLY A FRACTION OF ALL THE ROLLS THEY HAVE TO PUT OUT. WHAT A JOB WELL DONE!> > I WAS ABLE TO VERIFY A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THE PEOPLE I HAVE, SO I SPENT MANY NIGHTS BROWSING THRU IT. I RETURNED IT TODAY. AM LOOKING FOR OTHER CHURCH DOCUMENTS THAT I MIGHT GET THRU THE LIBRARY LOAN SYSTEM.> I WILL NOT FORGET YOUR KIND OFFER!!!> JUANITA> > juanita delgado wrote:> Connie,> I'm waiting at my library to see if I can get the book on loan. If I don;t I'll send you some information you can look up for me. Thanks!!! Again for off
ering!> Juanita> > juanita delgado wrote:> Connie.> Thank you, Connie, for your offer to help!!!!!!! I will write you in a couple of hours.> > Juanita> > Ronald Reynoso wrote:> > Hola Connie ,how are you ? I too ordered Luz's book and they were out . I was wondering if you could see if a Vicente Hermosillo and (wife) Maria Inez de La Trinidad Martin de Padilla (also goes by)Martin del Campo Padilla Davila born may 05,1726 San Juan de los Lagos. Maria Inez de La Trinidad was daughter of Miguel Geronimo Martin del Campo and Josefa Padilla Davila . What I am trying to find out the ancestors of Vicente Hermosillo . I don't know when these guys got married but I 'm guessing around 1750. I don't know if they are even related.> Thank you for your time > Ronnie Reynoso> > Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:03:47 -0500> From: cdominguez10@elp.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luz Montejano's book:> > Juanita,> > I have the book and would be happy to do
loookups, but I don't know if she has any more available. Last I heard it was out of print, but she had a few left (some years ago). > > I haven't spoken to her either in quite a while, so I'm not sure how to get hold of her. > > So sorry I couldn't help more.> > Connie Dominguez> > ---- juanita delgado wrote: > > =============> Does anyone out there know how/where I can obtain or have access to "Sagrada Mitra> de Guadalajara Antiguo Obispado de la Nueva Galicia - marriages xvii-xviii?> > Thanks!> Juanita Delgado> > > ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> re> search(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)NuestrosRanc
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Taking Site Offline for Upgrading

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Joseph and I have been talking about upgrading the site. The site was built two years ago and since then, there have been many improvements to the underlying "content managament system" that serves as the core for the site.

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Yes, I am interested in how the site works. I have a unix and oracle background.
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>
> Joseph and I have been talking about upgrading the site. The site was built two
> years ago and since then, there have been many improvements to the underlying
> "content managament system" that serves as the core for the site.
>
> This is going to be no easy process as there have been many custom additions we
> have made to that software. We were thinking of taking the site down sometime
> this summer. It may be up to a week before we can have it back up. In the
> meantime, members will be able to continue discussions via the email lists.
>
> Please let us know your thoughts on this. Once we have a firm date, we will
> notify members so that if a member has turned off one or more of their email
> lists, they can turn them back on before the site goes down if they would like
> to continue participating in the discussions.
>
> I will also use this opportunity to ask if there is any member out there who is
> tech saavy and would like to learn how the site functions so that they can help
> with the maintenance (and perhaps upgrading) of the site. The site basically
> runs on PHP and MySQL on a Unix server.

Introduction to NR_2nd Attempt

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I was born in Aguascalientes, Ags. but live in Texas,  and from my mother [Eva de Loera] have been able to determine that my maternal grandmother [Maria del Socorro Loera] was born in El Terrero de la Labor c1930 and died 1977 in Ags., and that her mother [Petra Lara Loera] was born c1903 and died 1994 within the same geographical area.  My maternal grandfather [Cesareo de Loera] was also born in El Terrero de la Labor c1925 but i do not know his d.o.b. yet but he died @ 2 years ago.

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I believe I can call my myself a specialist researcher in the Calvillo Area! Al most 40% research for me is there. I am pretty somewhat informed about de Loeras, we re related to them distantly. The families of Calvillo, Aguas, Huanusco, Jalpa and Tabasco intermarried a lot! I dont think as much as Los Altos but we were crazier i believe we have cases half siblings marrying, uncles and neices and nephews and aunts. Kind of akward. I bet somewhere really close were related about 3rd or 4th cousin. What I remember they had close ties to los Durán and Rodríguez families. Do you guys consider yourself mexicans? Theres a lot of families down there that dont consider themselves; like my bisabuela. Just curious.
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new file posted

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I just posted an updated file of my records on Rootsweb.com. If you enter my uncle " Rito Castanon 1919" it will pull up my personal family tree then you can go to index and search for whatever surname you are researching. The records cover mostly District of Jerez Zacatecas and related areas, Zapotlan El Grande/Ciudad Gusman, Tamazula de Gordiano and other related cities in Jalisco and Chilchota and related cities in Michoacan.

Introduction to NR: Quintero Del Rio

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Hello, My name is America Quintero and I am looking into my fathers family
history. My father says my grandfather was born in Tuxpan Jalisco, he moved
to Monterrey, had a family there and then passed away. His name was

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America:

Welcome to the group. I hope the people in the group can help guide your search for information on your father.

These tips are for all other newcomers who are just starting their research:

First of all there is almost NOTHING any of us can do without dates (even if they are approximate) and place names. You have given us a place name, but without knowing your father's approximate dates of birth, marriage, etc. we cannot tell you what sources would be appropriate, etc.

Also, you mention your grandmother but don't provide a name nor any dates. Please be more precise about the information that you DO have so that we can help you go from there. It would be helpful if you could post your known genealogy in a standard format in your file folder.

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Thank you for the advice. I was told that my grandfather (Salvador Quintero
Del Rio) was born in the year 1900 in Tuxpan Jalisco. I am still trying to
find out the exact date of his birth and the names of his parents. I know
that at some point he married my grandmother in Monterrey, Nuevo Leon and
stayed there for the rest of his life. I am not sure if I believe he was
born in Mexico at all to be honest, mostly because of the tattoos he and his
mother carried on their arms. They never spoke of them and hid them, so my
father does not even know what the numbers are, or how many there were.
>From what I understand it was some sort of branding and I don't know much of
anything yet but that to me seemed as if they were in some sort of camp, I
don't think that camps like that existed in Mexico but I could be wrong.
His and her features were very European, according to my mother. I read
some where that there are many Jews in Mexico, especially in Nuevo Leon and
Jalisco, that I did not know and makes wonder if they may have been
imigrants? I don't know if that kind of record would exist or where to even
look for such a thing. I will post more information when I find it. Any
guidance on where to look/search is greatly appreciated. I am planning a
visit to a Latter Day Saints Family Center, even though nothing came up in
their online search.

On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 4:35 PM, arturoramos
wrote:

>
> America:
>
> Welcome to the group. I hope the people in the group can help guide your
> search for information on your father.
>
> These tips are for all other newcomers who are just starting their
> research:
>
> First of all there is almost NOTHING any of us can do without dates (even
> if they are approximate) and place names. You have given us a place name,
> but without knowing your father's approximate dates of birth, marriage, etc.
> we cannot tell you what sources would be appropriate, etc.
>
> Also, you mention your grandmother but don't provide a name nor any dates.
> Please be more precise about the information that you DO have so that we
> can help you go from there. It would be helpful if you could post your
> known genealogy in a standard format in your file folder.

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America:

Again, it would be very helpful if you could provide your grandmother's name as spouses names are important in identifying the correct person.

Now with an approximate birth date of 1900, I can tell you that your grandfather would not be listed in the LDS databases as they do not extract information from records past 1900 for privacy reasons... that is one of the reasons why dates, even if approximate are so important.

Give us some of his other life events... did your grandfather immigrate to the United States? If so, there will be a border crossing record for him.

If you have the approximate date of his marriage, you might be able to track down his marriage record (in civil or church records) which should give his parents' names.

The Jews in Monterrey are mostly old Sephardim Jewish converso families that immigrated there in the 1500s to escape the Inquisition in Spain. There is however, a decently sized Ashkenazi Jewish population in Mexico from around the time of World War II.

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So far this is what I have got. (It would be nice to have a timeline app to document this sort of stuff)

1900 Salvador Quintero Del Rio was born in Tuxpan, Jalisco.
~1929 Salvador Married Paula Gamez Rodriguez in Monterrey, NL
1933 Salvador's first born, Salvador Jr., was born
1934 my Father was born in Monterrey, NL

Salvador's mother (Carlota Del Rio) was born in Jalisco and I'm guessing some where between 1870-1880. I am also guessing that she married her husband Mr. Quintero (first name unknown) around 1898-1899. We don't know if Salvador was an only child and we don't know what happened to his father. According to my father Salvador was very skilled in chemistry, metals and electrical systems of the time. The family also had a sugar processing mill in Jalisco that might have been called "Quintero Del Rio", before they moved to Monterrey. Salvador contributed much of his skill to the Fundidora in Monterrey, NL. I checked the LDS for marriages and births of Carlota Del Rio, and of most Quintero's and disappointingly nothing really came up. I did find a Salvador Del Rio that crossed the US border, it had a picture of a young man that I was able to clear up. I'll be showing it to my father. I don't think it was him but there was something about his ears that caught my attention.

I'm guessing at the dates considering that during that time people were probably married young (mid to late teens) and usually had children shortly afterwards.

America Calleros
Researching (Quintero Del Rio)

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America:

You wrote:

"(It would be nice to have a timeline app to document this sort of stuff)"

You can download PAF software for free from the familysearch.org site and it will allow you to keep your genealogy information in a database that can produce many different types of standard genealogical reports. Such software is a must for anyone seriously conducting genealogy research.

It makes it possible to enter notes, sources, etc. for each person and event which are musts if you want to have reliable documentation of your research.

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp?Page=home/welcome/simplePAF…

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Most of the descendants of these old converso families in Monterrey and Nuevo Leon do not know of their heritage. Their heritage has only in recent years come to light with genealogy and dna research.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from arturoramos : --------------

>
> America:
>
> Again, it would be very helpful if you could provide your grandmother's name as
> spouses names are important in identifying the correct person.
>
> Now with an approximate birth date of 1900, I can tell you that your grandfather
> would not be listed in the LDS databases as they do not extract information from
> records past 1900 for privacy reasons... that is one of the reasons why dates,
> even if approximate are so important.
>
> Give us some of his other life events... did your grandfather immigrate to the
> United States? If so, there will be a border crossing record for him.
>
> If you have the approximate date of his marriage, you might be able to track
> down his marriage record (in civil or church records) which should give his
> parents' names.
>
> The Jews in Monterrey are mostly old Sephardim Jewish converso families that
> immigrated there in the 1500s to escape the Inquisition in Spain. There is
> however, a decently sized Ashkenazi Jewish population in Mexico from around the
> time of World War II.

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Esther,

Monterrey is a city in the state of Nuveo Leon!!

Jaime

-----Original Message-----
From: eaherold@att.net
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:24 pm
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Salvador Quintero del Rio

Most of the descendants of these old converso families in Monterrey and Nuevo
Leon do not know of their heritage. Their heritage has only in recent years
come to light with genealogy and dna research.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from arturoramos :
--------------

>
> America:
>
> Again, it would be very helpful if you could provide your grandmother's name
as
> spouses names are important in identifying the correct person.
>
> Now with an approximate birth date of 1900, I can tell you that your
grandfather
> would not be listed in the LDS databases as they do not extract information
from
> records past 1900 for privacy reasons... that is one of the reasons why dates,

> even if approximate are so important.
>
> Give us some of his other life events... did your grandfather immigrate to the

> United States? If so, there will be a border crossing record for him.
>
> If you have the approximate date of his marriage, you might be able to track
> down his marriage record (in civil or church records) which should give his
> parents' names.
>
> The Jews in Monterrey are mostly old Sephardim Jewish converso families that
> immigrated there in the 1500s to escape the Inquisition in Spain. There is
> however, a decently sized Ashkenazi Jewish population in Mexico from around
the
> time of World War II.

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Yes, I know!!
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from sangerjaime@aim.com: --------------

> Esther,
>
> Monterrey is a city in the state of Nuveo Leon!!
>
> Jaime
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: eaherold@att.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:24 pm
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Salvador Quintero del Rio
>
>
>
> Most of the descendants of these old converso families in Monterrey and Nuevo
> Leon do not know of their heritage. Their heritage has only in recent years
> come to light with genealogy and dna research.
> --
> Esther A. Herold
>
> -------------- Original message from arturoramos :
> --------------
>
>
> >
> > America:
> >
> > Again, it would be very helpful if you could provide your grandmother's name
> as
> > spouses names are important in identifying the correct person.
> >
> > Now with an approximate birth date of 1900, I can tell you that your
> grandfather
> > would not be listed in the LDS databases as they do not extract information
> from
> > records past 1900 for privacy reasons... that is one of the reasons why dates,
>
> > even if approximate are so important.
> >
> > Give us some of his other life events... did your grandfather immigrate to the
>
> > United States? If so, there will be a border crossing record for him.
> >
> > If you have the approximate date of his marriage, you might be able to track
> > down his marriage record (in civil or church records) which should give his
> > parents' names.
> >
> > The Jews in Monterrey are mostly old Sephardim Jewish converso families that
> > immigrated there in the 1500s to escape the Inquisition in Spain. There is
> > however, a decently sized Ashkenazi Jewish population in Mexico from around
> the
> > time of World War II.
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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Microfilm Baptisimal Records

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I am ordering up microfilm for baptism records for both Huejucar and Cololan for the mid-1880s.

Some of the dates are overlapped by baptisms "naturales". I am not exactly sure what that means.

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Joseph,
Bautismos "naturales" means that the parents were not married. I would check both sets of records, several times I have found one or two children in a family in the "naturales" records even though the parents were married and other children were in other records. It usually happens around the time a new priest took over.

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> From: dreamwalker1944@sbcglobal.net
> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:20:34 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Microfilm Baptisimal Records
>
>
> I am ordering up microfilm for baptism records for both Huejucar and Cololan for the mid-1880s.
>
> Some of the dates are overlapped by baptisms "naturales". I am not exactly sure what that means.
>
> Which one is best to order to find all the necessary data: the baptisms, the baptisms "naturales", or should I order BOTH sets to be sure to find the necessary data?

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I have copies of Mexican birth records where some children were born before the parents were married and therefore listed as hijos naturales and sometimes written as illegitimos.  Then there are birth records of children form the same parents shown as legitimos, presumably born after they were married!!  Another thing the local priests do is change the surname spelling.  I have seen Bareda v Barrera in the same family due to a priestly misspelling which becomes recorded for history, thus effectively changing the surname. Many Spanish last names have these changes.  Phonic error is responsible. 

Jaime

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From: Lona Rivera
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 3:23 pm
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Microfilm Baptisimal Records

oseph,
autismos "naturales" means that the parents were not married. I would check
oth sets of records, several times I have found one or two children in a family
n the "naturales" records even though the parents were married and other
hildren were in other records. It usually happens around the time a new priest
ook over.
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
From: dreamwalker1944@sbcglobal.net
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:20:34 -0700
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Microfilm Baptisimal Records

I am ordering up microfilm for baptism records for both Huejucar and Cololan
or the mid-1880s.

Some of the dates are overlapped by baptisms "naturales". I am not exactly
ure what that means.

Which one is best to order to find all the necessary data: the baptisms, the
aptisms "naturales", or should I order BOTH sets to be sure to find the
ecessary data?

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Jaime,

I have a Lopez Gonzales and Lopez Cerbantes (mom is Felipa/Maria Felipa) in my 8th generation; everything else connects well. Is this the same mom with Cerbantes/Gonzales? How do I choose father's surname? Do I need to go further back to find out?

I guess I need reassurance that I'm in the right track? Thank you.

-Esther Jordan (Lopez)

I have copies of Mexican birth records where some children were born before the
parents were married and therefore listed as hijos naturales and sometimes
written as illegitimos. Then there are birth records of children form the same
parents shown as legitimos, presumably born after they were married!! Another
thing the local priests do is change the surname spelling. I have seen
Bareda v Barrera in the same family due to a priestly misspelling which becomes
recorded for history, thus effectively changing the surname. Many Spanish last
names have these changes. Phonic error is responsible.

Jaime

sage-----
From: Lona Rivera
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 3:23 pm
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Microfilm Baptisimal Records

oseph,
autismos "naturales" means that the parents were not married. I would check
oth sets of records, several times I have found one or two children in a family

n the "naturales" records even though the parents were married and other
hildren were in other records. It usually happens around the time a new priest

ook over.
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
From: dreamwalker1944@sbcglobal.net
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:20:34 -0700
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Microfilm Baptisimal Records

I am ordering up microfilm for baptism records for both Huejucar and Cololan
or the mid-1880s.

Some of the dates are overlapped by baptisms "naturales". I am not exactly
ure what that means.

Which one is best to order to find all the necessary data: the baptisms, the

aptisms "naturales", or should I order BOTH sets to be sure to find the
ecessary data?

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I would definatly look for both first off with Legítimos then Naturales because we never know if our ancestors had children before they married. ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE IN GENEALOGY!
-Daniel Méndez del Camino
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Meeting is SoCal.

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Invitation:

You are cordially invited to attend the SoCal meeting. At the present time about 12 members in the Southern California area have expressed their desire to attend.

The month of June is not the ideal time to hold the meeting because members have vacations and graduations that take preference over this meeting.

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