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Advice on how to continue when you're stuck

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Hello all, I would like to know if anyone has any tips about how to continue
when you're stuck. My specific situation is that I was able to find records
back to 1856 for one of my family lines, others lines have ended sooner. On

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Ancestry.com has an extensive list of immigration records from the late 1800's and the early 1900's. I found my grandparents in these records from 1912. It's not free; you have to buy a subscription but to a genealogist, it's worth it.

America Calleros wrote: Hello all, I would like to know if anyone has any tips about how to continue
when you're stuck. My specific situation is that I was able to find records
back to 1856 for one of my family lines, others lines have ended sooner. On
my fathers side I'm going to have to actually go to Jalisco and see if I can
find some records. The names I'm looking for there are for a Jose Quintero
and Carlota Del Rio parents of Salvador and Juan Quintero. I guess my real
question is how can you trace a family member that may have immigrated to
Mexico? I'm starting to wonder if I should stop looking at marriage,
baptismal and birth records and start looking at immigration records. And
does anyone know where I can go for Mexican immigration records?

Thanks!
--
America Calleros

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Hi, one step is search in "informacion matrimonial" films also, it may contain useful info.
 
Leticia Leon Morales

--- El jue 3-jul-08, luis cano escribió:

America Calleros wrote: Hello all, I would like
to know if anyone has any tips about how to continue
when you're stuck.

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Hola America, Archivos Espanoles en Red can help you if your ancestor emmigrated to Mexico between 1519-ca. 1821. So a good chunck of time. Are you related to the famous MArtinez del Rio familiy? Some their house members are in Jalisco? According to my grandfather our families never got along. It's funny in my opinion. What great lengths people will go for a acre of land. Well I do have some advice. Just keep gooing on to other lines. Hopefully their in Jalisco at least all it will be easier in my opinion. The Spanish families are so well documented until about 1730. Post 1730 is when you must order microfilm in order to connect to the pre 1730 genealogy.
Where exactlyis your family from in Jalisco? If its los altos, remember to check more than one place. Pick Wisely, it can cost a bit. Remember our ancestors moved to place to place. -Daniel
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Daniel, thanks for the advice. The Quintero and Del Rio families were from
Tuxpan, Jalisco. I only know vague stories about the families, they had a
mill their but I'm not sure if it was a sugar mill or what kind :S

I know Juan Quintero was in the Mexican Navy. The ship was sunk off the
coast of Mexico by the Germans (I think) and he never came back. We know
there were survivors but I don't know if those kinds of records are also
available some where.

Thanks again!

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Daniel Mendez
wrote:

>
> Hola America, Archivos Espanoles en Red can help you if your ancestor
> emmigrated to Mexico between 1519-ca. 1821. So a good chunck of time. Are
> you related to the famous MArtinez del Rio familiy? Some their house members
> are in Jalisco? According to my grandfather our families never got along.
> It's funny in my opinion. What great lengths people will go for a acre of
> land. Well I do have some advice. Just keep gooing on to other lines.
> Hopefully their in Jalisco at least all it will be easier in my opinion. The
> Spanish families are so well documented until about 1730. Post 1730 is when
> you must order microfilm in order to connect to the pre 1730 genealogy.
> Where exactlyis your family from in Jalisco? If its los altos, remember to
> check more than one place. Pick Wisely, it can cost a bit. Remember our
> ancestors moved to place to place. -Daniel
> _________________________________________________________________
> The i'm Talkathon starts 6/24/08. For now, give amongst yourselves.
> http://www.imtalkathon.com?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnMore_GiveAmongst

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Daniel,
How do I get in"Archivos Espanoles en Red"
Thanks. Juanita

--- On Fri, 6/27/08, Daniel Mendez wrote:

From: Daniel Mendez
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Advice on how to continue when you're stuck
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 3:25 PM

Hola America, Archivos Espanoles en Red can help you if your ancestor emmigrated
to Mexico between 1519-ca. 1821. So a good chunck of time. Are you related to
the famous MArtinez del Rio familiy? Some their house members are in Jalisco?
According to my grandfather our families never got along. It's funny in my
opinion. What great lengths people will go for a acre of land. Well I do have
some advice. Just keep gooing on to other lines. Hopefully their in Jalisco at
least all it will be easier in my opinion. The Spanish families are so well
documented until about 1730. Post 1730 is when you must order microfilm in
order to connect to the pre 1730 genealogy.
Where exactlyis your family from in Jalisco? If its los altos, remember to
check more than one place. Pick Wisely, it can cost a bit. Remember our
ancestors moved to place to place. -Daniel
_________________________________________________________________
The i’m Talkathon starts 6/24/08.  For now, give amongst yourselves.
http://www.imtalkathon.com?source=TXT_EML_WLH_LearnMore_GiveAmongst

Found New Site

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Hola A Todos,

I doen't know if anyone else has found this site but just in case I wanted to share it since
I have found little pieces of information :

http://pages.prodigy.net/bluemountain1/newitems.htm

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Hola Sophia,I know of this web site of New Mexico . I found relations via Los Arellanos and Vasquez de lara both having common ancestors of mine and blood relations to my first cousin 's husband who is from New Mexico whose ancestors have been there over 300 years.It was a trip and a surpriseto my cousin .
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Family Search Labs

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I was up late last night searching the Family Search Labs pilot website,
too! It's great! Not only in the 1930 census have I found ancestors, but
in typing in names to do a search on, I found information I have been

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I have also been looking at records from Aguascalientes using the new
FamilySearch Labs pilot website, and have a few comments to make. The "look
and feel" of the search engine is great. A huge leap ahead from the old
FamilySearch engine. However, I get a large number of duplicate records,
plus a high number of misspellings and blunt errors in the transcription.
Many are surnames, which is critical, plus the names of towns and ranchos
and a few other transcription errors also abound. I also get lots of
records from Campeche mixed with records from Aguascalientes. All errors are
apparently in the transcription of old manuscripts. I need to find out how
to report these errors. But the search engine is superb. Congratulations
to the software team that put it together !!!

Bill Figueroa

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Corrine

What baptism, marriage and death records have you found? From what States in US, or any in Mexico? I did find several death records from the state of Texas in that Pilot site that I had been looking for for years, and when I would write, people would tell me they didn't exist. Now I have the info on their parents and birthplaces in Mexico. Because I could print out a copy of the original document, I could share them with my relatives that don't have computers. I haven't found any marriage or birth records, so I am wondering which states' records are available. I have a cousin in Santa Maria, Armando Marquez.

Thanks,

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: Corrine Ardoin
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Search Labs

I was up late last night searching the Family Search Labs pilot website,
too! It's great! Not only in the 1930 census have I found ancestors, but
in typing in names to do a search on, I found information I have been
looking for without previous luck. It brought up baptism records, marriage
records, death records, Social Security death index, etc. even in the USA,
when I typed in a particular name. It even has some of the actual documents
themselves that you can see and print out. If you click on Save, it will
automatically download it to your computer and, presto, there it is ready to
be fixed up or you can just print it out. One thing I discovered, is that
when you resize them for emailing, so they aren't such big files, they get
real blurry. So, I don't resize them. I leave them huge and they are
actually better for reading even if you have to move the image around and
can't see the whole thing at once.
Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

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Tell me how to access the Family Search Labs pilot website. Is it accessible to all

Miggy
----- Original Message -----
From: Emilie Garcia
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Search Labs

Corrine

What baptism, marriage and death records have you found? From what States in US, or any in Mexico? I did find several death records from the state of Texas in that Pilot site that I had been looking for for years, and when I would write, people would tell me they didn't exist. Now I have the info on their parents and birthplaces in Mexico. Because I could print out a copy of the original document, I could share them with my relatives that don't have computers. I haven't found any marriage or birth records, so I am wondering which states' records are available. I have a cousin in Santa Maria, Armando Marquez.

Thanks,

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: Corrine Ardoin>
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Search Labs

I was up late last night searching the Family Search Labs pilot website,
too! It's great! Not only in the 1930 census have I found ancestors, but
in typing in names to do a search on, I found information I have been
looking for without previous luck. It brought up baptism records, marriage
records, death records, Social Security death index, etc. even in the USA,
when I typed in a particular name. It even has some of the actual documents
themselves that you can see and print out. If you click on Save, it will
automatically download it to your computer and, presto, there it is ready to
be fixed up or you can just print it out. One thing I discovered, is that
when you resize them for emailing, so they aren't such big files, they get
real blurry. So, I don't resize them. I leave them huge and they are
actually better for reading even if you have to move the image around and
can't see the whole thing at once.
Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

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The Family Search Labs site address is: <
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch&gt;. A box comes up that you
can type in the person's name you are searching. It gives you choices as to
how exact you want the surname to be matched up. I found that if I click on
"Exact, close, and partial," I get the most number of records with the exact
same spelling of the surname. If I just click "Exact or close," I get much
less, maybe only a few. I don't know how that happens, but it did for me.
The baptism records I found were for Jalisco: San Diego parish in
Huejuquilla El Alto, Santa Maria de los Lagos parish in Lagos de Moreno and
Jesus parish in Guadalajara. Marriage records were for Guadalajara. But,
in my searches, a lot of other areas would come up for that surname,
Argentina, Texas, Chihuahua, well, I can't remember all of the places, but
some of the records I found, I had already found through research or on
Ancestry.com. The dates and names, all the info matches up the same as what
I've already found. They'll say whether or not a record also has an
original image available, but when I clicked on one, it told me it was not
available yet.

Despite the kinks, it is well worth the time to just check it out. I had no
idea where to go with my research in my Cabral family line, but when I found
the baptism records on this site for Huejuquilla El Alto, I was very
grateful to now have a direction to head. I knew my great-grandfather was
born in Lagos de Moreno, but I had no date to go by to order a film for the
parish there. Now I do, because they had his baptism record on the site. I
think they are doing a great job and.....it's free!

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

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Oh, I checked the site real quick and right when you come on to the site,
you can see listed all the areas they have records for, from all over the
world, census, military, vital records, etc.
Corrine

Making a copy of film records?

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This may be a question I should have asked at the beginning of my research, but someone told me there was a way to make a copy of records found on film at the FHC. I know how to get the film and look at it, but I wasn't sure if I could actually make a copy of the original document, especially when it's one of many on a page.

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The History Center that I visit has a projector where you can scan your
film, and once you find the record that you are interested in, you can zoom
in on it, focus, turn it side ways or at any angle you want. This projector
is attached to a computer that has a printer to print out the record you
have selected. They charged me 25 cents per copy; or you can take a CD and
for a Dollar you can copy all the records you want to it. or better yet, do
you have a memory stick? you can use it to copy the records to it and then
take them to your computer for viewing , editing, and printing.

I hope this helps.

John Gonzalez.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "chula801"
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 15:32
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Making a copy of film records?

>
> This may be a question I should have asked at the beginning of my
> research, but someone told me there was a way to make a copy...

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Fellow list members,

You can go to the LDS Family search here http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0
and browse through the 1930 Mexico census.

Its time consuming, but using a period city map and going page by page I have locate family in the cities of Tampico and San Luis Potosi.

For the smaller towns and rural areas this should be much easier. Take a look

Eric Robledo Edgar

Could someone with better languague skills than me translate this to Spanish?
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From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@verizon.net>

> Hi:
>
> The History Center that I visit has a projector where you can scan your
> film, and once you find the record that you are interested in, you can zoom
> in on it, focus, turn it side ways or at any angle you want. This projector
> is attached to a computer that has a printer to print out the record you
> have selected. They charged me 25 cents per copy; or you can take a CD and
> for a Dollar you can copy all the records you want to it. or better yet, do
> you have a memory stick? you can use it to copy the records to it and then
> take them to your computer for viewing , editing, and printing.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
>
> John Gonzalez.
>
> ================================================================================
> =========
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chula801"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 15:32
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Making a copy of film records?
>
>
> >
> > This may be a question I should have asked at the beginning of my
> > research, but someone told me there was a way to make a copy...
>

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Dear Rancho Members--

I have used this site with good luck. However, the
records are not complete. If you do not find family
members in the different ranchos, towns, etc., do not
be discouraged. I have the 1930 Census on Microfilm
for a number of different places in Jalisco and I use
both of these sources.

Sincerely,
Patricia Diane Godinez
AKA Patricia Burton

--- eaego@comcast.net wrote:

> Fellow list members,
>
> You can go to the LDS Family search here
>
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0
> and browse through the 1930 Mexico census.
>
> Its time consuming, but using a period city map and
> going page by page I have locate family in the
> cities of Tampico and San Luis Potosi.
>
> For the smaller towns and rural areas this should be
> much easier. Take a look
>
> Eric Robledo Edgar
>
> Could someone with better languague skills than me
> translate this to Spanish?
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
>
> > Hi:
> >
> > The History Center that I visit has a projector
> where you can scan your
> > film, and once you find the record that you are
> interested in, you can zoom
> > in on it, focus, turn it side ways or at any angle
> you want. This projector
> > is attached to a computer that has a printer to
> print out the record you
> > have selected. They charged me 25 cents per copy;
> or you can take a CD and
> > for a Dollar you can copy all the records you want
> to it. or better yet, do
> > you have a memory stick? you can use it to copy
> the records to it and then
> > take them to your computer for viewing , editing,
> and printing.
> >
> > I hope this helps.
> >
> >
> > John Gonzalez.
> >
> >
>
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>
> > =========
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "chula801"
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 15:32
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Making a copy of film
> records?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > This may be a question I should have asked at
> the beginning of my
> > > research, but someone told me there was a way to
> make a copy...
> >
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > general(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

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Dear Rancho Members--

I have used this site with good luck.

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0
and browse through the 1930 Mexico census.

However, the records are not complete. If you do not
find family members in the different ranchos, towns,
etc., do not be discouraged. I have the 1930 Census
on Microfilm for a number of different places in
Jalisco and I use both of these sources.

Sincerely,
Patricia Diane Godinez
AKA Patricia Burton

--- eaego@comcast.net wrote:

> Fellow list members,
>
> You can go to the LDS Family search here
>
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0
> and browse through the 1930 Mexico census.
>
> Its time consuming, but using a period city map and
> going page by page I have locate family in the
> cities of Tampico and San Luis Potosi.
>
> For the smaller towns and rural areas this should be
> much easier. Take a look
>
> Eric Robledo Edgar
>
> Could someone with better languague skills than me
> translate this to Spanish?
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
>
> > Hi:
> >
> > The History Center that I visit has a projector
> where you can scan your
> > film, and once you find the record that you are
> interested in, you can zoom
> > in on it, focus, turn it side ways or at any angle
> you want. This projector
> > is attached to a computer that has a printer to
> print out the record you
> > have selected. They charged me 25 cents per copy;
> or you can take a CD and
> > for a Dollar you can copy all the records you want
> to it. or better yet, do
> > you have a memory stick? you can use it to copy
> the records to it and then
> > take them to your computer for viewing , editing,
> and printing.
> >
> > I hope this helps.
> >
> >
> > John Gonzalez.
> >
> >
>
================================================================================
>
> > =========
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "chula801"
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 15:32
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Making a copy of film
> records?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > This may be a question I should have asked at
> the beginning of my
> > > research, but someone told me there was a way to
> make a copy...
> >
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > general(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

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Patricia Burton:

I want to thank you for sending this pilot family search website out as I
too found luck in finding several of my ancestors last night on this
website. I was up to 3:00AM.

Thanks again.

Anna Miklovic

-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of patricia
burton
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:58 PM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] 1930 Mexican Census #2

Dear Rancho Members--

I have used this site with good luck.

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0
and browse through the 1930 Mexico census.

However, the records are not complete. If you do not
find family members in the different ranchos, towns,
etc., do not be discouraged. I have the 1930 Census
on Microfilm for a number of different places in
Jalisco and I use both of these sources.

Sincerely,
Patricia Diane Godinez
AKA Patricia Burton

--- eaego@comcast.net wrote:

> Fellow list members,
>
> You can go to the LDS Family search here
>
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0
> and browse through the 1930 Mexico census.
>
> Its time consuming, but using a period city map and
> going page by page I have locate family in the
> cities of Tampico and San Luis Potosi.
>
> For the smaller towns and rural areas this should be
> much easier. Take a look
>
> Eric Robledo Edgar
>
> Could someone with better languague skills than me
> translate this to Spanish?
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
>
> > Hi:
> >
> > The History Center that I visit has a projector
> where you can scan your
> > film, and once you find the record that you are
> interested in, you can zoom
> > in on it, focus, turn it side ways or at any angle
> you want. This projector
> > is attached to a computer that has a printer to
> print out the record you
> > have selected. They charged me 25 cents per copy;
> or you can take a CD and
> > for a Dollar you can copy all the records you want
> to it. or better yet, do
> > you have a memory stick? you can use it to copy
> the records to it and then
> > take them to your computer for viewing , editing,
> and printing.
> >
> > I hope this helps.
> >
> >
> > John Gonzalez.
> >
> >
>
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====
>
> > =========
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "chula801"
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 15:32
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Making a copy of film
> records?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > This may be a question I should have asked at
> the beginning of my
> > > research, but someone told me there was a way to
> make a copy...
> >
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > general(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

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Hello, they will make a copy for you that cost about 10 cents or you can take your digital camera and film it yourself.
 
I didn't have time to record a film I ordered that came in too late before leaving the area so I filmed a complete year of records. 
 
Linda in B.C.

--- On Sun, 6/22/08, chula801 wrote:

From: chula801
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Making a copy of film records?
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 3:32 PM

This may be a question I should have asked at the beginning of my research, but
someone told me there was a way to make a copy of records found on film at the
FHC. I know how to get the film and look at it, but I wasn't sure if I
could actually make a copy of the original document, especially when it's
one of many on a page. Thus far, I have been writing by hand all the info
found on the records and this would cut time considerably. Thanks!

Juan Gomez and Maria de Jesus Carrillo inJalos

Published by sandragomezenriquez –
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Hi John! To the rescue like always. :-) gracias!

The problem is that I have that info already... I'd like to see if anyone has the record itself to see which of the 2 Juan's in the family he is. Also, I'd like more info on his parents Francisco and Ana Quiteria if possible.

Juan Gomez y Ma de Jesus Carrillo

Published by sandragomezenriquez –
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Hello to all!

I am sooo excited. I've been able to link my current Gomez line from Juchipila, Zac back 5 generations to a couple from Jalos. It was Juan Gomez and Ma de Jesus Carrillo, married on 1/27/1809 in Nuestra Senora de la Asuncion in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. The problem is that Juan's parent's Francisco and Ana Quiteria Agredano had 2 sons named Juan, one Juan Januario and one Juan Eugenio. Which one of these married Ma de Jesus Carrillo in Jalos? Help!

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Any luck in having the record for Juan Gomez and Ma de Jesus Carrillo, married on 1/27/1809 in Nuestra Senora de la Asuncion in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco?

Thanks!

****************

A podido alguien encontrar el record del siguiente matrimonio? Juan Gomez y Ma de Jesus Carrillo, 1/27/1809, Nuestra Senora de la Asuncion, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

Gracias!

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Hi Sandra:

Today is your lucky day...

Here's the info you're looking for:

Juan Gomez Married to Maria de Jesus Carrillo M: 27 Jan, 1809.
Jalostotitlán, Jalisco

Daughter of : Francisco Carrillo and Maria Ximenez

LDS: Batch M603229 Dates: 1800-1815 Film #0279300

I hope this helps.

John Gonzalez.
Wildomar CA.
1gnzlz@verizon.net

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From: "sandragomezmendoza"
To:
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2008 18:50
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Juan Gomez and Maria de Jesus Carrillo in Jalos

>
> Any luck in having the record for Juan Gomez and Ma de Jesus Carrillo,
> married on 1/27/1809 in Nuestra Senora de la Asuncion in Jalostotitlan,
> Jalisco?
>
> Thanks!

Las Animas, Felipe Puentes

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What a satisfaction in helping!, I sent an answer to Ramiro Puentes about his quest for Felipe Puentes, found it in rancho Las Animas of Nochistlán, Zacatecas. Greetings to all!

Leticia Leon Mora

SEARCHING FOR THE PUENTES FROM RANCHO LAS ANIMAS, NOCHISTLAN, ZACATECAS

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CAN SOMEONE OF THIS FORUM HAVE ANY KIND OF INFORMATION ABOUT PEOPLE WITH THE LAST NAME PUENTES, MY GRANPA NAME WAS FELIPE PUENTES RODRIGUEZ BORN AND RAISED IN RANCHO LAS ANIMAS MUNICIPIO DE NOCHISTLAN, ZACATECAS I WAS BORN AUGUST 23,1912 OR 1917

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Hola Ramiro
 
Puede como opción consultar el Censo de Mexico 1930, en el link www.familysearchlabs.org &nbsp; El censo de Las Animas aparece al final de los ranchos de Nochistlán. Espero le sea útil. 
 
Leticia Leon Morales
 
Hi Ramiro
 
You may go to familysearchlabs for consulting Censo de Mexico 1930. Las Animas is at the end in the list of ranchos for Nochistlan. Hope it is useful.
 
Leticia Leon Morales

--- El jue 26-jun-08, ramiropuentes escribió:

De:: ramiropuentes
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] SEARCHING FOR THE PUENTES FROM RANCHO LAS ANIMAS, NOCHISTLAN, ZACATECAS
A: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: jueves, 26 junio, 2008, 11:55 pm

CAN SOMEONE OF THIS FORUM HAVE ANY KIND OF INFORMATION ABOUT PEOPLE WITH THE
LAST NAME PUENTES, MY GRANPA NAME WAS FELIPE PUENTES RODRIGUEZ BORN AND RAISED
IN RANCHO LAS ANIMAS MUNICIPIO DE NOCHISTLAN, ZACATECAS I WAS BORN AUGUST
23,1912 OR 1917

THANKS

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Ramiro,
Both my parents were born and raised in Las Animas. I'll ask them if the name rings a bell. As you may know the rancho is small, everybody knows everybody. I'll get back to you.
Lourdes

On Jun 26, 2008, at 9:55 PM, ramiropuentes wrote:

CAN SOMEONE OF THIS FORUM HAVE ANY KIND OF INFORMATION ABOUT PEOPLE WITH THE LAST NAME PUENTES, MY GRANPA NAME WAS FELIPE PUENTES RODRIGUEZ BORN AND RAISED IN RANCHO LAS ANIMAS MUNICIPIO DE NOCHISTLAN, ZACATECAS I WAS BORN AUGUST 23,1912 OR 1917

THANKS

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Ramiro,
Both my parents were born and raised in Las Animas. I'll ask them if the name rings a bell. As you may know the rancho is small, everybody knows everybody. I'll get back to you.
Lourdes

On Jun 26, 2008, at 9:55 PM, ramiropuentes wrote:

CAN SOMEONE OF THIS FORUM HAVE ANY KIND OF INFORMATION ABOUT PEOPLE WITH THE LAST NAME PUENTES, MY GRANPA NAME WAS FELIPE PUENTES RODRIGUEZ BORN AND RAISED IN RANCHO LAS ANIMAS MUNICIPIO DE NOCHISTLAN, ZACATECAS I WAS BORN AUGUST 23,1912 OR 1917

THANKS

No Flame Wars on the nuestrosranchos.org Group

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En posicion de uno de los mediadors es mi intencion a guardar la paz. Quitaré cualquier persona del grupo que causa problemas. Horita no hay problema y quicera que eso no cambia. He creado un grupo especial para que todos interesados pueden continuar en esta discusión fuera del grupo. Cualquier persona interesada en ser parte de este grupo envía su dirección

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Hey Joseph ,

I'm behind you 100% , this is a group for genealogy . I belong to another genealogy group and it's a lot more slack when it comes to topics they even send jokes and things that really don't have anything to do with genealogy .

Sometimes it bugs me but like I said I'm 100 % behind you . As for me you KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK !

Welester

> > En posicion de uno de los mediadors es mi intencion a guardar la paz. Quitaré cualquier persona del grupo que causa problemas. Horita no hay problema y quicera que eso no cambia. He creado un grupo especial para que todos interesados pueden continuar en esta discusión fuera del grupo. Cualquier persona interesada en ser parte de este grupo envía su dirección> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_OtherDiscussion/&gt; > My self imposed role in the group at this point of my life is to make sure that the nuestrosranchos.org group remains a place where serious genealogists can help one another in a comfortable and safe space. Yes from time to time something controversial is said and yes from time to time feathers are ruffled. I've lived in the deep South - North Carolina since 1998 previously having lived in Maryland for 18 years and before that SJ, CA for 26 years. Talk about culture shock, the South is a place of culture shock for a person coming from my background. The racism here in the South is so thick you can cut it with a knife. Every time there is any type of personality clash it always ends up being because this person doesn't like black people or that person doesn't like white people. It is always about race. It has developed into a "way of life" for a lot of folks unfortunately and a system that has been around for many many many years before me and will be around for more years to come. Yes I could devote my life to changing that, but that is not where my priorities lie at the present. AND having said that I don't feel it is my position to "Fix" or even jump in here and there and take up the shield of good v. bad on social issues and on the side of being politically correct or even feeling like I have to take a position simply because I happen to be one of the moderators. My views are just that, mine. Anyone demanding to know my views just because I'm the moderator should start discussion to remove me from that position. Get 51% of the members to want this and I'll gladly step down, no argument from me. I've never ever wanted to be where I'm not wanted. eh dicho!> > People will remember the days of me weilding my Ax and purging the group of members that never sent in genealogies. I will not hesitate for a moment to eliminate a flame war on the nuestrosranchos.org group even if it means dissolving the group. There will be no flame wars in the group. Now having said that I don't want you all to think that I'm cutting off discussion on this subject which I'm not. What I am is saying that within the NR group there will be no flame wars and this message has the potential to dissolve into that. So I have created a special yahoo group called: NR_OtherDiscussion. I will bend over backward to enroll all people in the NR group that would like to be part of this group. Just email me and I'll subscribe you and on this group you can talk about anything under the Sun no restriction: Sex, Drugs, RocknRoll, have at it.(at)nuestrosranchos.org> >
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Estimado señor Joseph Puentes:
Vicente, se retira del foro.
El motivo es que a mis 51 años de edad, me encuentro lleno de tareas al estar terminando mi tercera carrera profesional.
Como ingeniero, maestro de danza folklórica y educador, tengo la satisfacción de haber llevado muy en alto el nombre y tradiciones de México por el mundo y de haber pugnado por la superación de la gente de los ranchos. Yo si me llené los zapatos de tierra, como responsable de la capacitación de los campesinos del Estado de Yucatán durante seis años, para el mejoramiento de su nivel de vida.
Como agente de cambio y mejoramiento de las técnicas agrícolas durante 16 años con los campesinos del centro y altos de Jalisco, lo que me mereció la beca Eni Chem filial de Shell dada en Lucca Italia en 1986.
Ahora, llevo ocho años como asesor, tutor y maestro de los hijos de migrantes de Veracruz, Chiapas y Oaxaca que llegan a la frontera.
Agradezco las finas atenciones de Usted y de las personas que me escribieron, a los que fueron objetivos y conscientes de los tiempos que vivimos.
A los que vieron moros con tranchete donde no los había, los felicito de todo corazón, enhorabuena por su posición defensiva, ojala que sus palabras se traduzcan en hechos concretos de ayuda y empuje de superación para los demás, sobre todo de los más desvalidos y necesitados.
Vicente (antes de San Miguel), se retira del foro (sin haber empezado a hablar de genealogía) como Galileo Galilei, diciendo: Amo y amaré a la mujer alteña hasta el día de mi muerte.
Gracias, y favor de borrar toda evidencia de que un día estuve aquí.
Buena suerte.
Dear Mr. Joseph Puentes:
Vicente, says Good bye. The reason is that to my 51 years of age, I am plenty of works because I am finishing my third professional race.
Engineer, teacher of folkloric dance and secondary school. I have the satisfaction to have taken very high the name and traditions of Mexico by the world and of to have struggled by the overcoming of the people of the farms. I really filled with earth my shoes, like person in charge of the qualification of the farmers of the State of Yucatan during six years, for the improvement of its standard of life. Agent of change and improvement of the agricultural techniques during 16 years with the farmers of the center and Altos of Jalisco, which deserved the scholarship to me Eni filial Chem of Shell given in Lucca Italy in 1986. Now, I have been eight years like adviser, tutor and teacher of the children of migrant of Veracruz, Chiapas and Oaxaca that arrive at the border.
I appreciate the fine attentions of You and the people who wrote to me, to that were conscious objectives of the times that we lived.
Who has looking for Moors with knife where there were no them I congratulate, them of all heart, I admire their defensive position, hopefully that its words you are translated in concrete facts of aid and push of overcoming for the others, mainly of most destitute and needed. Vicente (before San Miguel), retires of the forum (without to have begun to speak of genealogy) like Galileo Galilei, saying: I love for ever the alteña woman until the day of my death. Thanks, and please to erase all evidence of which a day I was here. Good luck.

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: makas@nc.rr.com> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:28:10 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] No Flame Wars on the nuestrosranchos.org Group> > > En posicion de uno de los mediadors es mi intencion a guardar la paz. Quitaré cualquier persona del grupo que causa problemas. Horita no hay problema y quicera que eso no cambia. He creado un grupo especial para que todos interesados pueden continuar en esta discusión fuera del grupo. Cualquier persona interesada en ser parte de este grupo envía su dirección> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_OtherDiscussion/&gt; > My self imposed role in the group at this point of my life is to make sure that the nuestrosranchos.org group remains a place where serious genealogists can help one another in a comfortable and safe space. Yes from time to time something controversial is said and yes from time to time feathers are ruffled. I've lived in the deep South - North Carolina since 1998 previously having lived in Maryland for 18 years and before that SJ, CA for 26 years. Talk about culture shock, the South is a place of culture shock for a person coming from my background. The racism here in the South is so thick you can cut it with a knife. Every time there is any type of personality clash it always ends up being because this person doesn't like black people or that person doesn't like white people. It is always about race. It has developed into a "way of life" for a lot of folks unfortunately and a system that has been around for many many many years before me and will be around for more years to come. Yes I could devote my life to changing that, but that is not where my priorities lie at the present. AND having said that I don't feel it is my position to "Fix" or even jump in here and there and take up the shield of good v. bad on social issues and on the side of being politically correct or even feeling like I have to take a position simply because I happen to be one of the moderators. My views are just that, mine. Anyone demanding to know my views just because I'm the moderator should start discussion to remove me from that position. Get 51% of the members to want this and I'll gladly step down, no argument from me. I've never ever wanted to be where I'm not wanted. eh dicho!> > People will remember the days of me weilding my Ax and purging the group of members that never sent in genealogies. I will not hesitate for a moment to eliminate a flame war on the nuestrosranchos.org group even if it means dissolving the group. There will be no flame wars in the group. Now having said that I don't want you all to think that I'm cutting off discussion on this subject which I'm not. What I am is saying that within the NR group there will be no flame wars and this message has the potential to dissolve into that. So I have created a special yahoo group called: NR_OtherDiscussion. I will bend over backward to enroll all people in the NR group that would like to be part of this group. Just email me and I'll subscribe you and on this group you can talk about anything under the Sun no restriction: Sex, Drugs, RocknRoll, have at it.> > Your Group NR_OtherDiscussion has been created. You can access your group using the link below or from the Yahoo! Groups "My Groups" page.> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_OtherDiscussion/&gt; > Group name: NR_OtherDiscussion> Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_OtherDiscussion&gt; Group email: NR_OtherDiscussion@yahoogroups.com> > joseph> > ====================> > Joseph Puentes> http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)> http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)> http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)> http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy)> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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My Photos

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Hi, Joseph:
I double-checked my album in the Member's Photos and the new ones I placed
there are there. It is in Corrine's Martin del Campo Collection.

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

"Finding Your Mexican Ancestors" book

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I just wanted to let everyone know, that George & Peggy Ryskamp, just published a new book titled "Finding Your Mexican Ancestors, A Beginner's Guide". It is available through Ancestry at the moment. From what I have been able to read, it is a very good book, especially for beginners and for those of us, who have been researching for a while.

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About Ana Camacho and her Hermosillo line

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Sophia Celeste and others,

One of the ancestry lines of Ana Camacho goes to Alonso de Hermosillo and
Catalina Gonzalez (Ana Camacho's GGGGrandparents) who, together with their
son Juan Gonzalez

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Efrain! I'm so sorry, I feel silly, maybe I repeated a question that I knew. Lately I have became confused because I have discovered so much that it is overwelming. But Thank you for putting the info for me. When I searched in the archives of Nuestros Ranchos, mormonboy had asked this question about Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza and you answered and this is when I discovered the names of Diego, Rodrigo Dias de Vivar Hurtado deMendoza, Marques de Cenate, and Maria Fonseca y Toledo, so I began to research and found these complete names so I wanted someone who has investigated much longer then me to let me know if these people were correct. If these are family members of Maria Muñoz. If I have the right Diego, Rodrigo or Maria.Do you know this to be true? Un Saludo.Sophia

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Villa Garcia

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Good Evening All,
Would the group be so kind as to verify that no LDS film exists for Villa Garcia, Zacatecas births 1857/58?
I can't locate one, but I might have overlooked it. Thanks so much, Al

Antecedentes Censales en Mexico

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Antecedentes censales

Conoce cómo y cuándo iniciaron los censos de población y vivienda en México
- A A A +

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Published by vicente de san… (no verificado) – Mié, 2008-06-25 14:00 | Enlace permanente

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Totalmente de acuerdo
Saludos a Rancho grande, y a todas las tapatías.
Espero pronto estar por allá, por una escamocha, una jericalla y un biónico de los pasajes subterráneos.
Saludos Vicente de san Miguel

> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:43:04 -0600> From: vigotal@gmail.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org; genealogia.org.mx@gmail.com; genealogia-mexico-occidente@googlegroups.com> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Antecedentes Censales en Mexico> > http://www2.eluniversal.com.mx/pls/impreso/noticia.html?id_nota=300229&…; > Antecedentes censales> > Conoce cómo y cuándo iniciaron los censos de población y vivienda en México> - A A A +> > Redacción online> El Universal> > Miércoles 17 de agosto de 2005> A lo largo de la historia, la información estadística ha sido> fundamental para conocer las características de la población, con el> propósito de identificar las necesidades y la dimensión de las> potencialidades del país.> > En México, el interés por obtener datos estadísticos para apoyar el> desarrollo ha estado presente desde la época precortesiana, durante la> Colonia y, de manera especial, en el México independiente.> > La realización de los censos en la época moderna inició en 1895, y se> ha hecho de manera periódica cada 10 años a partir de 1900; sin> embargo, debido a las necesidades de actualización de las estadísticas> sociodemográficas en periodos intercensales, el Instituto Nacional de> Estadística, Geografía e Informática (INEGI) llevó a cabo en 1995 el> primer Conteo de Población y Vivienda.> > Sin embargo, los testimonios censales más antiguos en el territorio> nacional se remontan a la época precortesiana. Monumentos, códices y> jeroglíficos dan cuenta de los recuentos poblacionales de las diversas> culturas del México prehispánico.> > El primer recuento demográfico data de 1116 y fue efectuado por los> Chichimecas que migraron desde Aztlán al Valle de México, marcando así> el inicio de la tradición censal mexicana.> > Durante la Colonia se realizó el Censo de Revillagigedo (de 1790 a> 1793), que constituye el primer esfuerzo oficial para llevar a cabo un> censo de población. Este levantamiento se realizó con los> procedimientos propios de la época, revelando importantes datos de los> últimos años del periodo colonial.> > Cien años no es nada> > Por otra parte, el país tiene más de cien años de historia censal. Los> censos de población iniciaron de manera regular en 1895. Asimismo, a> partir de 1900 se realizan los censos de población cada 10 años, con> excepción de 1921.> > amr> > -- > Saludos desde Guadalajara:> > Tomas Alejandro Villegas Gomez> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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1930 Mexican Census #2

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Dear Patricia,
Thanks so much. Unfortunately, the city I NEED to research for my Onates is Aguascalientes, Aguas., which to my best knowledge is not recorded! Alice BB

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¿Habrá un impacto =?win...

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Perdona le interupcion en esa tema pero tengo que decir que aunque soy una
de esas gueras de los altos de Jalisco, soy muy orgullosa de ser mestiza y de
mis raices indigenas. Me da mucha tristeza escuchar la gente hablar tan mal de

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Published by vicente de san… (no verificado) – Mié, 2008-06-25 13:45 | Enlace permanente

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Carolina, Daniel, Rodolfo
Déjeme participarle que el día de hoy, mi hijo ganó el premio Max Schein, por ser el mejor de su generación en la Secundaria. Se trata de un premio que otorga la familia de empresarios Schein Pelletier, en agradecimiento a todo lo que han recibido de México, su nueva patria.
Vuelvo a citar a mi amigo el Ingeniero Joel Isaac Ramirez Gutierrez (de Tepatitlán) quien suele decir….Mejor que querencia, busca conveniencia y ama a la tierra que te da de comer.
Salvador de Madariaga se lamenta de tanto cuanto perdió España, al expulsar a moros y judíos de su territorio.
Jamás tuve la intención de polemizar, en cuestiones de racismo o xenofóbicas. Simplemente me pareció conveniente que conocieran información actual, acerca de las migraciones recientes de chiapanecos a Los Altos (de Jalisco), donde quizás sienten sus bases apellidos como Galmich, Cigarroa, Ambros, Mil, José, Sombra, Emiliano, etc.
Situación que al fin y al cabo, sí tiene un amplio sentido genealógico, considerando al mundo como una aldea global de intenso dinamismo poblacional.
Algunos sonorenses se conduelen de la inmigración masiva de Oaxaqueños que están recibiendo, sin pensar en los posibles aportes que este grupo nuevo en su fisiografía, pudiera darles.
Según Stormfront, que es una página radical y racista, la población mexicana se compone asi :29% indios, 59% mestizos, 12%blancos.
Con más blancos Sonora (46%), con más mestizos Durango (89%), con más indios Oaxaca (69%).
Con menos blancos Durango (1%), con menos mestizos Oaxaca (28%), con menos indios Sinaloa (1%).
Como educador, considero que más allá de Blasones, alcurnias, mapas genéticos y resabios, es la educación y la preparación para un mundo cada vez más competitivo, lo que permitirá al individuo la permeabilidad o ascenso social, y las capacidades y mente abierta para una sana convivencia con los demás.

Como soy nuevo en el foro, favor de decirme si debemos hablar exclusivamente de genealogía, y de que fechas hacia atrás. Si es que debemos cerrar los ojos al acontecer actual.
Saludos
Vicente de San Miguel.
Carolina, Daniel, Rodolfo
Today, my son gained the prize Max Schein, for being the best one of its generation in the Secondary school. One is a prize that the family of industralists Schein Pelletier grants, in gratefulness to everything what they have received from Mexico, their new adoptive country. I return to mention my friend Engineer Joel Isaac Ramirez Gutierrez (of Tepatitlán) who usually says….Better than homing, it looks for convenience and it loves the Earth that it gives you to eat.
Salvador de Madariaga laments itself as much of whatever lost Spain, when expelling to Moors and Jews of his territory.
I never had the intention to argue, in questions of racism. Simply it seemed to me advisable that they knew information present, about the recent migrations of chiapanecos to Los Altos (of Jalisco), perhaps where they feel its bases last names like Galmich, Cigarroa, Ambros, Thousands, Jose, Sombra, Emiliano, etc. Situation that after all, yes has an ample genealogical sense, considering to the world like a global village of intense population dynamism. Some sonorenses are no like the massive immigration of Oaxaqueños that are receiving, without thinking about the possible contributions that this new group in its physiography, could give them.
According to Stormfront, that is a radical and racist page, the Mexican population is made up thus: 29% Indians, 59% mestizos, 12%Whites. With more targets Sonorous (46%), with more Durango mestizos (89%), with more Oaxaca Indians (69%). With less Durango Whites (1%), with less Oaxaca mestizos (28%), with less Sinaloa Indians (1%). I consider that beyond Blazons, lineages, genetic maps and vices, it is the education and the preparation for a more and more competitive world, which will allow to the individual the permeability or social ascent, and the capacities and open mind for one heal coexistence with the others. As I am new in the forum, please to say to me if we must speak exclusively of genealogy, and which dates backwards. If we must close the eyes when present occurring. Greetings Vicente of San Miguel.
I had used Babel fish translator service, excuse me mistakes. So long.

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Muy bien dicho Chente.
 
Felicidades por ser educador.
 
Juan Ramón Alvarez

--- On Wed, 6/25/08, vicente castro sifuentes wrote:

From: vicente castro sifuentes
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] RE: ¿Habrá un impacto =?win...
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 1:42 PM

Carolina, Daniel, Rodolfo
Déjeme participarle que el día de hoy, mi hijo ganó el premio Max Schein,
por ser el mejor de su generación en la Secundaria. Se trata de un premio que
otorga la familia de empresarios Schein Pelletier, en agradecimiento a todo lo
que han recibido de México, su nueva patria.
Vuelvo a citar a mi amigo el Ingeniero Joel Isaac Ramirez Gutierrez (de
Tepatitlán) quien suele decir….Mejor que querencia, busca conveniencia y ama
a la tierra que te da de comer.
Salvador de Madariaga se lamenta de tanto cuanto perdió España, al expulsar a
moros y judíos de su territorio.
Jamás tuve la intención de polemizar, en cuestiones de racismo o
xenofóbicas. Simplemente me pareció conveniente que conocieran información
actual, acerca de las migraciones recientes de chiapanecos a Los Altos (de
Jalisco), donde quizás sienten sus bases apellidos como Galmich, Cigarroa,
Ambros, Mil, José, Sombra, Emiliano, etc.
Situación que al fin y al cabo, sí tiene un amplio sentido genealógico,
considerando al mundo como una aldea global de intenso dinamismo poblacional.
Algunos sonorenses se conduelen de la inmigración masiva de Oaxaqueños que
están recibiendo, sin pensar en los posibles aportes que este grupo nuevo en
su fisiografía, pudiera darles.
Según Stormfront, que es una página radical y racista, la población mexicana
se compone asi :29% indios, 59% mestizos, 12%blancos.
Con más blancos Sonora (46%), con más mestizos Durango (89%), con más indios
Oaxaca (69%).
Con menos blancos Durango (1%), con menos mestizos Oaxaca (28%), con menos
indios Sinaloa (1%).
Como educador, considero que más allá de Blasones, alcurnias, mapas
genéticos y resabios, es la educación y la preparación para un mundo cada
vez más competitivo, lo que permitirá al individuo la permeabilidad o ascenso
social, y las capacidades y mente abierta para una sana convivencia con los
demás.

Como soy nuevo en el foro, favor de decirme si debemos hablar exclusivamente de
genealogía, y de que fechas hacia atrás. Si es que debemos cerrar los ojos al
acontecer actual.
Saludos
Vicente de San Miguel.
Carolina, Daniel, Rodolfo
Today, my son gained the prize Max Schein, for being the best one of its
generation in the Secondary school. One is a prize that the family of
industralists Schein Pelletier grants, in gratefulness to everything what they
have received from Mexico, their new adoptive country. I return to mention my
friend Engineer Joel Isaac Ramirez Gutierrez (of Tepatitlán) who usually
says….Better than homing, it looks for convenience and it loves the Earth
that it gives you to eat.
Salvador de Madariaga laments itself as much of whatever lost Spain, when
expelling to Moors and Jews of his territory.
I never had the intention to argue, in questions of racism. Simply it seemed to
me advisable that they knew information present, about the recent migrations of
chiapanecos to Los Altos (of Jalisco), perhaps where they feel its bases last
names like Galmich, Cigarroa, Ambros, Thousands, Jose, Sombra, Emiliano, etc.
Situation that after all, yes has an ample genealogical sense, considering to
the world like a global village of intense population dynamism. Some sonorenses
are no like the massive immigration of Oaxaqueños that are receiving, without
thinking about the possible contributions that this new group in its
physiography, could give them.
According to Stormfront, that is a radical and racist page, the Mexican
population is made up thus: 29% Indians, 59% mestizos, 12%Whites. With more
targets Sonorous (46%), with more Durango mestizos (89%), with more Oaxaca
Indians (69%). With less Durango Whites (1%), with less Oaxaca mestizos (28%),
with less Sinaloa Indians (1%). I consider that beyond Blazons, lineages,
genetic maps and vices, it is the education and the preparation for a more and
more competitive world, which will allow to the individual the permeability or
social ascent, and the capacities and open mind for one heal coexistence with
the others. As I am new in the forum, please to say to me if we must speak
exclusively of genealogy, and which dates backwards. If we must close the eyes
when present occurring. Greetings Vicente of San Miguel.
I had used Babel fish translator service, excuse me mistakes. So long.

> From: CarolinaRamosdeL@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:24:54
-0400> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]
¿Habrá un impacto =?win...> > Perdona le interupcion en esa tema pero
tengo que decir que aunque soy una > de esas gueras de los altos de Jalisco,
soy muy orgullosa de ser mestiza y de > mis raices indigenas. Me da mucha
tristeza escuchar la gente hablar tan mal de > la gente indigena y culparles
por los problemas sociales. Creo que esas > ideas son falsas y realmente no
viene con evidencia ni de un metodología sano. En > cualquier sitio de
genealogía vamos encontrar a gente de razas diversas y en > este sitio en
que estamos hablando de Mexico, claro que tenemos mestizos y > gente que
identifican como indigena. Creo que para trabajar juntos y para > creer una
ambiente agradable debemos intentar hablar sobre esas temas con mucho >
respeto y en una formar que no va insultar a nadien. Espero que respetan mi
> perspectiva y que hay otra/os que pienesn igual. Gracias por su
atencion.> > Lic. Carolina M. Ramos> > > > **************Gas
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Dear Rancho Researchers--

For years, I followed my husband's family lines back
many centuries. Now I find what gives me great
pleasure is turning to more recent times. For some of
us, the 1930 Mexican Census is like the day before

Villa Garcia

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Dear Group,
Does an LDS film for births 1857/58 Villa Garcia, Zacatecas exist? A border crossing record indicates that date and place of birth for my grgrandfather Rosalio Onate, AKA my brick wall. Any help would be appreciated.

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Hi Alice,
 
take a look, just weird, in the first page of Censo de Mexico 1930 for Villa Garcia, Zacatecas, in the mere Villa Garcia, there is a name as "jefe de manzana" a
profesor G. Yduñate B., what similar is that to "Oñate" surname!
 
Saludos, Leticia Leon Morales

--- El mié 25-jun-08, alicebb escribió:

De:: alicebb
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Villa Garcia
A: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: miércoles, 25 junio, 2008, 12:34 am

Dear Group,
Does an LDS film for births 1857/58 Villa Garcia, Zacatecas exist? A border
crossing record indicates that date and place of birth for my grgrandfather
Rosalio Onate, AKA my brick wall. Any help would be appreciated. Alice BB

de la Torre >Jerez de Garcia Salinas Zac Mx

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Thanks to member Sally who provided more ancestors for me to research, I was able to find Nicolasa de la Torre, father Roque de la Torre, mother Juana de la Torre, christening date 24 March 1694. FHL film 439844 dates 1685-1716 recorded in Jerez de Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico, two generations away from what Sally has called The Tronco of my Gonzales line.

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Anita,
My grandfather J Jesus Olague De la Torre es de Jerez de Garcia Salinas. He was born 10/08/1915, and had 3 sisters: Ana, Esther, Maria Soledad. His mother & father were Maria de la Torre (01/15/unknown) & Eusebio Olague. The mother of Maria de la Torre was Modesta Munoz.
Do you see any relationship with your family? Unfortunately, I do not have any more information.
Gabriela

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: aamorales42@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:07:47 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] de la Torre >Jerez de Garcia Salinas Zac Mx> > > Thanks to member Sally who provided more ancestors for me to research, I was able to find Nicolasa de la Torre, father Roque de la Torre, mother Juana de la Torre, christening date 24 March 1694. FHL film 439844 dates 1685-1716 recorded in Jerez de Garcia Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico, two generations away from what Sally has called The Tronco of my Gonzales line. Thanks Sally and to Nuestros Ranchos group. Anita> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Gabriela, Unfortunately there is no connection.  The last de la Torre  in my line is in 1694.  Keep hunting, you will succeed.  Anita

--- On Mon, 6/16/08, Gaby Olague wrote:

From: Gaby Olague
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] de la Torre >Jerez de Garcia Salinas Zac Mx
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 10:05 AM

Anita,
My grandfather J Jesus Olague De la Torre es de Jerez de Garcia Salinas. He was
born 10/08/1915, and had 3 sisters: Ana, Esther, Maria Soledad. His mother &
father were Maria de la Torre (01/15/unknown) & Eusebio Olague. The mother
of Maria de la Torre was Modesta Munoz.
Do you see any relationship with your family? Unfortunately, I do not have any
more information.
Gabriela

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: aamorales42@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:07:47 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] de la
Torre >Jerez de Garcia Salinas Zac Mx> > > Thanks to member Sally
who provided more ancestors for me to research, I was able to find Nicolasa de
la Torre, father Roque de la Torre, mother Juana de la Torre, christening date
24 March 1694. FHL film 439844 dates 1685-1716 recorded in Jerez de Garcia
Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico, two generations away from what Sally has called The
Tronco of my Gonzales line. Thanks Sally and to Nuestros Ranchos group.
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Gabriela, have you tried looking in Jalisco under De la Torre Ledesma
----- Original Message -----
From: Anita Morales
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] de la Torre >Jerez de Garcia Salinas Zac Mx

Gabriela, Unfortunately there is no connection.  The last de la Torre  in my line is in 1694.  Keep hunting, you will succeed.  Anita

--- On Mon, 6/16/08, Gaby Olague wrote:

From: Gaby Olague
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] de la Torre >Jerez de Garcia Salinas Zac Mx
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 10:05 AM

Anita,
My grandfather J Jesus Olague De la Torre es de Jerez de Garcia Salinas. He was
born 10/08/1915, and had 3 sisters: Ana, Esther, Maria Soledad. His mother &
father were Maria de la Torre (01/15/unknown) & Eusebio Olague. The mother
of Maria de la Torre was Modesta Munoz.
Do you see any relationship with your family? Unfortunately, I do not have any
more information.
Gabriela

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org&gt; From: aamorales42@yahoo.com&gt;
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:07:47 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] de la
Torre >Jerez de Garcia Salinas Zac Mx> > > Thanks to member Sally
who provided more ancestors for me to research, I was able to find Nicolasa de
la Torre, father Roque de la Torre, mother Juana de la Torre, christening date
24 March 1694. FHL film 439844 dates 1685-1716 recorded in Jerez de Garcia
Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico, two generations away from what Sally has called The
Tronco of my Gonzales line. Thanks Sally and to Nuestros Ranchos group.
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Do not limit your searches to such strict guidelines but try these
combinations for a surname search WITH THE "Use Exact Spelling" box checked.

do the following searches with the first name left blank:

De la Torre Ledesma
De la Torre Ledezma
Torre Ledesma
Torre Ledezma
Torres Ledesma
Torres Ledezma
Torrez Ledesma
Torrez Ledezma

joseph

ps: this tip was taught to me by my cousin and member of the group Angie
Godina. Very simple yet very powerful search technique.

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Miggy GUTIERREZ wrote:
> Gabriela, have you tried looking in Jalisco under De la Torre Ledesma
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Anita Morales
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 11:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] de la Torre >Jerez de Garcia Salinas Zac Mx
>
>
> Gabriela, Unfortunately there is no connection.  The last de la Torre  in my line is in 1694.  Keep hunting, you will succeed.  Anita
>
> --- On Mon, 6/16/08, Gaby Olague wrote:
>
> From: Gaby Olague
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] de la Torre >Jerez de Garcia Salinas Zac Mx
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 10:05 AM
>
> Anita,
> My grandfather J Jesus Olague De la Torre es de Jerez de Garcia Salinas. He was
> born 10/08/1915, and had 3 sisters: Ana, Esther, Maria Soledad. His mother &
> father were Maria de la Torre (01/15/unknown) & Eusebio Olague. The mother
> of Maria de la Torre was Modesta Munoz.
> Do you see any relationship with your family? Unfortunately, I do not have any
> more information.
> Gabriela
>
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org&gt; From: aamorales42@yahoo.com&gt;
> Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 14:07:47 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] de la
> Torre >Jerez de Garcia Salinas Zac Mx> > > Thanks to member Sally
> who provided more ancestors for me to research, I was able to find Nicolasa de
> la Torre, father Roque de la Torre, mother Juana de la Torre, christening date
> 24 March 1694. FHL film 439844 dates 1685-1716 recorded in Jerez de Garcia
> Salinas, Zacatecas, Mexico, two generations away from what Sally has called The
> Tronco of my Gonzales line. Thanks Sally and to Nuestros Ranchos group.
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I have also found some of my Ledesma in familysearch as Deledesma.

One more suggestion would be

De La Torre Deledesma

and other variants as Joseph suggests. Wish I had more on the De La Torre line. The one I was working on was in Tepatitlan. We could have a link here, but so far nothing seems familiar.

Maureen

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I have a 176 de la Torre in my files from Jerez Zacatecas Mexico and from Jalisco Mexico.  My files are on Rootsweb.com.  If you put Andres de la Torre, abt 1850  in the family tree search box it will take you to my files then you can go to the index to see if I have any names you are interested in.
 
good luck in your search,
Linda Castanon-Long in Gold River, B.C.

--- On Wed, 6/18/08, Maureen Bejar wrote:

From: Maureen Bejar
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Search Technique
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 12:20 AM

I have also found some of my Ledesma in familysearch as Deledesma.

One more suggestion would be

De La Torre Deledesma

and other variants as Joseph suggests. Wish I had more on the De La Torre
line. The one I was working on was in Tepatitlan. We could have a link here,
but so far nothing seems familiar.

Maureen

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Dear Linda:
I searched, but no link yet. I have been busy with my other Genealogy
projects, so have not worked much on my Alviso/Jaurequi lines. The De La
Torre line is linked with the Jaurequi's in Tepatitlan. Rick Rodriquez has
researched some of the De La Torre's in my line. I guess the marriage of
Juliana de la Torre and Antonio Gonzalez does not have their parents listed,
so I may be at a standstill. I still need to check on their children's
baptisms. Maybe someday we will find a link.

Maureen

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Erlinda
Castanon-Long
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:25 AM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Search Technique

I have a 176 de la Torre in my files from Jerez Zacatecas Mexico and from
Jalisco Mexico.  My files are on Rootsweb.com.  If you put Andres de la
Torre, abt 1850  in the family tree search box it will take you to my files
then you can go to the index to see if I have any names you are interested
in.
 
good luck in your search,
Linda Castanon-Long in Gold River, B.C.

--- On Wed, 6/18/08, Maureen Bejar wrote:

From: Maureen Bejar
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Search Technique
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 12:20 AM

I have also found some of my Ledesma in familysearch as Deledesma.

One more suggestion would be

De La Torre Deledesma

and other variants as Joseph suggests. Wish I had more on the De La Torre
line. The one I was working on was in Tepatitlan. We could have a link
here,
but so far nothing seems familiar.

Maureen

?Habr? un impacto =?win...

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Carolina,

Muy bien dicho y estoy totalmente de acuerdo con lo que dice. Aunque el
racismo existe de los dos lados. Si alguien se atreve a expresar orgullo de
sus ancestros Españoles parece que se considera una gran ofensa. Uno puede

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Esto es interesante que dice Maria yo pienso que debes ser orgulloso de tus raices no importa si eres espanol or indio o negro o chino eres lo que eres. Yo soy orgulloso de ser espanol. Yo no pienso nadie debe ser ofendido a expresar sus raices. No mas por que eres blanco no dice que eres mejor que otra persona. Eso es algo que mis antepasados no tomaron en cuenta todos somos iguales en los ojos de Dios. Yo tengo una linea negro y una de indigena y tambien estoy orgulloso de esos. Cuando le digo a las personas que tengo estas lineas no me lo crean. -Daniel

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Estimada Carolina

Gracias por sus comentarios.

Disculpas a todos si mi comentario pudo ofender a alguien, esa no ea la intención, simplemente retraté la realidad de mi pueblo, y aquí al pan se llama pan y al vino vino asì como al indio indio.

Personalmente nunca he comprendido porqué a la mayoría de los mexicanos les duele que los llamen indios cuando sí lo son, o que ataquen a quien siente simpatía por España o lo español. Y creo que nadie aquí se averguenza de ser Español, porque todos nuestros antepasados hasta la independencia eran españoles de raza y nación.

Creo que eso es producto del mito fundacional del Estado Nación Mexicano: Exaltar lo indio y satanizar lo español. ninguna raza es más o mejor que otra, pero cada quien debería saber lo que es y sentirse orgulloso de ello sin discriminar al otro. El tema del rasismo es muy polémico y no quisiera adentrar más en ello porque no es el sentido de éste espacio.

Lic. Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez
> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:54:43 -0700> From: mcortez3@gmail.com> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ?Habr? un impacto =?win...> > Carolina,> > Muy bien dicho y estoy totalmente de acuerdo con lo que dice. Aunque el> racismo existe de los dos lados. Si alguien se atreve a expresar orgullo de> sus ancestros Españoles parece que se considera una gran ofensa. Uno puede> expresar orgullo de sus raices indigenas pero no europeas sin que alguien se> ofenda. Me parece que existe mas racismo de un lado que del otro. Ojala> que mi perpectiva tambien sea respetada.> > Maria> > > > ------------------------------> >> > Message: 8> > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:24:54 EDT> > From: CarolinaRamosdeL@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ?Habr? un impacto =?win...> > To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"> >> > Perdona le interupcion en esa tema pero tengo que decir que aunque soy una> > de esas gueras de los altos de Jalisco, soy muy orgullosa de ser mestiza y> > de> > mis raices indigenas. Me da mucha tristeza escuchar la gente hablar tan mal> > de> > la gente indigena y culparles por los problemas sociales. Creo que esas> > ideas son falsas y realmente no viene con evidencia ni de un metodolog?a> > sano. En> > cualquier sitio de genealog?a vamos encontrar a gente de razas diversas y> > en> > este sitio en que estamos hablando de Mexico, claro que tenemos mestizos y> > gente que identifican como indigena. Creo que para trabajar juntos y para> > creer una ambiente agradable debemos intentar hablar sobre esas temas con> > mucho> > respeto y en una formar que no va insultar a nadien. Espero que respetan> > mi> > perspectiva y que hay otra/os que pienesn igual. Gracias por su atencion.> >> > Lic. Carolina M. Ramos> >> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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He estudiado la historia mexicana y tambien por mi familia la independencia fue algo en choque al pais a la vez todavia la prescencia espanola fue gran los realistas espanoles que se quedaron en Mexico fueron discriminados por no ser mestizo podiamos los dos lados los indigenas y espanoles fueron discriminados a la vez. No fue hasta 1917 al fin de la revolucion que la el "poder" del hombre espanol se termino
mi tercer bisabuelo fue un hacendado espanol con la hacienda despues de la revolucion o durante los Zapatistas truinfaron contra mi familia y quitaron nuestra hacienda y se mudieron a los EEUU.
y por la primera vez en 1917 ya no habia indigenas, espanoles, mulattos o castizos o negros todos se unificaron en union como mexicanos.

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I need help in creating an album as I am not very computer literate. I have 3 pictures to start with that I would like feed back from the group. More information to be provided when pictures are posted.

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Hi Anita,

I've moved this email over to the general@nuestrosranchos.org list

Go to the nuestrosranchos.org site and log in

then go to the top and see where it says "Albums" click on that link
then count over to the 7th folder which is called, "Members' and Group
Meeting Photos"

or specifically go to: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14347

once you are there then click on the option to the left called "Add a
album" and then fill in the information (title and description, give the
title as something like Anita (your last name) photos) and then click on
"submit"

after that then on the left side click on "Add a photo" and then add
your photo, or "Mass Import" if you want to add more than one photo at a
time.

joseph

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anna1m wrote:
>
> I need help in creating an album as I am not very computer literate.
> I have 3 pictures to start with that I would like feed back from the
> group. More information to be provided when pictures are posted.
> Thanks for the great info and assistance I am getting from the group.
> Anita

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Thanks, Joseph! I invite everyone to take a look at the photos. I added more photos; BANUELOS, my own family, and a couple of photos of my artwork. I hope you like them!

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¿Habrá un impacto fuerte reciente en la genealogía de algunos pueblos alteños?

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Mucho muy interesante Vicente, en particular para los que nos encontramos por EU, que no pasa un dia sin que se encuentre uno con sus paisanos, sea el mesero del restaurante, el jardinero del vecino o el obrero en construccion. Ahora imaginate la animosidad que sienten los Estado Unidenses al encontrarse con nosotros a cada paso. Casi casi como se han de sentir los Jaliscienses al ver que la puresa de Los Altos ya no esta tan pura, sino mesclada de todos colores y paises.

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Saludos Alicia.
Le pido tenga la amabilidad de checar el correo que le envie Rodolfo Sinai Sanchez, donde abundamos sobre el tema.
Hasta pronto.
Vicente de San Miguel.

> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:08:18 -0700> From: alliecar@pacbell.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] ¿Habrá un impacto fuerte reciente en la genealogía de algunos pueblos alteños?> > Mucho muy interesante Vicente, en particular para los que nos encontramos por EU, que no pasa un dia sin que se encuentre uno con sus paisanos, sea el mesero del restaurante, el jardinero del vecino o el obrero en construccion. Ahora imaginate la animosidad que sienten los Estado Unidenses al encontrarse con nosotros a cada paso. Casi casi como se han de sentir los Jaliscienses al ver que la puresa de Los Altos ya no esta tan pura, sino mesclada de todos colores y paises.> > En mi humilde opinion, es lo que le da el savor a la vida, el roce que tenemos con los que nos enseñan algo de afuera, algo desconocido que nos hace pensar, que nos ayuda a apreciar las cualidades internas y externas.> > Por eso es que los que estamos en EU tenemos el gran deseo de investigar lo de nuestros ancestros. Le cuento a mis primos de Mexico lo de la genealogia y la respuesta de siempre es, "Porque te interesa eso".> Sera que uno no esta cerca de sus raices y siempre anelamos lo que no tenemos.> > Alicia Avelar Olmos,> Vecina en San Jose, Calif, originaria de Nochistlan, Zac.> > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: vicente de san miguel > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 9:32:43 PM> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] ¿Habrá un impacto fuerte reciente en la genealogía de algunos pueblos alteños?> > > Los jimadores de los Altos de Jalisco ahora son chiapanecos; los jaliscienses están en EU, dice el periódico La Jornada. Marzo 2008. (Fragmento del artículo).> El auge del tequila propició una “migración por relevos”: experto> La industria no tiene capacidad para retener, argumenta Fernando González, de la empresa 7 Leguas.> La preferencia por la bebida revierte el movimiento poblacional: Ramón González, del consejo regulador del Tequila> Si uno va a los Altos de Jalisco, en particular a Arandas, se encontrará con que los jimadores son chiapanecos, reveló Jorge Durand, investigador de la Universidad de Guadalajara.> “En los Altos de Jalisco, en Arandas, existe migración desde hace más de un siglo. Ahora la gente de Chiapas llega a trabajar a la cosecha del agave”, explicó a La Jornada el también miembro de la Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Estados Unidos.> Debido a que la gente de Jalisco prefiere irse a Estados Unidos que trabajar la tierra, se “importa la mano de obra. > Así que funciona como una especie de cadenita: los chiapanecos trabajan el campo jaliscience (y “ya no cultivan café en Chiapas”); los jalisciences, a su vez, trabajan en Estados Unidos (y no siembran sus tierras).> El agave ha funcionado en favor de los campesinos ausentistas: están fuera durante siete años, mientras la planta crece, y luego regresan a la cosecha. El auge del agave “ha provocado la descampesinación”, advierte el investigador. > FIN DEL FRAGMENTO.> Ahora digo yo.> La pregunta es, ¿habrá un impacto fuerte en la genealogía de algunos pueblos alteños? Sin ánimo de discriminar, recordemos que se trata de una inmigración eminentemente indígena. > Otras migraciones hacia el Estado de Jalisco ocurrió durante 1985, después del terremoto en el Distrito federal. En otros lugares han llegado nuevos pobladores provenientes de Veracruz, República del Salvador, Venezuela y Cuba.> Vicente de San Miguel> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org&gt; -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Por supuesto que hay un fuerte impacto en la genealogía (racial) y cultural y no sólo eso hay un cambio social y una crisis de identidad en las nuevas generaciones de pobladores. Las nuevas generaciones se saben extrangeros en la tierra en la que nacieron, el problema se magnifica cuando ésto sucede en las clases bajas, carentes de educación suficiente y escolaridad, y por lo mismo de oportunidades de desarrollo se refugiarán en toda clase de visios y en la delincuencia. Ese es el mayor problema, no el cambio en la fisonomía y las costumbres de nuestros paisanos que de por sí es traumatizante. Éste problema lo vivimos en Tejupilco Estado de México pero creo que es el mismo para muchas regiones de nuestro país.

La falta de industrias y escuelas provocó una migración hacia los Estados Unidos desde la década de los 30 en la población española de nuestros pueblos, al quedar abandonadas las tierras y el lento desarrollo de la región -que sin embargo fue muy superior al de los lugares de origen de los nuevos vecinos- nuevos pobladores indios de los Estados de Guerrero, Morelos y otros municipios indígenas del Estado de México llegan a establecerse de forma permanente, trayendo a sus familias y amigos y alterando el paisaje, los cultivos, la arquitectura tradicional, la cultura, y por supuesto la raza no sólo en general pues si hay una inevitable asimilación racial.

Pongo como ejemplo a Tejupilco porque es el caso que he estudiado durante años, Tejupilco era hasta 1985 un pequeño pueblo de 4 mil habitantes, agrícola y ganadero muy próspero y con un clima cálido rodeado de ríos caudalosos y limpios, su gente toda española, unas 50 familias que pueden rastrear sus antepasados por 200, 300 y más años hasta España por los 4 costados, gente amable y hospitalaria pero algo racista, Hoy cuenta con más de 50 mil habitantes y son en su mayoría indios de una o dos generaciones en Tejupilco, la delincuencia, el narco, la drogadicción, el crimen, la prostitución, alcoholismo etc, han llegado a Tejupilco para quedarse, es una pequeña ciudad totalmente desarraigada con un sentimiento de horfandad. Algo muy triste pero irremediable.
Lic. Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:08:18 -0700> From: alliecar@pacbell.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] ¿Habrá un impacto fuerte reciente en la genealogía de algunos pueblos alteños?> > Mucho muy interesante Vicente, en particular para los que nos encontramos por EU, que no pasa un dia sin que se encuentre uno con sus paisanos, sea el mesero del restaurante, el jardinero del vecino o el obrero en construccion. Ahora imaginate la animosidad que sienten los Estado Unidenses al encontrarse con nosotros a cada paso. Casi casi como se han de sentir los Jaliscienses al ver que la puresa de Los Altos ya no esta tan pura, sino mesclada de todos colores y paises.> > En mi humilde opinion, es lo que le da el savor a la vida, el roce que tenemos con los que nos enseñan algo de afuera, algo desconocido que nos hace pensar, que nos ayuda a apreciar las cualidades internas y externas.> > Por eso es que los que estamos en EU tenemos el gran deseo de investigar lo de nuestros ancestros. Le cuento a mis primos de Mexico lo de la genealogia y la respuesta de siempre es, "Porque te interesa eso".> Sera que uno no esta cerca de sus raices y siempre anelamos lo que no tenemos.> > Alicia Avelar Olmos,> Vecina en San Jose, Calif, originaria de Nochistlan, Zac.> > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: vicente de san miguel > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 9:32:43 PM> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] ¿Habrá un impacto fuerte reciente en la genealogía de algunos pueblos alteños?> > > Los jimadores de los Altos de Jalisco ahora son chiapanecos; los jaliscienses están en EU, dice el periódico La Jornada. Marzo 2008. (Fragmento del artículo).> El auge del tequila propició una “migración por relevos”: experto> La industria no tiene capacidad para retener, argumenta Fernando González, de la empresa 7 Leguas.> La preferencia por la bebida revierte el movimiento poblacional: Ramón González, del consejo regulador del Tequila> Si uno va a los Altos de Jalisco, en particular a Arandas, se encontrará con que los jimadores son chiapanecos, reveló Jorge Durand, investigador de la Universidad de Guadalajara.> “En los Altos de Jalisco, en Arandas, existe migración desde hace más de un siglo. Ahora la gente de Chiapas llega a trabajar a la cosecha del agave”, explicó a La Jornada el también miembro de la Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Estados Unidos.> Debido a que la gente de Jalisco prefiere irse a Estados Unidos que trabajar la tierra, se “importa la mano de obra. > Así que funciona como una especie de cadenita: los chiapanecos trabajan el campo jaliscience (y “ya no cultivan café en Chiapas”); los jalisciences, a su vez, trabajan en Estados Unidos (y no siembran sus tierras).> El agave ha funcionado en favor de los campesinos ausentistas: están fuera durante siete años, mientras la planta crece, y luego regresan a la cosecha. El auge del agave “ha provocado la descampesinación”, advierte el investigador. > FIN DEL FRAGMENTO.> Ahora digo yo.> La pregunta es, ¿habrá un impacto fuerte en la genealogía de algunos pueblos alteños? Sin ánimo de discriminar, recordemos que se trata de una inmigración eminentemente indígena. > Otras migraciones hacia el Estado de Jalisco ocurrió durante 1985, después del terremoto en el Distrito federal. En otros lugares han llegado nuevos pobladores provenientes de Veracruz, República del Salvador, Venezuela y Cuba.> Vicente de San Miguel> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org&gt; -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Su ejemplo es muy ilustrativo y su anális muy centrado e imparcial, másbien objetivo.
Cuando yo trabajaba en Mérida en los programas agropecuarios del Banco de Mexico, conocí a un Médico veterinario de Tejupilco, y efectivamente, me comentaba acerca de esta situación.
Tambien me voy a servir de esta información que nos comparte, para recordar que el criollismo de gente fisicamente bonita, no solo se da en Los Altos que alguien quiso definir como el único lunar blanco en la geografia india y mestiza de Mexico. Hay que visitar poblaciones refundidas de la sierra de Durango, Curimeo y Zamora Michoacan. Por cierto ,yo he visto por la región de Tetela del volcán, Morelos unas mujeres gueras chapeteadas hermosísimas, pero no estoy seguro que sea el caso.
Es cierto cuando uno está lejos del terruño, es cuando más se aprecia y se añora.
Enhorabuena por su análisis.
Vicente de San Miguel.
PD. Hablando de añoranzas, me gustaría que este sitio de nuestros ranchos fuera musicalizada, para imprimirle más vida y vigor.

> From: bensinai@hotmail.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:36:54 +0000> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] RE: ¿Habrá un impacto fuerte reciente en la genealogía de algunos pueblos alteños> > > Por supuesto que hay un fuerte impacto en la genealogía (racial) y cultural y no sólo eso hay un cambio social y una crisis de identidad en las nuevas generaciones de pobladores. Las nuevas generaciones se saben extrangeros en la tierra en la que nacieron, el problema se magnifica cuando ésto sucede en las clases bajas, carentes de educación suficiente y escolaridad, y por lo mismo de oportunidades de desarrollo se refugiarán en toda clase de visios y en la delincuencia. Ese es el mayor problema, no el cambio en la fisonomía y las costumbres de nuestros paisanos que de por sí es traumatizante. Éste problema lo vivimos en Tejupilco Estado de México pero creo que es el mismo para muchas regiones de nuestro país. > > La falta de industrias y escuelas provocó una migración hacia los Estados Unidos desde la década de los 30 en la población española de nuestros pueblos, al quedar abandonadas las tierras y el lento desarrollo de la región -que sin embargo fue muy superior al de los lugares de origen de los nuevos vecinos- nuevos pobladores indios de los Estados de Guerrero, Morelos y otros municipios indígenas del Estado de México llegan a establecerse de forma permanente, trayendo a sus familias y amigos y alterando el paisaje, los cultivos, la arquitectura tradicional, la cultura, y por supuesto la raza no sólo en general pues si hay una inevitable asimilación racial. > > Pongo como ejemplo a Tejupilco porque es el caso que he estudiado durante años, Tejupilco era hasta 1985 un pequeño pueblo de 4 mil habitantes, agrícola y ganadero muy próspero y con un clima cálido rodeado de ríos caudalosos y limpios, su gente toda española, unas 50 familias que pueden rastrear sus antepasados por 200, 300 y más años hasta España por los 4 costados, gente amable y hospitalaria pero algo racista, Hoy cuenta con más de 50 mil habitantes y son en su mayoría indios de una o dos generaciones en Tejupilco, la delincuencia, el narco, la drogadicción, el crimen, la prostitución, alcoholismo etc, han llegado a Tejupilco para quedarse, es una pequeña ciudad totalmente desarraigada con un sentimiento de horfandad. Algo muy triste pero irremediable.> Lic. Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez> > Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:08:18 -0700> From: alliecar@pacbell.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] ¿Habrá un impacto fuerte reciente en la genealogía de algunos pueblos alteños?> > Mucho muy interesante Vicente, en particular para los que nos encontramos por EU, que no pasa un dia sin que se encuentre uno con sus paisanos, sea el mesero del restaurante, el jardinero del vecino o el obrero en construccion. Ahora imaginate la animosidad que sienten los Estado Unidenses al encontrarse con nosotros a cada paso. Casi casi como se han de sentir los Jaliscienses al ver que la puresa de Los Altos ya no esta tan pura, sino mesclada de todos colores y paises.> > En mi humilde opinion, es lo que le da el savor a la vida, el roce que tenemos con los que nos enseñan algo de afuera, algo desconocido que nos hace pensar, que nos ayuda a apreciar las cualidades internas y externas.> > Por eso es que los que estamos en EU tenemos el gran deseo de investigar lo de nuestros ancestros. Le cuento a mis primos de Mexico lo de la genealogia y la respuesta de siempre es, "Porque te interesa eso".> Sera que uno no esta cerca de sus raices y siempre anelamos lo que no tenemos.> > Alicia Avelar Olmos,> Vecina en San Jose, Calif, originaria de Nochistlan, Zac.> > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: vicente de san miguel > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 9:32:43 PM> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] ¿Habrá un impacto fuerte reciente en la genealogía de algunos pueblos alteños?> > > Los jimadores de los Altos de Jalisco ahora son chiapanecos; los jaliscienses están en EU, dice el periódico La Jornada. Marzo 2008. (Fragmento del artículo).> El auge del tequila propició una “migración por relevos”: experto> La industria no tiene capacidad para retener, argumenta Fernando González, de la empresa 7 Leguas.> La preferencia por la bebida revierte el movimiento poblacional: Ramón González, del consejo regulador del Tequila> Si uno va a los Altos de Jalisco, en particular a Arandas, se encontrará con que los jimadores son chiapanecos, reveló Jorge Durand, investigador de la Universidad de Guadalajara.> “En los Altos de Jalisco, en Arandas, existe migración desde hace más de un siglo. Ahora la gente de Chiapas llega a trabajar a la cosecha del agave”, explicó a La Jornada el también miembro de la Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Estados Unidos.> Debido a que la gente de Jalisco prefiere irse a Estados Unidos que trabajar la tierra, se “importa la mano de obra. > Así que funciona como una especie de cadenita: los chiapanecos trabajan el campo jaliscience (y “ya no cultivan café en Chiapas”); los jalisciences, a su vez, trabajan en Estados Unidos (y no siembran sus tierras).> El agave ha funcionado en favor de los campesinos ausentistas: están fuera durante siete años, mientras la planta crece, y luego regresan a la cosecha. El auge del agave “ha provocado la descampesinación”, advierte el investigador. > FIN DEL FRAGMENTO.> Ahora digo yo.> La pregunta es, ¿habrá un impacto fuerte en la genealogía de algunos pueblos alteños? Sin ánimo de discriminar, recordemos que se trata de una inmigración eminentemente indígena. > Otras migraciones hacia el Estado de Jalisco ocurrió durante 1985, después del terremoto en el Distrito federal. En otros lugares han llegado nuevos pobladores provenientes de Veracruz, República del Salvador, Venezuela y Cuba.> Vicente de San Miguel> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org&gt; -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org&gt; _________________________________________________________________> Los mejores conciertos en exclusiva por MSN in concert> http://video.msn.com/?mkt=es-mx&gt; -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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