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one more: All these records can be found on the Familysearch online program.marriage information recorded 14 Aug 1792 in Jerez, Zac
Jose Alvino Ramirez, Mestizo from Santa Gertrudis
Widower of Maria de la Crus Garcia for 10 years buried in Fresnillo
With: Maria Sotera/Sotelo Mercado, Espanola from La Noria
Widow of Manuel de Avila for 5 years buried in Jerez
Witness: Jose Antonio Garcia, Mulato Libre age 58 from La Noria
Witness: Alejandro Robalcalva, Indio age 40 from Susticacan
Witness: Tadeo Solis, Mulato Esclavo age 48 in Jerez
source: 0439898 Jerez marriage information record
.

________________________________
From: "josemartinez2420@hotmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:29 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dimas / De la Rosa Family????

Hi, I am new here and I am trying to find more information on my ancestry and I am trying to get a sense as to where my ancestors are from since my family has no clue as to where we come from.  I have been doing a lot of research for almost 9 months now and have been able to find a lot of interesting stuff that has surprised my whole family however I can not find more information about a specific family.  I am stuck on my 2nd-great grandmother's parents and their family.  Her name was Maria Patrocinio? or Patrocinia? Dimas born on the 17th of September of 1883 and baptized on the 1st of October 1883.  She had a daughter who is my great grandmother named Vicenta Camarena with a man whose name I still don't know besides his last name (Camarena). Maria Patrocinio? or Patrocinia? Dimas moved to the United States and lived in Silver City New Mexico where she re-married to a man named Marcos Acevedo. She was the daughter of Santiago Dimas and Maria De la
Rosa.  Santiago's parents w
ere Macedonio? or Celedonio? Dimas and Petra Ramirez.  Maria De la Rosa (whom which I am more interested in) was the daughter of Juan De la Rosa? or just Rosa? and Victoria De Abila.  So far that is all I know.  I am more interested in Maria De la Rosa and her parents since I want to find my mothers direct maternal lineage.  Thank You to anyone who took the time to read my message and decided to help :)

almost forgot to send you this record:
 baptism 14 July 1840 in Jerez, Zac
Jose Cirilo born in Chula 4 days old 7pm
parents: Macedonio Dias and Petra Ramires
pat grn: Victor Dimas and Josefa Rosales
mat grn: Albino Ramires and Sotera Mercado
godparent: maternal grandmother
source: 0439851 Jerez baptism
.
 
 

________________________________
From: "josemartinez2420@hotmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:29 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dimas / De la Rosa Family????

Hi, I am new here and I am trying to find more information on my ancestry and I am trying to get a sense as to where my ancestors are from since my family has no clue as to where we come from.  I have been doing a lot of research for almost 9 months now and have been able to find a lot of interesting stuff that has surprised my whole family however I can not find more information about a specific family.  I am stuck on my 2nd-great grandmother's parents and their family.  Her name was Maria Patrocinio? or Patrocinia? Dimas born on the 17th of September of 1883 and baptized on the 1st of October 1883.  She had a daughter who is my great grandmother named Vicenta Camarena with a man whose name I still don't know besides his last name (Camarena). Maria Patrocinio? or Patrocinia? Dimas moved to the United States and lived in Silver City New Mexico where she re-married to a man named Marcos Acevedo. She was the daughter of Santiago Dimas and Maria De la
Rosa.  Santiago's parents w
ere Macedonio? or Celedonio? Dimas and Petra Ramirez.  Maria De la Rosa (whom which I am more interested in) was the daughter of Juan De la Rosa? or just Rosa? and Victoria De Abila.  So far that is all I know.  I am more interested in Maria De la Rosa and her parents since I want to find my mothers direct maternal lineage.  Thank You to anyone who took the time to read my message and decided to help :)

Hi, I don't think I have more than you do but not sure you have this record, I hope it helps some
Linda in Boulder City, Nv
.
marriage information recorded 19 April 1862 in Jerez, Zac
Santiago Dimas from Cienega age 18
Parents: Macedonio Dimas deceased and Petra Ramirez
With: Leocadia de la Rosa from Cienega age 15
Parents: Juan de la Rosa and Victoria de Avila both living
No blood ties
Wit: Tomas Collaso from Cienega married age 79 jornalero
Wit: Dionicio Cardona from Cienega married age 50 labrador
Wit: Quirino Ramos from Cienega widower age 47 labrador
Posted 20, 27 April and 4 May 1862
source: marriage information 0439908
. 

________________________________
From: "josemartinez2420@hotmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 7:29 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dimas / De la Rosa Family????

Hi, I am new here and I am trying to find more information on my ancestry and I am trying to get a sense as to where my ancestors are from since my family has no clue as to where we come from.  I have been doing a lot of research for almost 9 months now and have been able to find a lot of interesting stuff that has surprised my whole family however I can not find more information about a specific family.  I am stuck on my 2nd-great grandmother's parents and their family.  Her name was Maria Patrocinio? or Patrocinia? Dimas born on the 17th of September of 1883 and baptized on the 1st of October 1883.  She had a daughter who is my great grandmother named Vicenta Camarena with a man whose name I still don't know besides his last name (Camarena). Maria Patrocinio? or Patrocinia? Dimas moved to the United States and lived in Silver City New Mexico where she re-married to a man named Marcos Acevedo. She was the daughter of Santiago Dimas and Maria De la
Rosa.  Santiago's parents w
ere Macedonio? or Celedonio? Dimas and Petra Ramirez.  Maria De la Rosa (whom which I am more interested in) was the daughter of Juan De la Rosa? or just Rosa? and Victoria De Abila.  So far that is all I know.  I am more interested in Maria De la Rosa and her parents since I want to find my mothers direct maternal lineage.  Thank You to anyone who took the time to read my message and decided to help :)

So where was Maria de la Rosa born? do you have the online record? If so
supply the url. I saw some children born to a Juan and Victoria in Jerez
around the 1850's but without a location it is difficult to narrow down the
search. Location is one of your best clues in genealogy.

Joseph

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Joseph Puentes
Clean@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com

you probably already have the following:

Petra Dimas Rosa
Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950
christening
08 May 1869
EL SAGRARIO OR SANTO DOMINGO,ZACATECAS,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
parentSantiago Dimas, Leocadia De La Rosa
=========================================
Martina Dimas Rosa
Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950
christening
23 Nov 1873
JEREZ,JEREZ DE GARCIA SALINAS,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
parentSantiago Dimas, Leocadia Dela Rosa
=========================================
Refugia Dimas Rosa
Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950
birth
08 May 1871
christening
15 May 1871
JEREZ,JEREZ DE GARCIA SALINAS,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
Santiago Dimas, Maria De La Rosa

> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-
> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
josemartinez2420@hotmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 10:30 PM
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Dimas / De la Rosa Family????
>
> Hi, I am new here and I am trying to find more information on my ancestry
and I am trying
> to get a sense as to where my ancestors are from since my family has no
clue as to where
> we come from. I have been doing a lot of research for almost 9 months now
and have been
> able to find a lot of interesting stuff that has surprised my whole family
however I can not
> find more information about a specific family. I am stuck on my 2nd-great
grandmother's
> parents and their family. Her name was Maria Patrocinio? or Patrocinia?
Dimas born on
> the 17th of September of 1883 and baptized on the 1st of October 1883.
She had a
> daughter who is my great grandmother named Vicenta Camarena with a man
whose name I
> still don't know besides his last name (Camarena). Maria Patrocinio? or
Patrocinia? Dimas
> moved to the United States and lived in Silver City New Mexico where she
re-married to a
> man named Marcos Acevedo. She was the daughter of Santiago Dimas and Maria
De la
> Rosa. Santiago's parents w ere Macedonio? or Celedonio? Dimas and Petra
Ramirez.
> Maria De la Rosa (whom which I am more interested in) was the daughter of
Juan De la
> Rosa? or just Rosa? and Victoria De Abila. So far that is all I know. I
am more interested
> in Maria De la Rosa and her parents since I want to find my mothers direct
maternal
> lineage. Thank You to anyone who took the time to read my message and
decided to help
> :)

I have an ancestor from there named Bernardo de Marungo, son of Agustin de Marungo and Gertrudis Ruiz de Esparza. If any of these surnames turn up, please let me know.

could you see if you can find any records with juan del torre and clara chavez please. see if you could find entries for anyone with the last name del real, or quezada also, please xD.

Rudy,

Hello, again, my name is Michael Castro and I just sent an e-mail after seeing your post in a search I did (I punched in 'Huitzila')- Little did I know you actually recently posted again (yesterday!)... I'm so sorry to hear about your computer earlier this summer, that must've been horrible... I just wanted to make sure you don't feel rushed in any way by my request. Thank you for the kind offer, on behalf of us all.

Michael D. Castro

Hello Rudy, I was looking at some old messages and found yours. What a surprise to find you here. Perhaps you don't remember me, but years ago, we found each other at a genealogy forum and found out that we are related through our Curiel family from Atenguillo. In fact, you sent me a scan of my second greatgrandparents' marriage Ygnacio Curiel and Maria de Jesus Pena on January 26 1894. I appreciate that help, since I did not have that info before you provided it to me. I emailed you back, but I never heard from you again. After a while, I discontinued the email address that I was using to communicate. It sure feels good to find another primo here at Nuestros Ranchos.
 
However, you never mentioned how we are related and who our common ancestor was. I checked your family tree on the database and it does not contain that info.

Now that I know Rodolfo Flores is on nuestrosranchos, I can proudly say that I have FOUR primos on the website: Rodolfo Flores, through our Curiel line, Francisco Sevilla and Alessandro Vitela, through our Apodaca line, and Angel Cervantes, through our Cervantes line, even though we still haven't found our common ancestor but I have a strong belief he's there somewhere.
 
Anyways, Rodolfo, I hope you reply to this message and let me know how you are doing.
 
Saludos.
 
Steve in NC
 
PS. Thank you Arturo and Joseph, God bless you.

--- On Fri, 7/10/09, Rodolfo Flores wrote:

From: Rodolfo Flores
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Availability of Family History Films
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 12:49 AM

Hello Family and Friends -

I have access to the following films for researching.  They are kept at my local Family History Center in San Diego, CA.

1.    Film # 2073027 - Registros Civiles Del Municipio De San Marcos, Jalisco, Mexico
2.    Film # 1156270 - Parish Records, Atenguillo, Jalisco, Mexivo (Baptisms)
3.    Film # 1156275 - Parish Records, Atenguillo, Jalisco, Mexico (Marriages)
4.    Film # 1507502 - 1930 Census - Atenguillo, Jalisco, Mexico
5.    Film # 1520532 - 1930 Census - Estanzuela, Zacatecas, Mexico
6.    Film # 2177654 - Registros Civeles Del Municipio De Garcia De La Cadena, Zacatecas, Mexico (Births - 1869 - 2000)
7.    Film # 2177655 - Registros Civeles Del Municipio De Garcia De La Cadena, Zacatecas, Mexico (Marriages - 1869 - 2000) 
8.    Film # 2177575 - Nacimientos De Oficialia Huitzila 

I will be more than happy to look through these records for you, however everything is listed in order of dates.  I can provide you with pertinent information, however I can not make copies of the documents due to the Center's copy printer being broken at this time.

My relatives are as follows:  FLORES, LARIOS, SALCEDO & DUENAS.

Rudy Flores 

Hi Angel,

Coincidentally i have a very similar name in my tree. Feel free to review my tree and please let me know if you think there is a connection.

momax.tribalpages.com

Saludos,

Victor L.

As far as I know there were not Apaches as far south as Zacatecas. All of the ethnographic literature points to the relevant ethnic groups being:
- Zacatecas (after whom the state was named)
- Guachichiles (who were largely extinguished in the Chichimec wars and/or are current day Huicholes)
- Caxcanes (in Southern Zacatecas)

As far as trying to guess where a lineage came from solely based on a surname, I would suggest you not make any conclusions based on solely a surname. Often times surnames were "assigned" to slaves or indigenous people (e.g. lots of indigenous people around Jerez for example took the name Caldera in honor of Miguel Caldera whom they admired) and names such as de la Cruz were very commonly assigned to indigenous people by the clergy baptizing them.

Genealogy requires researching generation by generation, linking one generation to the next through concrete documentation. What are the approximate birth or marriage dates for Felicitas Navarro and Mariana de la Cruz?

PS In Iberian tradition countries, women don't change their names so there is no difference between a maiden and married name.

Joseph like you I wanted to know abt the years the family came to the states, 1916, and what they were told abt the old country.  My Dad was one of 8 and my Mother was one of 8.  I called a family meeting for each side and recorded what they had to say and was surprised how each one remembered things so differently. The memories were different because thier ages were different. I still have the recordings even though most of them are now deceased. I'm so grateful to genealogy for giving my and my decedents a chance to know where and what we came from.
Linda Castanon-Long.. (Zacatecas and Jalisco)
 

________________________________
From: "makas@nc.rr.com"
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 9:56 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Hopes and Dreams and Loved Ones: Oral History

The Importance of Oral History --- verified as much as possible by genealogical research

I want to know more I want to know about the lives of relatives, about their hopes, dreams and their loved ones. I want to know about the work they did and their lives as children and sweethearts and how they met and married their spouses.

Get your older relatives just talking about the old days and you'll be surprised how much they know, just let them go and they will give you all kinds of details.
So set aside the documents and interview your relatives.

I looked at the marriage record for Antonio Rodarte and Theresa Caldera, his Mothers name is listed as Ysavel Davila both deceased
It also lists Theresa Si Caldera's parents as Juan Caldera deceased and Faviana Damiana as her Mother. There is a Juan Rodarte married to a Fabiana Damiana Ruiz Gutierrez who appear to be Theresa's parents. I like you have her parents listed in my records as Nicolas Caldera and Leonor Rodarte. If this is true then Nicolas and Leonor are not her parents and that would explain no dispensation. I noticed most Si are actually Sid and there are many Cid Caldera.

You also said you found a marriage information record for 1736.. I could not find it.

Linda Castanon-Long

i'm noy sure if those two are first cousins or not, but my ancestors narsisco diaz romero and his wife petra quezada were second cousins but i found no dispensations for them. so what my guess is that if that couple is realted by blood, for some reason, a dispensation was either not made, got lost through the 'sands of time' , hasn't been uploaded to familysearch. or if it is on familysearch, the documents containing that record hasn't been indexed yet by guadalajara dispensas.

In my haste to establish common ancestry with "fellow," NR members
I thought posting the names that appeared on the FF Listing on NR would save time and effort...

I was under the impression that postings to NR were limited to only NR members...apparently that is not the case based on what you noted.

How would one go about "sharing," privately via email? Not all NR members are known to one another, or whether or not they had participated in the FF testing process...

Would it be possible to set up an area on NR that is only accessible to registered NR members that could be used to post test results?

Pat Silva Corbera

----- Original Message -----
From: "Raquel Ruiz"
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 12:08:35 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Finder Matches

I would like to suggest that we not post lists of our FF matches via
Nuestros Ranchos but share them privately via email instead. Posting on NR
puts the lists on the internet. I believe customers of FF give permission
for FTDNA to share their names with their matches but may not be expecting
them to be shared with the whole world via the internet. I hope all of you
agree.

Raquel Ruiz

Hello Rancheros... I just wanted to let you know that I have been working at resolving the missing posts issue raised by a number of members. Good news is we have not lost any posts.

I think the issue is now resolved. It appears to be the same issue that caused a similar problem a year back, the permissions to posts getting corrupted.

I have now rebuilt the permissions for all posts so please let me know if there are still posts you expect to see that are not visible.

Teodoro Alva Terrones doesn't line up with your great grandfather saying
that his mother's surname was González. What does line up is that the
mother of Teodoro Alva Terrones has relatives whose baptisms show them to
be indios. There weren't any Mayas in Jalisco but your great grandfather
likely meant Mexican Indians.

Teodoro Alva Terrones was the great grandson of Juan José de Alba and
Antonia Gertrudis de Esparza y Fuentes. Juan José de Alba was an hijo
natural of Clara de Alba. Therefore the paternal surname of Juan José de
Alba is not known.

Jose Teodoro Alba Alba baptized 2 Apr 1854 doesn't line up with any of the
maternal surnames being González nor does it line up with the mother being
Indian nor does it line up with the age of your great grandfather. All four
of the grandparents of Jose Teodoro Alba were documented as españoles
meaning Jose Teodoro Alba Alba they didn't have recent ancestors that were
indios.

No matter what, if you don't have the first and last name of both of the
parents of your great grandfather there is no way to know for sure who his
parents were. There are many baptisms that are missing from the records.
You could ask a relative that descends through the paternal line to get a
37 marker Y-DNA test. The two of you could also get a Family Finder test.
However, there are no guarantees that you would find anything definitive.
For those tests to work to your advantage other people with documented
trees would have had to have taken the tests. However, it does seem to be
one of the few options that you have left to try.

Regards,
Armando

On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Steve Compton wrote:

> I'm trying to find more information about the family of my great
> grandfather. His name was Teodoro Alba. Most of the information we have
> about his origins come from stories passed down from him to his children,
> so
> they should be regarded as more legend than fact. This includes that he was
> born in or near Guadalajara around 1856 or 1857. His father, whose surname
> was Alba, had stowed away on a ship from Spain to Mexico. His mother's
> surname was Gonzales and she was of Mayan descent. He had several siblings,
> but we don't know their names. At some point the father left and returned
> to
> Spain. Teodoro joined the Mexican army while still a teenager, deserted and
> crossed into Texas sometime between 1875 and 1880. There he became an
> accomplished cowboy. He gradually adapted the American spelling of Alby.
>
>
>
> He married Mary Ellen Marks in Bonham, Texas on October 8, 1891. They had 7
> children, 4 of whom lived. His wife Mary Ellen died shortly after 1910.
> Around 1920, he and his children settled in Bixby, Oklahoma where they came
> to own several businesses. He was affectionately known to everyone in this
> small town as "Dad" Alby. His citizenship paper in 1938 describes him as 81
> years of age; a white male of medium complexion; blue eyes; grey hair; five
> feet, three inches in height and widowed. He died in Bixby on December 18,
> 1943.
>
>
>
> Some in the family believe was actually born in San Juan de los Lagos. I
> have found a birth record for a Teodoro Alva Terrones born on April 2, 1857
> in that location.
>
>
>
> Any leads would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> scompton
>
>
>

Not the same year or mother's surname but same date and month in San Juan:

name: Jose Teodoro Alba Alba
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 02 Apr 1854
baptism/christening place: SAN JUAN DE LOS LAGOS,JALISCO,MEXICO
father's name: Gabino Alba
mother's name: Ynes Alba
indexing project (batch) number: C60340-2
system origin: Mexico-ODM
source film number: 220661
reference number:
Citing this Record
"Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950," index, FamilySearch
(https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J9Y9-LPX : accessed 14 Jan 2013),
Jose Teodoro Alba Alba, 02 Apr 1854; citing SAN JUAN DE LOS
LAGOS,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 220661.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-
> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Steve Compton
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:41 PM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Alba family
>
> I'm trying to find more information about the family of my great
grandfather. His name
> was Teodoro Alba. Most of the information we have about his origins come
from stories
> passed down from him to his children, so they should be regarded as more
legend than
> fact. This includes that he was born in or near Guadalajara around 1856 or
1857. His
> father, whose surname was Alba, had stowed away on a ship from Spain to
Mexico. His
> mother's surname was Gonzales and she was of Mayan descent. He had several
siblings,
> but we don't know their names. At some point the father left and returned
to Spain.
> Teodoro joined the Mexican army while still a teenager, deserted and
crossed into Texas
> sometime between 1875 and 1880. There he became an accomplished cowboy. He
> gradually adapted the American spelling of Alby.
>
>
>
> He married Mary Ellen Marks in Bonham, Texas on October 8, 1891. They had
7 children,
> 4 of whom lived. His wife Mary Ellen died shortly after 1910.
> Around 1920, he and his children settled in Bixby, Oklahoma where they
came to own
> several businesses. He was affectionately known to everyone in this small
town as "Dad"
> Alby. His citizenship paper in 1938 describes him as 81 years of age; a
white male of
> medium complexion; blue eyes; grey hair; five feet, three inches in height
and widowed.
> He died in Bixby on December 18, 1943.
>
>
>
> Some in the family believe was actually born in San Juan de los Lagos. I
have found a
> birth record for a Teodoro Alva Terrones born on April 2, 1857 in that
location.
>
>
>
> Any leads would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> scompton

Armando,

How many "suggested relationship," names appeared on your FamilyFinder (autosomal) print out?

If you did not contact everyone on your FF listing, what method did you use in deciding who to contact first?

You noted that FTDNA went back 10 generations, are you saying that the common ancestor that you shared with the three individuals that you mentioned wasn't established until that 10th generation linking?

If so, that was a remarkable find for all of you...most researchers are lucky to have traced their ancestry back 5 generations.

I'm now thinking that this FF autosomal testing is only helpful in establishing relationship for individuals that have a paper trail of at least 5 generations or that have known family members tested.

A couple of the 38 individuals that appeared on my husband's FF autosomal listing have no idea nor have done research because of just not knowing where their ancestors actually came from...it's for this reason that I think that the FF autosomal test in many cases leads to frustration and false hope of locating a much need clue to their ancestors.

I'm opened to suggestions and comments on how to change my current thinking about FamilyFinder autosomal testing...

Is it a fair conclusion to say that a suggested area of origin/region and or population % are solely based on ones DNA comparison to the testing lab's database for all individuals tested by a given lab?

Thank you,
Pat Silva Corbera

----- Original Message -----
From: "Armando"
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 5:05:20 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] FamilyTreeDNA Family Finder

I never thought Family Finder was going to be able to go back 10
generations or so. I have found three different people through Family
Finder with whom I share a different ancestor about 10 generations back.
WIth one person I share ancestors on the Macias Valadez and Martín del
Campo lines. With another person I share ancestors on the
Cervantes-Villaseñor and Macias Valadez lines. With the third person we
share Diego de Burgos Villaseñor y Tovar as an ancestor. There are a couple
more that if I had their great-grandparents info I would most likely be
able to find our common ancestor. If enough people did this then we could
triangulate and figure out which markers are for which ancestor and at the
same time some missing branches could be found for some people. I recommend
everyone, even siblings, parents, and aunts/uncles to take this test and to
look closely at their matches no matter how distant the match seems to be.

Nunca pensé que pudiera encontrar parientes separados por 10 generaciones o
mas usando Family Finder. He encontrado tres parientes por medio de Family
Finder con quienes tenemos un ancestro en común hace 10 generaciones, mas o
menos. Con una persona coincidimos con ancestros por las lineas Macias
Valadez y Martín del Campo. Con otra persona coincidimos con ancestros del
apellido Cervantes-Villaseñor y otros del apellido Macias Valadez. Con otra
persona coincidimos con Diego de Burgos Villaseñor y Tovar como ancestro.
Si tuviera los bisabuelos de muchas otras personas seguramente podría
encontrar el ancestro que tenemos en común. Recomiendo que todos los
miembros (sus hermanos, padres, y tíos también) hagan este análisis de ADN
para completar lineas y para ayudar a otros que no han podido completar sus
lineas.

https://www.familytreedna.com/order-now.aspx?ty=1334&Group=Mexico-DNA&c…

Saludos
Armando

Sanchez-Castellanos

Armando, I think family finder go back more than 10 generations, for example in my case I am 5% Siberian (tribe Yakut) my mtDNA is haplogroup A and that sound that the native americans of my mother side came from that part thousands of years ago. I do not have any relative in the last 10 generations of Siberia.

Saludos.

Jose Ignacio Anaya Gomez Hola! Sr,Tomas Alejandro con todo respeto le doy el siguiente dato, mi cuarta abuela Maria Francisca de la Brambila Diaz de Santa Ana nacio en Tecolotlan Jalisco en 15 de septiembre de 1758 su Mama Y abuelo tambien en Tecolotlan asi que? creo que este apellido esta presente en Jalisco por lo menos desde 1650 atte Ignacio Anaya Gomez

I found this interesting website regarding DNA:

HYPERLINK "http://www.isogg.org/famousdna.htm"
\nhttp://www.isogg.org/famousdna.htm

Josie in San Antonio, TX

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Today I found the verification that R-Z198 in on the same level as L176.2

"*on Geno 2.0....Z198 is also available and is at the same level as L176.2*"

http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/R1b-P312-Project/message/5141

In the Y-Haplogroup R SRY2627+ and L176.2+ Project everyone one that has
tested positive for* *L176.2 has also tested positive for Z198.

Z198 and L176.2 are descendants of DF27 which is a descendant of P312 which
is a descendant of M269 (R1b1a2)

If more members of NR did Deep Clade testing we would be able to find more
members with these R1b subclades .

Saludos
Armando

Hi Alice,

Go to this website and type in your brother's results:

http://www.hprg.com/hapest5/hapest5b/hapest5.htm

It will only give you the base of his halpogroup.

I'm almost certain FTD DNA has an R1b group, I'm not sure about Nat Geo
Geno 2, but it's worth investigating. I joined my halpogroup group via
FTDNA and this group sent me my complete halpo group designation. If you
can join the R1b group via FTDNA I would do that as I'm sure it would have
more resources.

Juan

On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Alice Blake wrote:

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> Dear Group,
> My brother recently tested with Nat Geo Geno 2 and his paternal branch is
> R-Z198. I've uploaded the info to FTDNA and it displayed R1b11a2a1a
> instead of R-Z198. Where can I find a site that
> gives equivilants, allowing me to research on other sites using either of
> these nomenclatures. I've googled R-Z198 and there appears to be a lot of
> opinions, controversy, and uncertainty. Thank you for any help. Alice