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David Serna

What is the record information. the date ? a copy of the link ? what image number ?

I have been recording image numbers on all my entries for the past year when I started my genealogy research. I have found it extremely useful whenever I needed to go back to locate and review a record. Downloading and or printing all these records just seems like an arduous task. There have been many times that I have found a record that was not in correct chronological order. Sometimes the parish records alternate dates between the main church and an auxiliary location. And of course sometimes the date recorded is inaccurate (for example Jan 2013 is recorded as Jan 2012).
Well in fact the Jalisco parish records I research were updated on Feb 25. To my surprise I noticed that my entries for marriages for Juchitlan 1860-1878 records no longer point to the correct image! Upon further inspection I discovered that they added about 50-80 images to this particular collection, which makes absolutely no sense since the new images added were for marriages from 1922. I do not yet know if any other collection records now have new image numbers. Now I am torn between updating the image numbers or just deleting them altogether. Either way, it will be a lot of work since I have almost 3,000 people in my tree. How frustrating!
Juan J

David

I would not go so far as to say this is a bad idea, but you need to know the issues with such a citation.

The FHL is simply a repository of a copy of these records. The film number, image number are simply from their system of cataloging and presenting the record. The url of the source is simply the current electronic repository, which (1) may change as systems are updated or (2) could simply go away if the system becomes unfunded or unsupported (for the FHL this is highly unlikely).

I think the proper citation for the record (for church or civil records) should be:
author (Catholic Church or Civil Authorities)
Parish (for church only) and location
record type (baptisms, marriages, etc)
volume number or year(s) covered
page or folio number (if used)
record number if used

Along with this information, you should note the repository (FHL), their film and image number, as well as the date you extracted the information.

Family Search does provide some guidance on citing records; here are a couple of examples. Personally, I think their citations are incomplete: if you were look at the 1930 census for the Jose Lara record from a different source, how would you find this record?

From the 1930 Mexico National Census

"México, censo nacional, 1930," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M2H9-LC7 : accessed 02 Mar 2013), José Lara in entry for Luz Lara, 1930.

From the indexed (and image linked) church records

"México, Distrito Federal, registros parroquiales y diocesanos, 1514-1970," index and images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F32V-2DK : accessed 02 Mar 2013), Alonso García and Matilde Pontones, 1924.

I think that the main thing to keep in mind is that the FHL is simply a repository of a copy of these records, and not the author.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

se necesita la liga de el registro de defunción para saber de quién se trata saludos

I found this page that my help you in your search.
https://familyhistory.byu.edu/Downloads/Spanish_Extraction_Guide/Defaul…

Monica Torres-Rice

Hello Jose, my family was also from San Diego de Alejandria, Jalisco. My paternal great-grandmother was Maria Refugia Camarena Ayala, b. 1861 and married my great-grandfather, Guadalupe Gutierrez, b. 1853. I went on the GeneaNet website and found the genealogy chart for my great-grandmother---click on website below to see the chart and see if we have "parentisco."
http://gw5.geneanet.org/sanchiz?lang=en;p=maria+refugia;n=camarena=ayala

Hope this helps.

Ann Marie Gutierrez

Katy--

Which trees are you talking about? I've never seen anything that connected them as uncle and niece. I think I found one dispensa that mentioned her father's name as Juan Carrillo.

Rosalinda

What happens is that someone hacks into a members email account and then
once they are in they can send out messages to anyone in their address book.
This is what appears to have happened. Once I saw the message I immediately
suspended Raul Macias account and will reinstate in only after he replies to
me assuring me that he has changed his password and is confident that this
will not happen again.

Sorry but there is nothing that can be done to prevent this from
occasionally happening. If someone has any ideas please send them to me
directly so we can consider this: joseph@nuestrosranchos.org

Joseph

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Joseph Puentes
Clean@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com

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It's spam that got through!

Alicia

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Joseph  What is this??????

In a message dated 2/28/2013 5:38:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
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candy send me a pic of a sexually expicit use of your favorite  toy?

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>I have a Macos Diaz  married to a Cipriana Godina (see:
>http://tinyurl.com/c97mo2f) and in  that record it says there is a
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>I was first looking in the  Informacion Matrimonial and couldn't find
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>My question is I know it is probably in the Guadalajara  Dispensas but
>wouldn't there be information in the Informacion  Matrimonial films as
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Can you provide links to the images to see if I can find something?

Armando

are you talking abt box cars or homes owned by the railroad?
I know when my grandparents came in 1916 from Jerez, Zac they went to Idaho for the railroad and their first child died there and another was born there.. it was just a box car, hot in the summer and cold in the winter but all the Mexican workers lived in them.
Linda Castanon-Long
Boulder City, Nv

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From: Raquel Ruiz
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2013 12:44 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Santa Fe RR Section Houses

Do any of you have parents or grandparents raised in the section houses of
the Santa Fe RR during the 1920s to 1950s in San Bernardino or Riverside
Counties?  These would have included  San Bernardino (4th St), Verdemont,
Keenbrook, Cajon, Summit, Hesperia, Oro Grande, Hodge, Barstow, Redlands,
Menifee, Box Springs, Riverside (not an exhaustive list).  Spurred by a
reference to the section workers in the latest Somos Primos, I've decided
to use the family info I've already collected, supplement it, and write at
least one article to document this short-lived way of life.  My parents
grew up in the section houses and most of my male relatives for two
generations worked at some time for the Santa Fe.  There is little to
nothing written about life in the section houses, and photos are rare.
Unfortunately,  most families were too poor to own a camera and those that
did were not thinking of documenting their housing.

If you have any stories or photos to share, please email me.  Thanks so
much.

Raquel Ruiz
ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com

Is it one person?

If so that would be Josepha Antonia. If it is two separate people "Jph." is the abbreviation for Joseph (it would Josepha if it was Jpha.) and "Antta." is the abbreviation for Antonia.

Hope this helps!

Sergio Sean Salés

Here is a link to the pasajero record for Juan Montes Vigil I in 1611. He was single when he came to New Spain then married Catalina de Herrera Cantillana in Zacatecas in 1619, according to one site (www.hgrc-nm.org).

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/ImageServlet?accion=41&txt_…

Robert Martinez

I wrote an article many years ago titled NOTES ON THE MONTES VIGIL FAMILY OF ZACATECAS for Herencia Journal, which is for the Hispanic Genealogical Research Center of New Mexico. It has a lot of entries from the civil archives in Zacatecas for the Vigil family.

So far, not much is known about the ancestry of Catalina de Herrera Cantillana, except she came from Spain.

I will see if a pasajero entry has been found for her. Francisco's mother may never be known, as in two wills, his father Juan Montes Vigil never gave his mother's name.

The Jimenez de Ancizo family has yet to be researched, to my knowledge. But I am continuing my search for these ancestors, as are many other dedicated researchers and genealogists.

Hi Tricia,

I'm sorry I can't offer any information on the Vigil family from Zacatecas
but I do have a question for you. It seems that several of the Francisco
Vigil's had this as a surname - Montes Vigil De Santillana

When I go to the LDS new.familysearch.org site and follow the various links
going back I don't see the person who was a
parent/grandparent/greatgrandparent who wore the Santillana surname. Do you
know how Santillana was introduced to this line of Montes Vigil de
Santillana's???

Main reason I'm asking is that my Balthasar Vigil is referred to as
Balthasar Vigil Antillana in one record and since Antillana is so rare I
have to think it is Santillana and that maybe there is a connection here:

Jan.28, 1780 Juana Nepomucena Carvajal, HL Dionicio Carvajal y Juana Vargas
con Jose Antonio Vigil Antillana, HL Barltasar Vigil Antillana y Juana
Lugarda Tafoya

Do you think that the name comes from the "Herrera Cantillana" you mention
in your email. Really stretching here but Balthasar's wife Lugarda Tafoya's
parents are Francisco Tafoya and Juana de Herrera, hmm, wonder if he married
a Herrera that might be related to your Herrera Catillana family?

Thanks for any help,

Joseph

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Joseph Puentes
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-
> bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Tricia Carrillo
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 1:55 PM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Cc: wconnor86@yahoo.com
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research request for Vigil, de Herrera
Cantillana, Jimenez de
> Ancizo and unknown single woman in Zacatecas area
>
> Research request for Vigil, de Herrera Cantillana, Jimenez de Ancizo and
unknown single
> woman in Zacatecas area Confirmation of birth dates, baptisms, marriage
dates When they
> arrived in New Spain Related history while in Zacatecas
>
> Juan Montes Vigil, II was born in 1600 in Feligrasa de San Martino de
Siero, Castilla,
> Spain and died Before 1682 in Vecinos Mexico City. He sailed from Spain
and arrived in
> Nueva Espana in Jun 20 1611.
> Father: Juan Montes Vigil, I was born in 1570 in Siero,
> Asturias, Asturias, Spain and died on an unknown date in Spain
> Mother: Maria Vigil [de Vigil] was born About 1570 in
Siero, Asturias,
> Asturias, Spain and died on an unknown date.
> Catalina Vigil [de Herrera Cantillana] born in 1600 in San Martino de
Siero, Asturias,
> Spain, Married Juan Montes II Died in 1619 in Zacatecas New Spain and
died in 1682 in
> Mexico City, Districto Federal Mexico..
> Father? Would like to know more about th de Herrera
Cantillana
> genealogoy
> Mother?
> Juan Montes Vigil, III was born in 1620 in Zacatecas New Spain and died in
Oct. 1682 in
> Zacatecas New Spain. He met Single Woman Unknown.
> Who was the Mother of Francisco?
> Who was in the household?
> Francisco Montes Vigil was born in 1666 in El Real de Zacatecas, New Spain
and died on
> Sep. 11, 1730 in Santa Cruz Santa Fe New Mexico.
> Maria Vigil [Jimenez de Ancizo] was born in 1668 ? in El Real Zacatecas
Married
> Francisco Montes Vigil 1682 or 1683? in Zacatecas New Spain. Nov.
> 19, 1745 in Santa Cruz de la Canada New Mexico
> Father? Would like to know more about Jimenez de Ancizo family
> Mother?
> children born to Francisco and Maria in Zacatecas
> Domingo Montes Vigil 1693 Augas Calientes, Zacatecas
> Maria De La Concepcion 1684
> Were there any other family members or household who traveled with
them to New
> Mexico?
> Children born in Santa Cruz de la Canada New Mexico:
> Pedro Policarpio Montes 1687
> Manuel Montes 1701
> Francisco Montes II 1702
> Gertrudis Montes Vigil 1704
> Juan Montes iv
> Eloena
>
>
> Thank you very much for your assistance! We are very excited to learn more
about our
> family!
>
> Regards,
> Tricia Carrillo, PMP
> 949 6831776
> triciac@cox.net
>
>

Femat and Femá with Romo de Vivar

Hello

I came across this information today:

The name Femá is also written as Femat, judging from two documents:

1. Marriage dispensa for Don Fernando Femá and Dona Teodora Romo de Vivar,
Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic...Church Records, 1590-1995
Guadalajara
Diócesis de Guadalajara
Matrimonios 1735-1819
Image 45 of 278

This doc has a tree for Monica Romo de Vivar and two of her sons and their sons and their son/daughter (who wish to marry). One son of Monica has the name Fermin Femá and the other is given as Pedro Romo de Vivar.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18402-92423-90?cc=1874591&wc…

2. The Información Matrimonial for Fermín Antonio Femat and
Mónica Romo de Vivar (dated 17/Oct/1715 in Aguascalientes, Sagrario) IMAGE 166 ON THE FOLLOWING:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11627-22110-47?cc=1410092&…

Monica's proposed husband is named as Fermin Antonio Femat, and his father has the same name (end with a "t", no accent mark)

Regards
Denise Fastrup

Dear Group,
I'm hoping there's someone out there that likes reading the old church entries.  This is an unusual request, I know; but I don't know any other way to do this.  On the pilot site, I'm researching difunciones entries for Nstra Sra De Guadalupe, Salinas Victoria, Nvo Leon 1745-1836, specifically image 140.  It's on the right, third from the bottom.  This is my 7ggrandfather, Martin De Arrambide, and I need to know if I'm reading the entry correctly.  I'm not sure about a word that comes after his name; it could indicate that my research with that line is finished in Mexico.  Also, does it say that he had a mason's burial?  What's that? I'm confused and all help would be greatly appreciated.   Thanks so much,   Alice