Introduction:

Hello group,

I am Ed, and my familial research interest is in both Jalisco and Michoacan.
My maternal side is from Jalisco and around the late 19teens the family moved from Arandas to Irapuato. The family is in the 1930 Mexican Census and my aunts and mother actually still live in the house that lists their family in Irapuato. Anyways, the family moved to Irapuato via D.F. with a stopover in Salamanca., settling in Irapuato by the late twenties. My maternal grandfather Teofilo was a baker, born in Atotonilco el Alto (Morales Alvarez) on 9 Jan 1890 (have his birth both church and civil record) died in 1964 in Irapuato. My maternal grandmother Ramona (Patiño Angel) was born in Arandas, Jalisco on 17 Feb 1895 and died in Irapuato in 1988. They had about 15 children and my mother is number 12.
I’ve been pretty lucky with Family Search and have spent a considerable time on that side of the family.

Among the surnames from my grandfather side: Alvarez Flores, Albarez Casillas, Flores Gutierrez, Flores Marquez, Gutierrez Renteria; Morales Perez, Morales Varajas, Morales Munos, Varajas Lopes, Perez Valdivia, Peres Trujillo, Baldibia Lopes, Lopes Sanches; Villalpando, Sanchez, Villalpando, Placencia, Villalpando, Bela, Lopez, Garcia.

Among the surnames for my grandmother side (goes a bit further): Pati~o Lopez, Pati~o De La Torre, De La Torre Gutierrez, De La Torre Venabidez, Gutierrez de Hermosillo, de Hermosillo Mantel, Angel Rizo Lomelin Navarro, Quiroz Velasquez, Sallabedra Zarate, de Cordova Bermudes, Ornelas Angel, Basquez de Padilla, de Sallabedra de Albarado,

Oldest record I have is 1684 birth of Pedro de Sallabedra in Ayo el Chico, Jalisco.

Places: Arandas, Atotonilco el Alto, Jalostotitlan, San Miguel el Alto, San Diego de Alejandria, Ayo el Chico,

The Morales Alvarez Pati~o Angel ancestor report is here:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/BiblioRanger

About my user name:

“Biblio” – I am an academic librarian
“Ranger” – I am a former Army Ranger. Served in the 3d Ranger Battalion and 6th Ranger Training Battalion during the 80s.

Look forward to contributing and learning from this site.

Soy nuevo, I am new

Buenas noches a todos,

Me llamo Sergio Salés y nací en el D.F., pero la familia de mi abuela
paterna es de Jalisco hasta donde he podido encontrar alrededor de 1690. A
continuación pongo los datos que tengo en inglés.

Hi,

Mi name is Sergio Salés, and I am researching the following last names in
Jalisco.

*Guzman or de Gusman family: Tecolotlan, Tuxcacuesco, and Autlan 1690s-
1870s*

My ancestors Juan de Gusman (?-1701) and Luisa Gomes (?-1701) had their
last child Juan Antonio de Gusman in Tecolotlan, Jalisco in 1692. I have
not been able to get farther back. Juan Antonio married Maria Antonia de
Zambrano (1702-?) in Tuxcacuesco, Jalisco in 1723. They had Sebastian de
Gusman (c.1736-1796). Sebastian married Maria de Jesus Michel in
Tuxcacuesco in 1779. Their first child was Santos Guzmán (1779-c.1840) who
married Josefa de Amador (1784-1826) in Guadalajara in 1813. They had Jose
Maria Guzmán (1817-after 1875) in Autlan. José Maria married Rosa Araiza
(1822-after 1875) in Autlan in 1837. Jose Maria and Rosa had Pedro Guzman
Araiza. I have not found his baptism but calculate he was born around
1844, since he was 22 in 1866 when he married Maria Paula Melendez in
Autlan. Pedro and Paula had my great-grandmother Maria de Jesus Guzmán
Melendez in Guadalajara in 1879. She married Silverio Reyes López on 22
Oct 1908 in Guadalajara. They had my paternal grandmother María Elena
Reyes Guzmán in 1913 in Guadalajara, Jalisco. Mi abuela conoció a mi
abuelo Luis Salés Puigdollers en el D.F. alrededor de 1940.

*Araiza family: Tecolotlan, Jalisco 1690s-Autlan, Jalisco 1870s*

Juan de Arayza y Medina and Maria del Castillo had Christobal (often
spelled Xptoval) de Arayza y Medina around 1680. I have not yet found his
baptism. Christobal married Maria de Gusman (daughter of Juan de Gusman
and Luisa Gomes) in Tecolotlan in 1701. Christobal and Maria had Agustin
de Araiza Gusman in Autlan, but I have not found his baptism. I estimate
he had to be born between 1702 and 1732, since he married Maria Rita de
Puga Gonzalez-Corona in Autlan in 1753. They had Josse Maria Araiza in
around 1765, since he was 23 in 1788 at his engagement to Guadalupe
Nicolasa Moscoso in Autlan. They had Pedro José Araiza in Autlan in
1797. Pedro
José married Maria Juana Nepomucena Lopez-de-Toledo Anguiano in Autlan in
1816. They had Rosa Araiza, who married into the Guzman family.

*Melendez (or Melendres) family: Villa de Purificacion, Jalisco
(1780s-1860s)*

Miguel Francisco Melendres (?-c.1806) and Maria Josefa Dominguez (?-c.1806)
had Joseph Miguel Ylario in Villa de Purificacion in 1786. Jose Miguel
married Maria Lauriana Magallon in Colima, Colima in 1806. They had Jose
Nabor Melendres Magallon in Villa de Purificacion in 1809. Nabor married
Juliana Araiza Quintero sometime before 1833. I have no info on Juliana’s
age. I do know that Juliana’s parents were Miguel Mauricio de Araiza
(?-1836) (Miguel Mauricio is probably related to the Autlan Araizas, but
not proof yet) and Maria Rita Quintero (c.1800-?). Nabor and Juliana had
Maria Paula Melendez Araiza around 1847 in Villa de Purificacion.

*Reyes family: Ahualulco and Tala, Jalisco 1740s-1870s*

Josef Cayetano Reyes (c.1746-?) and Juana Mariana Gonsales married in 1766
in Ahualulco de Mercado, Jalisco. They had Pedro Antonio Reyes in 1776
also in Ahualulco. Pedro Antonio married Maria Gertrudis Delgado in
1796. They
has Josef Tomas Reyes in 1812. Tomas married Secundina Días Nuñes around
1839. Their fourth child was Santiago Reyes Días, who married Gregoria
López Dávalos in 1872 in Ahualulco. They had by great-grandfather Silverio
Reyes López around 1883. Oddly, I have not been able to find much of any
information on Silverio. I know his name and age from his daughter, my
paternal grandmother. I do know he married Maria de Jesus Guzmán Melendez
in Guadalajara Oct 22, 1908. They had my grandmother María de Jesús Reyes
Guzmán in Guadalajara in 1913.

*L**ópez family, Hostotipaquillo, Jalisco 1840s*

This is the family that has been hardest to get any info. I know that
Gregoria López Dávalos was the daughter of Cecilio López and Basilia
Dávalos. Gregoria was born around 1843. I have not been able to find her
baptism or Cecilio and Basilia’s marriage.

Ésta es la familia conla que menos éxito he tenido. Sólo sé que Gregoria
López Dávalos nació alrededor de 1843 en Hostotipaquillo, Jalisco. También
sé que fue hija de Cecilio López y de Basilia Dávalos. Pero no sé cuando
de casaron. Gregoria se casó en 1872 con Santiago Reyes en Autlán, Jalisco.

Saludos a todos y un abrazo a mis parientes!

Sergio Salés

The strange turns in family searches

While researching my McNeal side of the family I discovered that both of my parents are distant cousins to Bejaman Harrison.

On my mothers side (Reynoso Hurtado)through Inez Alfons De Ayala (1330-1395) and Don Diego De Toledo (1334 – 1418) and on my fathers side through Sir Walter Mountjoy Blount (1420-1474)and Ellen Byron (1416-1467)

Then it dawned on me and I looked a little harder and indeed my parents are very distant cousins.

Fwd: Research Digest, Vol 84, Issue 23

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1. Luis Munoz and ? (Ronald Reynoso)

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From: Ronald Reynoso
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Hola Members/Parientes I have a Jose Antonio Munoz Sept. 02,1804 San
Diego de Alejandria(Bautismo-1803-1823-Image # 104) Parents -Estevan
Munoz and Maria Ygnacia Reynoso-Maternal GrandParents -Juan Antonio
Reynoso and Juana Catarina Santa Cruz.
Paternal Grandparents-Luis Munoz ,doesnt state the Paternal Grand
Mother. I am guessing it could be Luis Munoz married to Francisca
Xaviera Gonzalez-Rubio. The reasoning being that Maria Ygnacia
Reynoso has a brother Jose Maria Reynoso married to Maria de
SJ(Josefa) Munoz daughter of Luis Munoz and Francisca Xaviera
Gonzalez-Rubio.No proof just a guess because I have seen a lot of
brothers /sisters marriages. Any Ideas?
Ronnie Reynoso

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Luis Munoz and ?

Hola Members/Parientes I have a Jose Antonio Munoz Sept. 02,1804 San Diego de Alejandria(Bautismo-1803-1823-Image # 104) Parents -Estevan Munoz and Maria Ygnacia Reynoso-Maternal GrandParents -Juan Antonio Reynoso and Juana Catarina Santa Cruz.
Paternal Grandparents-Luis Munoz ,doesnt state the Paternal Grand Mother. I am guessing it could be Luis Munoz married to Francisca Xaviera Gonzalez-Rubio. The reasoning being that Maria Ygnacia Reynoso has a brother Jose Maria Reynoso married to Maria de SJ(Josefa) Munoz daughter of Luis Munoz and Francisca Xaviera Gonzalez-Rubio.No proof just a guess because I have seen a lot of brothers /sisters marriages. Any Ideas?
Ronnie Reynoso

Important Question?

Did the Spaniard really raped the indegenous people?I was having a discussion with my aunt on this topic and she was saying that of cours the spanish raped the indegenous why do you think I'm brown she said ,and how they were just cruel and mean.So where my spanish ancestors really this?And why do mostly all the Mexican people look up to the Aztecs?
Thanks a lot if you can answer these quations

Andres de la Torre/Maria Demetria Montes... Tepetongo, Zac Mex

I am working on the line of Andres de la Torre and Maria Demetria Montes from Tepetongo, Zac approx birth dates conflicting.. IF there first son Pedro de la Torre/Maria Petra Vera abt 1700 and 1705 is correct then it would be impossible for Andres and Demetria next children Josefa Refugio Simona born 1783 and Joseph Pedro Celestino born 1788.
Pedro and Maria Petra Vera have 4 children born between 1820-1835 all claiming Andres de la Torre and Maria Demetria Montes as grandparents! I'm praying someone else has figured this out!
HELP!
Linda in Boulder City

BARTOLOME PRECIADO Y BEATRIZ GONZALEZ DE RUBALCAVA,, de san juan aprox 1680 casados

Saludos a todos los compañeros del foro,,, vengo a pedirles si alguien sabe alfo sobre esta pareja,,, ya que no encuentro los padres de el, y de ella se que su padre se llamaba Andres que al parecer es gonzalez de rubalcava ya que por alguna dispensa q encotre aqui en el foro de sebastian Perez de Ortega casado con leonor Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba ;; al parecer esta Leonor es la hermana de Andres padrede Beatriz Gonzalez,,, bueno agradezco de antemano su ayuda

In Need of Help.. Any Suggestions Please ...

I have been researching all sides of my family tree, from my Roman side in the Jalisco area to my Perez side from I don't know where. This is where I am in need of assistance. I am stuck stuck stuck. I recently went through one major brick wall which was such a relief, but now I cannot get through this other one. I do not know where to turn. I am trying to figure out where my great grandfather on my mothers side is from. I cannot find a birth record, a death record or a marriage record for him. I have a 1930 Census Record from the US and a WWI Draft Registration Card with his name and birth date and "Mexico" on it, only. His name is Francisco Perez, born July 24, 1885, Mexico. Wife was Nieves Juarez Perez (B: Aug 1899, D:1924).

Any suggestions are appreciated. I use Ancestry.com and FamilySearch.com. FamilySearch has been a gold mine of information for me. But I can't get past this.
Any suggestions to other websites or what to do, or anything I will take!

Thank you all!

Kristine

Ponce of Aguascalientes

Hello Everyone,

I'm still working on my Ponce and Calvillo ancestors from Aguascalientes and I'm currently looking for information on my GGGGGGGGgrandfather Bartolome Ponce who was married to Juana Manuela Lozano de Gardea. I believe they were from Aguascalientes. They would've probably been born sometime between 1700 and 1720. Their son Miguel Ponce married María de Guadalupe de Medina on May 1, 1764 at El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. Thank you Austin for helping with that record. The record lists Bartolome and Juana as the parents of Miguel Ponce. The parents listed for María de Guadalupe de Medina are Francisco Javier de Medina and María Francisca Bernales Delgado. The only information I can see that's close to a Juana Manuela Lozano de Gardea was a Juana Lozano sometimes listed as Manuela Lozano that had children with a Bartholome Martel. Any information that anyone might have on Bartolome Ponce, Juana Manuela Lozano de Gardea, Francisco Javier de Medina and María Francisca Bernales Delgado and their families and ancestors is greatly appreciated.

Thanks everybody,

Christopher de Cuéllar

My Munoz line

I was so glad yesterday when I found Sebastian Munoz parents as well as Sostenes Aguirre that just literally made my whole day.I found them by locating a baptism record of a daughter of Sebastian Munoz Camila Munoz, because i couldn't find the baptism of Vicenta Munoz my grandpas mother.But thank got I found it.

Sebastian Munoz father & mother:Cipriano Munoz & Maria Munoz
Unfortunately i can not go any further than that which where i'm asking for your guys help.I found a marriage Doc.of a Cipriano Munoz and a Maria Ascencion Munoz but i'm not sure if thats them because it says that they were both from El Monte De Los Duranes?And my Cipriano & Maria were from La Jabonera?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15697-50488-54?cc=1410092&wc…

So please if anyone can help me i would really appreciate it?

Datos para Juchipila, Zacatecas (Amoxochitl y Juchipila) antes de 1825

Hola a todos! / Hello to all!

Estoy interesada en saber donde busco datos antes del 1825 para Juchipila, Zacatecas. Cual pueblo tendra los records?

I'm interested in knowing where to find information for Juchipila, Zacatecas before 1825. What towns near it would have it?

location

In doing marriage records in Jerez, Zac in the 1712 to 1745 years I'm finding many people from the Valle de Suchil.. does anyone know where that is?
Linda Castanon-Long
Boulder City, Nv

Nueva Galicia military records

Does anyone know where to search for military records for Spanish soldiers of Nueva Galicia for the years 1600 to 1700's? I have several ancestors that are listed as captains but been unable to find any information of job descriptions and military units. your help is greatly appreciated.
Esteban Pedroza

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New Member

Hello my name is Anisabel Santamaria. I should really be doing research on my family in Sonora, (i'm kind of stuck now) however, my husband's paternal & maternal side has been interesting and fairly easy to find, of course until you hit a wall and don't know where else to go. I am looking for information from El Tuito, Jalisco on the Rubio, Castillon, & Avalos families. I did go all the way back to 1815 on the Castillon family and thought I had a connection until about 1830 defunciones, it skips about 10 years, where is probably where my answers are. The pages are consistent but somehow those 10 years are missing.

As for my husband's paternal side, Santamaria, Salgado & Preciado are from Tomatlan. His great grandfather Pablo Santamaria was supposedly a "huerfano" and it turns out they were wrong. I called the church to find out information on Pablo's brother, Enrigue Santamaria and found his baptism and their father, who is Gabriel Santamaria. Well until I find out some dates to break it down I hate to call the church without good information. I have been unable to find the marriage of Clara Salgado with Pablo Santamaria. I found census information on the entire family on both maternal and paternal side but the Santamaria leads me to a dead end without any more dates. I was told the church in Tomatlan had burned down or something but if I continue to listen to his family (BTW....it looks like I know more information on his family than they do :) they will detour me the wrong way.

This research is both tiring yet exciting when I find a link. I did make a connection to a child Maria Susana Castillon in El Tuito died 1819 and her father's name was Onofre Castillon, which is what my mother in laws grandfather's name is so I'll assume that this Onofre is the main patriarch of the clan from the 1700's. I believe the info I found on this death entry shows that they are indeed from Spain, which we all know most of them are but having something actually in writing is where all your research rewards you.

Well since I am new I hope I did this right and haven't left our or added too much on this forum. I would appreciate any information that you might have. BTW...is familysearch.org going to add Tomatlan to their database? I would love to help index for Jalisco, if we are allowed to chose the location. Thanks.

Anisabel Santamaria

la família de Salbadór Benites de Villa Reál y Clara de Susilla, la Barca 1720

The above, captioned couple were married 20 ene 1720 in San Juan Barco, la Barca, Jalisco. They had at least three children: George Teodoro (bau. 28 abr 1720), Joseph Manuel (bau. 08 may 1723) and Juana María (bau. 13 ene 1726).

My research includes a María Josepha Benites who married Miguel Aseves in Portesuelo, la Barca 11 jul 1742. It is not an unreasonable speculation that 'my' María Josepha may also be a child of the above family, although I have not yet located her baptismal record.

Does anyone have any research that may include either María Josepha Benites or the family of Salbadór Benites de Villa Reál and Clara de Susilla?

Best wishes,
Lawrence Bouett

Dimas / De la Rosa Family????

Hi, I am new here and I am trying to find more information on my ancestry and I am trying to get a sense as to where my ancestors are from since my family has no clue as to where we come from. I have been doing a lot of research for almost 9 months now and have been able to find a lot of interesting stuff that has surprised my whole family however I can not find more information about a specific family. I am stuck on my 2nd-great grandmother's parents and their family. Her name was Maria Patrocinio? or Patrocinia? Dimas born on the 17th of September of 1883 and baptized on the 1st of October 1883. She had a daughter who is my great grandmother named Vicenta Camarena with a man whose name I still don't know besides his last name (Camarena). Maria Patrocinio? or Patrocinia? Dimas moved to the United States and lived in Silver City New Mexico where she re-married to a man named Marcos Acevedo. She was the daughter of Santiago Dimas and Maria De la Rosa. Santiago's parents were Macedonio? or Celedonio? Dimas and Petra Ramirez. Maria De la Rosa (whom which I am more interested in) was the daughter of Juan De la Rosa? or just Rosa? and Victoria De Abila. So far that is all I know. I am more interested in Maria De la Rosa and her parents since I want to find my mothers direct maternal lineage. Thank You to anyone who took the time to read my message and decided to help :)

The Inquisition: A Model For Modern Interrogators

I just listened to a very interesting podcast about the Spanish Inqusition. It goes into detail on the methods of torture used by the church to catch secret Jews and also, it talks about the expulsion of the Sephardic Jews from Spain. Many of these converted and immigrated to the New World, but kept practicing their religion in secret. Several of them populated our target states and are our ancestors. If anyone is interested in this podcast, here's the link:

http://www.npr.org/2012/01/23/145512271/the-inquisition-a-model-for-mod…

Steve in NC.

Jerez Baptism/Death/Marriage Records

I plan to take time over the next week to go through the records for late 1600's and early 1700's in Jerez. I will be looking primarily for Rodarte, Caldera, de Avila, and Munoz. If anyone would like me to keep an eye open for their ancestors, send me the last name to look for and I will point you towards any records I come across.

I typically only focus on records for Spanish and Mestizo. Just helps to speed things up.

Here are the two files I plan to look at:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15671-68010-21?cc=1410092&wc…

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15068-63024-0?cc=1410092&wc=…

You can email the names to me at rm1jr@yahoo.com