No, what I saw was film numbers for the church in Moyahua dating from 1814 to the 1600's. If we could get a hold of those films we would be able to extend our lines. I believe that is why we are not able to find records on Silverio Reynoso. He and many other family members would be on those films.
Greetings!
My name is Ron Schuler and I am primarily researching the following surnames and locations:
MARQUEZ ● VALDES ● GOMEZ ● DE LA TORRE
JEREZ, ZACATECAS; “LOS CUERVOS”
Marquez - Gomez Lines
I can relate to this very well. My family also owned several haciendas, ranchos and ejidos in Aguas and Zacatecas and Jalisco, several of them were hacendados and the goverment and the notably the Zaptistas arrived on May 1913 in my mother's family hacienda and burned everything, they put them under house arrest for over a month according to my grandfathers grandmother who lived through this event she died in 1979 at the age of 100. It was said the Zapatas were burning all the wealthy spanish landowners lands until they reach the capital of Zacatecas. My 3rd gf who was the hacendado and his son i descend from him three times (intermarried alot) he and his son Celso died protecting the hacienda once they were able to rebel against Zapata. That is the reason why my family emmigrated to the USA. They went from "an upper class spanish family" and for the first experianced what is it like to work. According to my grandfather they learned alot from that experiance, be happy gratefu
l for everything. After all their possesion was lost they were happy almost the whole family lived.
-Daniel
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I'm researching my sister-in-laws family, a tree is in the files area under
Eric Edgar.
Martin *de la O* b. 1898 in *Colotlan*
Lasaro *de la O* b. 17 Dec 1906, *Colotlan*
Agustin *de la O* b. 30 Sep 1911. *Colotlan*
Hello Edgar,
I am researching the area of Colotlan and Totatiche in Jalisco. I have De La O family and I descend from Manuel Santos Carrion married to Manuela De La O on 25 FEB 1699 in Totatiche, Jalisco. Manuela De La O was the daughter of Miguel De La O and Maria Perez. Miguel De La O is the son of Pedro Covarrubias and Gertrudis De La O. Gertrudis De La O was the Owner of Hacienda San Antonio de la O in Cartagenas, Totatiche, Jalisco in about 1650 according to Arturo Ramos (he has more information than I do on this family).
I couldn't find any of the De La O family you mentioned connecting to mine, but I did find other connections.
Here is the ancestors of Cipriano De La O Gaeta:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/PRF/pedigree_view.asp?recid=1330…
Here is the ancestors of my great-great-grandfather Donaciano Miramontes Cardenas:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/prf/pedigree_view.asp?recid=1330…
Comparing the two charts, you'll notice I share Miramontes-Campos, Gaeta-Mayorga, and Cardenas-Marques with Cipriano De La O Gaeta.
Take a look at my files if want to see more information on those families. Let me know if you would like any additional information on something in particular.
There are a couple of other people in the group researching the same families listed above.
Looking forward to hearing more from you,
Angie Godina
Daniel,
I just checked FamilySearch.org and it is not updated. It has a new look, but I am not finding in the IGI what I am finding in the Pilot Site (see link below).
Hello All, the familysearch website the one we know
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It is different now, in a matter of years it will contain all genealogical microfilm records
Hola Claudia ,how are you ? Well I hope . I descend from the Reynoso line of Jalisco. There were 2 brothers Francisco and Diego Reynoso whose parents were Francisco Reynoso (born In Peru ) and Mariana Padilla Davilla (Culiacan and related to all Padillas in the Area) . The 2 brothers married 2 sisters Josefa and Margarita Renteria. Francisco married Josefa (1659)in Guadalajara and Diego married Margarita in(1680) Juchipila ,Zacatecas. So in a nut shell Francisco stayed in Jalisco and Diego in Zacatecas.What are your thoughts ?
Hi Ronnie (primo),
Wow, I've seen you around while doing my reserach and I respect your knowledge, as I'm sure you've been at it much longer than I have.
Thanks for the information on the two brothers, Francisco and Diego. I sure would like to know how you made the connections. I've only gone as far as the mid-eighteenth century; somehow the trail ends with Silverio Reynoso in Moyahua b.@1764.
I found a Miguel Reynoso Renteria, who came to Jalisco from Spain in 1720, and wodered if he might be Silverio's father...
I am interested in learning more about where I can find the links between Silberio and Diego Reynoso (the Diego from 1680 you mention).
Also - a recurring theme abounds and maybe you can enlighten me on it: What is the deal with the Reynoso-Renteria switch? I have heard about a Reynoso changing his name, also I know many Reynosos married Renterias, but the more I seek, the more of those I find. One distant relative is born a Renyono, but some records show him as Renteria (his mother was NOT Renteria!). Any insight into this would be appreciated.
Glad to have found you and Sandra! Hope to share info and details anytime.
Hello Everyone,
I wanted to ask if anyone has a copy of the film for Nuestra Señora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche,
Batch # M602488 film #0639756.
I've been waiting for the film for months.
I'm trying to discover the parents of Francisco Muñoz de Nava and Juana Rosalia Diaz de Zandi, who were married the 5th of Febuary 1758.
Hello all
Has anyone come across a site for the ship passenger lists for Mexico.
There must have been a least two ports where ships coming from Spain
would have arrived, Tampico and Veracruz. Where would they have kept
It is also possible that the Saavedra are the same family from Los Altos! All families tended to travel far! -Daniel
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Hello Sofia - I hope I am the Yolanda you are referring to. Yes -- I have seen this site. But --- I did check this site again (my Spanish needs work), and I found some more information on my Granillo ancestors! I found several Granillo ancestors in here.....
It appears that (Alonzo Perez Granillo) was a marinero, and his son Francisco Granillo was a Piloto of one of the ships. Under Alonzo's "difunto" information which documents an outline of his personal possessions perhaps. Here's the text: This was recorded in 1583.
"Autos
sobre bienes de difuntos: Alonso Pérez Granillo, marinero, natural de
Triana, difunto en Veracruz. Heredera: Isabel García de Ledesma, madre".
Information on Francisco Perez Granillo:
"Autos
en la Casa de la Contratación ante Alonso de Chaves, cosmógrafo y
piloto mayor, para el examen de piloto de Nueva España, Santo Domingo y
La Habana, de Francisco Pérez Granillo, natural de Sevilla, hijo de
Alonso Pérez Granillo e Isabel García."
It looks like I have found more information to add to the Great Pedigree database from New Mexico. The Granillo's were involved in the 1st and 2nd settlement of New Mexico. There was some confusion (even for me) on how many Alonzo's and Francisco Perez's there were. I now have some more names (Garcia/Ledesma). The Granillo's were in Zacatecas at some point also back in the 1500's.
This is cool new information. I saw this website but I didn't look any further into the various areas within the website. Thanks for flagging me on this information --- I bet others will check it out too! The scans of the original documents that they have posted are great too!
Would these ship manifests contain even more personal information? At least I have Triana and Cadiz records in Spain to check out.
Regards, Yolanda
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From: sophia
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:40:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Passenger lists
Hola Yolanda,
Have you tried this site:
Sofia
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Hi Yolanda and Everyone,
I found another site for passengers.
http://www.sologenealogia.com/Pasajeros/Listas/Listado%20General%20de%2…
Hope its helpful.
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Hola Yolanda,
Have you tried this site:
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Sofia
This is a great site!!!! It is a little confusing if you're not familiar with the format and the language and the terminology takes some getting used to, but all in all it's worth the time and effort to be able to view the digitized images. Thank you for your assistance, once again a possible ranchos cousin has come to my assistance. MUCHISIMAS GRACIAS
Yolanda Medina Perez
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Hi Daniel and everyone,
Taking a moment to reply to Daniel concerning my maiden last name, de la O. This is my father's paternal last name and I have located an aunt who is doing research on the de la O Ortiz branch of the family. I'm extremely busy right now. My seven siblings and I are getting together in El Paso, Texas on August 1st to celebrate our Mom's 80th birthday. I was appointed the job of writing Mom's story and my husband is putting together a genealogical tree. We also collected as many pictures as possible to share with the family. As you can imagine this has become quite an undertaking. This project has taken over our lives for the past few months. Hopefully when we return from Texas in August, we'll to participate more fully in the information exchange for Nuestros Ranchos. We traveled to Mexico in April to meet aunts and uncles and they gave us so much valuable information that I definitely recommend that anyone doing genealogical research should travel
Raquel, where in Zacatecas is your de la O family from?
Linda in B.C.
--- On Tue, 7/15/08, Norman Livingston wrote:
From: Norman Livingston
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Raquel de la O de Livingston
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 7:44 AM
Hi Daniel and everyone,
Taking a moment to reply to Daniel concerning my maiden last name, de la O.
This is my father's paternal last name and I have located an aunt who is
doing research on the de la O Ortiz branch of the family. I'm extremely
busy right now. My seven siblings and I are getting together in El Paso, Texas
on August 1st to celebrate our Mom's 80th birthday. I was appointed the job
of writing Mom's story and my husband is putting together a genealogical
tree. We also collected as many pictures as possible to share with the family.
As you can imagine this has become quite an undertaking. This project has
taken over our lives for the past few months. Hopefully when we return from
Texas in August, we'll to participate more fully in the information
exchange for Nuestros Ranchos. We traveled to Mexico in April to meet aunts
and uncles and they gave us so much valuable information that I definitely
recommend that anyone doing genealogical research should travel to their
"motherland" and try to meet as many people as possible. My husband
and I have been bitten by the genealogical bug. Finding new people just pushes
us to find more. Next year, God willing, we'll be traveling to Zacatecas.
In the meantime we will continue to send for films from LDS and I will post the
film number and what it covers in case anyone is interested. We look forward
to becoming more active in the near future.
Raquel de la o de Livingston
Hello Everyone,
I just found this info and I thought I would put it in case it helps anyone:
Hola A Todos,
Acabo de encontrar esta informacion que pense que podia ayudar a algien en su buscada:
Sofia,
Thank you for sharing such valuable information. I have made a hard
copy so I can compare to those on my Tree.
Eloise Gomez Reyes
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From: Sofia
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 9:03 am
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Informacion
Hello Everyone,
I just found this info and I thought I would put it in case it helps
anyone:
Hola A Todos,
Acabo de encontrar esta informacion que pense que podia ayudar a algien
en su buscada:
Sofia
Partidas de Bautismos y Defunciones de Españoles del Primer Libro de
Xalostotitlan y Matrimonios y Defunciones de Tepatitlan, Jalisco Siglo
XVII
Paleografiado por Gullermo Padilla Origel
guillermopadillao@prodigy.net.mx
Leon, GTO, Julio de 2
BAUTISMOS de XALOSTOTITLAN
29 de Diciembre de 1698
Bernardo, esp. h.l. de Domingo Cornrejo y G. de Hermosillo, fueron sus
padrinos, Don Cristóbal de Padilla y Doña Josefa de Valdes.
10 de Enero de 1699
Josepha, esp., h.l. de Estéban Iñiguez y de Isabel Cárdenas, fueron sus
padrinos, Nicolás de Cárdenas y Constanza Rodríguez.
10 de Febrero de 1699
Joseph Cayetano, esp. h.l. de Isidro Gutiérrez de Mendoza y de Rosa
Enríquez del Castillo, fueron sus padrinos Juan Gutiérrez Lozano y
Aldonza Ga
lván de Rojas.
1 de Marzo de 1699
Francisca, esp. h.l. de Juan López y Lucía de Mendoza, fueron sus
pardrinos, Bernardo Gómez y Doña María de Estrada.
4 de Marzo de 1699
María de la Candelaria, esp., h.l. de Diego Rodríguez e Isabel de
Sepúlveda, fueron sus padrinos, Fernando Gómez y Maria de Estrada.
9 de Marzo de 1699
Josepha María, esp. h.l. de Don Juan de Padilla y Dona Gertrudis de
Nava, fueron sus padrinos, El Capitan, Joseph Gonzalez y Doña
Petronilla de Orozco y Mendoza.
24 de Marzo de 1699
Nicolasa, esp., h.l. de Diego Galán Gallardo y Dona Beatriz de Aceves,
fueron sus padrinos Don Alonso de Aguirre y Doña Mariana de Alcala.
24 de Marzo de 1699
Josepha, esp., h.l. de Antonio Cornejo y de Maria de Mendoza, fueron
sus padrinos, Sebastián Macias y Petronila Muñoz de Nava.
15 de Abril de 1699
María Isidora, esp., h.l. de Don Lazaro Martin del Campo y de Doña
Catalina Gonzalez de Hermosillo, fueron sus padrinos el Cap. Joseph
Pérez, de esta feligresia.
15 de Abril de 1699
María Clara, esp, h.l. de Joseph Perez Franco y de Lorenza Gutierrez de
Hermosillo, fueron sus padrinos., el Cap. Alonso Gomez de Aguirre y
Doña Mariana de Alcala, su mujer.
26 de Abril de 1699
Joseph Manuel, esp. h.l. de Gregorio de Figueroa y de Maria Martín de
Alarcón,=2
0fue su padrinos, el Cap. Carlos Francisco de Vallarta.
28 de Abril de 1699
Bernardo Hermenegildo, esp., h.l. de Bernardo Hermández y de Rosa María
González, fueron sus padrinos, Alonso Hernández de Rueda y Catalina
Ramírez, su mujer.
4 de Mayo de 1699
Beatriz, esp., h.l. de Don Bernardo de Santillán y de Paula Hernández
de Rueda, fueron sus padrinos, Joseph Hernández de Rueda, de esta jur.
6 de Mayo de 1699
Gertrudis Efigenia, esp. h.l. de Don Juan de Ledesma y de (no se lee
este tronzo), fueron sus padrinos Don Juan Antonio Franco y Doña Isabel
Gutierrez.
6 de Mayo de 1699
Manuel, esp. h.l. de Don Juan de Dkios Ximénez y de Francisca
Gutierrez, fueron sus padrinos, Cristobal Gutierrez y María de Láris,
Su mujer.
10 de Mayo de 1699
Emerenciana, esp. h.l. de Jerónimo González y de Matiana de Torres,
fueron sus padrinos, Luis de Hermosillo y Ana González de Hermosillo.
18 de Mayo de 1699
Marcos, esp. h.l. de Pedro Sanchez y de Gertrudis López, fueron sus
padrinos, el Cap., Miguel Gutiérrez de Hermosillo y Doña Lorenza
González de Hermosillo.
30 de Junio de 1699
Sebastiana Josefa, esp. h.l. de Cristobal Franco y de Francisca de
Lomelí, fueron sus padrinos, Nicolás Franco y María Pérez.
14 de Agosto de 1699
Francisco Ventura, esp. h.l. de Francisco Segura y d
e Angela Flores,
fueron sus padrinos, Francisco Cornejo y Juana de Olivares.
10 de Septiembre de 1699
Joseph Fermín, esp., h.l. de Diego Vargas y de María de Hermosillo,
fueron sus padrinos, Pedro de Vargas y Lenor de Hermosillo.
11 de Septiembre de 1699
Juan, esp., j.l. de Juan de Carvajal y de María de Arevalo, fue su
madrina Doña Francisca de Ayala.
21 de Septiembre de 1699
Luis, esp., h.l. de Joseph Guitiérrez Coronado y Mariana de Mendoza y
de Hermosillo, fueron sus padrinos, Pedro de Andrada y Josefa de Medoza
y Hermosillo.
23 de Septiembre de 1699
María, esp., h.l. de Don Jeronimo de Villaseñor y de Ana Muñoz, fueron
sus padrinos, Francisco Muñoz de Hermosillo y Francisca Gutierrez.
9 de Octubre de 1699
Salvador, esp. h.l. de Nicolás de Loza y Antonia de la Barrera, fueron
sus padrinos, Salvador de la Cueva y Antonia de la Barrera.
12 de Octubre de 1699
Petrona, esp. h.l. de Juan Munoz de Barba y de Mariana de Padilla,
fueron sus padrinos, Don Cristóbal de Padilla y Doña Luisa de
Hermosillo.
13 Noviembre de 1699
Antonia, esp., h.lo. de Bartolome de . . . y de Micaela Sánchez, fueron
sus padrinos Don Jerónimo de Villaseñor y Doña Ana Muñoz.
13 Diciembre de 1699
Luisa, esp. h.l. de Francisco de Padilla y de Ana Muñoz, fueron sus
padrinos, Don Cristóbal de Pad
illa y Doña Luis de Hermosillo.
13 Diciembre de 1699
María Teresa, esp. h.l. de Don Manuel de Aceves y de Rosa de Paredes,
fueron sus padrinos, Joseph Pérez Franco y Lorenza su mujer.
15 Diciembre de 1699
Francisco de lo Santos, esp., h.l. de Don Nicolás de Contreras y de
Luisa López, fueron sus padrinos el Cap. Mariano Zermeño y María
Rodriguez de Portugal.
18 Diciembre de 1699
Juan, esp., h.l. de Mateo de Rubalcava y Francisca Carranza, fueron sus
padrinos, Francisco Casillas y Luisa de Rodas.
DEFUNCIONES de XALOSTOTITLAN
21 de Abril de 1660
Nicolás Domínguez, marido de Beatriz de Arevalo
4 de Julio de 1660
Agustina de Velasco, viuda de Gabriel de Avalos.
4 de Agosto de 1661
Juan de Aceves, marido de Andrea Rodriguez.
3 de Marzo de 1663
Lorenzo Farfán, vecino de las minas de "Escanela," marido de Juana de .
. .
3 de Junio de 1663
Miguel Franco, casado que fue con Ines Petrona. . . 5 de Julio de 1663
Isabel de Mendoza, viuda de Juan de Orantes.
20 de Octubre de 1663
Catalina de Ayala, viuda de Antonio Fernández.
13 de Febrero de 1664
Pedro de Padilla, casado con Maria de Lomelí.
12 Mayo de 1664
Blas de Valdivia, esp., casado con Mariana Xímenez. 4 de Noviembre de
1664
Bartolomé de Vel
asco, esp. fue casado con Lenor de Mendoza.
23 de Abril de 1665
Gertrudis Sánchez de Oliver, h.l. de Francisco de Oliver y de Catalina
Sanchez.
17 de Noviembre de 1665
Beatriz de Montoya, mujer de Gaspar de Avalos el Mozo.
6 de Enero de 1666
Juan González de Hermosillo, su mujer Ana Gonzalez testó ante el Br.,
Gaspar Cortes Hurtado de Mendoza, corregidor que fue de Colimilla, el
20 de Febrero del ano pasado.
27 de Septiembre de 1666
Juan Velásquez, natural del puerto de la Veracruz, casado en esta jur.
Con Ana de Rentería, declara que sus hijjos fueron Domingo y Joseph
Velásquez, etc.
1 de Agosto do 1667
Francisco de Aceves, casado con Teresa de Anaya, en el pueblo de
Acámbaro, Obispado de Mechoacan.
1 de Mayo de 1667, San Juan.
Bartolomé de Heredia, declaró ser natural de las Villa de Zamora,
casado con Ana Madera, vecino de este pueblo.
29 de Mayo de 1667
Nicolás de la Cuenca, casado que dicen ser con Melchora de la Cruz,
vecinos de Guanaxuato, Obispadode Mechoacan.
7 de Junio de 1667
Hernando de Iturrigaray, h.l. de Juan de Iturrigaray, vecino de
Nochistlán.
27 de Junio de 1667
Francisco Muñoz de la Barba, casado que era con Catalina González, esp.
5 de Julio de 1667
Antonia de Velasco,
casada que fue con Juan Trujillo Talavera, esp.
16 de Julio de 1668
Francisca de Torres, esp. Mujer de Francisco Munoz Cabeza, y su hijo,
Miguel Muñoz de Hermosillo.
18 de Julio 1668
Catalina Mexía, viuda de Francisco Gutiérrez Rubio, difunto. Fue
albacea Don Cristóbal de Padilla Dávila.
13 de Diciembre de 1668
Magdalena Sánchez de Avalos, casada que era con Nicolás Pérez de
Bocanega, vec. de esta jur. En San Juan.
7 de Abril de 1668
Martín Vásquez, casado con Catalina Burgueno.
30 de Noviembre de 1668
Nicolás de Contreras, casado que fue con Maria Lomelin.
16 de Diciembre de 1668
María Ortiz Vásquez de Lara, casada que era con Lucas Rodriguez de
Salcedo, esp.
20 de Diciembre de 1688
Felipe de Ornelas.
1 de Febrero de 1669
Clemente de la Torre, esp. Casado que era con Beatriz Ramirez.
22 de Octubre de 1669
Diego Sánchez Carranza, viudo de Ana Munoz.
10 de Noviembre de 1669
Jeronimo de Contreras, casado que era con Catalina Ximénez.
9 de Diciembre de 1669
María de Benavides, viuda de Carlos Lomelin, vecinos que eran de
Mexticacán, y su hijo Domingo de Lomelin.
5 de Diciembre de 1670
Polonia Gonzalez, mujer que era de Carlos Lomelin, esp.
16 de Febrero de201671
Francisca de Mendoza Camarena, casada que era con el Cap. Joseph Tello
de Orozco, teniente de esta jur.
2 de Mayo de 1671
Francisco de Olivares, casado con Magdalena de Cabrera.
3 de Septiembre de 1671
Juan Becerra, viudo de Catalina Galindo, esp.
30 de Octubre de 1671 San Juan
Juan de Rivera, esp. Casado que era con Isabel de Villaseñor y Quesada.
23 de Diciembre de 1671
Maria Muñoz de la Barba, esp.
7 de Mayo de 1672
Ana González Florida, viuda qaue era de Don Juan González Hermosillo.
Fueron sus albaceas y herederos sus hijos: Juan y Melchor González
Hermosillo.
29 de Diciembre de 1672 San Juan
Magdalena de Aguayo, casada que fué con Melchor de Avalos.
18 de Marzo de 1673
Dona Josefa Ortiz, mujer de Don Francisco Vázquez del Rivero.
6 de Abril de 1673
Cap. Melchor de los Reyes Pinto, su hijo fué Nicholás Pinto.
16 de Abril de 1673
Juan Lopez Muñoz de Nava, casado que era con Elvira Marquez, vecino que
eran de la Villa de Aguascalientes.
21 de Julio de 1674
Antonio de Vetancurt, vecino de la Ciudad de Mexico, que vino con Juan
de Betanzos, mercader.
22 de Agosto de 1674
Joseph Lozano, casado con Josefa Gutierrez, herederos: Juan y Josefa
Gutierrez.
22 de
Marzo de 1674
Lázaro Martín del Campo, viudo de María López de la Cruz,
testamentarios: Miguel Martín del Campo y Luis Barba.
8 de Diciembre de 1682
Lenor de Hermosillo, viuda de Miguel Gutierrez.
13 de Abril de 1682
Ana de Anda Altamirano, viuda de Alonso Hernández.
25 de Abril de 1682
Juana Isabel de Esquivel y Vargas, mujer que fué de Francisco Martin
del Campo.
8 de Mayo de 1682
María Hermosillo, viuda que era de Francisco Casillas.
2 de Agosto de 1682
Luis Camarena, hijo de Domingo Camarena.
11 de Marzo de 1683
Antonio de Escoto y Tovar, casado con Inés Ortiz, de est jur.
27 de Abril de 1683
Con Cristóbal de Padilla Dávila, esposo de Doña Luisa de Hermosillo.
19 de Noviembre de 1683
Diego Gómez de Portugal, casado con Petrona Hernández.
16 de Diciembre de 1683
Joseph de Anda, casado con Teresa Sánchez.
7 de Enero de 1684
Juan Camacho Riquelme, casado que era con Doña Josefa de Salazar y
León.
9 de Enero de 1684
María Ortiz, casada con Cristóbal Vazquez de Lara. 20 de Febrero de
1684
Melchor González de Hermosillo, casado con Beatriz González. 10 de
Junio de 1684 el sr. Br. Cura Beneficiado, Don Juan Gómez de Santiago.
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27 de Julio de 1684
Míguel Gutiérrez Rubio
3 de Octobre 1684
Beatriz González, viuda de Melchor González Rubio.
DEFUNCIONES DE TEPATITLAN 18 de Enero de 1686: Carlos de Aceves, esp.
2 de Marzo de 1686: Diego Becerra, esp. Esposo de D. Micaela Lomelin y
Contreras.
22 de Diciembre de 1686: Jacinta de Villalobos, doncella
30 de Diciembre de 1686, estancia de san Nicolás de los Casillas,
Fulgencio Lozano, esp. Marido de Juana Casillas.
20 de Marzo de 1687: Joseph González de Hermosillo, esp. Soltero.
9 de Julio de 1687 hda. De mezcala Francisco de Agundiz, esp. Casado
con María de Ulloa.
3 de Enero de 1688: Magdalena de Olivares, esp. Soltera.
6 de Abril de 1688, estancia del cerro Gordo Clemente de la Torre,
viudo.
6 de Septiembre de 1688: jalpilla Miguel de Contreras, esp. Soltero.
4 de Abril de 1689: Cristobal Muñoz de Hermosilla, Soltero.
21 de Abril de 1689
Juan de Salazár, solero, esp. h.l. de Juan de Salazár y de Catalina
Velásquez.
22 de Junio de 1689
Juan de la Duena, esp. Casado con María de Nombela, vec. de
Xalostotitlán.
3 de Febrero de 1690: María de Lomelin, esp. Viuda de Don Nicolás de
Contreras.
20 de Abril de 1690: María de Ulloa
, esp. Viuda de Francisco de
Agúndez.
12 de Enero de 1692
Francisco Gutiérrez Rubio, esp. En la hda. Del Salto, casado con Juana
de Lomelin, albacea: Juan de la Mora, su yerno, sus hijos: Miguel y
Lázaro Guitierrez.
15 de Octubre de 1692 mirandilla
D. Lenor de Hermosillo, vec. De esta fel. Viuda de Don Pedro Franco de
Paredes, hija lenor de Hermosillo y Joseph de Covarrubias, su esposo, e
hija de ambos: María de Covarrubias.
28 de Marzo de 1692
Joseph Venegas de Torres, esp. Vec. de esta jur. Casado con Doña
Catalina de Villaseñor y del castillo, capellán: Andres de la Torre,
h.l. de Felipe de la Torre y Mariana de Villaseñor, vec. De esta jur.
24 de Septembre de 1693: María de Alba, esp. h.l. de Andrés de Alba y
Juana González.
5 de Noviembre de 1693: Diego de Orozco, esp. Casado con Beatriz
Ramírez de Mendoza.
20 de Enero de 1694: Antonio González, esp. Casado con Antonia . . .
13 de Abril de 1694: Diego Ruiz Muñoz, Viudo.
21 de Mayo de 1694: Juan de Salazar, casado con Catalina Hernández.
8 de Julio de 1694 hda. De San Nicolas
Don Tomás Pizarro y Cortés, del consejo de su majestad, oidor de la
real audiencia, de la ciudad de Guadalaxara.
13 de Septiembre de 1694 cerro gordo
Catalina del Castillo y VillaseC3or, vda. de Joseph Venegas de Torres,
sin hijos.
25 de Junio de 1699: Juan González de Hermosillo, esposo de Doña Lenor
de Carvajal.
MATRIMONIOS de TEPATITLAN
15 de Septiembre de 1687
Pedro de Ornelas, esp. h.l. de Nicolás de Ornelas y Mendoza, y
Margarita de Valdivia, de esta jur; con Mariana de Pastrana, esp. h.l.
de Antonio Quintero y Josefa Olguin de esta jur.
18 de Mayo de 1688
Alonso de Estrada, mestizo, Viudo. Con Catalina de Castilleja.
27 de Mayo de 1688
Juan Becerra, mestizo, h.l. de Cristóbal Becerra y Juana Hernández, de
Jalos.: con Juliana de Contreras, esp. h.l. de Don Nicolás de Contreras
y María de Molina.
18 de Junio de 1688
Bernardo Godinez, mestizo, h.l. de Angres Godinez y María Gaytán, de la
jur. De Ocotlán; con Catalina de Salazár, h.l. de Juan de Salazár,
moriso y Catalina Velásquez.
20 de Junio de 1688
Petronila de Carvajal, esp. h.l. de Juan González de Hermosillo y Doña
Lenor de Carvajal; con Lucas de Chávez Romero, h.l. de Nicolás de
Chávez Romero y Doña María de Alcalá, de la jur. De Ocotlán.
10 de Octubre de 1688
Petronila de Villalobos, esp. En la Hacienda del salto grande, h.l. de
Hi Sofia:
Thank you for the information. I found a number of people that I have in my
database.
John Gonzalez
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From: "Sofia"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 09:03
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Informacion
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I just found this info and I thought I would put it in case it helps
> anyone:
Maria de Gabay y Ana Francisca de Gabay eran hermanas. Este dato lo
encontre en el libro de Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias "Genealogia
de Nochistlan Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia". El capitulo 58 del libro
Maria de Gabay:
In the book: "Historia de Teocaltiche Pueblo de La Region Caxcana Nueva
Galicia, Zona de Los Altos de Jalisco" by Nicolas de Anda Sanchez. there is
a listing of parents who confirmed their children in 1634 and the names of
the children.
I found: Jose de La Cruz y Maria Gabay o Navarro and their children
confirmed were: Tomasa, Josepha and Martin.
I tried to find more information about this couple, hoping to find who their
parents and grandparents were, in FamilySearch.org.but the only thing I
found was the date of christening for Jose de La Cruz, 14 Mar, 1689.
Nuestra Señora de Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco. His parents were:
Francisco Tomas and Maria de La Cruz.
I hope somebody else will have better luck researching this couple. If we
can find either Maria's or Francisca's birth certificate we will have found
Petronila's de Moctezuma's parents.
PD: Jaime eres bilingue?
John Gonzalez.
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From: "mcortez"
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 15:51
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maria de Gabay
> Maria de Gabay y Ana Francisca de Gabay eran hermanas...
NOTICE
Please notice that the Jose de La Cruz in the second paragraph can not be
the same Jose de La Cruz given in the first paragraph, the dates don't
match, unless the year is a typographical error.
John Gonzalez.
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From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 17:31
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maria de Gabay+
Maria de Gabay:
In the book: "Historia de Teocaltiche Pueblo de La Region Caxcana Nueva
Galicia, Zona de Los Altos de Jalisco" by Nicolas de Anda Sanchez. there is
a listing of parents who confirmed their children in 1634 and the names of
the children.
I found: Jose de La Cruz y Maria Gabay o Navarro and their children
confirmed were: Tomasa, Josepha and Martin.
I tried to find more information about this couple, hoping to find who their
parents and grandparents were, in FamilySearch.org.but the only thing I
found was the date of christening for Jose de La Cruz, 14 Mar, 1689.
Nuestra Señora de Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco. His parents were:
Francisco Tomas and Maria de La Cruz.
I hope somebody else will have better luck researching this couple. If we
can find either Maria's or Francisca's birth certificate we will have found
Petronila's de Moctezuma's parents.
PD: Jaime eres bilingue?
John Gonzalez.
Thanks for checking John. However, I don't think this is the same Maria de
Gabay because the daughter that I descend from, Petrona de Siordia, was
married on 14 Feb 1616. That would make Petrona's year of birth around
1592. If Maria was about 25 years old at the time of Petrona's birth, then
she would've been born around 1567. In 1634 she woul've been in her 60's,
so that makes her a bit old to be the mother named in the confirmation
records. She may very likely be a granddaughter of the Maria de Gabay
married to Pedro Fernandez de Vaulus. Pedro and Maria's children were
baptized in Aguascalientes.
Maria
> From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maria de Gabay+
>
> Maria de Gabay:
>
> In the book: "Historia de Teocaltiche Pueblo de La Region Caxcana Nueva
> Galicia, Zona de Los Altos de Jalisco" by Nicolas de Anda Sanchez. there is
> a listing of parents who confirmed their children in 1634 and the names of
> the children.
>
>
Hi,
Petrolina in the LDS records has her birth around 1550. Is this incorrect. I descend from Francisca her daughter.
Sofia
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Hi Sofia:
Francisca was born in 1577, so her mother, Petronila, would have been 27
years old if she was born in 1550, which sounds like a reasonable age.
John Gonzalez
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From: "sophia"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 16:36
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maria de Gabay
>
> Hi,
>
> Petrolina in the LDS records has her birth around 1550. Is this incorrect.
> I descend from Francisca her daughter.
>
> Sofia
Hi Maria:
What you say makes a lot of sense. The problem is that the confirmation
record for 1634 has no data at all for the parents. It would have been nice
if they had included at least their age. I guess we can't have everything
handed to us, genealogy wouldn't be any fun.
John Gonzalez
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From: "mcortez"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 16:08
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maria de Gabay
> Thanks for checking John...
John, Maria, Jaime, Daniel and other genealogists interested in Petronila de Moctezuma:
A couple of years ago I came across this María Gabai as part of my research on the founding families of Aguascalientes. I was intrigued by the name, thinking that she was directly related to María Gabai de Moctezuma. She is not. She is a descendant of Christobal Navarro, Maria's brother. Here is what I found.
Maria Gabai was an illegitimate child of Christobal Navarro, one of three known children of Martin Navarro and Petronila de Moctezuma (Francisca, Maria and Christobal). Not much is known about Christobal Navarro, but his name pops-up every now-and-then in church records. I probably would have missed Maria Gabai altogether had it not been for the marriage of one of her descendants to Elvira de Ulloa in 1689. Joseph de Torres married Elvira de Ulloa on 12 Apr 1689 at the church of Ntra. Sra. de los Dolores (source: LDS Film 0639756 Marriages 1753-1790 Teocaltiche, Jal. Mexico). A cattle driver from Nochistlan, Joseph was the great-grandson of Christobal Navarro, and his "pretensa" Elvira de Ulloa was the great-granddaughter of Francisca Gabai. In other words, Joseph de Torres was a third cousin of Elvira de Ulloa (Civil: VII, Canon: 4). This marriage required a dispensation from the Archbishop of Guadalajara. The information was extracted from an LDS microfilm by Maria de la Luz Montejano-Hilton and published in her very useful book "Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara" (No. 2518)
Teocaltiche, Jal. Enero 5 de 1689. Exp. 107-Dispensa de cuarto grado de consanguinidad.- Joseph de Torres, español de 30 años de edad, de oficio arriero, natural y vecino del Pueblo de Nochistlán, hijo legítimo de Juan de Torres, difunto y de Josepha de la Cruz, vecinos de dicho pueblo, y viudo de María de Lomelín; doña Elvira de Ulloa, española de 25 años de edad, natural y vecina del Pueblo de Teocaltiche, hija legítima de Juan de Ulloa y de Mariana de Ruvalcaba. Declaración del pretenso: Que Maria Gabai, mi abuela materna, era prima hermana de su abuela de la dicha contrayente. Declaración de Pedro Ortiz de Anda, español de 66 anos de edad: Cristóbal Navarro, fue hermano de Francisca Gabai, dicho Cristóbal Navarro, tuvo una hija natural llamada Maria Gabai, dicha Maria Gabai tuvo una hija de legitimo matrimonio llamada Josepha de la Cruz, madre del contrayente. Y Francisca Gabai, hermana del dicho Cristóbal Navarro, tuvo una hija de legitimo matrimonio llamada María Ruiz, y dicha María Ruiz, tuvo un hijo de legítimo matrimonio llamado Juan de Ulloa, padre de la contrayente. 10 fojas.
According to the information in Nicolas de Anda-Sanchez's book, the names of Joseph de La Cruz and Maria Gabai (or Navarro) are among those of the parents who confirmed their children in 1634. Confirmed were Tomasa, Josepha y Martin. This Josepha is the one that later married Juan de Torres, father of Joseph de Torres.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Regards,
Bill Figueroa
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From: "mcortez"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maria de Gabay
Thanks for checking John. However, I don't think this is the same Maria
de Gabay because the daughter that I descend from, Petrona de Siordia, was
married on 14 Feb 1616. That would make Petrona's year of birth around
1592. If Maria was about 25 years old at the time of Petrona's birth,
then...
Maria
Bill,
Thank you very much for sharing this information on Maria de Gabai. It's
difficult to keep the names straight when they repeat so often. The only
way I can do it is by annotating my sources after each entry, as you have
done.
Maria
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>
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> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 11:18:57 -0500
> From: "Bill Figueroa"
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Maria de Gabay
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> John, Maria, Jaime, Daniel and other genealogists interested in Petronila
> de Moctezuma:
>
> A couple of years ago I came across this Mar?a Gabai as part of my research
> on the founding families of Aguascalientes. I was intrigued by the name,
> thinking that she was directly related to Mar?a Gabai de Moctezuma. She is
> not. She is a descendant of Christobal Navarro, Maria's brother.
John,
Si, soy bilingue.
Jaime
Jaime R. Alvarado
Marisela,
Have you tried Nochistlan in your records search, it's a neighboring town, 30 km distance and there are many Quezadas.
Alicia Carrillo
San Jose, Calif
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Jaime,
Me alegro que te haya servido la información. Una aclaración con respecto
al apellido Gabai. Lo he visto escrito Gabai, Gabadi, Gavai, Gavaii, Gabay
y posiblemente de alguna otra forma. Yo he optado por Gabai ya que así es
como lo he encontrado escrito en la mayoría de registros. Sin embargo, en
ese tiempo no existían las reglas gramaticales como existen hoy día, por lo
que cada uno lo escribía como mejor le parecía.
Saludos,
Bill
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From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Las dos Marias Gabay: misterio resuelto
Bill,
Muchas gracias por la informacion para aclarar la relacion entre las dos
Marias (De Gabay y Gabai).
Thanks for the informacion to clarify the relationship between the two
Marias (De Gabay and
Gabai). Excelent research work.
Jaime
I would like everyone to at least give their first names when they reply
to an email message.
Some of us don't reply all that often and it is hard to tell exactly who
you are. You might just say something that might make us interested in
I hope I haven't added to the confusion. I've been using my Outlook Express
e-mail account, it appears to be faster. My posting messages appear as from
"papagaia2." My Yahoo e-mail account has Patricia Corbera. I try and sign
my messages using Pat or Pat Silva Corbera.
Pat Silva Corbera
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Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:23 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] List Etiquette
Joseph and everybody:
If you ever want to know who made a posting, simply click on their username or "handle" at the bottom of their posting from the website when you are logged in. That will take you to their profile where you can see their real name as well as their areas and surnames of research. You can also use the contact form to send them a personal email message.
Arturo, that's great! I had never noticed you could do that and often wonder where the person e-mailing lives.. makes it more personal when we know a little history abt Nuestros Members.
thanks for the tip!
Linda in B.C.
arturoramos wrote:
Joseph and everybody:
If you ever want to know who made a posting, simply click on their username or "handle" at the bottom of their posting from the website when you are logged in. That will take you to their profile where you can see their real name as well as their areas and surnames of research. You can also use the contact form to send them a personal email message.
Not making a rule but would like to say that with all the folks on the
list it would be best if we at a minimum end our messages with our
names. In past some have included the location of their residence but I
think at least a name would be appropriate.
No haciendo una regla pero gustaría decir que con toda la gente a la
lista sería lo mejor si a mínimo terminamos nuestros mensajes con
nuestros nombres. En pasado unos han incluido la posición de su
residencia pero pienso que al menos un nombre sería apropiado.
What do you all think?
Que piensan?
joseph
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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
I tend to agree. The e-mail addresses that accompany the messages don't
always correspond to the member's real name--which most of us have already
shared at one time or another with the grupo anyway.
Estoy de acuerdo. En algunos casos no corresponde la dirección de E-mail
con el nombre que de todas formas ha compartido el miembro con el grupo.
Karr Wolfe Romo
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Puentes
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:02 PM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
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Not making a rule but would like to say that with all the folks on the
list it would be best if we at a minimum end our messages with our
names. In past some have included the location of their residence but I
think at least a name would be appropriate.
No haciendo una regla pero gustaría decir que con toda la gente a la
lista sería lo mejor si a mínimo terminamos nuestros mensajes con
nuestros nombres. En pasado unos han incluido la posición de su
residencia pero pienso que al menos un nombre sería apropiado.
What do you all think?
Que piensan?
joseph
====================
Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
I agree, it's nice to now who you are writing to.
Maria Huerta
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From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 4:01 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] List Etiquette
Not making a rule but would like to say that with all the folks on the
list it would be best if we at a minimum end our messages with our
names. In past some have included the location of their residence but I
think at least a name would be appropriate.
No haciendo una regla pero gustaría decir que con toda la gente a la
lista sería lo mejor si a mínimo terminamos nuestros mensajes con
nuestros nombres. En pasado unos han incluido la posición de su
residencia pero pienso que al menos un nombre sería apropiado.
What do you all think?
Que piensan?
joseph
====================
Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
If you are a member receiving your email via the digest version please
change the Subject so our search engine will be able to properly
function. Do not click on "reply" and leave the subject line intact as
in "Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 30, Issue 8"
That subject line gives the reader very little evidence about the
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thanks for your cooperation in this matter,
joseph
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Joseph Puentes
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Hello everyone!!!
My grandfather's name is Mateo Quesada.? His parents were Emigdio Quezada and Micaela Ibarra.
Mateo Quesada was christened on 26 Sep 1881 @ Nuestra Senora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico.
Hola Marisela,
The Information you have written concerning someone buying a name is amazing. Merits some further research.
One of my ancestors is Severa Ybarra Rueda, who married Juan Jose Sosa Medina in 1830 or 1835. Although her husband was born in Durango, Mexico, I have not been able to find where she was born. During the great "cotton bonanza" of the Comarca Lagunera from approximately 1830 to 1940 several hundred families traveled from Zacatecas, Jalisco, S.L.Potosi, and Puebla as migrant workers. The Comarca Lagunera is Coahuila and Durango. My mother (80 years young) has told me that many of her uncles came from Zacatecas during this time and stayed in the Comarca Lagunera. I have traced her family to Zacatecas to the mid-1700's.
Try the last name Ybarra in Family Search. I'll keep an eye out for your Ibarra or Ybarra info as I do further research.
Raquel delao de Livington
hmtsam@aol.com wrote:
Hello everyone!!!
My grandfather's name is Mateo Quesada.? His parents were Emigdio Quezada and Micaela Ibarra.
Mateo Quesada was christened on 26 Sep 1881 @ Nuestra Senora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico.
I have no other information.? I think Mateo Quesada had brothers but there was a big fallout.
I was told that one of my ancestors came from Germany and "bought" the Quezada name from a family in Aguascalientes so he could stay in Mexico.? So I'm really stuck as to my geneology.? Does anyone know anything that might be able to help me or stear me in the right direction??? Any information would be of great help.
Marisela Quezada
Fresno, California
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Hello again everyone!!
I just learned of a new website.? www.pilot.familysearch.org
I found my grandfather there.? Hopefully someone can find it of some use.
Marisela Quezada
Fresno, California
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I found the following additional information on Maria Gabay:
"Gaspar Melchor y Maria Gabay se casaron el 24 de Julio de 1657" This looks like a second marriage for Maria Gabay.
John Gonzalez
Additional information on Maria Gabay.
Joseph de La Cruz and Maria Gabay appear on the list for Confirmations on June 27, 1648 in Teocaltiche, Jalisco. Their children confirmed were: Maria, Ana, Teresa and Juan. No other information is given.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16790
Could anyone in the group tell me what the word is right before "Zacatecana"? It looks like "F---ica". Is this a town where the bride was "originaria y vecina de"?
Hi Emily,
I think it says "La Fabrica Zacatecana" (The Zacatecan Factory). I just checked on a map online and there are two places near Guadalupe (5.6 km, 3-4 miles), one called "La Fábrica" and the other one "La Zacatecana" both with the same coordinates (latitude. 22.7333333°, longitude. -102.4833333°), so it may be just one town "La Fábrica Zacatecana", or sister towns.
In this map it only apperars as "La Zacatecana":
http://www.maps-of-mexico.com/zacatecas-state-mexico/zacatecas-state-me…
But in Google maps it only says "La Fábrica"
Hope this helps,
VN
Victoria,
Thank you. Arturo also read it as Fabrica, and on the old MSN Maps I found, near Ciudad Zacatecas, a town called La Fabrica and one called Zacatecana near each other, but not one called Fabrica Zacatecana. I think later it may have been split into two towns, from a former company town. I wonder what they made there.
Emilie
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Hi Emily,
I think it says "La Fabrica Zacatecana" (The Zacatecan Factory). I just checked on a map online and there are two places near Guadalupe (5.6 km, 3-4 miles), one called "La Fábrica" and the ohter one "La Zacatecana" both with the same coordinates (latitude. 22.7333333°, longitude. -102.4833333°), so it may be just one town "La Fábrica Zacatecana", or sister towns.
In this map it only apperars as "La Zacatecana":
http://www.maps-of-mexico.com/zacatecas-state-mexico/zacatecas-state-me…
But in Google maps it only says "La Fábrica"
Hope this helps,
VN
Hi Emily,
I found that in 1848 Antonio García Salinas founded the textile factory (fábrica de hilados y tejidos) "La Zacatecana” in Guadalupe, Zacatecas.
Also about 3 years ago they tried to move "rock by rock" the facade of the abandoned factory to a brand new housing complex in Zacatecas, but the National Institute of Antropology and History (INAH) prevented them from doing this.
Here are the links:
http://201.120.149.127/2005/11/14/capital3.htm
http://www.guadalupe-zacatecas.gob.mx/index.php?option=com_content&task…
VN
Victoriano, (sorry I addressed you as Victoria last time),
Thank you so much for this information. My father Guadalupe Olague was born in Jerez de Garcia Salinas, and his sister was born in Guadalupe. I have never found any birth records for them, I guess they were destroyed during the Revolution.
The only way I was able to find anything about my father's ancestors was through his father's birth and marriage records in the Tepetongo church. They must have moved from Salitrillo where they lived for centuries to Guadalupe and Jerez right before my father and his sister were born in 1903 and 1899 respectively. I can't find anything about his mother's side of the family. In 1913 what remained of all of my father's immediate paternal family relocated to the US and they never returned to Mexico, not even to visit. My grandfather and his brother-in-law were soldiers that were scheduled to be executed by a firing squad, but they escaped.
So Fabrica Zacatecana was a textile factory; how interesting. I wonder if any of my ancestors worked there.
Thanks again for the links.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: victorianonavarro
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Translation Request
Hi Emily,
I found that in 1848 Antonio García Salinas founded the textile factory (fábrica de hilados y tejidos) "La Zacatecana” in Guadalupe, Zacatecas.
Also about 3 years ago they tried to move "rock by rock" the facade of the abandoned factory to a brand new housing complex in Zacatecas, but the National Institute of Antropology and History (INAH) prevented them from doing this.
Here are the links:
http://201.120.149.127/2005/11/14/capital3.htm
http://www.guadalupe-zacatecas.gob.mx/index.php?option=com_content&task…
VN
Victoriano,
I found something interesting in the Historia de Guadalupe link below.
I told you that I have never found any records for my father's mother. She was Gorgonia Garcia, and her parents were Ignacio Garcia and Maria Guadalupe Rodriguez. I see that those two surnames Garcia and Rodriguez were prominent in Guadalupe, that Jose Maria Rodriguez was a patriot who was "fusilado" as they threatened to do to my grandfather Francisco Olague and his brother-in-law Jose Garcia Davila, that in fact the town was named Villa de Guadalupe de Rodriguez, and that around the same time Antonio Garcia Salinas established his textile business there. I wonder if Gorgonia was related to them. Of course, Garcia and Rodriguez are so common as surnames. Just a thought.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: victorianonavarro
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Translation Request
Hi Emily,
I found that in 1848 Antonio García Salinas founded the textile factory (fábrica de hilados y tejidos) "La Zacatecana” in Guadalupe, Zacatecas.
Also about 3 years ago they tried to move "rock by rock" the facade of the abandoned factory to a brand new housing complex in Zacatecas, but the National Institute of Antropology and History (INAH) prevented them from doing this.
Here are the links:
http://201.120.149.127/2005/11/14/capital3.htm
http://www.guadalupe-zacatecas.gob.mx/index.php?option=com_content&task…
VN
Hi Emilie,
Sorry I called you Emily before ;)
Probalby you have already tried this but... another way to find about your ancestors is going over the birth, marriage or death record books several years before and after your ancestors were born, married, etc. Sometimes you won't find them, but you will find a sibling or cousin. I found a brother of my grandfather nobody in the family knew of, probably because he died as an infant. So even if you think your father only had a sister, he might have had other siblings that died young and their birth, baptism or death records may have interesting information on your family. Also sometimes people would register their children until they were a little older (1-5 years).
Warmest regards,
VN
That is so true. I thought my father had one brother and one sister who died as an infant, BUT...2 months ago I discovered that he had had 3 other brothers who had died very young.
Jose Carlos de Leon
Emily,
I believe it is feligres or feligresia which would mean parish or parishoner.......we'll see what responses you get from the brains in the group.
Alicia
----- Original Message ----
From: Emilie Garcia
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 11:08:10 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Translation Request
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16790
Could anyone in the group tell me what the word is right before "Zacatecana"? It looks like "F---ica". Is this a town where the bride was "originaria y vecina de"?
This is from a marriage record from the Sagrario in Zacatecas, Zacatecas, 1886. the groom was from Guadalupe, which I know is a town near Ciudad Zacatecas.
Thanks,
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA
I agree with Alicia Carrillo. The word is most likely 'feligresia'. The only other words which would "fit" in that slot are: "curato" or "jurisdiccion". The feminine article rules out the first one. Your word in question definitely begins with the letter 'F'.
David Delgado, Albany, CA
-----Original Message-----
>From: Emilie Garcia
>Sent: May 28, 2008 11:08 AM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Translation Request
>
>
>
>http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16790
>
>Could anyone in the group tell me what the word is right before "Zacatecana"? It looks like "F---ica". Is this a town where the bride was "originaria y vecina de"?
>
>This is from a marriage record from the Sagrario in Zacatecas, Zacatecas, 1886. the groom was from Guadalupe, which I know is a town near Ciudad Zacatecas.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Emilie Garcia
>Port Orchard, WA
Emilie,
>From what I can see it says "Fedrica".
Jonathan
--------- Original Message --------
From: research@nuestrosranchos.org
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Translation Request
Date: 05/28/08 06:08
>
>
>
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16790
>
> Could anyone in the group tell me what the word is right before
"Zacatecana"? It looks like "F---ica". Is this a town
where the bride was "originaria y vecina de"?
>
> This is from a marriage record from the Sagrario in Zacatecas, Zacatecas,
1886. the groom was from Guadalupe, which I know is a town near Ciudad
Zacatecas.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA
I always have trouble figuring out the relationship when there is a
marriage "consanguinidad"
how do you figure out the "grados de consanguinidad"
how do you interpret "Civil VI, Canon 3" por instance
also: in English we have the terms "second cousin once removed" in Spanish
we refer in popular terms as relationship like "sobrino o tio"
Can some one help me to understand all of these, I been doing genealogy for
a long time and here is where I get stuck
HELP
Sylvia,
The following charts may help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Relatives_Chart.svg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Canon_law_relationship_chart.svg
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04264a.htm
http://www.heirsearch.com/table.htm
They may also just confuse the issue futher. ;-)
Good Luck,
Angie Godina
Thank you Angie Godina for the information provided to understand the Civil
and Canon Laws.
You right a little bit more confusing but it gave me more understanding on
how the relationships are calculated.
Sylvia H Corona
John,
I understand that children's surnames often do not match the patrilineal usage we employ today. However, often (but not always) those 'inconsistencies' have a 'logical' explanation. In the example of Gertrudis, Nava was her mother's surname. Other siblings took the Munoz from the mother side, while others the Gonzalez from the Paternal Grandfather in all sorts of combinations (with or without de Hermosillo). However, I wonder whether anyone knows of an Extracted Record that lists Ramirez de Hermosillo for members of that family. All the ones I've seen listed are Submitted Records. I wonder if all started with a transcription error (Ramirez instead of Gonzalez) with that error becoming perpetuated over time. By contrast, I do find Gonzalez Hermosillo as a surname asociated to Diego Alonso de Hermosillo's children. Just wondering.
Thanks John
Last night I found the following on Alonso marriage to Luisa:
Dio. Alonso de Hermosillo y Luysa de Nava
23 Feb 1645 Nuestra Senora de los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico
M60286 (marriages 1637-1669) 0639754.
Last names were very inconsistent, to say the least. Did you notice that:
Catarina and Juan were "Gonzalez de Hermosillo", but their sister was
Gertrudis "de Nava" ? I have come across this before, where siblings from
the same family will have different last names.
Aristocracy and wealth at work!
Thank you for the info.
John Gonzalez
----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 09:38
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Alonso de Hermosillo
> Thanks John
> Last night I found the following on Alonso marriage to Luisa...
Jaime,
Segun los datos que tengo yo, Juana Alderete era hija de Francisco Alderete
y Elvira de Padilla.
Francisco Alderete era natural de Torrelobaton, Valladolid, Espana y murio
el 25 Nov 1683 en Teocaltiche, Jalisco. Estos datos los encontre en el
Muchas gracias Maria,
La informacion me es muy util. Me pregunto cual era la relacion de Maria de Gabay con Ana Francisca de Gabay la esposa de Lope Ruiz Esparza?
Jaime
-------------- Original message --------------
From: mcortez
> Jaime,
>
> Segun los datos que tengo yo, Juana Alderete era hija de Francisco Alderete
> y Elvira de Padilla.
>
> Francisco Alderete era natural de Torrelobaton, Valladolid, Espana y murio
> el 25 Nov 1683 en Teocaltiche, Jalisco. Estos datos los encontre en el
> libro Retonos de Espana del Lic. Mariano Gonzalez-Leal.
>
> Los padres de Elvira de Padilla eran Juan de Padilla y Petrona de Siordia.
> Juan de Padilla y Petrona de Siordia se casaron el 14 Feb 1616 en El
> Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes (batch #M604761, microfilm
> #0299421).
>
> Los padres de Petrona de Siordia eran Pedro Fernandez de Vaulus y Maria de
> Gabay.
>
> Ojala que te sirva esta informacion.
>
> Maria Cortez
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:24:00 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Jaime Alvarado
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Massias (Macias) Valades con De Hermosillo
> > de Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos
> >
> >
> > Una rama de mis ancestros Santoyo-Macias que vivian en la region de Ojuelos
> > me lleva por la parte materna a Pedro Nolasco Macias que se caso con: Maria
> > de los Reyes Aranda, el 6 de Julio de 1710, en Cienega de Mata, Ojuelos,
> > Jalisco. En la copia del acta de matrimonio aparencen listados los padres de
> > Pedro: Sebastian Masias Valades y Juana de Hermosillo, que debieron haber
> > nacido alrededor de 1690, y a partir de esos datos encuentro que los abuelos
> > paternos fueron Juan Macias Valades y Juana Dominguez, y los abuelos
> > maternos: Diego Alonso de Hermosillo y Juana Alderete.
> >
> >
> >
Hola Primos,what is the relationship of Joseph Macias Valdez to Nicolas Macias Valadez and Leonor Retamosa
Ronnie
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Ronnie,
Nicolás Macías Valadez and Leonor de Retamosa lived about 75 years earlier
than Joseph Macías Valadez and Catalina de la Vega. I suppose Joseph was
their descendant, but have no information to prove it. He may have been a
grandson or great-grandson, if we consider generations to be about 25 years
apart.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ronald Reynoso"
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:26 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Joseph Macias Valadez/ Catalina de La Vega
Hola Primos,what is the relationship of Joseph Macias Valdez to Nicolas
Macias Valadez and Leonor Retamosa...
Hola Bill ,I was wondering if this was Diego's second marriage ? I have Diego married to Luisa Munoz de Nava around 1644/45.
Primo Ronnie
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Yes, it is good to hear your position on this, Joseph. I have been in other
forums for other groups and, one of my own postings I had no idea was
controversial, drew a very harsh attack from someone else in the group,
Oh, well said, Corrine. Well said.
Joseph, keep up the good and very important work that you do. You are
appreciated.
Veronica Vidaure Rahorn
Gilbert, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Corrine Ardoin"
To:
Sent: 28 June, 2008 13:55
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Moderator's Position
> Yes, it is good to hear your position on this, Joseph. I have been in
> other
> forums for other groups and, one of my own postings I had no idea was
> controversial, drew a very harsh attack from someone else in the group,
> which ultimately led to my dropping out (related to birdwatching in this
> particular forum). The moderator of that group took the position
> similarly,
> that it was okay to be controversial and have discussions, but not to
> attack
> others or be mean-spirited. Nevertheless, I dropped out, because of
> elitists in the group continually criticizing my amateur-level experience
> on
> the topic.
> What I have learned from these forums for serious folks, whether
> birdwatching or genealogy, is that there must not only be room for the
> beginner to learn from the more experienced, without being put-down for
> their inexperience, but there must also be room for healthy discussion.
> For, how else do we all learn and move forward in our searching, but by
> connecting to one another, helping one another along, as is the purpose of
> this group. When I connect with all of you in Nuestros Ranchos, I am
> bringing you all into my home. I may be sitting here at the computer,
> hundreds of miles away from many of you, clicking the Send button when
> I've
> finished typing my message. But, the spirit of our shared journey in
> uncovering and learning of our individual family histories, is not so much
> to take pride in how different we are from one another, but more so to be
> comforted by how alike we truly are.
>
> Corrine Ardoin
> Santa Maria, California
Joseph Puentes: A simple "thank you" does not seem sufficient to you for orchestrating this research site, and maintaining its integrity. Having the pleasure of meeting you, I can say that you are such a magnificent person.
Through your creation of Nuestros Ranchos, many of us have found lost cousins, and developed some wonderful friendships.
You are an astonishing humanitarian.
Sincerely,
Helyn
Oh, well said, Corrine. Well said.
Joseph, keep up the good and very important work that you do. You are
appreciated.
Veronica Vidaure Rahorn
Gilbert, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Corrine Ardoin"
To:
Sent: 28 June, 2008 13:55
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Moderator's Position
> Yes, it is good to hear your position on this, Joseph. I have been in
> other
> forums for other groups and, one of my own postings I had no idea was
> controversial, drew a very harsh attack from someone else in the group,
> which ultimately led to my dropping out (related to birdwatching in this
> particular forum). The moderator of that group took the position
> similarly,
> that it was okay to be controversial and have discussions, but not to
> attack
> others or be mean-spirited. Nevertheless, I dropped out, because of
> elitists in the group continually criticizing my amateur-level experience
> on
> the topic.
> What I have learned from these forums for serious folks, whether
> birdwatching or genealogy, is that there must not only be room for the
> beginner to learn from the more experienced, without being put-down for
> their inexperience, but there must also be room for healthy discussion.
> For, how else do we all learn and move forward in our searching, but by
> connecting to one another, helping one another along, as is the purpose of
> this group. When I connect with all of you in Nuestros Ranchos, I am
> bringing you all into my home. I may be sitting here at the computer,
> hundreds of miles away from many of you, clicking the Send button when
> I've
> finished typing my message. But, the spirit of our shared journey in
> uncovering and learning of our individual family histories, is not so much
> to take pride in how different we are from one another, but more so to be
> comforted by how alike we truly are.
>
> Corrine Ardoin
> Santa Maria, California
Monday, July 7, 2008
To The Ranchos Group--
It is nice when we can share our talents.
One of the people who is in the Ranchos group, spoke
to me recently about trying to get information on her
relative born in Portesuelo, Jalisco. My husband and
I drove there this morning and were able to get a
modern copy of a birth certificate (70 pesos) that she
need for the years between 1880-1882. It was a simple
process and took 10 minutes or less. All I did was
give the approximate years and the names of the child
and parents. When I see my Rancho´s friend, I am sure
she is going to be so happy.
I wish the same for the rest of you, as you do your
research and reach out to others.
Sincerely,
Patricia Burton
Santa Rita, Ayotlan, Jalisco
& San Diego, Ca.
--- Santos Luna wrote:
> Joseph Puentes: A simple "thank you" does not seem
> sufficient to you for orchestrating this research
> site, and maintaining its integrity. Having the
> pleasure of meeting you, I can say that you are such
> a magnificent person.
>
> Through your creation of Nuestros Ranchos, many of
> us have found lost cousins, and developed some
> wonderful friendships.
> You are an astonishing humanitarian.
>
> Sincerely,
> Helyn
>
>
>
>
>
> Oh, well said, Corrine. Well said.
>
> Joseph, keep up the good and very important work
> that you do. You are
> appreciated.
>
> Veronica Vidaure Rahorn
> Gilbert, AZ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Corrine Ardoin"
> To:
> Sent: 28 June, 2008 13:55
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Moderator's Position
>
>
> > Yes, it is good to hear your position on this,
> Joseph. I have been in
> > other
> > forums for other groups and, one of my own
> postings I had no idea was
> > controversial, drew a very harsh attack from
> someone else in the group,
> > which ultimately led to my dropping out (related
> to birdwatching in this
> > particular forum). The moderator of that group
> took the position
> > similarly,
> > that it was okay to be controversial and have
> discussions, but not to
> > attack
> > others or be mean-spirited. Nevertheless, I
> dropped out, because of
> > elitists in the group continually criticizing my
> amateur-level experience
> > on
> > the topic.
> > What I have learned from these forums for serious
> folks, whether
> > birdwatching or genealogy, is that there must not
> only be room for the
> > beginner to learn from the more experienced,
> without being put-down for
> > their inexperience, but there must also be room
> for healthy discussion.
> > For, how else do we all learn and move forward in
> our searching, but by
> > connecting to one another, helping one another
> along, as is the purpose of
> > this group. When I connect with all of you in
> Nuestros Ranchos, I am
> > bringing you all into my home. I may be sitting
> here at the computer,
> > hundreds of miles away from many of you, clicking
> the Send button when
> > I've
> > finished typing my message. But, the spirit of our
> shared journey in
> > uncovering and learning of our individual family
> histories, is not so much
> > to take pride in how different we are from one
> another, but more so to be
> > comforted by how alike we truly are.
> >
> > Corrine Ardoin
> > Santa Maria, California
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>
>
Patricia!
I am so excited!! You did what my mother and grandmother couldn't do,
and that was to find the birth record of my great-grandmother, Guadalupe
Vaca Velasquez from Portezuelo, Jalisco. That is totally incredible and
I can't wait to get home from visiting my Son Dave in Northern
California and come and find you (around August 3 to 7). THANK YOU,
THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!
--Esther Jordan
619 934-8704
patricia burton wrote:
> Monday, July 7, 2008
>
> To The Ranchos Group--
>
> It is nice when we can share our talents.
>
> One of the people who is in the Ranchos group, spoke
> to me recently about trying to get information on her
> relative born in Portesuelo, Jalisco. My husband and
> I drove there this morning and were able to get a
> modern copy of a birth certificate (70 pesos) that she
> need for the years between 1880-1882. It was a simple
> process and took 10 minutes or less. All I did was
> give the approximate years and the names of the child
> and parents. When I see my Rancho´s friend, I am sure
> she is going to be so happy.
>
> I wish the same for the rest of you, as you do your
> research and reach out to others.
>
> Sincerely,
> Patricia Burton
> Santa Rita, Ayotlan, Jalisco
> & San Diego, Ca.
>
>
>
I would like to add a comment and just say "Thank You Joseph" for your website. I have been a genealogist for the past 17 years and have met so many people via the internet who have become distant cousins, just as in this group. In fact I did meet a close cousin who I had gone to high school with from this group.
As a hispanic and a genealogist I think we should all be proud of the work we are doing. It gives us a sense of what/who we are, whether we are old timers at research or newbies...I for one am always learning something new....and I enjoy sharing my new-found knowledge with others. I have many family members who are not interested in my work, and I'm fine with that...but I know that what I do, I am leaving a legacy for future generations. And maybe one day they will say, "Thank you for the hard work"
Again, Thank you Joseph
Rose Hardy
Fresno, CA
Hello Everyone,
My investigation has lead me to Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza and her father Lope Ruiz de Esparza with an anknown mother. Searching here in Nuestros Ranchos I found that her mother was Francisca Gabai Navarro de Moctezuma and Francisca's mother's name was Petronila Navarro and her father was Martin Navarro. Supposibly there is a Cortez/ Moctezuma connection threw Petronila.
Hola Sofia! I too descend from this line along with abt 85% of this group as well descend from Lope, Lord of Esparza the fact is there is little evidence to which line Petronila comes from Cortes or Valderrama? We're not sure due to the lack of evidence in the early years of the Spanish colonization of Nueva Espana. I can somewhat determine due to the time and age of people she should descend from Hernando Cortes but this group and spanish genealogists as well are divided into who believe we descend from Cortes or Valderrama; it is also hard to determine since there are abt 5 Leonors who are either half sisters, cousins and such. Moctezuma had Isabel and Leonor, Isabel married Cortes and Leonor married Valderrama from here it's where thing gets complicated. Although we do know Petronila de Moctezuma should have at least be a great grandchild of the aztec emperor. -Daniel MdC
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Gracias Daniel!
I knew you would answer with information I need.
It is so greatly appreciated!
Sofia
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Hi Sofia,
You are right. Many of us in the group are part of that family line. I'm traveling right now and don't have the info with me, ill send tomorrow.
Saludos!
Sandra Gomez Mendoza
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Thank you so much Sandra I really appreciate it.
Sofia> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> From: sandragomezmendoza@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 23:10:08 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Lope Ruiz de Esparza.........question/pregunta> > Hi Sofia,> > You are right. Many of us in the group are part of that family line. I'm traveling right now and don't have the info with me, ill send tomorrow. > > Saludos!> Sandra Gomez Mendoza
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