Ximenes/Lomelin in Mexticacan-Nochistlan

Hello, does anyone have information on the parents of Antonia Lomelin married to Joseph Ximenes? They had a son named Manuel Ximenes Lomelin born 08/04/1721 • Mexticacán. There is so much useful data on Carlo Lomellini on this site- who I am a descendant through Francisco Gutierres Rubio's lineage - son Lasaro and his son Lasaro....

I am researching my maternal Ximenes lineage and I was wondering if Antonia Lomelin is the granddaughter or great granddaughter of Carlo. I have not found her or Joseph's birth records, yet I recently began this specific research. I place their birth dates right around 1700 since Antonia and Joseph Ximenes had children from 1720-1750 recorded in Nochistlan; born in Mexticacan.

Cynthia Jimenez

María de Isla y Moctezuma

Estimado Señores:

Ya por bastante tiempo he tenido interés en esta dama, María de Isla y Moctezuma casada con Andrés Martín Camacho; de aquí proviene las familias Martínez de Sotomayor o Martín de Sotomayor y pues por supuesto los Martín Camacho del Real y Minas de Sierra de Pinos. Quisiera saber si alguien ha probado la línea de María de Isla y Moctezuma, no he podido encontrar nada sobre ésta.

De esta pareja desciendo de su hijo del capitán Isidro Martín de Sotomayor casó a Josefa López de la Cerda hacia 1675 en Aguascalientes o Pinos.

Me pregunto dos cosas: ¿cómo si hay relación con la familias González de Isla o Isla de Nochistlán y porqué utiliza el apellido Moctezuma hay una conexción entre ésta y el emperador azteca?

Les envío mis saludos y gracias antemano,

Daniel Méndez Camino

Diego de la Puente

>
>
> Thank you for sharing your findings. I looked through the oldest
> marriages (Matrimonios 1644-1709, 1724-1750) in Venado, but there are gaps
> in the records. Have you had any luck in finding Catalina's marriage
> records?

> Maria
>

> -
>
> I am still in the process of trying to locate marriages for the children
> and
> locating older records. San Luis Potosi records for the most part have not
> been indexed. Catalina Rodriguez abt 1645 cc: Francisco Lopes -Joseph Lopes
> abt 1663 cc Ynes Solano Velasco M: 23 NOV 1682 Santa Maria De Los Lagos,
> Jal.
> -Nicolas Lopez abt 1661 cc Simona Martines1663 M: 05 OCT 1678 Venado,San
> Luis
> Potosi,Mexico Catalina Rodriguez abt 1645 cc: Diego de la Puente Children
> are
> as follows: Maria De La Puente cc Juan De Elizondo Muñoz 1670–Deceased •
> LZDH-QJN https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9GLK-WCC Antonio De
> La
> Puente cc Maria De La Cruz M: abt 1698 1675–Deceased • 9SQF-5GD
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9GLK-W8P Olalla Puente
> Rodrigues
> 1678–Deceased • 9SQL-5SC Joseph Francisco De La Puente cc: Antonia
> Gallegos (ovalle) M: 28 SEP 1707 Venado,San Luis Potosi,Mexico
> 1683–Deceased • MTY6-QXF
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>

Looking for the parents of Joseph Eusebio Tello de Orozco

Please Help!

I descend from Joseph Eusebio Tello de Orosco and Ana Beatriz Gutierrez

They are related "segundo grado" according to their marriage record. That would mean that they are first cousins. The record also states that there is a marriage dispensation, but I haven't found it. I have her ancestors but am having trouble finding his. I am not even sure if I am correctly reading his parents names. I would like to hear other members opinions as to his parent's names.

Here is the link:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KMSZ-P1?mode=g&i=158&wc=3J…

Joseph Husebio De Orosco
Spouse's Name Beatris Gutierres
Event Date 12 Jun 1752
Event Place Tepatitlan De Morelos,Jalisco,Mexico
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCF3-WPV : 15 July 2015), Joseph Husebio De Orosco and Beatris Gutierres, 12 Jun 1752; citing Tepatitlan De Morelos,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 218,517.

Plan B would be to get all her uncles and aunts families together and see if I can figure out how they are first cousins.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

WIFE LOOKING FOR HER DAD

i am praying that there is someone that can shed some light, my wife is 38 years old was never told who her father was, until recent being at 38 years old heart breaking, the infomation she obtain is his name is Jilberto Nolasco was in a reationship in Iraprato Guanajuato back in 1977 he work as a supervisor at DF federal carrilio for the people, he has a son around 13-14 years of age arounf the year 1978 i have been serching for him not sure if the first name is spelled correctly but i would like to make contact with sibblings on behalf of my wife or even if someone can direct me to research the artchve for the df carrill in guanajuato. thank you and please help me to have my wife reunite her with her family as she is hurt for all the years that have past and noit knowing who her dad was please help to bring this to a closure for her thank you and god bless

Diego de la Puente SLP

I have a Diego de la Puente married to Catalina López in my tree. I have
found 3 of their children: Ysabel born in 1683, Juana in 1684 and Joseph
Francisco born abt 1685 and baptized in San Sebastian, Venado, San Luis
Potosí. I would like to compare notes and see if this is the same Diego you
are researching.

Maria

> Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2017 09:30:18 -0700 (PDT)
> From: sarod77@hotmail.com
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Thomas de la Puente Line
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> It seems almost all of the de la Puente (puente) lines are related. Each
> time
> I come across a de la Puente, I add to their line or keep it to see how
> they
> fit. I have Diego de la Puente and Rodrigues your relatives but have not
> found more records to confirm he is Thomas is son or relative. I came
> acroos
> him when I found Nicolas their son 21 Sep 1693 • San Sebastian,Venado,San
> Luis Potosi,Mexico. they have 13 children so far. based on the possible
> births I can look for their marriage record will let you when I find more.
> Your other relatives I have found but there seems to be two contreras and
> nicolas pretty sure they are the same only thing their sons are named
> nicolas
> and both have birthdates that are different. Will look to see if they are
> same.
>
>
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San Isidro, Apozol, Zacatecas

I recently found the primary family I'm researching in Jalisco had moved over to "San Isidro, Apozol, Zacatecas" by the 1930 census. When I Google this, I keep getting a place called "Los Llamas."

Does anyone know anything of this rancho - San Isidro, Apozol? Does anyone have any contacts in that area?

I'm hitting a wall with death records, marriages. Several of the family members eventually went back to Villa Guerrero/Totatiche to marry, but I have some holes for that period between 1930 and 1950. One of the daughters and Magdalena, the mother, died later in Guadalajara.

I'd really like to get more recent than 1930, too. Here is the family.

Gumesindo Serrano, 55
Madalena Rios, 35
Ricardo Serrano, 15
Feliz Serrano, 12
Fransisco Serrano,10
Olibia Serrano, 6
Elena Serrano, 4

Gumersindo is the son of Jose Felix Serrano and the family traces back to Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman for generations.

Is any of this familiar to anyone?

Thanks!

Chilchota, Michoacan & 17th Century

En los libros de registros de la parroquia de Chilchota, se analizo que los indigenas era registrados en un libro aparte, los espanoles en otro libro aparte y las demas razas juntos con mulatos, mextizo etc...en otro libro.

Tambien se oberva que negros y mulatos llevaban el apellido "de la Cruz" que le fue impuesto por los espanoles para indentificarlos ya que no tenian un apellido anteriormente. A los mestizos les pusieron como apellido "de la Paz"

Hay veces, como en la esclava mulata de Juan Alvarez del Castillo, tenia una esclava que se llamaba Mariana de Lupiana - como ella era la esclava de su mujer, le pusieron "Lupiana" para identificarla como su propiedad.

So it appears that in the early church records of Chilchota, Michoacan, separate books were kept for those who were Spaniards, Indian, Mulattoes, and Mestizos.

It was also observed that black and mulatto slaves were given the last name of "de la Cruz" to identify them as they had not had a surname. With the mestizos, they gave them the last name of "de la Paz".

Sometimes, as in the case of Juan Alvarez del Castillo, he had a slave mulatto named Mariana de Lupiana. Since this slave belonged to his wife, she was given the last name of "Lupiana", which was his wife's last name - all done to indentify the slave as their property.

Diaz Family - Tepatitlan De Morelos, Jalisco, also Luna - Mayahua De Estrada, Zacatecas

Hello, I am new to the group and in the process of researching my father's family (Diaz) which is from Tepatitlan De Morelos, Jalisco. I have included what I know so far. I am still awaiting some records from the Family History Center. I will also be researching the Luna line in Mayahua De Estrada, Zacatecas as my father's mother was a Luna. I just wanted to post this message in case anyone just happens to have some information and/or I can be of any help in the future. Also, If I should post this information somewhere else, let me know. I also have this information entered into ancestry.com. Thank you for your time.

Reye Diaz

Sample:

1. Reye Diaz – 1968 – Still Living – Sacramento, CA. - Me

2.
Camillo Nicholas Diaz – July 18, 1923 – December 2, 2002
Went by Nick C. Diaz. World War II Veteran, Army Ranger, Born in Merino Colorado, died in Sacramento, CA. Married twice. Son of Joseph Diaz and Juanita Luna

3.
Joseph Maria Diaz – July 5, 1896 – May 15, 1968
Went by Joe Diaz. Farmer and Bootlegger. Born in Tepatitlan De Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico.
Documents: Civil records from Tepatitlan, maintain original document, show a Jose Ma. Diaz was born on July 5, 1896 to a Julio Diaz and Romana Nario. These same records also show the parent of Julio Diaz to be Encarnacion Diaz & Regina Ramirez and the parents of Romana Nario to be Juan Nario and Gregoria Camerena. Married to Juanita Magallenas Luna who, according to original Civil documents from Mayahua De Estrada, Zacatecas, was born on January 6, 1904. While in the U.S., she maintained a DOB of December 7, 1903. She died in March of 1903 in Sacramento. Have not committed to her genealogy but have been able to determine that her mother was named Albina Magallanez -1867 (Zacatecas) –1941 (Salinas, CA). and her father was named C. Florencio Luna who was born in 1868 in Mexico (Zacatecas).

4. Julio Diaz (abt: 1850) - Not sure of DOB, have ordered Micorfiche through the Mormon Church. Through Familysearch.org, have been able to determine that a Julio Dias Ramires was christened on April 15, 1850 in Tepatitlan De Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico. His parent were Encarnacion Diaz and Regina Ramires. Batch # C603712, Source Call # 0218458.

5. Encarnacion Diaz – Not sure of DOB, have ordered Micorfiche through the Mormon Church. Through Familysearch.org, have been able to determine that an Encarnacion Dias was married June 21, 1849 to a Regina Ramires in Tepatitlan De Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico. This same records show the parents of Encarnacion Dias to be a Juan Jose Diaz & Crecensia Gomez. Batch #M603735, Source Call #0218525.

6. Juan Jose Diaz - Not sure of DOB, have ordered Micorfiche through the Mormon Church. Through Familysearch.org, have been able to determine that a Juan Jose Diaz Castellano was married June 24, 1811 to a Crecensia Gomez in Tepatitlan De Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico. This same records show the parents of Juan Jose Diaz to be a Nicolas Diaz Castellano & Teresa De Asebes. Batch #M603728, Source Call #0218519.

7. Jose Nicolas Dias - Not sure of DOB, have ordered Micorfiche through the Mormon Church. Through Familysearch.org, have been able to determine that a Jose Nicolas Diaz was married February 2, 1788 to a Teresa De Asebes in Tepatitlan De Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico. This same records show the parents of Nicolas Dias to be a Manuel Dias & Maria Ana Peres. Batch #M603728, Source Call #0218519.

8.

Joseph Manuel Dias - Not sure of DOB, Through Familysearch.org, have been able to determine that a Joseph Manuel Dias was married June 25, 1752 to a Maria Anna Peres in Tepatitlan De Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico. Does not show parents. Batch #M603726, Source Call #0218517.

for Katy Bretch

Katy we had discussed who the parents of Teresa Carlos de Godoy in Jerez, Zac were and this dispensation for her daughter Gertrudis Fernandez to Francisco Acuna to marriage shows her father. Mystery solved.
Linda Castanon-Long in Olympia, Wa.

source: sagrada mitra record # 1405 167994 film marriages 1725-1726
page 254 Familysearch online program
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18403-32781-90?cc=1874591&wc…
page 76 Familysearch online program

Apellidos con "de", "y" / Apellidos matrimoniales

Saludos a todos, les tengo una pregunta: en la epoca colonial era costumbre ponerle a los apellidos con "de", como mi ancestro José Doroteo de Castro, español de las Barrancas de Zacoalco de Torres. Su apellido materno de Doroteo era "Solórzano". Mi pregunta es si en esos tiempos se les pondría o se les consideraba como "José Doroteo de Castro y Solórzano"? Tambien como sería la forma correcta de escribir esos apellidos?

Mi otra pregunta es de los apellidos matrimoniales que normalmente se usan con "de". Tengo entendido que en los tiempos del virreinato a las mujeres no se les agregaba el apellido del esposo. En que tiempo se les empezó a poner el nombre matrimonial a las mujeres?

Como mi tatarabuela Sabina Villalvaso Corona quien se caso con mi tatarabuelo Ignacio Castro Rodríguez, sería "Sabina Villalvaso Corona de Castro" o "Sabina Villalvaso de Castro". Se casaron approximadamente en los 1850s. Se les puede referir con su apellido de matrimonio?

Gracias,
Valente.

Gauging interest for Matrimonial Dispensations from Valladolid (Morelia, Michoacán, Mexico).

Hola Primos!

As many of us have found out, there are lots of us with ancestors who came from the "Antiguo Obispado de Michoacán". The old Obispado de Michoacán covered a vast area; Guanajuato, San Luis Potosí, Michoacan, Colima, and some towns close to the Jalisco/Michoacán border (La Barca, Ocotlan, Poncitlan, Tamazula, etc). I've explored some of the records from the old Obispado de Michoacán that are up on familysearch.org, under the church records for Morelia. They are a veritable treasure trove! However, there's no indexes that I know of, are there? That said, I have some questions:

Is there any interest in getting the records indexed in similar fashion as to what www.guadalajaradispensas.com and Guadalajara Dispenss.tumblr.com are doing?

Has anyone else indexed the records or started to?

If there's interest and no one has indexed the records, would folks be willing to lend a hand with some of the indexing?

Thanks for you time,

Daniel Serna Valencia

Rio de Coculiten/Tlaltenango ???

Hi,

hmmm first time I saw that it was referred to as the Rio de Coculiten
and not just plain Coculiten. in another record it is called Ranchos de
Cuculiten.

I was just looking over a 1752 record of Clofia Diaz being baptised
whose parents were my GGGGGG grandparents: Bicente Diaz and Maria del
Carmen Rodrigues. My question is more about the padrinos: Does this
couple ring a bell for anyone:

Francisco Damacio Rodrigues and Fermina Laurelia Pinedo ? I know some of
you are doing Pinedo research and though this couple might provoke a
comment.

thanks,

joseph

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Genealogy)

DNA Results - Great Britain?

I recently took an Ancestry.com DNA test and when I got the results I was a bit puzzled. From my research I was expecting mainly Spanish, Native American and maybe some Mediterranean traces but I was surprised to see a high percentage of Great Britain 25%. Has anyone else from the Jalisco region received similar results?
Thanks!

Familias Antiguas de Tlaltenango

Mi libro sobre las familias antiguas de Tlaltenango que incluye padrones y transcripciones de registros parroquiales de los siglos XVII y XVIII del pueblo de Tlaltenango, así como mapas ineditos de la región de la misma época de la región ya está disponible a la venta en:

http://www.lulu.com/product/tapa-blanda/familias-antiguas-de-tlaltenang…

My book on the early families of Tlaltenango which includes censuses and transcriptions of parish registries from the 17th and 18th centuries from the town of Tlaltenango, as well as previously unpublished maps of the region from the same time period, is now available for sale at:

http://www.lulu.com/product/tapa-blanda/familias-antiguas-de-tlaltenang…

Ponce de León anybody?

Good morning primos!
The present post is to ask for help in my Ponce de León line.Though this branch of the Ponces doesn't appear yet to be related to families in Nueva Galicia it may end up being the origin of some or many "de León" families.
I descend from Hernán Ponce de León who married María de Pardo in Valladolid Michoacán in the end of the XVI century; this Hernán das the son and the grandson of two other Hernán Ponce de León.
I've found a good amount of information about a very dynamic conqueror by that name, this one participated in the conquest of several countries and went back to Sevilla a very wealthy man. The chronology and some other things fit well for him to be my first Hernán but can't proove it yet. Has any one here researched the Ponces de León?

Delete Alert: Somos Primos "We are cousins" April 2017

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Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 5:51 PM
To: mimilozano@aol.com
Subject: Somos Primos "We are cousins" April 2017

http://somosprimos.com/sp2017/spapr17/spapr17.htm

Dear Primos and Friends:

When you open your April issue of Somos Primos, you will see a husge photo of the U.S. Army’s all Mexican-American Infantry Unit.

The 141st Regiment traces their roots back to the Texas Revolution and is the longest serving unit of the Texas National Guard. The 36th Division or T-Patchers as they were known spearheaded the Allied landing at Salerno Italy. The unit saw action at Mount Rotondo, San Pietro and one of the most controversial and deadliest battles of WWII, the crossing of the Rapido River. In a span of forty-eight hours, the 36th Division lost over two thousand men at the Rapido River in January of 1944. It became so controversial that after the war a congressional hearing was held to see if actions should be taken on those who were in command of a unit that lost so many American lives.

I remembered that in the 1980s, a friend Alfred Lugo, had written a script about that unit, the Men of Company E. Alfred was working at KOCE in the 1970s at the same time I was teaching at Golden West College.

I am suggesting that in May, we have two dates at which it would be appropriate to present the Men of Company E,El Cinco de Mayo (May 5th) and Armed Forces Day (May 20th). It could be done as a Reader's Theater in the classroom for (U.S. History, Social Studies, English, Theater Arts, and Chicano Studies).

I called Alfred last night, asking if the script was available. He said, I was the second person that very day that asked about the script. I told him, he was ahead of the time, and now was perfect timing.

Alfred said he would make the script available. Please contact him at:
alfredo.lugo@verizon.net
Home: 562-696-6204
Cell: 562-706-3286

April brings us new birth. Let this be a new beginning for all of us, finding a way to honor our heritage with facts, seeking them out and
sharing them. May you enjoy Easter, in all its intent . . renewal, and
joy.

Abrazos, Mimi

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Apellidos Africanos en México, African Surnames

Hola a todos los genealogistas:

Estoy publicando una primera lista de los apellidos africanos que he encontrado en Familysearch:

1. Angola
2. Biafra o Biafara
3. Ferranovo
4. Cabo, Cape o Caboverde
5. Mandinga
6. Canon
7. Negro
8. Negra
9. Esclavo o Esclava
10. Mee
11. Gervise
12. Calvo, apellido genovés que pasó a Sevilla y a Jerez de la Frontera y luego a Cuba y Nueva España con importantes ramas mulatas en Guanajuato y San Luis Potosí.

Les invito a registrar los apellidos africanos que lleguen a encontrar en sus búsquedas.

Marcelina

Marcelina

Marriage record of Jise Domingo Estrada and Maria Rita Valencia. 9/Feb1762 in Tepa

Maria Rita Valencia and Jose Domingo Estrada are my ancestors. I'm no having much luck finding the marriage record even though I have the date and film number. I would appreciate it very much if someone can find the image number of the record. I am hoping to find their parents names.

Here is the info:

Maria Rita Valencia
mentioned in the record of Joseph Domingo De Estrada and Maria Rita Valencia
Name Joseph Domingo De Estrada
Spouse's Name Maria Rita Valencia
Event Date 09 Feb 1762
Event Place Tepatitlan De Morelos,Jalisco,Mexico
CITING THIS RECORD

"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCFS-VDR : 15 July 2015), Joseph Domingo De Estrada and Maria Rita Valencia, 09 Feb 1762; citing Tepatitlan De Morelos,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 218,517.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci