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Josie,

At the risk of oversimplifying this whole thing, I'm posting a few
essential concepts about DNA. Please excuse me if I sound patronizing.

We all have heard that DNA is the blueprint of life.  And it is!  Or
to be more exact, each organism's DNA is its own blueprint of life. 
Just think how it is possible to clone an animal (make an exact
genetic replica) from the DNA found in the nucleus of a single cell. 
And notice that in theory a clone could be made from practically every
cell in the body, as most cells have a copy of all their DNA, their
full genome.

Although each cell with a nucleus has their full genome it only has a
small section of it activated, the specific section that contains the
instructions that each cell must carry out.  Imagine a huge theater
performance with many, many actors, where every actor has a copy of
the whole script but some actors only have to read a few lines or a
few pages at most.  So it is with cells; each one has differentiated
to play a

Hi Emilie:

Thanks for your msg.

 

I had has a great reading of

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  wrote:
>
> Gary is only focused on yDNA... paternal lines and his group is very 
> much focused on the "conquistadores" and Spanish lineages.
> 
> The mtDNA data for Mexico shows that most of the maternal genetic 
> material in modern Mexico is indigenous and given the demographic 
> collapse that occured shortly after contact with the Spanish, and the 
> subsequent movement of indigenous labor around the country, the mtDNA 
> information would draw a very different picture than the data Gary is 
> gathering.
> 
> We might be able to trace the ethnic groups of our indigenous 
> ancestors or at the very least learn about the migration patterns and 
> settlement waves that resulted in the indigenous population of Mexico.

Arturo, 

I asked Gary Felix to comment on your email. I think we all understand that the Americas, 
particularly Mexico and South America, are the mixing of three major cultures/races: 
European

I have uploaded an article into the files section of Ranchos2 that 
explores the relationship between genetics and Latin American 
(particularly Mexican) history.  It has some intersting data on mtDNA 
distributions among different ethinc groups in what is now the U.S. 
and Mexico.

Genetics and Latin American History.pdf

Surprisingly, the fact that we are all haplogroup A points to our 
maternal ancestors coming to the region after Spanish contact 
(probably from further south) since the groups indigenous to the area 
we are studying tend to have relatively high levels of haplogroup B 
populations.

The following is a link to a very well researched Spanish language 
article on the indigenous populations of the Colotlan/Bolanos area at 
the time of Spanish contact:

http://www.ejournal.unam.mx/historia_novo/ehn09/EHN00907.pdf



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T. Trevino"  
wrote:
>
> Hi!  
>  
> Someone once explained to me that the mtDNA results were, in some

For your information and if you want to post some questions about DNA: 

This is the link to the Ybase Forum moderated by Gary Felix.
http://www.ybase.org/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=511

(You have to register and get a username to participate)



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
>
> well it wouldn't be me to talk on DNA stuff, well not much anyway.
> 
> why not ask Gary Felix and then forward the group any answers you might 
> receive. or go to that discussion group moderated by Gary that Ed 
> mentioned.
> 
> I just don't know enough to comment.
> 
> joseph
> 
> beelieve wrote:
> 
> > Hello everyone in our group,
> >  I am always so very interested in everything I read from our group.
> > I am new at this whole thing but am s l o w l y learning. Much thanks 
> > to Joseph,Arturo and Deena for all your intro help. My DNA results( 
> > via National Geographic special/family tree) on the maternal side are;
> > HER Haplography BE
> > HER differences from

Sorry, Emilie.  That was supposed to be a humorous remark about our
diverse genetic make up in Mexico in reference to all the different
haplogroups of Ed's grandparents.

I was just trying to find an equivalent expression to "heinz 57" in
the US, when someone has a mix of several ancestries.  

Capirotada is a typical sweet Mexican dessert made up of a lot of
ingredients, as Joseph remembers.

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" 
wrote:
>
> Victor,
> 
> I thought they called it the "Mestizaje"?  However, that word is not
in my Spanish dictionary.  I found "mescladura" and "mezcolanza". 
What say you, Jose Roman?  What do they call it in Mexico?
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ---
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: v.h.villarrealmailto:raices_regias@y...> 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.commailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com> 
>   Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:00 AM
>   Subject: [ranchos] Re: Trevino match, DNA and the Today show
>

Emilie Garcia wrote:

> Victor,
>
> I thought they called it the "Mestizaje"? However, that word is not
> in my Spanish dictionary. I found "mescladura" and "mezcolanza".
> What say you, Jose Roman? What do they call it in Mexico?

Victor is in Mexico as much as Jose Roman. Donde vives Victor?

Victor can you put a little capirotada in a jar and send it to me?:

Joseph Puentes
PO Box 12123
Durham, NC 27709

I haven't had capirotada in over 20 years and i absolutely love it. My
mom didn't make it every

Emily,

I think they call it "Mexican"; I am joking and not joking. Seriously, there are no pure 
Spaniards down there anymore unless they emigrated in the last generation. I am told that 
there are some pure Native American Indians though.

Ed
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"  wrote:
>
> Victor,
> 
> I thought they called it the "Mestizaje"?  However, that word is not in my Spanish 
dictionary.  I found "mescladura" and "mezcolanza".  What say you, Jose Roman?  What do 
they call it in Mexico?
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ---
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: v.h.villarrealmailto:raices_regias@y...> 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.commailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com> 
>   Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:00 AM
>   Subject: [ranchos] Re: Trevino match, DNA and the Today show
> 
> 
>   --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.commailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com>, "Edward 
Serros" mailto:ed@s>...> wrote:
>   > 
>   > For starters I have 4

Linda,

What mtDNA haplogroup did they assign you? Who provided the specimen?

Your brother has your father's Y-DNA and he has your mtDNA and your mother's mtDNA, 
assuming you have the same parents. The latter assumption sometimes is a huge 
assumption and leads to very interesting discussions.

Ed

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Linda R Romero  wrote:
>
> First I'd like to thank everyone who has sent me information and  
> suggestions for my research into my Romero/de la Torre surname.   
> Though I've been to SLC several times, research is slow.  I am late  
> in answering you because of our preparations for our winter trip to  
> Arizona.  All the last minute obligations, home repairs, and doctor  
> visits are taking longer than anticipated.  However, the latest DNA  
> postings have stopped me in my tracks.
> 
> My mother is English/German/Scottish/Irish/etc. but my mtDNA seems to  
> track pretty close with my Dad, who was born in Jalisco.
> 
> 16428[A]
> 16256[T

Gary is only focused on yDNA... paternal lines and his group is very 
much focused on the "conquistadores" and Spanish lineages.

The mtDNA data for Mexico shows that most of the maternal genetic 
material in modern Mexico is indigenous and given the demographic 
collapse that occured shortly after contact with the Spanish, and the 
subsequent movement of indigenous labor around the country, the mtDNA 
information would draw a very different picture than the data Gary is 
gathering.

We might be able to trace the ethnic groups of our indigenous 
ancestors or at the very least learn about the migration patterns and 
settlement waves that resulted in the indigenous population of Mexico.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"  
wrote:
>
> Arturo,
> 
> I thought Gary Felix' was the Mexico DNA group.
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA ---
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Arturo Ramosmailto:arturo.ramos2@v...> 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.comma

First I'd like to thank everyone who has sent me information and
suggestions for my research into my Romero/de la Torre surname.
Though I've been to SLC several times, research is slow. I am late
in answering you because of our preparations for our winter trip to
Arizona. All the last minute obligations, home repairs, and doctor
visits are taking longer than anticipated. However, the latest DNA
postings have stopped me in my tracks.

My mother is English/German/Scottish/Irish/etc. but my mtDNA seems to
track pretty close with my Dad, who was born in Jalisco.

16428[A]
16256[T]
16270[T]
16399[G]
249[G]
263[G]	
73[G]
16362[C]

My brother has agreed to have his DNA tested for my research. I have
made neither heads nor tails of my mtDNA information before now. I
guess I will need a class to learn more.

Your kindness in answering my questions and our similar mtDNA results
have made me feel like a real member of this group. I plan on more
active participation

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Serros"  wrote:
> 
> For starters I have 4 grandparents (Serros, Felguerez, Salas,
Suarez) and the following is 
> the DNA data that I have gathered. They all have a "story", which in
some cases made me 
> check a great grandparent line. The results sometimes help when we
get to the genealogy 
> road blocks that we all arrive at.
> 
> Felguerez great grandfather (Y-DNA haplogroup K), Pinedo (mtDNA
haplogroup A), Cerros 
> (Y-DNA haplogroup R1b1c*) Salas (Y-DNA haplogroup R1b), Suarez
(Y-DNA haplogroup 
> Q), Sosa (mtDNA haplogroup C).
> 
> Ed
> 

Ed,

The Americans talk about the "melting pot";  the Canadians speak about
a "mosaic".  The Italians tutti frutti.

What could we call the Mexican mix?  Capirotada?  Sopa de Letras?

Victor

Josie,

I would be happy to share with you my DNA and discuss your results, here or by private 
email. We have a small Hispanic discussion group that deals with DNA results, as well as 
history. If I can not figure out something, they probably can or at least they can say what is 
known. Gary Felix, Mexico DNA project, is the moderator of this informal group. We all 
have varied DNA backgrounds but our families were all from Mexico. For starters you 
should review the information Gary has on his home page, showing results of the 
Mexicans/Mexican-Americans who have submitted DNA samples, http://
members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm.

BTW, Spencer Wells was on the Today show this am and did a great job describing the 
story that was told by the mtDNA  of the news people Katie, Matt, and Al. Spencer Wells is 
in charge of the largest DNA project ever attempted. He has written a number of important 
books on DNA, making it simpler to understand our complex relationships.

For