Nuestros Ranchos Site

my shallowness provoked me to ask the question. I was hoping for an
example or two and you all provided them. thanks.

joseph

Bingo!  The only one paying attention.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte  wrote:
>
> Not only of Latin America, but of all the Americas.
> 
> Alberto Duarte Prieto
> Santa Maria, California
> 
> --- "v.h.villarreal" 
> wrote:
> 
> > Joseph,
> > 
> > The foundation of the Universidad de Mexico dates
> > back to 1551 and it is the oldest University in
> > Latin America.  Read the quote below:
> > 

Not only of Latin America, but of all the Americas.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- "v.h.villarreal" 
wrote:

> Joseph,
> 
> The foundation of the Universidad de Mexico dates
> back to 1551 and it is the oldest University in
> Latin America.  Read the quote below:
> 
> En la "CEDULA REAL SOBRE LA FUNDACION DE LA
> UNIVERSIDAD DE MEXICO" se menciona  "Dada en la
> ciudad de Toro en 21 del mes de septiembre de 1551".
> Fue dictada por  el Rey y Emperador Carlos V.
> Menciona el Emperador en la Cedula: "he sido 
> suplicado fuesemos servidos de tener por bien que en
> la dicha ciudad de Mexico  se fundase un estudio e
> UNIVERSIDAD DE TODAS LAS CIENCIAS DONDE LOS
> NATURALES Y  LOS HIJOS DE ESPAÑOLES fuesen
> industriados en las cosas de nuestra Santa Fe 
> Catolica en las demas facultades Y LES CONCEDIESEMOS
> LOS PRIVILEGIOS Y  FRANQUEZAS Y LIBERTADES QUE ASI
> TIENE EL ESTUDIO E UNIVERSIDAD DE LA CIUDAD DE 
> SALAMANCA..." "Desde los primeros

Hi Joseph:

I ran into a bit of information that I find hard to believe.
I have a book titled: Teocaltiche Tierra de Arrieros y Hacendados con 
Familias Ilustres.  The author is Nicolas de Anda Sanches.

On page 47. I quote:  " Tambien de este linaje desciende Dn. Juan de 
Alva que era arriero o carretero en el siglo pasado y que segun Dn. 
Victoriano Salado Alvarez, iba hasta los estados de Nuevo Mexico y 
Texas, a él se le atribuye ser el padre del "scientifico patentador" de 
miles de inventos, Dn. Tomas Alva Edison, nos lo comenta en el capitulo 
II de sus Memorias, correspondiendole a Encarnación de Diaz, ser la 
abuela de dicho personaje." 

I always thought that Thomas Edison's family came from Canada.

Can anybody shed some light on this? Any ideas?

John Gonzalez
Wildomar CA.
  

So during the colonial times were there any learned indivduals in
Mexico? Scientists? Inventors? Musicians? Doctors? Architects? Poets? etc?

I guess I'm looking for that time period from the Conquest to the
1800's. I realize that the closer you get to current times you will have
a much larger selection of examples of the above, but I'm wondering what
was going on during the 400 years between 1500-1899?

just curious,

joseph

ps: didn't Spain open up a handful of Universities in these early times?
I
wonder what the graduates of these Universities were doing?

Joseph,

The foundation of the Universidad de Mexico dates back to 1551 and it is the oldest University in Latin America.  Read the quote below:

with regards to the Nuestra Familia Unida podcast project. What topics
dealing with Mexican History would you be interested in listening to?
I'm trying to get up a list of topics to pursue getting someone to talk
about.

joseph

Maria

I am interesteed in two families the first is Romo de Vivar and the other is the De La Torre families.

I am also interested in getting information on how I could acquire the books of the Retonios de Espania en la Nueva Galicia

Thanks

Jose Alfredo De La Torre Romo

So during the colonial times were there any learned indivduals in
Mexico? Scientists? Inventors? Musicians? Doctors? Architects? Poets? etc?

I guess I'm looking for that time period from the Conquest to the
1800's. I realize that the closer you get to current times you will have
a much larger selection of examples of the above, but I'm wondering what
was going on during the 400 years between 1500-1899?

just curious,

joseph

ps: didn't Spain open up a handful of Universities in these early times?
I wonder what the graduates of these Universities were doing?

Yeah, my mom, born near Magdalena, New Mexico, also used old Spanish 
words:
estijeras instead of tijeras
estenazas instead of tenazas

The following site, states:
Origen de estenazas y de estijeras parece aragonés.
http://www.hoyabunolchiva.org/iec/iec/publicacions/REV2/B5.HTM

She said muncho instead of mucho.

My dad who was from Mexico thought it was funny.

An interesting url for the Ladino Language:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~benven/ladino.html

Gloria
who sometimes forgets and say muncho!!

Great link Victor.  You are better than a search engine!  Thanks.

Maria Cortez

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal"  
wrote:
>
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Pacorro73@a... wrote:
> >
> > Now who ever said that the Jáuregui family was not discussed in 
José 
> > Luis Vásquez y Rodríguez de Frías' book titled Genealogía de 
> > Nochistlán, Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII.  
That 
> > is totally NOT TRUE.  I already read the whole book from cover to 
cover 
> > and entered much of the information from the book into my own 
family 
> > tree.  Despite the abundance of errors, José Luis Vásquez y 
Rodríguez 
> > de Frías has a lot of great original research.
> > 
> > If anyone has the book, I invite them to open it to pages 76 
through 
> > 78, Capitulo 21-Descendencia de Juan de Chávez Salguero y 
Francisca de 
> > Siordia.  Their daughter Josepha de Siordia-Chávez, married Juan 
> > Francisco Jáuregui, in Nochistlán on 4 Dec 1662.

Alicia,
while I think it's a wonderful idea, I don't think I (or every
member) could commit to reading the same book. How about one member
reads a book of their choice and makes a presentation to the rest of
the group on the highlights
of the book.  We could also consider a
book-exchange.  I loan you one of mine and you loan me one of yours
and we exchange back at the next meeting.  At any rate, I'll add this
topic to our next meeting's agenda.
Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com,

John, I was mistaken about the organization the
gentlemen belong too; he told me it was called SHHAR,
not Somos Primos.  I'm trying to contact him through
SHHAR and once I do, I'll get his email address and
forward it to your attention.

In my search for the above unknown gentlemen, I found
a genealogist that does has information on the
original Gonzalez families from Los Altos that may
help you in your research. I've listed his name and
email address below.  Please contact him.

Steven F. Hernández
pacorro73@...
sfhernandez1@...

Regards,

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California


 
--- John Gonzalez 1gnzlz@...> wrote:

> 
> 1gnzlz@...
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Joseph Puentes 
>   To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 3:32 AM
>   Subject: [ranchos] Alberto Duarte: 1550: Suave!!!
> 
> 
> 
>   can you contact the Westwood FHC and ask them if
> they know who you are talking about? Maybe he is a
> regular patron of that FHC. I would

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Pacorro73@a... wrote:
>
> Now who ever said that the Jáuregui family was not discussed in José 
> Luis Vásquez y Rodríguez de Frías' book titled Genealogía de 
> Nochistlán, Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII.  That 
> is totally NOT TRUE.  I already read the whole book from cover to cover 
> and entered much of the information from the book into my own family 
> tree.  Despite the abundance of errors, José Luis Vásquez y Rodríguez 
> de Frías has a lot of great original research.
> 
> If anyone has the book, I invite them to open it to pages 76 through 
> 78, Capitulo 21-Descendencia de Juan de Chávez Salguero y Francisca de 
> Siordia.  Their daughter Josepha de Siordia-Chávez, married Juan 
> Francisco Jáuregui, in Nochistlán on 4 Dec 1662.  Juan Francisco de 
> Xáuregui was born in San Sebastián, Señoría de Vizcaya, España.  San 
> Sebastián is largest port city of the Basque country.  Jáuregui is a 
> BASQUE surname and our Jáuregui

Now who ever said that the Jáuregui family was not discussed in José
Luis Vásquez y Rodríguez de Frías' book titled Genealogía de
Nochistlán, Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII. That
is totally NOT TRUE. I already read the whole book from cover to cover
and entered much of the information from the book into my own family
tree. Despite the abundance of errors, José Luis Vásquez y Rodríguez
de Frías has a lot of great original research.

If anyone has the book, I invite them to open it to pages 76 through
78, Capitulo 21-Descendencia de Juan de Chávez Salguero y Francisca de
Siordia. Their daughter Josepha de Siordia-Chávez, married Juan
Francisco Jáuregui, in Nochistlán on 4 Dec 1662. Juan Francisco de
Xáuregui was born in San Sebastián, Señoría de Vizcaya, España. San
Sebastián is largest port city of the Basque country. Jáuregui is a
BASQUE surname and our Jáuregui ancestor was very BASQUE.
Unfortunately the 1662-marriage document never mentions