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Hello everyone! My name is Joshua Goodson, grandson of Francisco Romo Villanueva. He was born 21 Apr 1923 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico. He was married to Marcellina Ribeiro. I know he had at least two sisters, two brothers, and a nephew that are also from Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico and one of the sisters lived with her husband in Leon, GTO, Mexico. I am not sure if they are still living so I did not include their names. I do not even know the names of my great-grandparents. Most of what I know is from the writing on the back of photos that belonged to my grandfather, most of them dated in the 1950's, and little bits of information my mother could remember. I do not know anything about my family and am finding it very difficult to find any information about them. If anyone know any information or how I can get started, please let me know.

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Introduction

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I am Raquel Ruiz. I have been researching my family story and ancestral roots
for almost 20 years now, although never spending as much time as I would like.
I research all four of my Mexican grandparent's lineages. Each is from a
different state. I have been most fortunate in my Ruiz-line research since
they have almost exclusively resided in only two parishes, Yahualica and
Cuquio, Jalisco. My ancestral Ruiz surnames thus far include Rubalcaba,
Perez, Lisarde, Limon, Quesada, Jauregui, Lopez, Delgadillo, Gomes, Rodriguez,
Casillas, Placencia and Garcia. The last seven are all from the town of
Soledad, while the others are primarily from Yahualica. I have a few families
of Ledesma and Gallo by way of alternate marriages.

My grandfather, Manuel Ruiz, was born in Cuquio. It is through his maternal
lineage that he is related to Agustin Yanez, (politician and author),his
second cousin, five years his junior. It was to Cuquio that my grandfather
took his wife and American-born children to live in 1945. My grandmother, a
native of Durango, died there a few months later. I accompanied my father and
two of his siblings to her gravesite and to Guadalajara in 1993, my father's
first return there after they had returned to the US 45 years earlier. As a
result of my research, on a subsequent visit we traveled to Yahualica.

A displaced Californian, I live in Massachusetts and actually do my research
at an LDS church in New Hampshire. I don't know anyone else that reseaches
their Mexican roots so was/am excited to come across this group. As soon as I
figure out how to partition out my Ruiz info from my paf file, I'll post my
info. Any suggestions?

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Partitioning your PAF File

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Raquel:

There are two ways you can partition out your PAF file in a manner that would be appropriate for submission to your folder:

From the "Print Reports" menu item (the little printer icon) and then clicking the "Books" tab, you can print out an Ahenetafel report directly from PAF showing your relevant grandfather's ancestors. This also eliminates (I presume) all living people that might be in that PAF file. You can then print out the report to a RTF or preferably a PDF file and submit that file.

You can create a GEDCOM of your grandfather's ancestors using the "Export" menu item (the little disk with an out arrow). Click "Other GEDCOM" then select "Partial" under the "Filter" option. Click the "Select" button on the lower right and then find your relevant grandparent and select "All ancestral related" under the "Relationship Filter" option and then the "Select" button. Then Click "OK" and finally the "Export" button. We can then upload the GEDCOM to our GEDCOM database which other members can search.

looking for the CARLOS family tree in Zacatecas

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Can anyone help me? I'm looking for info from my mother's ancestors (Maria Carlos) who were/are from Zacatecas, Zacatecas. I've managed to trace her ancestors to my GGGGF Eugenio Carlos born about 1775.

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looking for the CARLOS family tree in Zacatecas

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There may be a chance that your Carlos Surname could have
been Carlos de Godoy?
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Carlos de Godoy

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No, I don't think so.

Carlos de Godoy

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I've been studying the christening records from the late 1600's and early 1700's and found that in every instance the father's surname CARLOS DE GODOY ( or DE GODOI ) passes on to the child as only CARLOS. I speculate that, since it's common practice in Mexico to use your mother's surname last, perhaps DE GODOY or DE GODOI was the mother's surname. It's worth checking into, I think.
I found the film records for Jerez, Zavatecas.
dreamwalker wrote:

No, I don't think so.

Carlos de Godoy in Jerez

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Joseph:

The name "Carlos de Godoy" in Western Mexico is what is called a composed name. There were clearly people with this name as early as the late 1500s in Sinaloa and the Juan Carlos de Godoy who is the progenitor of the surnames Carlos and Godoy in Jerez was likely related to these earlier Carlos de Godoys from Sinaloa, though those of us looking into this have no definitely proof.

The name Carlos de Godoy was likely composed in Mexico as there do not appear to be any early passenger records of anybody with this name, but there were a number of Godoys among the early settlers and conquistadores of Nueva Galicia. In that early time, the standard surname custom used in Mexico today (paternal surname followed by maternal surname) was in no way a convention. Often children would take the mother's surname, often the father's and even sometimes a grandparent's name not used by either of their parents. Depended on many factors, i.e. importance of mother's family vs. father's family, need to propogate a name in a family, namesakes, i.e. a child being named for a grandparent (including the surname).

In some cases, where both parents' families were important, a name would become composed with both parents names being used, which is likely what happened in this case. Often the names were written simply as Carlos because priests unfamiliar with the full name dropped the second half. The IGI and VRI databases online often have incorrect or incomplete transcriptions where the transcriber leaves out part of the surname (perhaps assuming it is a maternal surname).

Later, (particularly after Independence) such composed surnames were very much associated with Spanish families which had become persona non grata and so people dropped parts of their surnames to "normalize" them and perhaps be less conspicous, so some Carlos de Godoy became Carlos and some became Godoy.

Do you have any idea as to the location where Eugenio was born or what year he and Michaela Garcia were married?

Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, --- and "stuck research"

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Sandra,

There are many Enriquez recordings as early colonizers of Nueva Galicia
from which, if any, you can determine your lineage. Some examples of these
are:

> Juan Enriquez de Guzman served with Cortes in his first expedition.

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Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, --- and "stuck

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Hi Efrain,

Thanks for the info. I have yet to go to the Family Search Library and check out the additional info (or order it :-) so I guess that is my next step for many records I have.

I went to Jalos a few years ago but to my bad luck the chuch office was closed that day!

Saludos y gracias!!

----- Original Message ----
From: Efrain Conrique
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 4:40:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan, Jalisco, --- and "stuck research"

Sandra,

There are many Enriquez recordings as early colonizers of Nueva Galicia
from which, if any, you can determine your lineage. Some examples of these
are:

> Juan Enriquez de Guzman served with Cortes in his first expedition.
> Martin Enriquez was the 4th Viceroy (1568 - 1583) of Nueva Galicia.
> Enriquez, son of Henry and "originario de Espana" is mentioned as being
in Nueva Espana in 1691.
> Various Enriquez are recorded as being tried in Nueva Espana by the
Spanish Inquisition for relapsing to Judaism.
> Mariano Gonzales-Leal includes --- in his "Retonos de Espana en la Nueva
Galicia" --- Enriquez del Castillo as one of the 117 Spanish families that
arrived to colonize the Los Altos region of Jalisco in 1550

So, in the case of your "stuck research," I suggest that you
begin/continue it by reading the christening record of the twins (Josse
Antonio Yrineo Enrique Gonsales and Josse Vicente Yrineo Enrique Gonsales)
children of Josse Maria Enrique and Maria Nicolaza Gonsales, --- and
christened 17 July 1785 at Nuestra Senora de la Asuncion, Jalostotitlan,
Jalisco. (Ref.: LDS Film # 0279261). These christening records often
include the names of the newborn's grandparents which, in this instance,
would be your 7GGrandparents.

Best of luck in your research, and a Happy New Year to all the Nuestros
Ranchos Internauts !

Efrain Conrique
San diego, California

> [Original Message]
> From: sandragomezmendoza
> To:
> Date: 12/30/2007 8:13:23 PM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origen de los Enriquez en Jalostotitlan,
Jalisco
>
>
> Hello to all! Saludos a todos! Hope every one had a great Christmas and
also wishing you the best for the new year!
>
> I'm stuck on my research for my Enriquez family in Jalostotitlan. The
latest couple I have is Jose Maria Enriquez and Maria Nicolasa Gonzalez de
Villasenor. They are my 6GGrandparents. They lived around the mid 1700's.
I can't figure out anything before that. Their son, Jose Vicente Yrineo
Enriquez Gonzalez (who was a twin by the way) was born around 1785 and
married Maria Francisca Romo de Vivar. Vicente's daughter, Maria Gerarda
Enriquez, eventually made her way to Amoxochitl (Juchipila area) and
married my GGGrandfather Jose Maria Enriquez... yes, there were both
Enriquez :-) -- so makes for an interesting line to have 2 last names join
in different towns with who knows what backgroud.
>
> Anyway, any help would be great. Does anyone have any info on the
origins of the Enriquez in La Nueva Galicia?
>
> Saludos!

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Lo mismo deseo para usted - God bless you and yours always......

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My Introduction:

Hello everyone! My name is Joshua Goodson, grandson of Francisco Romo Villanueva. He was born 21 Apr 1923 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico. He was married to Marcellina Ribeiro. I know he had at least two sisters, two brothers, and a nephew that are also from Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico and one of the sisters lived with her husband in Leon, GTO, Mexico.
I am not sure if they are still living so I did not include their
names. I do not even know the names of my great-grandparents. Most of
what I know is from the writing on the back of photos that belonged to
my grandfather, most of them dated in the 1950's, and little bits of
information my mother could remember. I do not know anything about my
family and am finding it very difficult to find any information about
them. If anyone know any information or how I can get started, please
let me know.

Thanks you all.

Joshua

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2nd of 2008

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2nd of 2008

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Hi Joseph,

I too can help with translations when needed. Great work!!!

I'm happy to have found this group!

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-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes

Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2008 20:17:59
To:general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] 2nd of 2008

Moderatorship in the nuestrosranchos.org group can be work and also a
thankless job. The work behind the scenes makes the group function
properly and as the originating moderator of the group I just wanted to
take a moment to thank some special people in the group for their
tremendous help in making the group what it is:

Arturo Ramos for his outrageous above and beyond effort at building the
new website and site website mastery. Your efforts have cause the
tremendous growth in the group. Growth that would have caused the
YahooGroup to fade into extinction. The group was on the brink but with
your help has bounded back to a very healthy group. Sincere thanks Arturo

Kitty Cortez for her tireless efforts at sending out the 15 day and 30
day notices to all the perspective new member applicantes. What an
effort and a warm abrazo Kitty for your help

Alicia Carrillo the Spam Master. You would not believe how much Spam the
group attracts. Thanks to her efforts the Spam never gets to you via
some technological wizardry and some tireless efforts by Alicia.
Muchisimas Alicia!

Enrique Legaspi and John Gonzalez for their help when I needed some
translation work. I sincerely appreciate the willingness of these two
gentlemen to help me when I needed their help to purer and more precise
communication.

I'm hoping that the group propers in 2008 and that your elusive
ancestors make themselves known in your research,

joseph

ps: if Enrique or John wanted to translate this for the rest of the
group. that would be wonderful.

pps: Arturo is always looking for volunteers that have website coding
and functionality skills. I can always use help in case Kitty or Alicia
ever want to take a break. Volunteer positions available.

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My Introduction:

Hello everyone! My name is Joshua Goodson, grandson of Francisco Romo Villanueva. He was born 21 Apr 1923 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico. He was married to Marcellina Ribeiro. I know he had at least two sisters, two brothers, and a nephew that are also from Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico and one of the sisters lived with her husband in Leon, GTO, Mexico.
I am not sure if they are still living so I did not include their
names. I do not even know the names of my great-grandparents. Most of
what I know is from the writing on the back of photos that belonged to
my grandfather, most of them dated in the 1950's, and little bits of
information my mother could remember. I do not know anything about my
family and am finding it very difficult to find any information about
them. If anyone know any information or how I can get started, please
let me know.

Thanks you all.

Joshua

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My introduction:

Hello everyone! My name is Joshua Goodson, grandson of Francisco Romo Villanueva. He was born 21 Apr 1923 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico. He was married to Marcellina Ribeiro. I know he had at least two sisters, two brothers, and a nephew that are also from Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico and one of the sisters lived with her husband in Leon, GTO, Mexico.
I am not sure if they are still living so I did not include their
names. I do not even know the names of my great-grandparents. Most of
what I know is from the writing on the back of photos that belonged to
my grandfather, most of them dated in the 1950's, and little bits of
information my mother could remember. I do not know anything about my
family and am finding it very difficult to find any information about
them. If anyone know any information or how I can get started, please
let me know.

Thanks you all.

Joshua

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an introduction of who I am

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My name is Joseph de Leon. My ancestral roots come from both HUEJUCAR, JALISCO and JEREZ, ZACATECAS. Some of the surnames of my ancestors are: DE LEON, CARLOS, BANUELOS, FLORES, COVARRUBIAS, VILLANEDA, CAMPOS, BORREGO, and many others.

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an introduction of who I am

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Welcome Joseph to the Nuestros Ranchos family.. You're going to find people just like you who are working on reclaiming their families and share stories and memories of the families who got us here today. What a great way to start the new year and meet new family.. I'm not a blood relative but I guess what they call a kissing cousin since my link to your Banuelos is through the marriage of Virginia ( Cecilia) Banuelos to my Uncle Joe Gutierrez.

How wonderful that you can put your hands on a piece of your history in the music scores. I know when the genealogy bug bit me I couldn't find many articles but the few I did meant a lot to me. I knew my paternal gr-grandmother was small but when I saw her dress pulled from an old trunk I realized what a 4ft 10 woman looked like! Her straw hairbrush's were worn and her rosary was well used. I had been told about her husbands books that he carried from Jerez in 1916 when they left most of their belongings behind. Sadly a family member had sold them at the flea market I was told. My Dad had talked about how when he was a boy he lived with his grandparents for a summer and the "old" men would gather in Grandpa Vicente Castanon's back yard around a camp fire and pass the books around and talk about the revolution, people they had lost and the country they all loved but knew they would never return too. It was a good memory for my Dad but finding the books was a mission
I couldn't fulfill for him. Thank you for sharing your story. Well done!

Welcome to the group, Linda in Everett

Joseph de Leon wrote:

My father's name is Elias de Leon who was born in Huejucar, Jalisco and my mother is Maria del Transito Carlos who was born in Zacatecas, Zac. probably in Jerez, Zac. because that's where most of her ancestors are from.

I am related to the Banuelos family through both my father's side (his mother Petra Flores has a sister named Teodora Flores who married Ysac Banuelos) and my mother's maternal grandmother Vicenta Banuelos who married Manuel Villaneda.

I'd like to visit both Huejucar and Jerez sometime this spring 2008 and see my ancestral land before I die. I know that I have many CARLOS cousins in Zacatecas who have never heard of me.

My goal is to learn when and where my grandfather Francisco Covarrubias was born and when and where he died. He was probably born Abt. 1880 in Huejucar and probably died Abt. 1910-1915 in Piedras Negras but I don't have the proof. He was a music composer ( I still have his original music scores) who was beaten to death by Pancho Villa's thugs because they thought that he had the keys to the local bank.

His father was Nicolas de Leon (also a music composer) who was married to Refugio Covarrubias on 08 Jun 1866 in Huejucar, Jalisco. I have learned that he had 2 brothers and one sister, Pascual, Espiridion, and Maria Eugenia who were all born in Huejucar.

My siblings and my sons all inherited my grandfather's love of music and they compose music as well.

my grandfather Francisco Covarrubias de Leon

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I omitted my grandfather's last name which is DE LEON (of course) in the above posting. :)

Huejucar families

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Romo (de Vivar) Family in Jalisco and Aguascalientes

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I'm new to this, and I need help connecting my GGG grandfather José de los Santos Romo de Vivar (b.1807) to what seems to be the original location of most of the Romo de Vivar family in the region of Aguascalientes. I have discovered through family records and FamilySearch transcribed christening records a lineage that takes me back to Bernabe ROMO, listed on a baptismal certificate as the father of Gregorio ROMO (b. abt 1780) of Encarnación (de Díaz), Jalisco. But I am having trouble pinning him down. I have found a Bernave ROMO DE VIVAR who married Anna Gertrudis FRANCO in 1761 in Tepatitlán, Jalisco--and those are the names of my ancestor's parents. But the trail goes cold in Tepatitlán, because I can't find out any more about Bernabe (Bernave) ROMO DE VIVAR, even though I am pretty sure that is his correct name.

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Romo (de Vivar) Family in Jalisco andAguascalientes

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Hi Karr Wolfe...does any of this help or look familar? Let me know...phyls

Descendants of Juan Romo De Vivar Y Rangel

Generation No. 1

1. JUAN ROMO DE VIVAR Y1 RANGEL died December 08, 1691. He married MARIA TISCARENO DE MOLINA Y RUIS DE ESPARZA May 05, 1658 in Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, New Spain, daughter of LUIS MARQUEZ and LORENZA DE ESPARZA. She was born March 13, 1633/34 in Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, New Spain.

Children of JUAN RANGEL and MARIA DE ESPARZA are:

2. i. JUANA TERESA ROMO DE VIVAR2 TISCARENO, b. 1662, Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, New Spain; d. December 24, 1694.

3. ii. ANDRES ROMO DE VIVAR TISCARENO, b. Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, New Spain.

Generation No. 2

2. JUANA TERESA ROMO DE VIVAR2 TISCARENO (JUAN ROMO DE VIVAR Y1 RANGEL) was born 1662 in Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, New Spain, and died December 24, 1694. She married JOSEPH DE LA ESCALERA Y VALDEZ September 10, 1679 in Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, New Spain.

Children of JUANA TISCARENO and JOSEPH VALDEZ are:

4. i. JOSEPH DE LA ESCALERA3 ROMO, b. July 04, 1684, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.

ii. MARIANA ESCALERA ROMO, b. May 27, 1687, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico; m. DIEGO IGNACIO CARRASCO, February 20, 1707/08, Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, Mexico; b. Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.

3. ANDRES ROMO DE VIVAR2 TISCARENO (JUAN ROMO DE VIVAR Y1 RANGEL) was born in Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, New Spain. He married MARIA LOPEZ DE ELIZALDE October 12, 1694 in Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, Mexico. She was born in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.

Children of ANDRES TISCARENO and MARIA DE ELIZALDE are:

i. JOSE MANUEL ROMO3 DE VIVAR, b. 1702, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.

ii. JOSE MIGUEL ROMO DE VIVAR, b. Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.

Generation No. 3

4. JOSEPH DE LA ESCALERA3 ROMO (JUANA TERESA ROMO DE VIVAR2 TISCARENO, JUAN ROMO DE VIVAR Y1 RANGEL) was born July 04, 1684 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico. He married MARIA TOMASA DE LUREA 1732 in Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, Mexico.

Children of JOSEPH ROMO and MARIA DE LUREA are:

i. JOSE FELIPE4 ESCALERA-LUREA., m. MARIA-GUADALUPE DE LEON, May 06, 1773, San Carlos, Vallecillo, Nuevo Leon, Mexico.

ii. JOSEPH VICENTE ESCALERA LUREA, b. Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico; m. ROSALIA-EMEREMCIANA DE LOS SANTOS ROMO, February 08, 1775, Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, Mexico; b. Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.

iii. JOSEPH-ANTONIO ESCALERA-LUREA, b. Ricon de Ramos, Aguascalientes, Mexico.

iv. MARIA GERTRUDIA ESCALERA LUREA.

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 6:28 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romo (de Vivar) Family in Jalisco andAguascalientes

>
> I'm new to this, and I need help connecting my GGG grandfather José de los Santos Romo de Vivar (b.1807) to what seems to be the original location of most of the Romo de Vivar family in the region of Aguascalientes. I have discovered through family records and FamilySearch transcribed christening records a lineage that takes me back to Bernabe ROMO, listed on a baptismal certificate as the father of Gregorio ROMO (b. abt 1780) of Encarnación (de Díaz), Jalisco. But I am having trouble pinning him down. I have found a Bernave ROMO DE VIVAR who married Anna Gertrudis FRANCO in 1761 in Tepatitlán, Jalisco--and those are the names of my ancestor's parents. But the trail goes cold in Tepatitlán, because I can't find out any more about Bernabe (Bernave) ROMO DE VIVAR, even though I am pretty sure that is his correct name.
>
> I have found an IGI record of a man called Bernabe ROMO-DE-VIVAR who was born in 1740 in Rincon de Romos, in the state of Aguascalientes. The only thing that makes him a good candidate is that he was born at the right time, about 20 years before the marriage of Anna Gertrudis FRANCO in 1761--in Tepatitlán, which is pretty far away from Aguascalientes. And to make things worse, there is an IGI listing for a man with exactly the same name who was born 20 years earlier in Rincon de Romos, which is even farther away from Tepatitlán.
>
> How confusing!
>
> I need help finding the right Bernabe (Bernave) Romo de Vivar and getting back on the trail!

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Hi Phylys,

I guess we're closely related. Are you a descendant of Joseph de la Escalera y Valdés and Juana Theresa Romo de Vivar y Tiscareño? They are my 7th great-grandparents. My line links with Lope Ruiz de Esparza and Francisca Gabai de Moctezuma through their daughter Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza and Luis Tiscareño de Molina. My line starts with my mother María Teresa Strecker Cabral and her father (my grandfather) Guillermo Strecker Frías, the son of Wilhelm Ludwig Strecker Kern (a german-american engineer from Pennsylvania) and Josepha Frías Esparza, born in Rincón de Romos in 1848. Her mother Refugio Ruiz de Esparza was born in the same town in 1818, but prior generations were all born and raised in Aguascalientes. I believe my g3-grandfather Francisco Ruiz de Esparza Trillo y Delgado probably moved to Rincón the Romos when he married my g3-grandmother María Gertrudis Escobedo y Escalera. She lived in Rancho de los Escaleras, not too far from Rincón de Romos. Anyway, my other two lines connecting to Lope Ruiz de Esparza are through 1) his son Bernardo and 2) his daughter María. They can be checked at nuestrosranchos.org.

Incidentally, I recently found the appointment of Joseph de la Escalera y Valdez as Mayor of Aguascalientes at the AHEJ. I have not transcribed it yet, but here is some info. for your database:

"Joseph de la Escalera y Valdez fue nombrado Alcalde Mayor de la Villa de Aguascalientes el 8 de junio de 1678 en la ciudad de Guadalajara, por un período de dos años. Un año mas tarde, el 10 de septiembre de 1679, Joseph de la Escalera contrajo matrimonio con Teresa Romo de Vivar y Tiscareño en la capilla de la Hacienda de San Bartolomé, propiedad de Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza, viuda de Luis Tiscareño de Molina y abuela de la pretensa."

Link through Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza and Luis Tiscareño

· 10th great-grandparents: Lope Ruiz de Esparza & Anna Francisca Gabai de Moctezuma

· 9th great-grandparents: Luis Tiscareño-de-Molina & Lorenza Ruiz-de-Esparza

· 8th great-grandparents: Juan Romo-de-Vivar & María Tiscareño Ruiz-de-Esparza

· 7th great-grandparents: Joseph de la Escalera y Valdés & Juana Theresa Romo Tiscareño

· 6th great-grandparents: Juan de la Escalera Romo & Nicolasa (or Catharina) Hernández

· 5th great-grandparents: Juan Cipriano de la Escalera & María Antonia Martínez-de-Sotomayor

· 4rd great-grandparents: José Manuel Escobedo Guevara & María Antonia Escalera Martínez

· 3rd great-grandparents: Francisco Ruiz-de-Esparza & María Gertrudis Escobedo y Escalera

· 2nd great-grandparents: José Antonio Frías & Refugio Ruiz-de-Esparza

· My great-grandparents: Wilhelm L. Strecker and Josepha Frías Ruiz-de-Esparza

· My grandparents : Guillermo Strecker Frías & María Cabral de la Cerda

Saludos,
Bill Figueroa

PS My full name is Guillermo Figueroa Strecker. Bill is a nickname given to me when I came to the U.S.A. I use it here because it's easier to pronounce for non-hispanics.

Romo (de Vivar) Family in Jalisco andAguascalientes

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Guess we are family :-)

I had the same issue with Bernabe!

It is very common to have records from great distances this way. There was a lot of movement during that time as a lot of families were still settling. Ill email you more info abt Bernabe tonight.

Saludos!!

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Karr Wolfe

Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:28:46
To:general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romo (de Vivar) Family in Jalisco and
Aguascalientes

I have found an IGI record of a man called Bernabe ROMO-DE-VIVAR who was born in 1740 in Rincon de Romos, in the state of Aguascalientes. The only thing that makes him a good candidate is that he was born at the right time, about 20 years before the marriage of Anna Gertrudis FRANCO in 1761--in Tepatitlán, which is pretty far away from Aguascalientes. And to make things worse, there is an IGI listing for a man with exactly the same name who was born 20 years earlier in Rincon de Romos, which is even farther away from Tepatitlán.

How confusing!

I need help finding the right Bernabe (Bernave) Romo de Vivar and getting back on the trail!

Romo (de Vivar) Family in Jalisco andAguascalientes

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Hello cousin! Thanks for the prompt response. I've been out of town and unable to follow up, and I'm sure most everyone has been as busy as I during the holiday season. Would you have the time to send me some more information about Bernabe Romo who married Anna Gertrudis Franco in Tepatitlán?

Karr Wolfe

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Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 6:39 PM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romo (de Vivar) Family in Jalisco andAguascalientes

Guess we are family :-)

I had the same issue with Bernabe!

It is very common to have records from great distances this way. There was a lot of movement during that time as a lot of families were still settling. Ill email you more info abt Bernabe tonight.

Saludos!!

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Karr Wolfe

Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:28:46
To:general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romo (de Vivar) Family in Jalisco and
Aguascalientes

I'm new to this, and I need help connecting my GGG grandfather Jos� de los Santos Romo de Vivar (b.1807) to what seems to be the original location of most of the Romo de Vivar family in the region of Aguascalientes. I have discovered through family records and FamilySearch transcribed christening records a lineage that takes me back to Bernabe ROMO, listed on a baptismal certificate as the father of Gregorio ROMO (b. abt 1780) of Encarnaci�n (de D�az), Jalisco. But I am having trouble pinning him down. I have found a Bernave ROMO DE VIVAR who married Anna Gertrudis FRANCO in 1761 in Tepatitl�n, Jalisco--and those are the names of my ancestor's parents. But the trail goes cold in Tepatitl�n, because I can't find out any more about Bernabe (Bernave) ROMO DE VIVAR, even though I am pretty sure that is his correct name.

I have found an IGI record of a man called Bernabe ROMO-DE-VIVAR who was born in 1740 in Rincon de Romos, in the state of Aguascalientes. The only thing that makes him a good candidate is that he was born at the right time, about 20 years before the marriage of Anna Gertrudis FRANCO in 1761--in Tepatitl�n, which is pretty far away from Aguascalientes. And to make things worse, there is an IGI listing for a man with exactly the same name who was born 20 years earlier in Rincon de Romos, which is even farther away from Tepatitl�n.

How confusing!

I need help finding the right Bernabe (Bernave) Romo de Vivar and getting back on the trail!

looking for BANUELOS family tree in Jalisco and Zacatecas

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dreamwalker1944@sbcglobal.net

Can anyone help me with the BANUELOS family tree? I have many Banuelos cousins that share a common GGF from the Huejucar and Zacatecas area. My mother's maternal grandmother was Maria Vicenta Banuelos born Abt. 1840 and reportedly lived to be 100+ years old.

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my e-mail address

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Banuelos and Quesada in Huejucar Jalisco

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I'm not familiar with the town of Huejucar Jalisco but my Aunt who's family is from there has asked if I could find anything on her families there.
Her parents were Salvador Banuelos and Emma Madrid no dates but approx. 1900 in Huejucar

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Banuelos

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Hello, cousin!
my e-mail is dreamwalker1944@sbcglobal.net

We share a common GGF!

Descendants of Jesus Banuelos

1 Jesus Banuelos 1820 -
.. +Rafaela de Leon Gomes
........ 2 Santos Banuelos 1850 -
............ +Leonides Quejada 1850 -
................... 3 Ysaac Banuelos, Sr. 1881 -
....................... +Teodora Flores 1882 - 1956
................... 3 Santiago Banuelos 1880 -
................... 3 Alejandro de Jesus Banuelos 1872 -
................... 3 Julio Banuelos 1882 -
................... 3 Trinidad Banuelos 1883 -
................... 3 Gumecindo Banuelos 1873 -
................... 3 Ramona Banuelos 1885 -
................... 3 Elena Banuelos 1885 -
................... 3 Monico Banuelos 1874 -
........ 2 Maria Vicenta Banuelos 1840 - 1915
............ +Jose Manuel Villaneda 1840 - 1900
................... 3 Tiburcia Villaneda 1872 - 1947
....................... +Jorge Carlos 1871 - 1921
................... 3 Miguel Villaneda 1867 - 1900
........ 2 Francisco BANUELOS
*2nd Wife of Jesus Banuelos:
.. +Josefa del Real
........ 2 Claro Banuelos 1863 - 1978

Banuelos and Quesada in Huejucar Jalisco

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Rosalinda. . .Rosalinda,

Looks like some more cousins. Rosalinda and I are Bañuelos and she is a
Quesada. probably we'll tie into your Aunt's family (our cousins).
Rosalinda will know for sure.

joseph

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longsjourney wrote:
> I'm not familiar with the town of Huejucar Jalisco but my Aunt who's family is from there has asked if I could find anything on her families there.
> Her parents were Salvador Banuelos and Emma Madrid no dates but approx. 1900 in Huejucar
> Salvadors parent Issac Banuelos and Teodora or Todora Flores abt 1875
> Teodora Flores's parents were Marcos Flores and Andrea Sandoval married 19 Feb 1867 in Huejucar
> Salvadors parents were Santos Banuelos and Leonides Quesada married 20 April 1871 in Huejucar.
>
> I've found children for these parents but no parents for Santos Banuelos or Leonides Quesada. My Aunt was told that Santos father was Francisco Banuelos from Spain but I've found nothing to prove that. Is anyone working any of these lines from Huejucar Jalisco Mexico?
>
> Thanks, Linda in Everett

Banuelos Quesada in Huejucar Jalisco

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Hi Linda and Joseph--

Yes, Linda, your aunt is related to me and Joseph through the Banuelos family. I have her ancestry for some generations back. I collect as much information on the Banuelos and related families of Huejucar, Jalisco. I'll email you off the group so we can exchange information.

So far I have your aunt as my 3rd cousin once removed, and Joseph as her 5th cousin once removed. Almost all of the Banuelos from Huejucar are related and are from Rancho Las Bocas.

Rosalinda

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes
Sent: Dec 1, 2006 6:22 PM
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Cc: "Rosalinda M. Ruiz"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Banuelos and Quesada in Huejucar Jalisco

Rosalinda. . .Rosalinda,

Looks like some more cousins. Rosalinda and I are Bañuelos and she is a
Quesada. probably we'll tie into your Aunt's family (our cousins).
Rosalinda will know for sure.

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Banuelos Quesada in Huejucar Jalisco

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Rosalinda, you and Joseph are angels! It's a wonderful Christmas present for my Aunt Virginia Banuelos Gutierrez, she's married to my mothers brother. She's originally from Greenfield California where her parents settled when they immigrated to this country.

She's been trying to find her family history and had another relative give her a chart which appears to be wrong since it says that Santo's Banuelos father was from Spain.. Thank you so much and I will contact her and get as much information abt her line as I can.

I love this group! Linda in Everett

rosa9972 wrote:

Hi Linda and Joseph--

So far I have your aunt as my 3rd cousin once removed, and Joseph as her 5th cousin once removed. Almost all of the Banuelos from Huejucar are related and are from Rancho Las Bocas.

Rosalinda

Rosalinda. . .Rosalinda,

Looks like some more cousins. Rosalinda and I are Bañuelos and she is a
Quesada. probably we'll tie into your Aunt's family (our cousins).
Rosalinda will know for sure.

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Rejoice the Banuelos Quesada in Huejucar Jalisco Have Found One

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Well I think this is kind of a first. I've seen members make connections
with each other but not members mention their relatives and some of the
their non-related lineages and then have some in the group make
connections with those. Regardless of how it happens it is always time
to rejoice when family that was lost finds itself. Thanks Linda for
helping us find each other.

okay I have cousins that are not in the group that are Enriquez and
Godoy and Palafox and Mejia all from the ranchos around Colotlan, Santa
Maria de Los Angeles and Sauz de Los Marquez.

Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
> Rosalinda, you and Joseph are angels! It's a wonderful Christmas present for my Aunt Virginia Banuelos Gutierrez, she's married to my mothers brother. She's originally from Greenfield California where her parents settled when they immigrated to this country.
>
> She's been trying to find her family history and had another relative give her a chart which appears to be wrong since it says that Santo's Banuelos father was from Spain.. Thank you so much and I will contact her and get as much information abt her line as I can.
>
> I love this group! Linda in Everett
>

LOS MITOS SEFARDITA Y FRANCES (ALTOS DE JALISCO)

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Frecuentemente se menciona tanto gente de los altos como externa a ellos que los alteños se desciende de sangre sefardita y de igual manera se dice de familias francesas; bueno acudo a este grupo para hacerles a ustedes esta pregunta y saber que piensan ustedes al respecto. Espero sus comentarios, gracias. ATTE.: Gutiérrez de Mendoza y González de Hermosillo

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LOS MITOS SEFARDITA Y FRANCES (ALTOS DE JALISCO)

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Hola ,perdon la tardanza y tambien mi espanol. Yo no creo que hubo influencia Frances en Los altos por la razon que llegaron los franceses como en los 1850's y los mandaron para Francia como en 1865. Handuvieron en los cuidades grandes y puertos de Mexico. Yo pienso (con respecto) que no habia una base de importancia para los Frances en Los Altos. En Los Altos en aquel tiempo de los 1850's no habia industria que ayudaba pagar la deuda que dicen los frances que Mexico tenia con ellos. Yo no noto la influecia Frances en la comida,arquitectura,idioma ect.Lo que tiene es mucha influencia espanola y algo de indigena. Asi pienso y opinion
haber como piensas.
Ronnie Reynoso Pariente a casi todos de Los Altos> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: gutiherre@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:19:40 -0800> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] LOS MITOS SEFARDITA Y FRANCES (ALTOS DE JALISCO)> > > Frecuentemente se menciona tanto gente de los altos como externa a ellos que los alteños se desciende de sangre sefardita y de igual manera se dice de familias francesas; bueno acudo a este grupo para hacerles a ustedes esta pregunta y saber que piensan ustedes al respecto. Espero sus comentarios, gracias. ATTE.: Gutiérrez de Mendoza y González de Hermosillo > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org

LOS MITOS SEFARDITA Y FRANCES (ALTOS DE JALISCO)

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Hola,

Tambien perdonen mi espanol. Yo tambien no creo que tantos franceses como dicen se quedaron en Jalisco o como me dijo mi padre, en Zacatecas. Creo que despues que vinieron los franceses en 1850-1865, si un ancestro de los mexicanos era rubio o con ojos azul, los descendientes en mexico suposieron que era frances. Mi padre me dijo que su vis-abuelo era frances con ojos azul, pero no encuentro ningun documento que refiere a "frances" o "francia". Los antepasados de mi padre tenian residencia en mexico desde el siglo XVI y los indentificaron en los documentos por los siglos como "espanol", "mestizo", "yndio", o "mulato". Por lado de mi madre hay un "Gurule" pero el vino creo de Canada donde llegaron los franceses mucho mas antes que en mexico. Tambien encontre nombres franceses en el estado de Sonora y unos de ellos si vienieron de francia pero a los estados unidos primero. Otros llegaron a USA y en mexico del estado de Louisiana donde tambien llegaron los franceses mucho mas antes de que llegaron a mexico.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 1:23 PM
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LOS MITOS SEFARDITA Y FRANCES (ALTOS DE JALISCO)

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Favor de perdonar mi Espanol..

En el pueblo de El Valle de Guadalupe, Michoacan, si hubo un hombre que se
quedo atras..y sus decendientes aun viven en el Pueblo. Tambien se que en el
norte, por rumbos de Monterrey, quedaron hombres atras. Cuando era tiempo de
retirarse, estos fueron en pueblos pequenos, y cambiaron sus apellidos, ya
que su precensia en Mexico para ese entonces no hubiera sido muy popular.

Aunque muchos piensan que los Frances eran rubios con ojos
azules....generalmente, no es asi. Es mas, los Espanoles que son del norte de Espana tienen
los ojos azules y son rubios porque hay mucho influencia de Irlandes. Puede
ser que los del Altos llegaron del medio o norte de Espana....y por no
mezclarse mucho con los Indios, mantenieron sus facciones de Espana.

Dicen que por estas razones, varias partes de Mexico hablan con su accento
distincto....porque llegaron de diferentes parte de Espana y hablan con el
mismo accento de donde originaron en esa epoca. Esas personas generalmente se
quedaban juntas, y seguian hablando igual. Por ejemplo, los que llegaron a
Puerto Rico y Cuba....muchos llegaron de Andalucia, Cadiz, y Seville y los de
esa aria no pronuncian el "s".

esperanza
chicagoland area

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LOS MITOS SEFARDITA Y FRANCES (ALTOS DE JALISCO)

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Esperanza, your reference to Valle de Guadalupe, Michoacan, is that the same one that is part of Chilchota Michoacan. Do you have specific surnames? I've traced my Gutierrez/ Alvarez del Castillo to there back to abt 1620 and wondered if by any chance it's the same Valle de Guadalupe.
thank you, Linda in Everett

By the way, my ancestors in Jerez Zacatecas said they had French blood too, not true according to the records. Lot's of blue and green eyes, red, blond and brown hair but not a Frenchman in the bunch!

Latina1955@aol.com wrote:

Favor de perdonar mi Espanol..

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In a message dated 12/9/2007 4:50:15 P.M. Central Standard Time,
longsjourney@yahoo.com writes:

Esperanza, your reference to Valle de Guadalupe, Michoacan, is that the same
one that is part of Chilchota Michoacan. Do you have specific surnames?
I've traced my Gutierrez/ Alvarez del Castillo to there back to abt 1620 and
wondered if by any chance it's the same Valle de Guadalupe.
thank you, Linda in Everett

By the way, my ancestors in Jerez Zacatecas said they had French blood too,
not true according to the records. Lot's of blue and green eyes, red,
blond and brown hair but not a Frenchman in the bunch!

Yes it is...although Chichota is at the other side of the mountain. This is
my husband's side of the family ---surnames include Valdez, Oropeza,Ortiz,
Duarte, Escobar, Madrigal, and Rocha. There is a large Alvarez family that is
married with some of my husband's cousins. Remember that the French were not
very embraced after they were supposed to leave...therefore, those that did
stay, stayed in small village often changing their names. The family Escobar
is said to have the French ancestry. They intermarried the locals, and all
that is left is the legacy of their word.

My aunt also insisted that we had French blood (from Tlaltenango). However
I did not put much credence into this, as she had virtually no contact with
the relatives left in Mexico - she may have heard this from my
grandparents..but in those days, grandparents did not talk about back home....they fled
Mexico because my grandfather had killed someone of importance during the civil
war.

She (my aunt) may have put this together because in our family we have some
very fair skinned individuals....in my own family, I had two brothers (one
died) who had sandy brown hair and bright blue eyes (both needed picks to comb
their hair). The rest of us look either extremely "indio" or like any other
Mexican one would see throughout Mexico.

Esperanza

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Saludos te contesto con el siguiente documento checalo esta interesante
Atte: Eddy Gutiérrez de Mendoza y Gonzalez de Hermosillo

> From: chilerey@msn.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 13:23:20 -0800> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] LOS MITOS SEFARDITA Y FRANCES (ALTOS DE JALISCO)> > > Hola ,perdon la tardanza y tambien mi espanol. Yo no creo que hubo influencia Frances en Los altos por la razon que llegaron los franceses como en los 1850's y los mandaron para Francia como en 1865. Handuvieron en los cuidades grandes y puertos de Mexico. Yo pienso (con respecto) que no habia una base de importancia para los Frances en Los Altos. En Los Altos en aquel tiempo de los 1850's no habia industria que ayudaba pagar la deuda que dicen los frances que Mexico tenia con ellos. Yo no noto la influecia Frances en la comida,arquitectura,idioma ect.Lo que tiene es mucha influencia espanola y algo de indigena. Asi pienso y opinion> haber como piensas.> Ronnie Reynoso Pariente a casi todos de Los Altos> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> From: gutiherre@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:19:40 -0800> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] LOS MITOS SEFARDITA Y FRANCES (ALTOS DE JALISCO)> > > Frecuentemente se menciona tanto gente de los altos como externa a ellos que los alteños se desciende de sangre sefardita y de igual manera se dice de familias francesas; bueno acudo a este grupo para hacerles a ustedes esta pregunta y saber que piensan ustedes al respecto. Espero sus comentarios, gracias. ATTE.: Gutiérrez de Mendoza y González de Hermosillo > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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for Mary Gervassi on Zapotiltic

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Mary I'm waiting for a marriage film from Zapotiltic Jalisco Mexico (0225928, years 1800-1851) that has your ancestors, Urbano Sanchez and Dolores Ruis marriage record. Do you already have it or would you like me to make a copy of it for you? The history center reopens on Jan 7th. My ancestors are on that film too.

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second marriage for Urbano Sanchez

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Mary, I found this marriage record for your ancestor, not sure if you have it so I'm sending it along.

Marriage 6 Dec 1801 in Tamazula
Jose Antonio Urbano Sanches alias Ordas Espanol from Ranchos de la Tinaja, Tamazula and Zapotiltic
parents: Ventura Sanches alias Ordas and Maria Josefa Serrano both living
with: Maria Gertrudis Amesqua Espanola from Tamazula
parents: Jose Trinidad Amesqua living and Maria Francisca Valencia deceased
pad: Jose Serrano and Maria Luiza Elizondo from el Cuaguallote
wit: Jose de Leon Ramos, Jose Roverto Pardo and Juan Cortes

Linda Castanon-Long

Romo (de Vivar) Family in Jalisco andAguascalientes

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Tepatitlan is not that far from Aguascalientes........people traveled long distances all the time. It might take them days or weeks to get there but travel they did. Keep in mind that they did not go to work every day if they were agrarians, they grew their subsistence crops and in fallow times would travel from town to town to see family. Some were traveling merchants whose living it was to go from town to town selling their wares. In many instances these traveling merchants up and left their home town if they found another town more desirable with better prospects for making a living. Some males had families in more than one town, they might take up with someone in another town.

Kidnapping

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Well, I understand, but was furious when my husband decided not to teach my
children Spanish....I said he should speak to them in Spanish, and I would in
English...but he refused...and now both children regret not knowing the gift

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Re: Kidnapping

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I think the concept of kidnapping that you are talking about is what we think about today as eloping. Basically the couple ran away to get married without parental consent.

Just my two centavos,
Angie

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Angie,

thats true,? my grandmother was 'kidnapped' by my grandfather.? thats what she always stated, but my mom said well you stayed with him!!!! she had 7 kids to boot!!!

Stella

-----Original Message-----
From: aajay1073
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 2:06 pm
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Kidnapping

I think the concept of kidnapping that you are talking about is what we think
about today as eloping. Basically the couple ran away to get married without
parental consent.

Just my two centavos,
Angie

Kidnapping

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My grandfather used to tell me about this. It was very common to have girls literally "swept" off their feet and onto a horse. My dad says that my grandmother stopped 2 men one time from taking my aunt because she happen to have my grandfather's rifle next to her when washing in the river. I know many stories of women having to marry totally unknown strangers. It happened to my husband's grandmother. They stole her at age 12!

OK, that's MY two cents :-)

------Original Message------
From: aajay1073
Sender: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
ReplyTo: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Dec 17, 2007 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Kidnapping

I think the concept of kidnapping that you are talking about is what we think about today as eloping. Basically the couple ran away to get married without parental consent.

Just my two centavos,
Angie

Kidnapping

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OK, that's MY two cents :-)

I think the concept of kidnapping that you are talking about is what we think about today as eloping. Basically the couple ran away to get married without parental consent.

Just my two centavos,
Angie

Kidnapping

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I am a little late to reply to this subject, and I do find the concept fascinating some of the research I have done has this practice going back to the early Romans going to other camps and stealing the woman ala the origins of "carrying the brides across the threshold" There was just not enough unrelated woman to go around.
Mari

----- Original Message ----
From: "Latina1955@aol.com"
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 6:36:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Kidnapping

I digress...I wanted to address the subject of "kidnapping"...in truth, this
was a wide spread practice...particularly in communities that had not set up
accepted rituals. My father-in-law- "robo" my mother-in-law...and their
stories naturally differ...but when I was first exposed to this practice, I
realized that this was not new...indeed the practice of having a best man results
from the European ritual of taking a bride with the assistance of friends...

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Glad to hear I'm not the only one with a "stolen" grandmother. In fact, she was from El Durazno but left at the priests home in Jerez (that's abt 5 miles away) for 3 days while marriage arrangements were made. I'm sure my grandmothers parents were interested in saving their/her honor so marriage was the only option for this 14 year old girl.

Linda

Latina1955@aol.com wrote:
Well, I understand, but was furious when my husband decided not to teach my
children Spanish....I said he should speak to them in Spanish, and I would in
English...but he refused...and now both children regret not knowing the gift
that our parents bestowed upon us...for giving the gift of language is
understanding...

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CUAUHTEMOC, DISTRITO FEDERAL, MEXICO

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http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.mexico.chihuahua/4147/mb…

Anyone know anything about this per chance?:

Subject: CUAUHTEMOC, DISTRITO FEDERAL, MEXICO

Author: silkmiss (silkmiss.msn.com)
Surnames: BIDEZ, DE BIDEZ, DE MURCIA, BAUTISTA
Classification: queries

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CUAUHTEMOC, DISTRITO

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Have you tried different spellings, maybe its written incorrectly. Maybe its Sevilla, because there are several, in DF, Monterrey, Guadalupe and Moriarty.

CUAUHTEMOC, DISTRITO FEDERAL, MEXICO

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Are you referring to Savilla or Cuauhtemoc?

----- Original Message ----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 3:56:00 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] CUAUHTEMOC, DISTRITO FEDERAL, MEXICO

Anyone know anything about this per chance?:

Subject: CUAUHTEMOC, DISTRITO FEDERAL, MEXICO

Author: silkmiss (silkmiss.msn.com)
Surnames: BIDEZ, DE BIDEZ, DE MURCIA, BAUTISTA
Classification: queries

Message Board URL:

Message Board Post:

I am trying to find this place in Mexico. More specifically, I am trying to locate information on Hernando de Bidez who married Juana Bautista on May 23, 1593 there. His place of birth was Savilla. His parents were Alonso de Bidez and Leonor de Mrcia.If you know where this place is or was or if you have any information on this family please contact me.
Thank you.

CUAUHTEMOC, DISTRITO FEDERAL, MEXICO

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that message came from the rootsweb message board. I thought that with
the depth in this group that someone might recognize some of the info
and might want to reply to the poster (silkmiss@msn.com).

thanks,

joseph

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Lori Maurer wrote:
> Are you referring to Savilla or Cuauhtemoc?
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Joseph Puentes
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 3:56:00 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] CUAUHTEMOC, DISTRITO FEDERAL, MEXICO
>
>
> Anyone know anything about this per chance?:
>
>
> Subject: CUAUHTEMOC, DISTRITO FEDERAL, MEXICO
>
> Author: silkmiss (silkmiss.msn.com)
> Surnames: BIDEZ, DE BIDEZ, DE MURCIA, BAUTISTA
> Classification: queries
>
> Message Board URL:
>
> http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.mexico.chihuahua/4147/mb…
>
> Message Board Post:
>
> I am trying to find this place in Mexico. More specifically, I am trying to locate information on Hernando de Bidez who married Juana Bautista on May 23, 1593 there. His place of birth was Savilla. His parents were Alonso de Bidez and Leonor de Mrcia.If you know where this place is or was or if you have any information on this family please contact me.
> Thank you.
>
>

CUAUHTEMOC, DISTRITO FEDERAL, MEXICO

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Mexico City (Distrito Federal) is divided in 16 portions or DELEGACIONES, one of them is named CUAUHTÉMOC. One of the subway stations at this Delegación is named SEVILLA (like the city in Spain) and subway stations in Mexico D.F. are many times named after nearby places or streets.
Regards,
VN

Kidnappings

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Dear Fellow Researchers:

I was surprised to find out that kidnappings were not that unusual. Our ggrandmother was supposedly "stolen" from her parents by a foreigner who was either an engineer or delivered the payroll to the "Mines"

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Both my maternal gradmother and mother were "kidnapped". My mother was 19 and already dating my father. She went out into the patio one night and my dad and a friend grabbed her and took her to his great aunts house. She didn't even have shoes on. It is kind of sad because, even though she loved my father very much, she wasn't quite ready to get married yet.

Her father and mother's story is really sweet. My grandfather and grandmother lived across the path from each other and one day as they were talking, my grandfather pulled my grandma across to his house, and that was that. She's been driving him crazy ever since. :)
Maria Huerta

Juana Mendoza and other Los Altos families

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>
> Hola Ronnie,

I do have the marriage of Juana Regina de Mendoza and Domingo Lomelin in my
database and a few entries for their children (Jose and Manuel), but it may
not be as complete as what you have since they are not my direct lines.

Attention Maria Elena Cortez--MANUEL GOMEZ

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Hola Maria Elena,My name is Ronnie Reynoso from Claremont,Calif. My Granndparents are from Los Altos de Jalisco(San Julian ,Jalisco) about 15 minutes from San Miguel el Alto.I checked your file and noticed you have alot of the same family lines> I was checking Prima Irma Gomez Lucero file on MANUEL GOMEZ-my question is is at the bottom letter to Irma . She wrote back recommended I ask you .Irma doesn't recall her source concerning Juana Mendoza 's children 's spouses. I was wondering what is correct.

Fw: ACEVEDO

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Thank you so much for the information, my Juan Jose Acevedo was married to Manuela de la Vega; since the only records are their sons marriages, I think they must have married between 1750 and 1773, as their first son was born in 1773. His name was Jose Torribio. I appreciate your information is Tlatenango close to Tepetongo?

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Fw: ACEVEDO

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Hi Aida,

Yes, of course, Aida, I think your Juan Jose married to Manuela de la Vega
may very well be connected to the other Juan Jose married to Juana Maria
Villegas. Unfortunately there are very few christening records for Jerez and
Tepetongo before 1750.

I haven't been to Tlaltenango, but I think it's not too far from Tepetongo
and Jerez.

Regards,
Hector

-----Mensaje original-----
De: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] En nombre de Aida
Garralda
Enviado el: Jueves, 13 de Diciembre de 2007 08:45 p.m.
Para: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Asunto: [Nuestros Ranchos] Fw: ACEVEDO

Hector:

Thank you so much for the information, my Juan Jose Acevedo was married to
Manuela de la Vega; since the only records are their sons marriages, I
think they must have married between 1750 and 1773, as their first son was
born in 1773. His name was Jose Torribio. I appreciate your information is
Tlatenango close to Tepetongo?
There could still possibly be a connection don't you think?

Thank you
Aida
garralda@cox.net

----- Original Message -----
From: Héctor Felix Aizcorbe
To: garralda@cox.net
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:52 AM
Subject: ACEVEDO

Aida:

Attached is an Excel file which shows the ancestro of Maria Luisa de Acevedo
y Alarcon, my ancestor, the sister of Juan Jose de Acevedo.

Regards,

Hector

Fw: ACEVEDO

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Tepetongo and Tlaltenango are definitely near each other. Traveling north from Guadalajara though the Tlaltenango Valley, you pass El Teul, then Tepechitlan, then Tlaltenango, then Colotlan and then Tepetongo.

Because Colotlan was ruled mostly as a military/autonomous region for most of its colonial history, the surrounding areas that were not were very much integrated. There are many documents that refer to a "Jurisdiccion de Jerez y Tlaltenango" meaning that the two areas were basically administered jointly.

Furthermore reading old Tlaltenango marriage records, there are many many marriages between Jerez and Tlaltenango families, especially among the espanoles given that in those early years there were so few of them and thus their either intermarried with indigenous or more often blacks or brought wives from a nearby town with other whites.

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San Juan Bautista is the parish of Sombrerette
--
Esther A. Herold

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> San Juan Bautista is the name of a parrish or the name of a town or a ranch?

Teocaltiche: Leathercraft Y Los Rodriguez (M.Vallazza)

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