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Announcements (banns) are supposed to be made three consecutive Sundays prior to the wedding, so this suggests at least three weeks prior. However, I've also seen the informacion matrimonial much closer to the wedding.

If a dispensation is needed, it could be months prior.

Thus, I think 6 weeks prior is a good time to start; if you don't find anything, try 2 or 3 months prior to that.

If the informacion matrimonial is not found, it is also possible that it was done in a different parish if one of the partners was not from the parish where the wedding took place.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Hello Edward,

The books on DNA testing are outdated and don't do proper comparisons or
explanations. DNA testing is a new field and advances are happening too
rapidly. Learning is done through websites and blogs.

Ancestry.com and Family Finder do autosomal testing. Autosomal testing
looks at the DNA that you inherited from all of your ancestral lines. You
don't inherit autosomal DNA from all of your ancestors but you do inherit
autosomal DNA from all of your ancestors. It can be confusing and hard to
explain.The following site has charts that can somewhat explain what you
are wanting to know http://www.dnainheritance.kahikatea.net/autosomal.html

Family Finder is much better than Ancestry.com because it allows you to see
which chromosome you coincide with your matches. This allows for
triangulation in order to pinpoint which ancestors passed down that segment
of autosomal DNA. Family Finder also tells you how much autosomal DNA you
have in common. Anything less than 5.5 is called IBS Identity by State and
is insignificant.

Ancestry.com is also different than Family Finder which is also different
from 23andme which is also different than Geno 2.0. I prefer using the
Family Finder raw data and running it through the Dodecad Globe13 which
includes Amerindian testing and also has a source database. Only Globe13
and Geno 2.0 inlcude source population info. They are the most transparent
calculators. The names of the ancestral components of Globe13 closely match
those of Gen0 2.0. A program for using the Globe13 calculator is at
http://www.y-str.org/tools/diy-dodecad-wrapper/

You can download all of your Family Finder files by using
http://www.dnagedcom.com/FamilyTreeDNA/default.aspx

Y-DNA helps identify the paternal line and can provide matches on the
paternal line. If you relatives that you don't know their paternal then
they should get a Y-DNA test. The mtDNA is strictly the female line. If you
have relatives for which you can't identify the female line the mtDNA test
might help but since the mtDNA changes so slowly it is hard to identify how
two females are related. It is more for determining if it is Amerindian or
European.

If your relatives get an autosomal test it will help with triangulation.
http://dna-explained.com/2013/06/21/triangulation-for-autosomal-dna/

If you upload your raw Family Finder data to www.gedmatch.com you will be
able to triangulate with others once that feature is put back on the site.
It takes 6 weeks for the file to process so you want to get the file
uploaded as soon as possible.

You should also read the following presentation on autosomal testing
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/21841126/DNA.pptx

Regards,
Armando

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Hello my name is Edward Arce Luna I'm really new at this DNA testing,but I
would like
some information. I have done DNA testing on ancestry.com I did the
paternal and maternal testing I've also did family Finder DNA testing on
family tree DNA . I would like to get some of my siblings, uncles, aunts,
Tested. I'm not sure which test would benefit me, Would it be the
Paternal DNA or maternal or family finder testing.?Any books or any website
you
Can recommend that would give some basic information on the DNA testing
interpretations?
I have done the DNA testing on ancestry.com. Which is the paternal and
maternal.
I also done some DNA testing on family DNA. Now the family Finder DNA
results are somewhat different compared to the ancestry.com DNA testing I'm
a little confused!
Saludos
Edward Luna

Hi Consuelo, please see my family line as I have many Robalcaba (various spellings), Soto and Sanches from Teocaltiche, Arroyo Seco, Jalisco. Please let me know if you see any familiar names. I too have Robalacaba fom Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes.

Consuelo,

I do have some connections with the Udave family. While they are seemingly not related to me, they did marry into my husband's family the Bargas or Vargas from Teocaltiche but the Udave's I have originated in Villa Hidalgo and then moved to Nochistlan, Zac.

Will you by chance be attending the conference in Sacramento on Sept 14th. Nueva Galicia Genealogcial Society.
http://www.nuevagalicia.net/special_events/

You'd get to meet other members with common interests and from the same region and you and I could review and exchange information. There will be two speakers presenting on Nueva Galicia with a focus on our regions. I will contact you off-line.

Alicia

________________________________
From: Consuelo Udave
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 3:46 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] As a brand new member...

I'd like to provide a brief introduction of my genealogy background for the membership at Nuestros Ranchos:

I began my mother's patrilineal genealogy research in June of 2010, and have been actively researching and documenting our Udabe ancestors, particularly from the towns of Teocaltiche (1700-1800) and Villa Hidalgo (1800-1930), with an emphasis on Rancho Arroyo Seco, just outside of Villa Hidalgo (formerly known as-Paso de Sotos) in Jalisco.  My mothers's matrilineal lineage derives mostly from Calvillo, Aguascalientes, and possibly from Zacatecas.

I'm eager to find other researchers who might have ties to or any information regarding the following surnames-
Udabe (Udave, Eudave, Udavi, etc.), Esparza, Salas, Serna, Soto, Lopez, Rios, Aguallo, Rubalcava, Penalola, Ornelas, Romo, Reynoso, Rodriguez, Sanches, Arizmendes, Delgado, de la Serda-from the following locations: Teocaltiche, Paso de Sotos, Villa Hidalgo, and Rancho Arroyo Seco, in Jalisco, Mexico.

I'm also researching:
Penalosa, Salas, Martinez, Mondragon, Marin, Bargas, Rubio, Duron, Salasar, Ramirez, Marques, Robalcava-in Calvillo, Aguascalientes, Mexico.  I'm looking for  any information for Pablo Salas and Juana Mondragon, probably married in Aguascalientes, around the timeframe of 1840-1850, and their son, Magdaleno Salas, born about 1851…location unknown…but most likely in Aguascalientes, also.

I believe my mother's Udabe ancestor originated in the Basque areas of Spain, however, I've yet to identify or document any specific ancestral connections across the Atlantic.  I've located and "googled" a small village by the name of Udabe-Basaburua in the Pyrenees Mountains, and have been able to enjoy seeing a 360-degree view of it from the main road through town.  The countryside is quite beautiful and pastoral, from what I can see!

I'm willing to exchange information, and I do my own research and documentation.  I speak very little Spanish, but can read and understand "un poquito"- (especially with the help of online translation sites).  I was born and raised in the United States, and both of my parents (now deceased) spoke Spanish at home…so I'm not totally unfamiliar with the language.

I've followed the Nuestros Ranchos website for several years now-in the public forums and I very recently obtained N.R. membership.  I look forward to corresponding with the various researchers within the N. R. membership.

Sincerely,
Consuelo H. Udave
Bremerton, WA, USA

Welcome, I like your resume!

I know you'll accomplish your goals. We have a few common surnames that we're researching. Most of mine are from Jalisco and Zacatecas.

I have a free RootsWeb.com Family Tree that perhaps may help you. It's called "jalisco families" and this is the link

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=jalisco_fa…

Jose Carlos de Leon

They may or may not be related, since Autlán, Jalisco is a long way from San Francisco del Rincon, Gto (417 km), but I have found three generations of Juan de León in Autlán.

The first was married to Juana Franco

The second Juan de León, son of the of the first, married Juana de Medina 21 Nov 1738 in Autlán. That would put the first Juan de León as born ca.1688
assuming 25 yrs per generation. Here is the image of the marriage https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18522-1079-5?cc=1874591&wc=M….

The third Juan de León died 24 May 1788 in Autlán. He was the son of the second couple. Here is that image. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18531-30756-96?cc=1874591&wc…

I don{t know if it will help, but you never know. I just saw that the second Juan de León was from Guachinango, Jalisco which is a little closer toSan Francisco del Rincon (357 km).

Good luck!

Sergio Salés

Angelica Iglesias Amador--I am also looking for some information on Bartola. and Victorio. My great grandfather was one of their kids. Crispin Amador, b 1890. He married Luisa Delgadillo. Did you find any more info on the Amador's or Romo's, specifically Victorio or Bartola? I hit a road block.

Hi
You would have thought they would have changed it (M) after our
conversation. It was giving them problems. I guess they 'forgot'.

MG

In a message dated 8/18/2013 11:58:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
chilerey@msn.com writes:

Thank you everybody. I just put the capital letter M(exico) and and it
worked . Muy strange ,but it worked.

thank you

Ronnie Reynoso pariente a casi todos de Los Altos

Jessica

Your query is somewhat vague.

I assume what you are saying is that you have found a reference for an extracted church record, but are having trouble finding the original.

The extracted records almost, but not always, give you the film number, for the record. The posted films often, but again not always, start with the film number. This will tell you if you are looking at the right film.

If the posted films do not have the number, then look up the film number in the FHL catalog, This will identify the film by the period covered so you can go to the right group of records at the website.

After than, the records should be in chronological order. That is usually true, but note that auxilliary chapels may have their records separate from the main parish records, often just a group at the end of each month. If the volume of records is in poor condition, the pages may be out of order.

Some of the apparently extracted records are actually from information submitted by individuals. These can be problematic. In some cases I have been able to find the original, in others, I have not.

Baptisms and marriages are sometimes in the same volume, but still usually separated (eg, first part is baptisms, followed by marriages).

In rare cases, there are errors in the extracted data. This complicates the search.

Good luck in you search.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

Hello Marta,

I don't have any information on your Joseph Rodriguez; however, I was wondering if you know who his wife's parents were ... I think one possibility is Miguel Vargas and Catarina Aguilar, if so we might have a common ancestor.

-Angelina-

Hello, what a small world. I have also researched the family records of Zacoalco and have noticed the "v" and "Y"'s you mention. In Zacoalco this is more often seen starting around the second half of the 19th century. Before that, the parish priests used the usual racial terms as in other parishes: espanol, indio, mestizo, mulato, coyote, etc. Comparing my ancestors in Zacoalco, I have noticed that vecino encompasses all castes and indio, well just indio, native. At the turn of the 20th century, they stopped using those terms.

I agree that you shouldn't count these terms as actual proof of the race of our ancestors. They usually referred to physical appearance and sometimes, social status. One example, my 4th great grandfather Domingo Apodaca was married as a mestizo, (half espanol half indio) His wife was described as espanola, and their children became espanoles, except for one who was described mulato! As for Domingo, I found his death certificate and guess what, he was no longer a mestizo, but espanol! Anyways, use those terms as possible clues, but not as factual evidence.

By the way, what families are you researching in Zacoalco? I grew up in Zacoalco and many of my family lines are in Zacoalco and nearby Santa Catarina. Especifically in Zacoalco, I have the surnames Martinez, Rodriguez, Frias, Aguilar, Castro, and way back, Gonzales de la Campa. Check my family tree in the files section and see if anything sounds familiar.

Steve in NC

on the interaccila marriage legality, that depended on both parties economic classes, and parental approval. interracial marriage wasn't illegal per say, but if the wealthier parties's parents didn't want the marriage to happen, they can elgally prevent the marriage usually, since parental approval played a big role in marriages.

anyways you can't always rely on the racial categorizations in mexican records. they aren't always accurate.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20614

Madera

The correct last name would be spelled, "Huizar" as there are a lot of people with that last name in Valparaiso and Huejuquilla.

But in the archives sometimes the recorder would mispell the name and could spell it "Guizar" like they would spell Valparaiso as "Balparaiso"

Have you tried the online archives:

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&region=MEXICO

Edgar Olguin Diaz
HOLA FERERO
UN CORDIAL SALUDO
ME PODRIAS ORIENTAR COMO PUEDO CONSEGUIR ESTE TESTAMENTO DE PEDRO ROMO DE VIVAR
PERO EL DOCUMENTO ORIGINAL O ME PODRIAS PASAR EL ENLACE PARA BUSCARLO
O SI LO TIENES ME LO PODRIAS COMPARTIR?
TE LO AGRADECERIA MUCHO
QUE TENGAS UN BUEN DIA
SALUDOS
BYE

Gracias Felipe por trabajar este documento. Le pido a cual quier person que tenga conexiones a cual quier persona en este documento que se comunique conmigo para compara datos.

Mi bisabuela materna era Francisca GABAI TISCARINO RUIZ ESPARZA casada con Joseph DELGADO DIAZ

(* Please contact me if you have any connection with anyone mentioned in this document)

Luis JAIME

Does anyone know who Pedro ROMO DE VIVAR was married to?

Thanks,
Luis Jaime

Muy buen documento histórico, aporta datos muy interesantes para conformar nuestra genealogía relacionada con estas familias cuyos apellidos nombra, sin embargo
tengo la misma duda que mi antecesor que comento, Don Pedro Roma de Vivar llama hermano a Juan de Tiscareño y ademas llama suegro a Luis de Tiscareño
siendo que Don Pedro esta casado con Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza, haber si alguien tiene una idea de lo que quiso decir Don Pedro Romo de Vivar, saludos a todos.

Felipe,

Solo le queria agradecer la Transcripción paleográfica del Testamento de Don Pedro Romo de Vivar. Yo tenia algunos datos sobre esta familia, pero me faltaban dos hijos. Tengo una pregunta sobre el testamento. Don Pedro Romo de Vivar nombra a un hermano "Juan de Tiscareño". ¿Se refiere a su cuñado y es cosa del lenguaje de esa epoca o es error del Notario?

Maria E. Cortez

Mensaje para el Sr. Felipe Reyes,

Muchísimas gracias por compartir su transcripción paleográfica del testamento de Don Pedro Romo de Vivar con miembros del grupo. Esos documentos son muy importantes para el aficionado a la genealogía, ya que por lo regular contienen valiosos datos genealógicos difíciles de conseguir por otros medios. Una pregunta respecto a la traducción de la palabra "Yten" que aparece en casi todos los testamentos de esa época. Yo siempre la he considerado como una abreviatura de "Y también", pero me he dado cuenta que usted la ha traducido como "Item". Existe algún diccionario que puede utilizarse para hacer estas traducciones, o se trata de una traducción de su propio criterio? Muchas gracias.

Guillermo Figueroa