My father used to refer to Jerez as "mi Pueblo".  Was that correct for his time (1913)?

 

The only other word he would use was "la ciudad de" when he spoke of the larger cities, especially when the city had the same name as the state.

 

Emilie Garcia

Port Orchard, WA

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Many thanks joseph...

Carol Lester

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes 
Sent: Jul 1, 2005 4:23 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Alvarez, Campos de Momax, Zacatecas


its a list of contact information for the various churches in Zacatecas. 
More of the central churches in the various areas. Look at the message 
from Alicia for more info related to this. Hmmm, I didn't explain that 
very well. . .would anyone care to fill in or correct my fumbling effort?

joseph

Carol Lester wrote:

>Hello Joseph:
>
>I was wondering if you have a copy of the Momax, Zacatecas or Los Velas Momax, Zacatecas areas of the mexican phone book?  If so, is there any 'Campos' or 'Alvarez' names you could send me?  I haven't made much progress with any new information for my mexican families.  Especially Alvarez!  I am beginning to think my father's father was a 'myth'!!  I went to the obispadozacatecas.org.mx/M7.htm site, but I don't understand what it is.  Can you

Joseph,

I think that the closest English equivalent of "rancho" is "town".  The word town is as small and varied as the word "rancho".  A town can be anything from a single dwelling to a formally organized group of homes and families with formal organization.  I think it's important to keep in mind that some words in use today are holdovers from long ago.  For example, "villa" meant a community with at least 25 white european families as permanent residents.  Permission had to petitioned from the Spanish Crown to be granted such status.  A "pueblo" was a community in which biracial, white, and indigenous people lived.  A "ranchería" was a community of indigenous people only (usually "wild", i.e. unbaptized).  The other term I have seen while reading old documents is "estancia".  This last word refers to a bivouac area.  These terms and their meanings disappeared along with the Spanish after Mexico separated from Spain.  I think that the word "pueblo" has remained in the voaculary of

Yes, I agree with you.

Alberto Duarte
Santa Maria, California

--- Emilie Garcia  wrote:

> Yes,  Alicia,
> 
> I also have wondered where a correspondent on the
> group lives, and thinking it would be helpful to
> those reading my e-mails, I usually end my e-mails
> with my full name and where I am located.  I often
> wish others would do likewise.
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alicia Carrillo
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 2:22 PM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] File - Who's Who
> 
> I know that I have found the who's who extremely
> valuable. When someone sends a message and I'm
> curious about their (specific research area I just
> go to who's who and do a quick look up on their
> area, surnames etc. Sometimes I wonder to myself,
> "where does this person live? and this I can also
> find quickly in who's who. So please if you have not
> already posted on who's who, please do because it's
>

Just one thing that I missed from the last post:

A "Ranchería" is a collection of ranchos.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Victor Villarreal"  
wrote:
> Emilie,
> 
> In Mexico every State has a constitution that sets its own laws and 
> codes, including the definition and requirements of 
their "Political-
> Administrative Categories".  For example, I found on the Internet 
> some code from the State of Chiapas, which I believe is very much 
> like the code from other Mexican States.  What follows is a summary 
> as far as inhabitants is concerned:
> 
> Name            Inhabitants
> Ciudad (City) at least 10,000 
> Villa (Village) at least 5,000 
> Pueblo (Town) at least 2,500
> Rancherías, Etc. at least 300
> 

Emilie,

In Mexico every State has a constitution that sets its own laws and 
codes, including the definition and requirements of their "Political-
Administrative Categories".  For example, I found on the Internet 
some code from the State of Chiapas, which I believe is very much 
like the code from other Mexican States.  What follows is a summary 
as far as inhabitants is concerned:

Name            Inhabitants
Ciudad (City) at least 10,000 
Villa (Village) at least 5,000 
Pueblo (Town) at least 2,500
Rancherías, Etc. at least 300

What follows is the text in Spanish which sets other requirements.  
Of course as a human settlement grows it acquires a new category, 
which is the same as saying that today's cities are 
yesterday's "rancherías".  Please note that those numbers above are 
taken from the State of Chiapas code.  Zacatecas or Jalisco's 
requirements can vary.

Victor



ARTICULO 5.- LAS CATEGORIAS POLITICO-ADMINISTRATIVAS SE CLASIFICAN EN:
I.- CIUDADES;
II.- VILLAS;
III.-

Alicia,

Right.  A "rancho" refers in México to a small plot of land dedicated 
either to agricultural farming or animal husbandry.  It can have one 
or more houses and it usually is the property of a single family.

An "hacienda" is like a ranch but on a much larger scale, it can have 
many houses and people, usually the owners and the workers that 
attend the fields and animals.

A "poblado" is a community or settlement of people larger than a 
rancho or hacienda, but smaller than a village.

The Mexican equivalent of a village is a "villa" or a "pueblo". This 
is the intermediate entity between a poblado and a "ciudad" or city.

Victor
 
--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
> Victor,
>  
> You are correct in your translation, however at least in our region 
and I think that maybe in the other rural towns a rancho as the 
locals call it can be the one house with it's small plot of land. 
When we went in September you travelled down the dirt roads on