Emilie,

As I remember, Posada created a caricature of the overdressed upper class types in 19th Century Mexico.  El Catrin = "dandy" and la Catrina is the feminine form of the word.  La Catrina was a person but a generic stereotype.  Posada did not intend the caricature to be a complimentary one.The only other people I heard use the word "catrin" were the pachucos in the late 1940's and the early '50's.  They used it to describe someone who was dressed up and looked "sharp".  I grew up in Southern Cal and saw many pachucos including family members.

David in Albany, CA

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From: "Steve G. Apodaca" 
Sent: Jul 5, 2005 4:12 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] La Catrina





Here is a link to the picture of La Catrina



http://muertos.palomar.edu/posada/skelhat.JPG">http://muertos.palomar.edu/posada/skelhat.JPG



There are several of Posada's drawings in the following page. Just 

Here is a link to the picture of La Catrina

http://muertos.palomar.edu/posada/skelhat.JPG

There are several of Posada's drawings in the following page. Just 
scroll down to "Calaveras"

http://muertos.palomar.edu/posdad.htm

Steve.
OC,CA



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" 
 wrote:
> Ok, now, who is La Catrina?  Even my husband, who was more into 
the culture until the age of 12 in El Paso, doesn't know either.
> 
> Emilie Garcia
> Port Orchard, WA
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Natalie
> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 4:38 AM
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [ranchos] Dia de los Muertos
> 
> I don't remember "celebrating" this holiday as a youngster (in 
the  
> 40's & 50's), either. And it is only in the last 10-15 yrs that I  
> have been exposed to this custom.
> In the past two years the Smithsonian has had public programs for  
> DDLM, (one day affairs) with music (strolling mariachi), dance,  
> displays, and crafts.
> The

El dia de los muertos is celebrated differently, depending on the 
region of Mexico where you are at. My family, and the people I know 
in Zacoalco and Guadalajara, visit their dead loved ones on November 
2 each year. I remember that when I was a kid they took me several 
times to my grandfather's grave, and I remember that after a short 
prayer, my dad used to talk directly to my grandfather, staring at 
his grave, just like if he was having a conversation with him. I am 
used to this, but maybe someone may think it is weird. Anyways, 
after "talking" with my grandfather, we always cut some sugar cane 
from a plantation inside the cemetery and ate the sticks on the way 
back home.

I did not learn about altars for the dead until I came to the United 
States. In Jalisco, I never saw one, I guess it is not a tradition 
in the state. In California, I found out that those who put the 
altars were mostly people from Michoacan. Down there, they really 
have a big celebration for November 2

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Maria,
	I thought about this a lot this weekend.  I spent some time with my
folks this weekend.  My parents told me the same thing.  They pray the
rosary and have masses said for the dead.  They also reminded me that the
cemetery only holds their bodies, not their souls.  I guess this says it
all.  Wow!
Irma 

-----Original Message-----
From: readysetgo95814 [mailto:nena@...] 
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 11:25 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Margarita's rememberance of Jerez, Zacatecas

Wow Irma, your Dad sounds just like mine.  The last time I went to San
Nicolas with him I asked about going to the cemetery where my grandfather is
buried and he had no interest in doing that. He asked me why I wanted to go.
I explained to him that I might find some valuable genealogical information
there.  He said there were not many headstones and there were mostly wooden
crosses on otherwise unmarked graves.  I still would like to go and see for
myself and plan do so sometime in

The following site might also be helpful with info on "La Catrina":
http://www.azcentral.com/ent/dead/history/posada,html

nc

First, let me apologize for possibly misspelling the name - I didn't 
bother to double check - and still haven't. "La Catrina" is the calaca 
figure created by the artist Jose Guadalupe Posada; a female often 
depicted with a wide-brimmed hat trimmed with feathers, and wearing a 
blouse and skirt. You might try to google Jose Guadalupe Posada. (Note: 
please excuse missing accents - haven't memorized the rules.)
The following is the site for the Mexican Cultural Institute:
http://www.embassyofmexico.org/mci/news.htm
Hasta la proxima,

Natalie Coleman, VA

Rancho:

Un rancho es un asentamiento o lugar donde se establece una persona o 
una comunidad.

Rancho: es un lugar fuera de una poblacion donde se albergan varias 
personas.

Rancho: Granja donde se crian caballos, vacas y otros animales 
domesticos.

Hay ranchos dedicados a la Agricultura y otros a la Ganaderia.

I hope this helps.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA
S.W. Riverside County