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Father's paranthetical name

I had run across this before with another record that I must have not 
gotten a copy of and if I remember correctly, I think your first 
theory is correct Jose.

In this record, Jose Maria Miramontes appears as the padrino later in 
the record, along with his wife.  I think that what happened was that 
perhaps the padrinos went to baptize the child without the father and 
the sacristan must have written down the wrong name on whatever he 
was recording on and then the priest corrected the record when he 
wrote it into the book?  Is this the way the process works?

In the other record, the grandfather is erroneously listed as the 
father (in parenthesis) and then appears as the maternal 
grandfather.  I think that once the priest started writing out the 
whole record, he must have run across the conflicting information and 
corrected it, but left in the paranthetical name to match the 
original information that was taken at the actual ceremony...

The baptismal record is from 1907 in

Father's paranthetical name

Victor,  that sounds logical.  I had thought of that also, but in
the example given, the grandparents surname names didn't match either surname of
the father.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 2:48
PM
Subject: [ranchos] Re: Father's
paranthetical name

I will venture my opinion regarding this matter.  I
haven't found any similar record but this is my opinion.

I believe both names refer to
the same person, Jose Maria Miramontes and Telesforo Gutierrez.  But the
scribe, unwilling to act against his conscience and being in any way
untruthful, he decided to write the person's baptismal given name and the
person's self-declared, newly (for whatever reasons) adopted name. 
Besides, the church's sacramental books were privy objects, or so they thought
at that time, so who would question?.

Victor

--- In
ranchos@yahoogroups.com,

Meeting in Sacramento

Joseph,
 
I too wish that you could be here. I had the privilege of meeting with you, Helyn, Rich and Kitty in August and wish we could be closer to have more face to face meetings. I guess as Jonathan says that is why we are planning to meet in Salt Lake next October but it seems ooh so long to wait. (sigh).
 
I don't have a video camera and I'm hoping someone else in the group will have one.
 
Alicia

Joseph Puentes wrote:

all you guys are so bad! Why don't we meet in Rougemont instead of Sacramento!!! I want to go. . .can someone bring a video camera and send me the tape? Please. . .I want to dance and party with my Ranchos family.

joseph. . .triste en NC


Irma GomezLucero wrote:

Hi Prima,
    You know I'm game.  I'm also sure the other two cousins that we've gotten together with before would be interested.  Please let me know when and where..
Irma



From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of readysetgo95814
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005

Meeting in Sacramento

Robert, Irma and Alicia:

I am just delighted to have enough interest.  I think we should time 
it around Alicia's schedule since she is the one who has the longer 
drive.  I'll coordinate with Alicia for a time and date and get back 
to the rest of the group.

Maria

-- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, robert hernandez  wrote:
>
> Sign me up . . I actually live in Sacramento . . .I
> don't mind doing the logistics . . .just give me a
> time and date . . .
> 
> --- Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
> 
> > Maria,
> >  
> > I would love to meet with you and anyone else in the
> > group. I go up there once or twice a month as my
> > daughter lives in Roseville, my mom in Citrus
> > Heights, my sister in Auburn and my brother in
> > Carmichael, all within close proximity of
> > Sacaramento.
> >  
> > Thanks for the invite, let me know where and when.
> >  
> > Hasta luego...........Alicia Carrillo de San Jose,
> > Ca
> > 
> > readysetgo95814  wrote:
> > In

Meeting in Sacramento

Joseph,

That is why we are having the get together in Salt Lake next
year.

Jonathan

--------- Original Message --------
From:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: "ranchos@yahoogroups.com"

Subject: Re: [ranchos] Meeting in
Sacramento
Date: 10/27/05 02:22

all you guys are so bad! Why don't
we meet in Rougemont instead of Sacramento!!! I want to go. . .can someone
bring a video camera and send me the tape? Please. . .I want to dance and
party with my Ranchos family.

joseph. . .triste en NC


Irma
GomezLucero wrote:
Hi Prima,
   
You know I'm game.  I'm also sure
the other two cousins that we've gotten together with before would be
interested.  Please let me know when and where..
Irma



From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of readysetgo95814
Sent: Wednesday, October 26,
2005 5:33 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[ranchos] Meeting in Sacramento

In reading Alicia's
note about meeting in person I was reminded of a
conversation I recently
had

Meeting in Sacramento

all you guys are so bad! Why don't we meet in Rougemont instead of
Sacramento!!! I want to go. . .can someone bring a video camera and
send me the tape? Please. . .I want to dance and party with my Ranchos
family.



joseph. . .triste en NC





Irma GomezLucero wrote:

Hi Prima,
    You know I'm game.  I'm also
sure the other two cousins that we've gotten together with before would
be interested.  Please let me know when and where..
Irma



From:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
readysetgo95814

Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 5:33 PM

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [ranchos] Meeting in Sacramento


In reading Alicia's note about meeting in person I was reminded
of a

conversation I recently had with my prima Anna.  There are several of

us who live in the Sacramento area and we thought it would be nice to

get a group together and meet to exchange ideas and share genealogy

tips and tricks. Any interest out there

Meeting in Sacramento

Sign me up . . I actually live in Sacramento . . .I
don't mind doing the logistics . . .just give me a
time and date . . .

--- readysetgo95814  wrote:

> In reading Alicia's note about meeting in person I
> was reminded of a 
> conversation I recently had with my prima Anna. 
> There are several of 
> us who live in the Sacramento area and we thought it
> would be nice to 
> get a group together and meet to exchange ideas and
> share genealogy 
> tips and tricks. Any interest out there?
> 
> Maria Cortez
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


Meeting in Sacramento

Sign me up . . I actually live in Sacramento . . .I
don't mind doing the logistics . . .just give me a
time and date . . .

--- Alicia Carrillo  wrote:

> Maria,
>  
> I would love to meet with you and anyone else in the
> group. I go up there once or twice a month as my
> daughter lives in Roseville, my mom in Citrus
> Heights, my sister in Auburn and my brother in
> Carmichael, all within close proximity of
> Sacaramento.
>  
> Thanks for the invite, let me know where and when.
>  
> Hasta luego...........Alicia Carrillo de San Jose,
> Ca
> 
> readysetgo95814  wrote:
> In reading Alicia's note about meeting in person I
> was reminded of a 
> conversation I recently had with my prima Anna. 
> There are several of 
> us who live in the Sacramento area and we thought it
> would be nice to 
> get a group together and meet to exchange ideas and
> share genealogy 
> tips and tricks. Any interest out there?
> 
> Maria Cortez
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------

Meeting in Sacramento

color=#0000ff size=2>Hi Prima,

   
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>You know I'm game.  I'm also sure the other
two cousins that we've gotten together with before would be interested. 
Please let me know when and where..

color=#0000ff size=2>Irma





From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
readysetgo95814
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 5:33
PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Meeting in
Sacramento


In reading Alicia's note about meeting in person I was reminded
of a
conversation I recently had with my prima Anna.  There are several
of
us who live in the Sacramento area and we thought it would be nice to

get a group together and meet to exchange ideas and share genealogy
tips
and tricks. Any interest out there?

Maria Cortez