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some unusual marriage records i came accross today

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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18412-14267-72?cc=1874591&wc…

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Published by RJQ – Mon, 2014-11-24 09:30 | Permalink

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There was no dispensa given in the first one, but the information was sent as "just in case" likely because the groom didn't know quite well the requirements, there is usually a consent from either the mother of father of each party, He got none but the priest says since he is 24 years old he did not needed it. The bride was adopted and the extra note was to let the "office" know that she didn't knew it but non the less there are no civil or blood lines "undercovered". Really interesting documents, I wonder if Juariti was a variation of Juaregui.

After the Mexican Independence the Catholic faith was obligated until the Benito Juarez reforms, thus people would try to comply with this independently of their true believes and some would go as far as re-baptizing or getting dispensas like the second link, although some people just didn't mention it. No as much freedom as the school books keep telling us :)

Thanks for sharing.

RJ Quiralta

Published by coronaarechiga – Sat, 2014-11-22 21:45 | Permalink

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Hello Kathy, so glad to hear from you again.

I believe that in the first Dispensa the priest is showing extreme caution. As he says in the letter, the groom is adopted and the son of a wonderful family. He wants to ensure that there are no problems for the couple in the future.

The second Dispensa, to me, seems more odd. The groom is from England and a widower. It appears that the groom is wishing to convert to the Catholic religion in order to be married in the church. The priest mentions all of the specific details that he has instructed him on, that the groom understands, and that he even signed his acceptance.

Thank you for providing this service which I know is very tedious and time consuming.
Deedra Corona

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I have recently joined the group and want to take this opportunity to
introduce myself. My name is Sheila Prader and I have several ancestors
from Jalisco, including Los Altos de Jalisco. Some of my locations are

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Published by Juan Carlos Correa – Wed, 2010-10-13 20:31 | Permalink

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Sheila:

It is a pleasure to hear from you and all the acomplishment you have achieved. On my maternal grandfather I am related to the guerrero surname. Manuel guerrero back to the 1800's

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Primos y parientes...
alguno de ustedes saben de casualidad los nombres de los padres de Manuel Guerrero y María Simona Sánches (sic) todo sucedido en Ayo el Chico, no he podido localizarles y es, creo yo, último eslabón para mi genealogía de los Hernández Gamiño. también si se tuviera el dato del matrimonio en Ayo agradecería mucho. Quedo a la espera de alguna alma caritativa..
edo Hernández Padilla

Published by Edward Serros – Wed, 2006-05-03 21:35 | Permalink

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Sheila P,

Since you have worked for George Ryskamp and are familiar with Mexican genealogy information, I am interested in any help you can give us in using the Archivo General de la Nacion (Mexico). Indirectly I have been forwarded specific data via Mexican geneologists (de la Torre, del Hoyo) who have used the Archivo. I have accessed the AGN website but have not found it particularly helpful, largely because I am not sure how to use it properly---sign up?, navigation, data possibilites, etc. Maybe you are familiar with it.

Last weekend I was at the University of California San Diego in La Jolla which reportedly has the Archivo General de la Nacion. However, the AGN at UCSD appears to be spread out over very many different areas in the library, not just one major collection.

A sample, perhaps poor one, of the Archivo General de la Nacion (Valparaiso, Mexico) is as follows.

FECHA: A¥O 1780.

VOLUMEN. 1191.
EXPEDIENTE. 1.
FOJAS. 1-12.
GRUPO DOCUMENTAL. INQUISICION.

DON IGNACIO DE VILLEGAS Y SANDOVAL, VECINO DE ESTA CIUDAD Y
COMERCIANTE EN LIBROS, SOLICITA LICENCIA PARA VALUAR LOS
LIBROS QUE QUEDARON POR FALLECIMIENTO DEL SE¥OR CONDE DE
VALPARAISO, MARQUES DEL JARAL DE BERRIO, DE LOS QUE PRESENTA
MEMORIA FIRMADA DE LA SE¥ORA CONDESA DE SAN MATEO DE
VALPARAISO. MEXICO.

My questions for you are as follows:

1. Can you comment on the use of the AGN either via the Internet or at specific libraries? How useful is it?
2. Are you for hire for genealogy reasearch? If so, please email me privately at ed@serros.net. My areas of interest are Mesquitic and Colotlan, Jalisco as well as Valparaiso, Zacatecas.

Thanks,

Edward Serros

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Hi Edward:

I know this e-mail was not addressed to me, but I noticed that you are
interested in Mezquitic. I just got through looking at films from Mezquitic
from 1891- 1903 looking for my mother's birth record. Her name was
Francisca Cerro(s) born in Mar 9, 1903. I just want you to know that there
is not a single person with the last name Cerro(s) listed in those films. I
just thought I might pass this bit of information to you in case you are
looking for : Serro, Serros. Cerro, Cerros. The films are on their way back
to Salt Lake City.

PS: I have already searched Colotlán and Jerez with no luck...I got to try
something else.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

1gnzlz@verizon.net

2. Are you for hire for genealogy reasearch? If so, please email me
privately at ed@serros.net. My areas of interest are Mesquitic and Colotlan,
Jalisco as well as Valparaiso, Zacatecas.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Edward Serros

Published by Edward Serros – Thu, 2006-05-11 16:55 | Permalink

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John,

Thank you for your email. I apologize for taking so long to reply---many excuses that need not be detailed here.

There are not many Cerro or Cerros in Northern Jalisco (Mesquitic, Colotlán, etc.) or Southern Zacatecas (Jerez, Valparaiso, etc.). Leonardo de la Torre, the genealogy researcher, has stated this to me indirectly and so has the 1-2 Cerros that still live in Valparaiso, Zacatecas. Interestingly, my great frandfather's name was Francisco but I could not find any of his immediate relatives that were Francisca, your mother's name.

The valley of Valparaiso stretches down a number of towns as the river meanders its way south from Valparaiso->Potrero de Gallegos->Mesquitic. You can get a good idea of what the valley looks like by going on Google Earth. I have the impression that people worked up and down the river valley, similar to what Joseph Puentes has described in the next river valley just east of there in Colotán. Google Earth also shows you how the various towns we comment on in this group are interconnected. (Sometimes Google Earth is not accurate since the names of the towns are found all over Mexico)

So, we very well be related. I have found a couple of Cerros (Victor, Benita) in Colotlan and a couple in Sombrerete but the biggest group was the aforementioned Valparaiso group. The problem is that our Serros oral family history states that our surname changed from Sanchez to Cerros ~1859 (long story). Furthermore, the few other Cerros I have found were associated with "padre no conocido." I have speculated that Cerros may be an Indian surname that was introduced as part of various illegitimate births, e.g Victor Cerros, no relation to me, had illegitimate lines and so did Sombrerete Cerros.

My Y-DNA is R1b so I am beginning to believe that my paternal line was Sanchez with the introduction of Cerros ~1850's as part of the mating of an Español or more likely Mestizo male with Indian female.

Let me know more of your Cerros line and I will compare. You can send this information to me via email, ed@serros.net

Ed

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Hola Nuestros Ranchos Group,
I’d like to reintroduce myself. My name is Lourdes
Rodriguez. I was originally admitted to the Yahoo
Ranchos Group back in August 2004. Unbeknownst to me,
I was ousted from the group for non participation
during a 6 month break I took last May after the birth
of my son, Cristian Tenamaztli. Needless to say, I am
happy to be back and thankful that the welcome mat was
still laid out.

I started my genealogy quest as part of a class
assignment while in high school many, many years ago.
I never imagined how important the project would
become or that I would still be this involved 20 years
later.

My family is from a rancho called Las Animas (also
known as Daniel Camarena) which is part of el
municipio de Nochistlan, Zacatecas. My family
surnames are Rodriguez, Jimenez, Romo, Oropeza,
Ramirez, Ortega, Melendrez, Contreras, Martinez, Don
Lucas, Nunon and Borrayo. At this point I would say
that 95% of my research is focused in Nochistlan.

I’m looking forward to learning and sharing ideas with
all of you.

Best of luck!

Lulu

P.S. I’m from Northern California, East Bay to be
exact, if anyone is interested in hooking up at a FHC
with me.

____________________________________________________________________________________
Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
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I to am a native Bay Areaian, we have the las Animas rancho in common and probably a few familial ties. my file http://nuestrosranchos.org/node/15275, I also hope to be in the area around the first of March and among other places do the Bancroft Library. Hope to hear from you, Mari

Lourdes Rodriguez wrote: Hola Nuestros Ranchos Group,
I’d like to reintroduce myself. My name is Lourdes
Rodriguez. I was originally admitted to the Yahoo
Ranchos Group back in August 2004. Unbeknownst to me,
I was ousted from the group for non participation
during a 6 month break I took last May after the birth
of my son, Cristian Tenamaztli. Needless to say, I am
happy to be back and thankful that the welcome mat was
still laid out.

I started my genealogy quest as part of a class
assignment while in high school many, many years ago.
I never imagined how important the project would
become or that I would still be this involved 20 years
later.

My family is from a rancho called Las Animas (also
known as Daniel Camarena) which is part of el
municipio de Nochistlan, Zacatecas. My family
surnames are Rodriguez, Jimenez, Romo, Oropeza,
Ramirez, Ortega, Melendrez, Contreras, Martinez, Don
Lucas, Nunon and Borrayo. At this point I would say
that 95% of my research is focused in Nochistlan.

I’m looking forward to learning and sharing ideas with
all of you.

Best of luck!

Lulu

P.S. I’m from Northern California, East Bay to be
exact, if anyone is interested in hooking up at a FHC
with me.

____________________________________________________________________________________
Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather

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Mari,
Have you been to Las Animas? Are your parents from
there or some of your ancestors? I am sure that
almost everyone who comes from Las Animas is related
one way or another. Looking forward to making a
possible connection. Let me know when you are in the
area.
Lulu

--- mari deGuzman wrote:

> I to am a native Bay Areaian, we have the las Animas
> rancho in common and probably a few familial ties.
> my file http://nuestrosranchos.org/node/15275, I
> also hope to be in the area around the first of
> March and among other places do the Bancroft
> Library. Hope to hear from you, Mari
>
> Lourdes Rodriguez
> wrote: Hola Nuestros Ranchos Group,
> I’d like to reintroduce myself. My name is Lourdes
> Rodriguez. I was originally admitted to the Yahoo
> Ranchos Group back in August 2004. Unbeknownst to
> me,
> I was ousted from the group for non participation
> during a 6 month break I took last May after the
> birth
> of my son, Cristian Tenamaztli. Needless to say, I
> am
> happy to be back and thankful that the welcome mat
> was
> still laid out.
>
> I started my genealogy quest as part of a class
> assignment while in high school many, many years
> ago.
> I never imagined how important the project would
> become or that I would still be this involved 20
> years
> later.
>
> My family is from a rancho called Las Animas (also
> known as Daniel Camarena) which is part of el
> municipio de Nochistlan, Zacatecas. My family
> surnames are Rodriguez, Jimenez, Romo, Oropeza,
> Ramirez, Ortega, Melendrez, Contreras, Martinez, Don
> Lucas, Nunon and Borrayo. At this point I would say
> that 95% of my research is focused in Nochistlan.
>
> I’m looking forward to learning and sharing ideas
> with
> all of you.
>
> Best of luck!
>
> Lulu
>
> P.S. I’m from Northern California, East Bay to be
> exact, if anyone is interested in hooking up at a
> FHC
> with me.
>
>
>
>
>
____________________________________________________________________________________
> Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
> with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
> http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather

Published by juanita galvan… (not verified) – Fri, 2007-01-19 23:30 | Permalink

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LOURDES,

I SEE WHERE IN YOUR INTEREST NAMES THERE IS "CONTRERAS".

I AM LOOKING FOR DELGADOS IN SAN MATIAS, PINOS, ZACATECAS.
THERE IS A MARIA MATHIANA CONTRERAS RODRIGUEZ, BORN IN 1709,
PRESUMABLY IN THAT PLACE, BUT IT COULD BE ANOTHER TOWN OR VILLAGE NEARBY. HER MARRIAGE WAS TO JUAN MANUEL DELGADO IN 1728.

ANYTHING SOUND FAMILIAR?

THANKS.

JUANITA GALVAN DELGADO

Mari,
Have you been to Las Animas? Are your parents from
there or some of your ancestors? I am sure that
almost everyone who comes from Las Animas is related
one way or another. Looking forward to making a
possible connection. Let me know when you are in the
area.
Lulu

--- mari deGuzman wrote:

> I to am a native Bay Areaian, we have the las Animas
> rancho in common and probably a few familial ties.
> my file http://nuestrosranchos.org/node/15275, I
> also hope to be in the area around the first of
> March and among other places do the Bancroft
> Library. Hope to hear from you, Mari
>
> Lourdes Rodriguez
> wrote: Hola Nuestros Ranchos Group,
> I’d like to reintroduce myself. My name is Lourdes
> Rodriguez. I was originally admitted to the Yahoo
> Ranchos Group back in August 2004. Unbeknownst to
> me,
> I was ousted from the group for non participation
> during a 6 month break I took last May after the
> birth
> of my son, Cristian Tenamaztli. Needless to say, I
> am
> happy to be back and thankful that the welcome mat
> was
> still laid out.
>
> I started my genealogy quest as part of a class
> assignment while in high school many, many years
> ago.
> I never imagined how important the project would
> become or that I would still be this involved 20
> years
> later.
>
> My family is from a rancho called Las Animas (also
> known as Daniel Camarena) which is part of el
> municipio de Nochistlan, Zacatecas. My family
> surnames are Rodriguez, Jimenez, Romo, Oropeza,
> Ramirez, Ortega, Melendrez, Contreras, Martinez, Don
> Lucas, Nunon and Borrayo. At this point I would say
> that 95% of my research is focused in Nochistlan.
>
> I’m looking forward to learning and sharing ideas
> with
> all of you.
>
> Best of luck!
>
> Lulu
>
> P.S. I’m from Northern California, East Bay to be
> exact, if anyone is interested in hooking up at a
> FHC
> with me.
>
>
>
>
>
____________________________________________________________________________________
> Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
> with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
> http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather

Published by mari – Sat, 2007-01-20 11:45 | Permalink

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Lourdes,
the connection we have in just the immediate thought is Rodriguez, to be exact Alejandro Rodriguez son of Jose Augustan Antonio Rodriguez.
Alejandro was the fourth child born to Jose and Maria Trinidad Vincent de Leon

he was born June 5 1791 in San Luis Obispo
He married my ggg-grandmother in 1815 @ msn Santa Clara.

I so hope that my trip will be in March but if not then it will be April and maybe we could hook up. I will go through more of my notes and get back to you on more info about the rancho and such.
The computer I use and files are not in the same area so I must prepare when I come to use the computer. mari

juanita delgado wrote:
LOURDES,

I SEE WHERE IN YOUR INTEREST NAMES THERE IS "CONTRERAS".

I AM LOOKING FOR DELGADOS IN SAN MATIAS, PINOS, ZACATECAS.
THERE IS A MARIA MATHIANA CONTRERAS RODRIGUEZ, BORN IN 1709,
PRESUMABLY IN THAT PLACE, BUT IT COULD BE ANOTHER TOWN OR VILLAGE NEARBY. HER MARRIAGE WAS TO JUAN MANUEL DELGADO IN 1728.

ANYTHING SOUND FAMILIAR?

THANKS.

JUANITA GALVAN DELGADO

Mari,
Have you been to Las Animas? Are your parents from
there or some of your ancestors? I am sure that
almost everyone who comes from Las Animas is related
one way or another. Looking forward to making a
possible connection. Let me know when you are in the
area.
Lulu

--- mari deGuzman wrote:

> I to am a native Bay Areaian, we have the las Animas
> rancho in common and probably a few familial ties.
> my file http://nuestrosranchos.org/node/15275, I
> also hope to be in the area around the first of
> March and among other places do the Bancroft
> Library. Hope to hear from you, Mari
>
> Lourdes Rodriguez
> wrote: Hola Nuestros Ranchos Group,
> I’d like to reintroduce myself. My name is Lourdes
> Rodriguez. I was originally admitted to the Yahoo
> Ranchos Group back in August 2004. Unbeknownst to
> me,
> I was ousted from the group for non participation
> during a 6 month break I took last May after the
> birth
> of my son, Cristian Tenamaztli. Needless to say, I
> am
> happy to be back and thankful that the welcome mat
> was
> still laid out.
>
> I started my genealogy quest as part of a class
> assignment while in high school many, many years
> ago.
> I never imagined how important the project would
> become or that I would still be this involved 20
> years
> later.
>
> My family is from a rancho called Las Animas (also
> known as Daniel Camarena) which is part of el
> municipio de Nochistlan, Zacatecas. My family
> surnames are Rodriguez, Jimenez, Romo, Oropeza,
> Ramirez, Ortega, Melendrez, Contreras, Martinez, Don
> Lucas, Nunon and Borrayo. At this point I would say
> that 95% of my research is focused in Nochistlan.
>
> I’m looking forward to learning and sharing ideas
> with
> all of you.
>
> Best of luck!
>
> Lulu
>
> P.S. I’m from Northern California, East Bay to be
> exact, if anyone is interested in hooking up at a
> FHC
> with me.
>
>
>
>
>
____________________________________________________________________________________
> Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
> with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
> http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather

Comment

I to am a native Bay Areaian, we have the las Animas rancho in common and probably a few familial ties. my file http://nuestrosranchos.org/node/15275, I also hope to be in the area around the first of March and among other places do the Bancroft Library. Hope to hear from you, Mari

Lourdes Rodriguez wrote: Hola Nuestros Ranchos Group,
I’d like to reintroduce myself. My name is Lourdes
Rodriguez. I was originally admitted to the Yahoo
Ranchos Group back in August 2004. Unbeknownst to me,
I was ousted from the group for non participation
during a 6 month break I took last May after the birth
of my son, Cristian Tenamaztli. Needless to say, I am
happy to be back and thankful that the welcome mat was
still laid out.

I started my genealogy quest as part of a class
assignment while in high school many, many years ago.
I never imagined how important the project would
become or that I would still be this involved 20 years
later.

My family is from a rancho called Las Animas (also
known as Daniel Camarena) which is part of el
municipio de Nochistlan, Zacatecas. My family
surnames are Rodriguez, Jimenez, Romo, Oropeza,
Ramirez, Ortega, Melendrez, Contreras, Martinez, Don
Lucas, Nunon and Borrayo. At this point I would say
that 95% of my research is focused in Nochistlan.

I’m looking forward to learning and sharing ideas with
all of you.

Best of luck!

Lulu

P.S. I’m from Northern California, East Bay to be
exact, if anyone is interested in hooking up at a FHC
with me.

____________________________________________________________________________________
Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast
with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather

Published by MariaCortez – Sun, 2006-04-23 21:08 | Permalink

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Welcome to the group. There are many of us researching Los Altos de Jalisco ancestry. Of the surnames you mention, I have Martin del Campo, Plascencia and Guerrero. Please take a look at my genealogy reports and see if you find a connection. I have a report for each grandparent I am researching in Los Altos de Jalisco. I need to update them, since I have extended a few of my lines from the last time I submitted them.

My method of research has been similar to yours, except that I have not read through death records. I have also occasionally consulted the marriage dispensation records.

Maria Cortez

Comment

Primos y parientes...
alguno de ustedes saben de casualidad los nombres de los padres de Manuel Guerrero y María Simona Sánches (sic) todo sucedido en Ayo el Chico, no he podido localizarles y es, creo yo, último eslabón para mi genealogía de los Hernández Gamiño. también si se tuviera el dato del matrimonio en Ayo agradecería mucho. Quedo a la espera de alguna alma caritativa..
rnández Padilla

Published by wixaritori (not verified) – Sun, 2006-04-23 18:51 | Permalink

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Hello Sheila,

So good to have you along. Just wishing you a lot of new genealogical breakthroughs

Welcome,
Victor Villarreal

Image Posting Test

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I am posting a copy of a Baptism record on Photobucket and testing the link.

http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae280/PappyRod/DOCUMENTS/SandobalBea…

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E mail received

-----Original Message-----
From: "Sean Sales"
Sent: ‎11/‎19/‎2014 9:04 PM
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Test

Hi,

This is to see if my emails are getting through!

Sean

Published by Esther Jordan Lopez – Thu, 2014-11-20 11:45 | Permalink

Comment

I got it.

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Alicia Avelar Olmos Carrillo <
allieavelar@gmail.com> wrote:

> E mail received
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Sean Sales"
> Sent: ‎11/‎19/‎2014 9:04 PM
> To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Test
>
> Hi,
>
> This is to see if my emails are getting through!
>
> Sean

Published by MickeyGarcia – Sun, 2013-05-26 17:45 | Permalink

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Nacio el 28...
MG

In a message dated 5/26/2013 4:04:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
rvr_jr@msn.com writes:

I am posting a copy of a Baptism record on Photobucket and testing the
link.

http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae280/PappyRod/DOCUMENTS/SandobalBea…

If you can successfully copy and paste, can someone please translate what
follows Juana Ponze?

....nazio abeynte, etc.

This is the original link to FamilySearch:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-16087-72629-39?cc=1804458&wc…
-N7G:236257330

Thanks,
Roy
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Published by victorianonavarro (not verified) – Sun, 2013-05-26 16:14 | Permalink

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I went directly to the Familysearch link. It says:

nazio a beynte y ocho de octubre de-- año fueron padrinos Nicolas de acosta y Mari-- Martines todos besinos y españoles desta jurisd--sion advertiles la obligacion y parentesco =

Current spelling: nació a veintiocho de octubre de este año. Fueron padrinos Nicolás de Acosta y María Martínez, todos vecinos y españoles de esta jurisdicción. Advertiles la obligación y parentesco.

Translation: was born on the 28th of October of this year. The godparents were Nicolas de Acosta and Maria Martinez; all of them neighbours and Spaniards from this jurisdiction. I adverted them about their obligations and kinship.

Best regards,
Victoriano Navarro

Published by victorianonavarro (not verified) – Sun, 2013-05-26 16:14 | Permalink

Comment

I went directly to the Familysearch link. It says:

nazio a beynte y ocho de octubre de-- año fueron padrinos Nicolas de acosta y Mari-- Martines todos besinos y españoles desta jurisd--sion advertiles la obligacion y parentesco =

Current spelling: nació a veintiocho de octubre de este año. Fueron padrinos Nicolás de Acosta y María Martínez, todos vecinos y españoles de esta jurisdicción. Advertiles la obligación y parentesco.

Translation: was born on the 28th of October of this year. The godparents were Nicolas de Acosta and Maria Martinez; all of them neighbours and Spaniards from this jurisdiction. I adverted them about their obligations and kinship.

Best regards,
Victoriano Navarro

Test Run

Published by chilerey54 –
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Hola this is a test run to see if my e-mail to Nuestros Ranchos works
Ronnie

Alba puzzle

Published by scompton –
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I’ve been looking at this information about Teodoro de Alba for quite a while and it remains a puzzle to me. Perhaps because we had so little information to start with, it is difficult to trust the evidence once it appears.

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Published by familias_bajio – Sat, 2014-11-15 14:14 | Permalink

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I too have seen similar errors so it certainly sounds plausible that you have found the baptism record for Teodoro de Alva. It may help to expand your search to include records for Teodoro's siblings, cousins and other relatives which may provide additional substantiating facts. As to "how likely" that these are your ancestors, you may want to consider taking a genealogical autosomal DNA test which will better quantify if you are on the right track. If your Teodoro is the son of Anastasio de Alva and Mariana Gonzalez then your test results should show several matches with me. Based on what I've found, Anastasio de Alva's paternal grandparents Jose Rafael de Alva and Maria Gertrudis de Cuellar are my 5th great grand parents. On Anastasio's maternal side, his mother's (Feliciana Jaime) maternal grand parents Manuel Victoriano Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Juana Maria de los Dolores Lozano are my 5th great grand parents, and both sets of Feliciana's paternal great grand parents, Florentino Jaime & Elena de Alva Bocanegra and Joaquin de Miramontes & Maria Josefa de Trillo, are also my direct ancestors.

Buena suerte!
Austin Perez

Published by scompton – Sat, 2014-11-15 20:59 | Permalink

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Hi Austin,

It would be a big breakthrough for our family if we could pin down a connection for Teodoro's line in Mexico. I have my autosomal DNA on ancestry.com. Is there any way we could compare DNA results to check this out?

Steve Compton

Published by familias_bajio – Sat, 2014-11-15 21:46 | Permalink

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Hi Steve,

I have my autosomal results on FamilyTree DNA and also on GEDMatch.com. You can create an account and upload your DNA test results to GEDMatch for free. My GEDMatch kit number is F316769.

Austin Perez

Published by scompton – Sun, 2014-11-16 16:07 | Permalink

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Hi Austin, I uploaded my Ancestry DNA file to GEDMatch.com and compared to yours. I'm not familiar with that site and not sure how to interpret the results. My kit number is A178224 if you want to take a look.
Steve Compton

Published by familias_bajio – Sun, 2014-11-16 19:38 | Permalink

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Hi Steve and Armando,

Steve,
Sorry to say but GEDmatch comparison of our kits did not find any shared DNA segments. The GEDmatch site may still be processing your uploaded data files so I'll try again in a couple of days.

Armando- Thanks for recommending the Genome Mate program!

Hasta pronto
Austin Perez

Published by scompton – Mon, 2014-11-17 10:19 | Permalink

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Austin,
Thanks for trying. That was my reading as well, but I was hoping for another result. Guess I'll have to keep digging for my Teodoro's records. I have already uploaded my ancestryDNA file to FamilyTreeDNA and will look for matches there as well.

Steve Compton

Published by Armando – Sun, 2014-11-16 09:29 | Permalink

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Steve,

Gedmatch is a great tool for finding matches with people that haven't tested with the same company as yourself and have uploaded their results from other companies to Gedmatch. I agree with Austin that you should upload your kit there. I would like to add that not everyone that has tested with FTDNA has uploaded their kit to Gedmatch and you might find other matches at FTDNA if you transfer your Ancestry results there for $39 by using the following link - https://www.familytreedna.com/autosomalTransfer?

Something you and Austin should keep in mind is that sometimes 3rd or 4th cousins don't show up as matches because they haven't inherited the same DNA and sometimes 10th cousins look like 4th cousins. What we inherit is random. In order to determine which ancestor the DNA is inherited from triangulation needs to be used with as many close relatives as possible to determine which side of the family the DNA is coming from and to prove the match isn't IBS. So if you guys have parents, aunts, uncles and so on that are willing to get a Family Finder test also that would help with triangulation.

There is a free utility called at www.genomemate.org that makes triangulation easy and you can zero in on a specific chromosome then determine who else matches on the same segment and then compare trees to see if there are any common ancestors. I highly recommend that you also use that utility.

We need more people like Austin that are knowledgeable with gedcoms and records from Jalisco, Aguascalientes, and Zacatecas involved in genetic genealogy so that we can have more success finding common ancestors for others using DNA. We have already made some strides using Y-DNA and mtDNA.

Armando

Published by scompton – Mon, 2014-11-17 08:55 | Permalink

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Armando,

Thanks for your always useful feedback and tips. I also have one male cousin who in the direct paternal line of Teodoro de Alba. I'll try to convince hime to do a Y-DNA test to see where that leads. I'm working my way into retirement over the next 6 months and plan to devote more time and energy to my two genealogical brick walls. Teodoro is one of them.

Steve Compton

Published by victorianonavarro (not verified) – Fri, 2014-11-14 23:46 | Permalink

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Hi,
20 days before the 28th may mean either the 8th or the 9th, depending on how the priest was counting the days (inclusive counting gives the 9th). However, many children born or baptized on or around November 11th could have been named Teodoro or Teodora since that day is the feast of Saint Theodore. If he married your great grandmother by the Catholic Church, the record might state if he was a widower and the name of the late wife, or the names of his parents. Also, his US death certificate may mention his birthday and parents.
Good luck with your search!

Victoriano Navarro

Valades or Macias Valades?

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I have been studying the Macias Valades family, and have found this family which is causing some confusion.

Juan Valades (1st) m. Maria Rebollo (or Lopez Rebollo) and had at least two children:

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Published by Armando – Tue, 2014-10-14 05:27 | Permalink

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There is a marriage record of Maria Antonia Macias Valades and Jose Antonio Zermeño in Lagos de Moreno 13 June 1768 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18564-2478-50?cc=1874591&wc=…

Juan Valades and María Rebollo also had Andrea Valades

Andrea Valades married Felipe de Trillo and some of her children used the surname Macias Valades.

The death of her daughter Maria de Trillo has her mother as Andrea Macias Valades.

The records of información matrimonial for her children after 1700 also have her has Andrea Macias Valades.

A dispensa for her daughter Felipa de Trillo states that Andrea Valades was the granddaughter of an india. That means that the mother of Juan Valades was an indian because her maternal grandmother was María López de Fuenllana the daughter of Mateo González de Ruvalcaba y López de Fuenllana and Gerónima Velásquez de Morales. It also says that Felipe de Trillo passed as Spanish even though he was the son of an español and an india.

The dispensa is at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18377-16873-14

There are two different dispensas that prove that Maria Rebollo was the daughter of Domingo Rebollo and María López de Fuenllana.

The first was posted by Salvador Cabral Valdes

"Dos impedimentos de tercer grado de consanguinidad: Joseph Manuel Macías Valadés (38) viudo de Agueda Beltrán de la Cueva, sepultada en Zacatecas, h.l. Juan Valadés y Maria Romo. Eugenia de Villalobos (21), originaria de Teocaltiche, h.l. Nicolás de Villalobos (+) e Ysabel Romo.

(Mateo González de Ruvalcaba md 1. Gerónima Morales)
|
(María López, married twice:)
(1) Ags. 9 Oct 1625, Domingo Rebollo) (2) Diego Carrillo de Sandi)
María Rebollo---------------(1/2 sibs)---------- Teresa Carrillo
(md 1. Juan Valadés) (md Nicolás de Villalobos, Teoc. 27 Apr 1664)
Juan Valadés-------------------- 2---------------- Nicolás de Villalobos
(md Maria Romo, Ags 4 Feb 1690) (md Isabel Romo de Vivar)
el pretenso----------------------- 3---------------- la pretensa

SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16465 página 2
Dispensa de tercero grado de consanguinidad por dos lineas 12 Mar 1734

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18410-37591-7?cc=1874591&wc=…

The second is the following -

"Mateo de Villalobos ...juzga son parientes los pretensos dentro de cuarto grado cuya relación no es sabida ni notoria a cause de que Da Magdalena de Villalobos madre del pretenso fue expuesta en la casa del que declara [Mateo de Villalobos] y así se ha reputado por de padres no conocidos pero que el lacrio en su misma casa temiendola y reputandola por hija de Dn Miguel de Villalobos su hermano y en este caso tienen el parentesco referido a causa de descender los pretensos de dos hermanos que lo fueron Da María Rebollo y Da Antonia Carrillo. De la primera fue hija Da Andrea Macias Valadez y de esta Dn Onofre de Trillo y de este Da Teresa de Trillo pretensa. De la segunda Da Antonia Carrillo fue hijo Dn Miguel de Villalobos que es el que juzga padre de Da Magdalena de Villalobos y esta tuvo por hijo a Franscico Javier Bustos y Santos que es el pretenso"

[Tronco María López de Fuenllana]
Maria Rebollo............1o...Antonia Carrillo
Andrea Macias Valadez....2o...Miguel de Villalobos
Onofre de Trillo.........3o...Magdalena de Villalobos
Teresa de Trillo.........4o...Francisco Javier de Bustos

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18428-19973-5?cc=1874591&wc=…

Armando

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Armando

Thank you very much; this is quite helpful.

Is it reasonable to assume that a connection has not yet been found between this family and that of Blas Macias and Catalina Ramirez?

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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George, I haven't been able to find a connection. If a direct male descendant of Juan Valades were to get a 37 marker Y-DNA test we would be able to determine if he was a direct male descendant of Blas Macias since we already have one other person that descends from him that has had a Y-DNA 37 marker test.

Armando

Site Down Saturday 11/8

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Here is what DreamHost has to say:

We're upgrading your shared web server's operating system to Ubuntu 12.04
this Saturday, November 8th at 8PM PST.

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Published by gpf13 – Sun, 2014-11-09 10:01 | Permalink

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Joseph

There appear to be problems with the website. Whenever I go to a page there is a list of error messages near the top of the window. This is just an example:

warning: Creating default object from empty value in /home/lafamilia/nuestrosranchos.org/sites/all/modules/mailhandler/mailhandler.module on line 141.
warning: Creating default object from empty value in /home/lafamilia/nuestrosranchos.org/sites/all/modules/mailhandler/mailhandler.module on line 855.

The list of errors varies with each page.

The search function does not work, as well.

I've accessed the webesite on two different platforms (PC with Windows Vista and iPad) with the same results.

I am getting the mailing list e-mails with no problem.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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Same issues here (error messages, no search function). I seem to remember that I saw this once before, but then it "cleared" up after a day or so. I'm sure someone was probably working on that behinds the scenes, though. Hopefully it clears up soon. Maybe an effect of the reason the site was down on Saturday?

Sandra Velez

Escrituras/Tierras Microfilm 1691 - 1696

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I am still viewing the microfilm no. 0169054, which is Escrituras/Tierras of the years 1691 - 1738. I spent over 5 hours at the LDS Center yesterday Saturday. I have viewed 3/4 of the film now.

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Published by Stuart Armstrong – Sun, 2014-11-09 17:37 | Permalink

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Did you happen to notice who was the wife of Sebastián Velásquez?

Stuart Armstrong

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Thank you for this information. I tried to order this but it is on "Back order." In looking at this name I believe it actually says Sebastiana Velasquez. I think that is pretty usual to have a female as the Executor, she must have been well respected and educated.
Deedra Corona

Nino espurco

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Can someone help me with this term: "niño espurco"

I've seen niño natural, legítimo, adulterino & incestuoso, but never espurco.
Any ideas?

Andelmo Perez

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Published by julietamartha – Mon, 2014-11-10 04:45 | Permalink

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Rectificacion : OJO

Is ESPURIO not ESPURCO

Definición de hijo espurio
Definición de hijo espurio - 07/04/2011

adj. Bastardo.

Hijo ilegítimo. Hijo nacido fuera del matrimonio.

También se aplicaba al hijo que ha nacido de una mujer que no es la esposa de su padre.

* Tiene un uso muy despectivo.

http://www.definiciones-de.com/Definicion/de/hijo_espurio.php

:) Julieta Martha

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Objet : [Nuestros Ranchos] Nino espurco

Can someone help me with this term: "niño espurco"

I've seen niño natural, legítimo, adulterino & incestuoso, but never espurco.
Any ideas?

Andelmo Perez

Published by Carlos Yturralde – Sun, 2014-11-09 02:15 | Permalink

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It means illegitimate son.

On 11/8/2014 11:47 PM, apozolco@msn.com wrote:
> Can someone help me with this term: "niño espurco"
>
> I've seen niño natural, legítimo, adulterino & incestuoso, but never
> espurco.
> Any ideas?
>
> Andelmo Perez

Nicolas Macias and Thomas Macias

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About four years ago there was a query posted at NR concerning the parents of these brothers: Nicolas and Thomas Macias. I have a little more information than was posted then.

Rio de la Loza (Rio y Loza)

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Estimados miembros,

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Published by longsjourney – Thu, 2014-11-06 10:33 | Permalink

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Can you share where you found the will of Rodrigo Del Rio Y Loza.. I have no wife or family for him but also has Mateo Del Rio Y Loza as the child of Gaspar Del Rio Y Loza and Maria. I do have whatever information I have on them on Rootsweb.com. My file is called Mexico and you can go to the index to find what I have that you might be interested in.I try to put my sources but darn if I don't have one for Mateo!
Linda Castanon-Long

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just remembered where I got the information abt Mateo, from the records of Salvador Cabral

Linda Castanon-LongDescendientes de Gaspar del Rio y de la Loza

Gaspar Del Rio Y de La Loza-1048

Primera generación

1. -Gaspar Del Rio Y de La Loza-1048 nació en Desconcido. Él murió Aprox.
-Gaspar se casó (MRIN:163) -Maria Rodriguez de Gordejuela-4611, hija de -Rodrigo de Gordejuela-468 (MRIN:164). -Maria nació en Desconcido y tuvo su bautismo infantil en Desconocido. Ella murió Aprox en Desconocido.

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Hi Linda,

Here is the link for the will for Rodrigo Rio de la Loza

http://biblio.juridicas.unam.mx/libros/1/397/21.pdf

The source for will is:

Memorias de la Academia Mexicana de la Historia, correspondiente de la Real de Madrid, Tomo XVI, n.3, Mexico, Julio-Septiembre de 1957.

You are going to read all the names of brothers, sisters,and nephews but not Mateo's name. The will is very important nevertheless. But I still can't find a document to link Mateo to Gaspar (according to what I read on-line Gaspar was Rodrigo's brother). I saw also the same information on line (but without sources) about Gaspar as the father of Mateo, but I still don't want to link Mateo to Gaspar until I can find the source (document).

In Rodrigo's will he mentioned one Gaspar (the nephew) son of his brother Andres del Rio y Loza. But He didn't mention Gaspar "the brother" just Gaspar "the nephew". Maybe Mateo is the son of Gaspar "the nephew". I think the key will be to find Gaspar's will. I hope the information helps. If you find any other information to help with the enigma please keep me posted

Regards

susana

MIGUEL RODRIGUEZ Y GREGORIA JOSEPHA DE LA PUENTE

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Aun sigo atorada con mi linea familiar...
Los ultimos datos que tengo es que Gregoria Josepha DE LA PUENTE casada con de Miguel RODRIGUEZ y sus hijos: Eugenio y Pedro ygnacio entre 1730 a 1740.

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Published by mendezdetorres – Wed, 2014-10-29 12:30 | Permalink

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Verónica,
El Valle de Huejúcar comprendía el territorio entre los cuatro puntos del valle que son: Tabasco (Mecatabasco o Villa del Refugio), Huanusco, Jalpa, Calvillo (San José) y el Ojocaliente. Esta área es una de mis especialidades y sé que es una área medio intenso para estudiar la genealogía. Las familias se transladaban frecuentemente entre Calvillo, Tabasco, etc o por lo menos bautizaban sus hijos en parroquias diferentes. La parroquia de Mecatabasco fue fundada en 1747. Antes de ese año, la parroquia de Mecatabasco pertenecía a la jurisdición de Juchipila como consta en unos registros del Ramo Civil de la Real Audencia de Guadalajara.
Tendrás que revisar todos los registros de Calvillo y Tabasco, para buscar pistas a cuanto esta línea genealógica. No te quiero desanimar, mas muchas veces la líneas terminan, a menos que fueron españoles. Si es el caso tendrás una mejor oportunidad para continuar trazando tus líneas. El valle de Huejúcar es el nombre del valle y no el pueblo de San José de Calvillo.
Se necesitas ayuda en algo, por favor comunicate conmigo. Mi acervo incluye muchas de las familias españolas de esta región.

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

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Hola Daniel,
En los registros parroquiales de Santa María Mecatabasco y Yahualica aparecen como españoles.

Miguel RODRIGUEZ ó Miguel MARTINEZ y Gregoria Josepha DE LA PUENTE, vecinos de San Vicente (es posible que sea en Jalpa).

Hijos:
1.- Eugenio RODRIGUEZ PUENTES, casado con Marcelina Gertrudis CALVILLO (española)
2.- Pedro Antonio RODRIGUEZ PUENTES, casado con Ana Joaquina GALVAN (española

Eugenio RODRIGUEZ y Marcelina Gertrudis CALVILLO, vecinos de Valle de Huejucar bautizaron a sus hijos en Santa María Mecatabasco.

Hijos:
1.- Joseph Maria, casado con Gertrudis Leonor GOMEZ GONZALEZ en 1790 en Cuquio
2.- Maria Casilda (24 abril 1759)
3.- Joseph Dionisio (28 ene 1762)
4.- Joseph Bitorino (2 sept 1769)
5.- Alvina Gertrudis, casada con Juan Pablo Teliz EN 1784 en Yahualica

Con algo de suerte tendrás alguna pista que me ayude a seguir.
Mientras tomare tu consejo y seguire con la busqueda en los registros que mencionas.

Gracias!
Veronica Rodriguez

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Hola Daniel,
A dónde se iba a enterrar la gente? Las defunciones del Valle de Huejucar entre 1740 y 1750.

Porque he visto los archivos de Juchipila, Tabasco, Calvillo, Huanusco, Jalpa y no hay defunciones antes de 1772...

Digamos que son espanoles, sabemos que se enterraban aparte o por lo menos en estos lares había mucho elitismo en cuanto a la raza.
Me puedes aconsejar donde comenzar?
De antemano mil gracias!
Veronica Rodriguez

Fw: Jacinta de Sotomayor & Blas Nieto

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Daniel, Jaime, Carolyn, et al

There is no doubt that this is an important piece of the puzzle.

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Published by rosa9972 – Sun, 2013-04-14 22:18 | Permalink

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Hi all--

Looking at the comments to the postings on the Nieto family, I wonder if my ancestor, Jose Manuel Francisco Nieto, who married Maria Rafaela Herrera in Pinos in 1754, descends from the same Nieto family. His parents are Joseph Nieto Corona and Maria de Mendosa y Balberde. In his marriage record, Jose Manuel Francisco is noted having been born in Pinzandaro, Michocan (I can't seem to locate records for this hacienda).

Does anyone recognize my ancestors?

Rosalinda

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Hi Rosalinda,

The town of Pinzandaro is about 100 miles SW of Morelia, Michoacán. The marriage record from Pinos states that Manuel Francisco Nieto was living "en el puesto de la Noria de Arriba" and María Rafaela Herrera in the Hacienda de San Juan de los Herreras when they got married. As you probably know, several children of Antonio de Castañeda and Thomasa de Carrión were born in La Noria. We recently discovered that María de Castañeda, who married Pedro Nieto Corona in Pinos (24 Jun 1671) was the daughter of Nicolás de Castañeda y Sotomayor and Ana de Vargas Moriano, and also the sister of Antonio de Castañeda, who lived in La Noria with his wife Thomasa de Carrión. I don't have time to research this now (last day to file our income tax returns) but will do so later. I suspect that Joseph Nieto (Manuel Francisco's father) was a direct descendant of Pedro Nieto Corona and María de Castañeda. Look for the marriage of Joseph Nieto and María de Mendoza Valverde in Michoacán, where their son Manuel Francisco was born. Maybe María de Mendoza Valverde was from Michoacán.

Saludos,

BILL FIGUEROA

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Nieto Corona from Pinos

Hi all--

Looking at the comments to the postings on the Nieto family, I wonder if my ancestor, Jose Manuel Francisco Nieto, who married Maria Rafaela Herrera in Pinos in 1754, descends from the same Nieto family. His parents are Joseph Nieto Corona and Maria de Mendosa y Balberde. In his marriage record, Jose Manuel Francisco is noted having been born in Pinzandaro, Michocan (I can't seem to locate records for this hacienda).

Does anyone recognize my ancestors?

Rosalinda

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Hi Bill,

Please take your time. Since I approximate Manuel Francisco's birth date to be about 1724 to 1734, I would venture to guess his father was born in the late 1600s or early 1700s. I feel that there is a connection, but finding it may be beyond my grasp-- I have tried to look for the records for Pinzandaro, and either they are lost, not filmed by the LDS, or some other thing. Currently Pinzandaro is under the Diocese of Apatzingán, but even their records begin in the mid 1800s. I have looked for these ancestors in the familysearch site, with no success (I have tried all of my tricks). I can only hope to search the Pinos records page by page, but I'm not sure of success there, either.

Rosalinda

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Jaime, Carolyn, Rosalinda, Daniel, et al:

While checking early records from Sierra de Pinos, I stumbled upon a record of Pedro Nieto Corona having a premarital relationship with Catalina Jiménez, a free black slave, with whom he had at least one child. Apparently, this relationship had been going on for about eight years, until the Church intervened and ordered them to stop it under penalty of excommunication and a 30 peso fine, a significant amount in those days. Catalina Jiménez was pregnant and about to give birth to a child, possibly their illegitimate son Juan Nieto. Although there is a pencil note on this record that reads "Abril 1675", the record itself indicates that the correct date is 20 April 1665. This makes sense because Pedro Nieto Corona married María de Castañeda on 24 June 1671. Pedro and María had at least eight legitimate children. Following is the link and full transcription of this record:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-25060-65?cc=1804458&wc…

"Pedro Nieto con Catalina Ximenes"

"En el Real y Minas de Sierra de Pinos en veinte del mes [de abril]

de mil y seiscientos y sesenta y cinco años, el Br. Domingo Joseph de

Hoyos Cura Beneficiado Bicario Juez Eclessiastico deste Real y su Ju-

ridicion = Por cuanto tengo notizia que Pedro Nieto el [mozo]

hixo lexitimo de Pedro Nieto y de Da. Jusepa Corona vecinos deste

Real, tiene comunicazion ylicita con Catalina Jimenez y en ella hixos

y que a mas tiempo de ocho años, que bive en mal estado, siendo sol-

teros, con pretesto de que el dho Pedro Nieto duerme en casa de sus

padres y les asiste como hixo en el servizio, para que con este

achaque no pase adelante culpa tan reincidida y se ofenda

a Dios tan desenfrenadamente y agga enmienda en errores y cul-

pas tan notorias, mando al dicho Pedro Nieto, y la dha Catalina

Jimenez no buelban a esta ylicita comunicacion, pena de ex-

comunion mayor y de treinta pesos aplicados al arbitrio del Sr.

Gobernador y Provisor deste Reyno en que incurriran y proce-

dere a rebeldia contra los inobedientes a las demas penas que

el derecho dispone, y notifique este mi auto y mandamiento, a la

susodha en su persona, siendo testigos Miguel de Cardona, y Juan

de Santiago, y por verdad lo firme --

[firma] El Br. Domingo Joseph de Hoyos

Este dho dia por la noche como a las siete llego, llego el dho Pedro

Nieto a mi casa con alguna resolucion segun lo que demostro

en la pregunta que me hizo en pressencia de dho Miguel de Car

dona Juan de Ayala y otras personas que estaban jusgando

y fue que que si queria por que le avian dicho, que le buscaban,

y yo el dho Vicario respondi, que no le buscaba, y ya que me pregun-

taba le notificaba un auto que abia notificado a Catalina Xi-

menez y ansi mismo le mandaba lo que consta de dho auto, y que

no comunique a la susodha ni entre en su casa so la misma

pena. Dixo que lo oya y que no abia de dexar de entrar porque

tenia yjos, y que tenia obligacion de sustentarlos, y por verdad

lo firme

[firma] El Br. Domingo Joseph de Hoyos

En el mismo dia del mes de diziembre deste pressente año de seiscientos y

sesenta y seis, por la notoriedad de que Catalina Jimenez esta

preñada y en dias de parir, y que dho preñado es del susodho

Pedro Nieto el mozo, le mando pena de excomunion mayor no

buelba a reyncidir en dha culpa y escandalo, y a la dha Catalina

Jimenez mando lo mismo y que no le admita a su casa y mala

compañia. Dixo el dho Pedro Nieto que le oya notificosele este

auto, siendo pressentes Diego de Carabaxal y el dho Miguel

de Cardona, y a ella en su casa respondio lo mismo. Doy

fe de ello –

[firma] El Br. Domingo Joseph de Hoyos"

The link and a full transcription of Juan Nieto and María de la O Martín's marriage record follows:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15246-29542-1?cc=1804458&wc=…

Al margen: "Juan Nieto mulato libre con Maria de la O, loba"

"En dies y seis dias del mes de febrero de mil setecientos y seis años haviendose
echo las informaciones y auctos acostumbrados y presedido las tres a-
monestaciones que dispone el Santo Consilio de Trento en tres dias fes-
tivos intermisarum solemnia y no haviendo de todo resultado ym-
pedimiento alguno canonico como todo consta de los auctos que paran
en este archivo eclesiastico a que me rremito, case por palabras de
presente y vele imfasie eclesie a Juan Nieto mulato libre natural
y vezino de este Real, hijo natural de Pedro Nieto español y de Ca-
talina Ximenes mulata libre y viudo de Sebastiana de Santiago,
yndia, con Maria de la O, loba natural y vecina del puesto de la Sause-
da de esta feligresia, hija legitima de Agustin Martin yndio y de Mel-
chora de la Cruz loba. Fueron testigos a dha celebrasion y velasion
Joseph de Espinosa y Manuel de Espinosa vecinos de este Real, y otras
muchas personas y para que conste lo firme
[firma] D. Diego Perez de Salazar"

A link to the marriage of Pedro Nieto Corona and María de Castañeda was provided in an earlier posting by Jaime Alvarado, but is repeated here to keep these records together. The link is as follows:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-25386-84?cc=1804458&wc…

Rgds,

BILL FIGUEROA

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Rosalinda,

There seems to be several people with the surname 'Mendoza y Valverde' here are some records that may serve as some clues. I love the new family search, it´s quicker and more organized. It also allows you to see where people with the same surname traveled and settled. This family seems to be very well from Oaxaca, since it´s a compound surname it´s probable that they are somehow related. It seems the surname started with the couple in the last record, but we must always prove it with records that are fidedigno. This is interesting, but I already have done some research on Fernández Cavallero, they originate in Burgos, Castilla they arrived some time at the turn of the XVIII century.

I hope this helps in some manner,
Daniel Méndez de Torres

P.S. Whatever you find, please send me a report, thanks.

Thomas De Mendosa Y Balbarde
Mexico, Marriages, 1570-1950

marriage:24 Aug 1749Sagrario Metropolitano,Oaxaca De Juarez,Oaxaca,Mexico

spouse:Manuela Fernandes Cavallero
Franco. Mendosa Y Balverde
Mexico, Marriages, 1570-1950

marriage:11 Apr 1773Sagrario Metropolitano,Oaxaca De Juarez,Oaxaca,Mexico

spouse:Jospha. Joachina De Rob
Thomas Antonio De Mendossa Balverde
Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950

christening:26 Sep 1706Sagrario Metropolitano, Oaxaca de Juárez, Oaxaca, Mexicoresidence:
Oaxaca de Juárez, Oaxaca, Mexico

parents:Nicolas De Mendossa Balverde, Francisca De Cardenas
Antonio Mendosa Balverde
Mexico, Baptisms, 1560-1950

christening:27 Aug 1669SAGRARIO METROPOLITANO,OAXACA DE JUAREZ,OAXACA,MEXICO

parents:Francisco Mendosa, Juana Balverde

Published by Jaime Alvarado – Sun, 2013-04-14 18:00 | Permalink

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Bill,
Maria Castañeda, married to Pedro Nieto (Neto), is the daughter of Nicolas Castañeda and Antonia Vargas Moriano. Pedro is the son of Pedro Nieto y Josefa Corona. Their marriage information is dated June 1 1671 in Pinos, Zacatecas (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-25386-84?cc=1804458&wc…) and married June 24 1671 also in Pinos. The witnesses state that they are not related. If they were via Jacinta Sotomayor (Nieto), such relationship should have at the 5th degree or higher.

Sincerely

Jaime

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Jaime,

You just hit another homerun!! This information closes one more gap in my database. Thank you.

Rgds,

Bill

----- Original Message -----
From: Jaime R. Alvarado
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Fw: Jacinta de Sotomayor & Blas Nieto

Bill,
Maria Castañeda, married to Pedro Nieto (Neto), is the daughter of Nicolas Castañeda and Antonia Vargas Moriano. Pedro is the son of Pedro Nieto y Josefa Corona. Their marriage information is dated June 1 1671 in Pinos, Zacatecas (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-25386-84?cc=1804458&wc…) and married June 24 1671 also in Pinos. The witnesses state that they are not related. If they were via Jacinta Sotomayor (Nieto), such relationship should have at the 5th degree or higher.

Sincerely

Jaime

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Daniel Mendez posted the following dispensa for Nicolas de Castaneda and Maria Gomez, who descended from siblings Jacinta de Sotomayor and Blas Nieto: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18426-82548-41?cc=1874591&wc…

This regards Maria Gomez's lines.

From my own research:
Maria Gomez was the daughter of Mathias Gomez de Sotomayor and Ysabel Ruiz de Villasenor;
Mathias Gomez was the son of Juan Gomez Nieto and Maria Teresa Martin Guerrero;
Juan Gomez was the son of Blas Nieto and ?

Here is the 15 Jun 1748 IM for Juan Antonio Gaitan and Maria Manuela Munoz:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15263-11463-61?cc=1804458&wc…

The pretensos' grandfathers were 2nd-cousins: the bride's maternal grandfather, Nicolas Gomez de Sotomayor, was the son of Blas Gomez de las Ruelas (and Maria de Avila); Blas Gomez was the son of Juan Gomez de las Ruelas; Juan Gomez was the brother of Gonzalo Gomez de las Ruelas, who was the father of Maria Gomez de las Ruelas, who was the mother of Miguel Gaitan, grandfather of pretenso, Juan Antonio Gaitan.

I think Juan Gomez de las Ruelas and Juan Gomez Nieto are the same person, since the children and descendants of Mathias Gomez de Sotomayor would use both compound surnames, "Gomez de Sotomayor" and "Gomez de las Ruelas," linking the two. Thus, Juan Gomez and Gonzalo Gomez are sons of Blas Nieto; Mathias Gomez and Blas Gomez are brothers, and Blas would've been named for their grandfather, Blas Nieto.

Mathias Gomez was baptized 14 Mar 1658 in Guanajuato, Guanajuato, and married Ysabel de Avalos (Ruiz) 29 Dec 1683 in Panuco, Zacatecas, and by the early 1700's, they were living on Salitre in Pinos, Zacatecas.

According to the marriage records and IM's for the children of Blas Gomez and Maria de Avila, they were all born in Zacatecas, Zacatecas, and living on Salitre in Pinos in the early 1700's. Blas Gomez was deceased by 1704.

Miguel Gaitan (son of Maria Gomez de Ruelas) first appears in the 1680's in Charcas, SLP, where he would marry Antonia Arias de Bedoya (daughter of Juan Gomez de Bedoya & Leonor de Alvarado?) 25 Sep 1690; by 1704, they're living on Ballenas in Pinos, Zacatecas, later they'd be on nearby Penon Blanco. Most of their children and descendants would live on nearby Santa Rita, some of who intermarried with those of Nicolas Gomez, requiring dispensations, some which I posted on a previous thread: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21351

Another family living on Salitre at this time was the Sanchez de la Mejorada-Narvaez family, from San Luis Potosi, SLP (more info can be found on this thread: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/21848): Francisco, Jose Antonio and Luis Sanchez de la Mejorada, hijos naturales of Cristobal Sanchez and Francisca Narvaez. The Gomez-Ruiz, Gomez-Avila and Sanchez-Navaez families were pretty tight, being padrinos for each other's children, and their children intermarrying; Francisco Sanchez married the widow of Mathias Gomez, Ysabel Ruiz, and adopted their children; Francisco Sanchez and Nicolas Gomez both became landowners around the same time, with Sanchez owning Guadalupe in Pinos by 1719, and Nicolas Gomez owning nearby Santa Rita.

Does anybody here have any more information on these families, or which support my theory?

Gracias y saludos,

Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jrefugioghermosillo

Published by familias_bajio – Fri, 2013-04-12 14:04 | Permalink

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Bill-

The Inf. Matrimonial for Pedro Nieto (el mozo) and Maria Castaneda is at: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15245-25386-84?cc=1804458&wc…

This record states in part:

Pedro Nieto hijo legitimo de Pedro Nieto, ya difunto, y de doña Josefa Corona, españoles...María de Castañeda española criolla del Real y Minas de la Pendencia hija legitima de Nicolás de Castañeda y de Ana de Vargas, españoles

Regards
Austin Perez

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Can someone please translate this document to me.It's not that im lazy i just try really hard to read it and just cant figure out what it says so if anyone can please help me.

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Abram, I don't have time to translate it for you but it doesn't name the
parents. Neither does the one in Aguascalientes. However because of the
dispensa we know the mother of Victoria de Sotomayor was María and she was
a sister of Andrés and because of info found in other documents we know the
father of Victoria was Juan Montañez. You will find some posts about him at
the following thread. http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17966?page=4

The parents of María and Andrés Sotomayor were Andrés Martín Camacho and
María de las Ruelas

Armando

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:51 PM, wrote:

> HERE IS THE LINK
>
> https://familysearch.org/pal:/**MM9.3.1/TH-266-12446-30236-66?**
> cc=1410092&wc=6810679
>
> NICOLAS VALLIN AND VICTORIA DE SOTOMAIOR
>

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Hola Armando:

Es muy valiosa la información que le presentas a Abraham. Sólo como comentario yo también desciendo también desciendo de Don Juan Montañez y de Doña María de Sotomayor, por medio de su hija Luisa de Sotomayor que casó con Don Juan Romero Gallardo el 2 de Septiembre de 1654 en San Luis Potosí, ellos tienen a Jacinta casada con Don Nicolás Del Castillo y Quesada, que son los ancestros directos de mi abuela paterna que lleva el apellido Castillo.

Sólo una duda, he visto que en temas pasados de nuestrosranchos han abordado el tema de Andrés Martín Camacho y María de las Ruelas, por ahí llegué a ver que Doña María de las Ruelas está relacionada con Don Guido de Lavezares, es esto cierto?

Muchas gracias por tus aportes, no se me olvida la información matrimonial que me pasaste en aquella ocasión de Juan Antonio Moreno Espinoza y Ana María Galván Lozano.

Saludos
Enrique Agraz

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Hi Abram,

I wrote my message in Spanish because for me is easier and also because I know Armando understands it. Sorry about that, hope you have understanded it.
The info. I have is that Juan Montañez was native of Salamanca, Spain and yes he was the son of Juan Montañez and Ana Vicente. Firstly he married Sebastiana Díaz Medel and secondly to María de Sotomayor. María was daughter of Andrés de Martín Camacho and María de las Ruelas, who lived in Sierra de Pinos and were previously mentioned by Armando. My question to him was if María de las Ruelas was a relative to the Philippines' governor Guido de Lavezares, because I saw that information once.

Enrique

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Hola Enrique:

Desafortunadamente no tengo idea si existió un vínculo entre Doña María de
las Ruelas y Don Guido de Lavezares. Hice una búsqueda para tratar de
encontrar donde esta mencionado ese enlace y lo único que encontré es un
mensaje de Salvador Cabral que menciona que Bernardino González de Isla,
esposo de Mariana Sandoval, como hijo de Francisco González y Magdalena de
Labesares.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17454?page=3

No entiendo bien el vínculo entre Magdalena de Labesares y Benito de la
Isla y Labesares. Entiendo que Benito de la Isla fue mencionado como criado
de Guido de Labazares en su pase a Indias y por eso creen que fueron
parientes Guido y Benito. Bernardino González de Isla y Mariana Sandoval
fueron bisabuelos maternos maternos de Petrona de Isla la primera esposa de
Nicolás Vallín Sotomayor. Ojalá alguien mas puede aclarar lo que preguntas
y lo que no entendí sobre las personas antes mencionadas. Posiblemente Bill
Figueroa sabe mas.

Gracias por acordar de mi por la ayuda que te di de Juan Antonio Moreno
Espinoza. Yo tenia un respuesta incompleta sobre la pregunta que tenias
sobre los Espinosa de la región. El primero del apellido Espinosa fue
Francisco de Espinosa el primer escribano público de Lagos pero no he
podido encontrar nada que relacionara Luisa de Espinosa con Francisco de
Espinosa.

Saludos
Armando

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:57 PM, wrote:

> Hola Armando:
>
> Es muy valiosa la información que le presentas a Abraham. Sólo como
> comentario yo también desciendo también desciendo de Don Juan Montañez y de
> Doña María de Sotomayor, por medio de su hija Luisa de Sotomayor que casó
> con Don Juan Romero Gallardo el 2 de Septiembre de 1654 en San Luis Potosí,
> ellos tienen a Jacinta casada con Don Nicolás Del Castillo y Quesada, que
> son los ancestros directos de mi abuela paterna que lleva el apellido
> Castillo.
>
> Sólo una duda, he visto que en temas pasados de nuestrosranchos han
> abordado el tema de Andrés Martín Camacho y María de las Ruelas, por ahí
> llegué a ver que Doña María de las Ruelas está relacionada con Don Guido de
> Lavezares, es esto cierto?
> Muchas gracias por tus aportes, no se me olvida la información matrimonial
> que me pasaste en aquella ocasión de Juan Antonio Moreno Espinoza y Ana
> María Galván Lozano.
>
> Saludos
> Enrique Agraz

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Enrique y Armando,

Guido de Labezares pasó a la Nueva España en 1557 junto con su esposa Inés Alvarez y otras personas que los acompañaban, entre ellas Benito de la Isla, hijo de Bernardino de la Isla y Magdalena de Labezares. Su pase a Indias en 1557 (segundo viaje a México) se puede ver en PARES y dice lo siguiente:

"GUIDO DE LABAZARES [sic por Lavezares], vecino y natural de Sevilla, hijo de Sebastián de Labazares y de Catalina de Chaves, con Inés Alvarez, su mujer, vecina de Sevilla; Francisco de Castro y Pedro de Castro, hermanos, naturales de Córdoba, hijos de Luis Fernández y de Leonor de Castro, a Nueva España. Lleva por criados suyos a Benito de la Isla, natural de Sevilla, hijo de Bernardino de Isla y de Magdalena de Labezares; Juana Bernal, doncella, hija de Juan Castaño y de Anna Bernal, vecinos de Sevilla; Tomás, indio, Christobal, indio y Beatriz, mestiza." (Catálogo de Pasajeros a Indias, Vol III 1539-1559)

Guido de Labezares llegó por primera vez al archipiélago que hoy conocemos como Islas Filipinas siendo miembro de la expedición de Ruy López de Villalobos, comisionada en 1541 por el Virrey de la Nueva España don Antonio de Mendoza. La flota, consistente de seis galeones y 370-400 hombres, zarpó de la Barra de Navidad Noviembre 1, 1542. La Barra de Navidad es un pueblo costero de Jalisco, a unos 60 km al Norte de Manzanillo. Esta expedición llegó a las "Islas del Poniente" a las cuales Villalobos nombró "Islas Filipinas" en honor a Felipe II. Después de estar allí por algún tiempo tuvieron que retirarse a causa de la hostilidad de los nativos, la falta de alimentos y por un naufragio. Se refugiaron en las Islas Molucas (colonia Portuguesa) donde falleció Villalobos. Los sobrevivientes de la expedición fueron capturados por los Portugueses, quienes los tuvieron presos en la isla de Ambon hasta que algunos de ellos (incluyendo a Guido de Labezares) se escaparon y volvieron a la Nueva España. En 1564 Labezares regresó a las Filipinas como miembro de la expedición de Miguel López de Legaspi, con el título de Tesorero Real, el cual le fue otorgado por la Audiencia de México. Legaspi fue el primer Gobernador y Capitán General de las Filipinas (1565-1572) siendo su sucesor Guido de Labezares (1572-1575). Este último instituyó la Encomienda en las Filipinas y nunca regresó España. Por sus méritos el rey Felipe II le otorgó una encomienda y el título de Maese de Campo (de por vida).

Según algunas fuentes, Guido y Magdalena de Labezares fueron hermanos, hijos de Sebastián de Labezares y Catalina de Chávez. Yo no he encontrado ese enlace, pero el hecho de que un hijo de Magdalena de Labezares viajara como criado de Guido de Labezares me hace pensar que esto es lo mas probable. Por supuesto que habrá que comprobarlo.

Saludos,

BILL FIGUEROA

----- Original Message -----

From: "Armando"
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]Otra hija de Juan Montañez y María de Sotomayor

Hola Enrique:

Desafortunadamente no tengo idea si existió un vínculo entre Doña María de
las Ruelas y Don Guido de Lavezares. Hice una búsqueda para tratar de
encontrar donde esta mencionado ese enlace y lo único que encontré es un
mensaje de Salvador Cabral que menciona que Bernardino González de Isla,
esposo de Mariana Sandoval, como hijo de Francisco González y Magdalena de
Labesares.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17454?page=3

No entiendo bien el vínculo entre Magdalena de Labesares y Benito de la
Isla y Labesares. Entiendo que Benito de la Isla fue mencionado como criado
de Guido de Labazares en su pase a Indias y por eso creen que fueron
parientes Guido y Benito. Bernardino González de Isla y Mariana Sandoval
fueron bisabuelos maternos maternos de Petrona de Isla la primera esposa de
Nicolás Vallín Sotomayor. Ojalá alguien mas puede aclarar lo que preguntas
y lo que no entendí sobre las personas antes mencionadas. Posiblemente Bill
Figueroa sabe mas.

Gracias por acordar de mi por la ayuda que te di de Juan Antonio Moreno
Espinoza. Yo tenia un respuesta incompleta sobre la pregunta que tenias
sobre los Espinosa de la región. El primero del apellido Espinosa fue
Francisco de Espinosa el primer escribano público de Lagos pero no he
podido encontrar nada que relacionara Luisa de Espinosa con Francisco de
Espinosa.

Saludos
Armando

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Carlos Peredo

Estimado Bill

Que interesantes datos nos compartes sobre Guido de Lavezares que al parecer fue nieto del impresor Genovés del mismo nombre avecindado en Sevilla y que editó "Las siete partidas de Alfonso X" en 1491.

Por la cronología, es muy posible que el intrépido Guido que vino dos veces a México y dos a Filipinas sí haya sido hermano de Magdalena de Labezares la que casó con Bernardino de Isla por 1535 y que fueron padres de Benito de Isla el que llegó a México en 1557 como criado de Guido.

Al respecto encontré un dato que parece estar relacionado con esta pareja y con Guido: Se trata de un Juan de Isla que es enviado desde la Nueva España a las Filipinas en 1570; sospecho que puede ser un hijo de Magdalena y Benito y que su tío Guido lo mandó llamar a ayudarlo.

Hay unos records sobre unos Isla que bien pueden ser hijos de Benito y Magdalena, se trata de Diego de Isla que casó por 1595 con María de Velasco y bautizaron a María de Isla el 24-abr-1599 en Mex; así como Juan de Isla casado con Lucía de Vargas, que bautizan a María de Isla de Vargas el 8-jun-1597 en México también.

Así pues, estos Diego y Juan de Isla puden ser hermanos de Magdalena de Lavezari que nació por 1585 y casó por 1605 con Fco González Martínez; y María de Isla Moctezuma Ruelas Labezares nacida por 1595 y que casó por 1620 con Andrés Martín Camacho Sotomayor y que vivieron en Aguascalientes donde , por ejemplo, en 1626 bautizaron a su hijo Nicolás

Hay una dispensa que prueba que las anteriores Magdalena y María eran hermanas.......pero.....no encuentro cómo es que encaja en esta historia una María de Isla y Labezares que nació por 1595 y casó por 1616 con Cristóbal Muñóz Lozano.

Esta última pareja también vivió en Aguascalientes y ahí bautiza a su hija Leonor Lozano Isla el 22-may-1617 y tubieron al menos otras tres hijas: María, Magdalena y Ana.

Tal vez ya fueron aclaradas las siguientes cuestiónes que planteo: - si es así ruego me disculpen -

1. ¿Es que se trata de la misma María de Isla?, es decir, María de Isla casó dos veces, primero con Cristóbal Lozano y Luego con Andrés Martín Sotomayor?

2. ¿De donde surgen sus apellidos Ruelas y Moctezuma, alguien lo ha descifrado ?

Un saludo afectuoso unido a mis mejores deseos para esta temporada navideña.

Carlos Peredo

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Carlos Peredo

Corrijo un dato de mi envio anterior, Juan de Isla el que es enviado a las Filipinas en 1570 no es hijo de Benito y Magdalena de Labezares, es más bien probable hermano de Benito e hijo de Bernardino y Magdalena de Labezares.

La confusión es fácil ya que de acuerdo a información del querido Guillermo Tovar de Teresa, Benito-que era hijo de Magdalena de Labezares (I), también casó con una Magdalena de Labezares (II)(seguramente su prima hermana- hija de Guido de Labezares)

Gracias por su paciencia y quedan las interrogantes ......

Carlos A. Peredo

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Here is a Real Cedula from 23 Nov 1556, giving Guido de Labazares permission to pass to Indias with a "nephew and a doncella." The document is not digitized, but it pretty much establishes that Benito de Isla is the nephew of Guido de Labazares.

From PARES-AGIS
ES.41091.AGI/23.15.2032//INDIFERENTE,1965,L.13,F.234
Real Cédula
1556-11-23 Valladolid
Unidad Documental Simple
Real Cédula a los oficiales de la Casa de la Contratación, para que den licencia a Guido de Labazares, para pasar a Nueva España, con un sobrino y una doncella (extracto).
Descripción elaborada por ARCHIVO GENERAL DE INDIAS
2003-3-24

Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jrefugioghermosillo

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Edgar Olguin Diaz
buenas tardes peredo

me lamo mucho la atencion en el comentario en donde mencionas
que hay un dispensa donde se mencionan la relacion familiar de
Magdalena de Lavezari y María de Isla Moctezuma Ruelas esposa de
Andrés Martín Camacho Sotomayor ?

tienes el link de esta dispensa? o una copia de esta?

te agradezco la atencion prestada

excelente dia
saludos

Comment

Hola Gary,

Con su permiso, aqui la dispensa para Pedro Rodriguez de Frias y Petrona de Yslas que revela la relacion entre Maria de Yslas y Magdalena Lavazares, pero no es la Maria de Ysla casada con Andres Martin; se trata de una hija bastarda y mestiza que tuvo Benito de Ysla con una desconocida:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-23581-37?cc=1804458&wc…

Saludos,
Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jrefugioghermosillo

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Adrián Márquez Padilla

para abram101:

Aqui te envio mi transcripcion, espero te sea de utilidad.
saludos...

Agosto 1663

Nicolas Vallin y
Victoria de Sotomayor
Casados y Velados

En la villa de Aguas Calientes en Diez y Seis dias del mes de Agosto de mil seiscientos sesenta y tres años parecio ante mi Nicolas Vallin vecino de dicha villa a el que habiendo dado información ante mi de ser hombre libre y soltero, para poder contraer matrimonio con Victoria Sotomayor de la feligresia de el rancho La mina de Sierra de pinos y habiendo precedido todo lo que el santo Concilio del Trento y los tres Canones disponen y no resultando como no resulto impedimento alguno, para poder contraer dicho matrimonio.
Le di licencia para fuese a dicho rancho a conocerlo y al otro dia me presento una certificación del tenor siguiente.
El Licenciado German Lopez del Carpio, Cura Vicario y Juez eclesiástico del Rancho de Minas de Sierra de pinos y su jurisdicción Por su majestad certifico y doy fe como en el puerto de la’s vocas juridiccion de dicho rancho Case a Nicolas Vallin y a Victoria de Sotomayor y di licencia para que se velasen a el presbitero Sr. Nicolas Lago Vicario de los Naturales de Sierra de Pinos el que velo a los otros, otro dia Domingo que se contaron cinco del mes de Agosto de este presente año de mil seiscientos y sesenta y tres y para que conste ser verdad lo firme que es dicho en seis dias de dicho mes y año dicho .. German Lopez del Carpio. Y para que conste yo el Licenciado D. Pedro Rincon de Ortega Cura y Vicario Juez eclesiástico de dicha villa y su jurisdicción lo firme en diez y seis dias del mes de agosto dicho año de mil seiscientos sesenta y tres - Rubrica – Lic. Pedro Rincon de Ortega.

Comment

It means he was free to marry. If he had promised to marry someone else or
had another restriction against him, such as being in prison, he would have
been free to marry.

Armando
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 12:00 PM, wrote:

>
> I have a question why doesn't mention Nicolas Vallin being a free man was
> he like a slave or was he in prison recently?
>

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