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Ranchos,

 

Soon after the Spanish Conquest of Mexico and thereafter during Colonial times, the ruling Españoles did not permit the Native Indians from possessing surnames unless the Indios were of a special allied family, the Indios somehow had earned themselves a surname, or eventually the adopted a surname out of names that were not necessarily surnames.

 

Reyes is one such last name.  Every year on January 6, the Catholic Church celebrates the Feast Day of the Epiphany, or Feast of the Magi, when the three wise king visited the Baby Jesus in Bethlehem.  In Mexico and Spain the day is called Epifanía or “Día de los Reyes Magos.”  The “Reyes” were called Melchor, Gaspar, and Baltazar.  So as a result of this holy day, many children born on or near the holy-day were named one or a combination of the following:  José Epifánio, María Epifánia, José de los Reyes, María de los Reyes, Melchor, Melchora, Gaspar, or Baltazar.

 

This is essentially what happened to children born on other
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Rey, Reyes, etc

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I went to this page:



http://genealogy.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.loc.gov/rr/hispanic/geneal/index%5Fgc.html



and plugged Rey in and found that according to this Heraldry Dictionary
the names were different. Of coure that doesn't mean that one name
didn't evolve into the other or a lot of other possibilities:


Index to the Enciclopedia Heráldica Hispano-Americana of
Alberto and Arturo García Carraffa

The 88 volumes of this work, [Library of Congress Call Number:
CR2142.G3] supplemented by a continuing work, offer an immense tribute
to the work of indefatigable genealogists. The work treats Spanish
heraldry in the first two volumes, and with volume three begins the Diccionario
Heráldico y Genealógico de Apellidos Españoles y Americanos, or
a listing of over 15,000 names with their respective genealogical
histories (with color illustrations of representative crests) of
Spanish and Spanish-American families. Please note that on the spine
one finds two
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Rey/Reyes Name

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I have on more than one occasion heard that people with the Rey or 
Reyes last name belong to one and the same family. How can this be 
possible??  Has anyone heard similar comments or can anyone 
elaborate. Is it a root name of another name, where does it 
orginate, does it come from another country??? In my family I have 
RuizRey, Flores-Rey, Rey, these families are from the Camargo 
Chihuahua area. Yet, my daughter married a Tomas Rey in El Paso, Tx.

Are they related or what?

FYI

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Title Descripción y censo general de la Intendencia de Guadalajara,
1789-1793
Stmnt.Resp. José Menéndez Valdés; estudio preliminar y versión de texto
de Ramón Ma. Serrera

Authors	Menendez Valdes, Jose (Main Author)
Serrera, Ramón María (Added Author)

Subjects 	Mexico, Jalisco - Census - Statistics
Mexico, Jalisco - Land and property - Statistics
Mexico, Jalisco - Description and travel

Copies
Call Number 	Location
972.35 X4m 	FHL INTL Book

Format 	Books/Monographs
Language 	Spanish
Publication 	Guadalajara, Jal. : Gobierno de Jalisco, c1980
Physical 	161 p. : il., cartas, 1 mapa (col.)

Subject Class 	972.35 X4
Series 	Colección historia. Serie estadísticas básicas : 1

For a printable version of this record click here then click your
browser's Print button.


© 2002 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.
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Has Anyone Ever Ordered Any of These Films?

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Title	Capellanías, 1606-1899
Authors	Iglesia Católica. Diócesis de Guadalajara (México) (Main Author)

Notes Microfilme de manuscritos en el Archivo de la Sagrada Mitra en
Guadalajara.Ecclesiastical documents regarding donations to the parishes
of the Diocese of Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico for charitable purposes
or for the support of the clergy.


Subjects 	Mexico, Jalisco - Church records
Mexico, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Church records

Format 	Manuscript (On Film)
Language 	Spanish

Publication Salt Lake City [Utah] : Filmados por la Sociedad
Genealógica de Utah, 1957-1958

Physical 	157 carretes de microfilme ; 35 mm.
========================

if you have what kind of information is on them? It appears that it
might have the names of those that gave significant donations? thanks,


joseph
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FYI: Interesting Film/Tecolotlan, Jalisco

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 Film # 1410916

Film

Item 1 Recopilación histórica, genealógica y heráldica de la familia de
Unda Unda y Murillo : llevada acabo especialmente para el Sr. licenciado
Jusús Victor Unda y Murillo Aparicio y Aparicio, Edgar Juan

Item 2 Estudio histórico y genealógico sobre la familia Guerra de las
montañas de Asturias y de Santander : rama de la Nueva Galicia con un
apéndice sobre la familia Romo de Vivar González-Leal, Mariano


Item 3 Los Altamirano en la conquista de América  Morales, Manuel de

Item 4 Libro de oro de los apellidos españoles, su etimología,
genealogía, y heráldica. Vilches y Marín, Ernesto de


Item 5 Los Morales de los Ríos  Nieto y Cortadellas, Rafael

Item 6 Un linaje de San Agustín de Tecolotlán, los Agraz Agraz García
de Alba, Gabriel


6 titles matching the film number.

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Bolaños Y Mezquital del Oro/FYI

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FYI:

Title	Las minas de Nueva España en 1753
Stmnt.Resp.	Alvaro López Miramontes
Authors	López Miramontes, Alvaro (Main Author)

México. Instituto Nacional de Antropología. Departamento de
Investigaciones Históricas. Seminario de Historia Urbana (Added Author)

Notes Incluye índice.Información compilada referente a los reales de
Bolaños, Taxco, Tetela del Río, Tetela de Xonatla, Escandela
(Cadereita), Mezquital del Oro, Santa Eulalia y San Felipe del Real
(Chihuahua) en 1753.The mines of Mexico in 1753.


Subjects 	Mexico - History - 1548-1817
Mexico - Land and property
Mexico - Business records and commerce

Copies
Call Number 	Location
972 H2L 	FHL INTL Book

Format 	Books/Monographs
Language 	Spanish
Publication 	México : Instituto Nacional de Antropología e Historia, 1975
Physical 	108 p. : il.

Subject Class 	972 H2
Series 	Colección científica. Fuentes. Historia económica : 29
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well of course yes thanks for the offer.



thanks,



joseph



Alicia Carrillo wrote:

Joseph,
 
I don't know if you've had a reply yet  regarding the request
for a translator. I can give the translation a try and if I can't get
it just right I can find someone to assist me.
 
We just returned from Tlachichila and Nochistlan Zacatecas.I
have lots of information to share with the group.
 
Please let me know either way.
 
Best Regards, Alicia A Carrillo



Joseph Puentes wrote:



Hey,



is there anyone out there up to a translation request? I send out the
below email to all prospective members. Lately I've found the need to
have the same email in Spanish but I don't feel up to the challenge. .
.well of course I could do it and make it so it sounds like a 3rd
grader did it, but I'd like it to read right. Anyway this letter is an
example and not written in stone (this means if you have suggestions
for a completely new letter to send out sounds good to
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Necesito una Traduccion

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Joseph,
 
I don't know if you've had a reply yet  regarding the request for a translator. I can give the translation a try and if I can't get it just right I can find someone to assist me.
 
We just returned from Tlachichila and Nochistlan Zacatecas.I have lots of information to share with the group.
 
Please let me know either way.
 
Best Regards, Alicia A Carrillo

Joseph Puentes wrote:


Hey,

is there anyone out there up to a translation request? I send out the below email to all prospective members. Lately I've found the need to have the same email in Spanish but I don't feel up to the challenge. . .well of course I could do it and make it so it sounds like a 3rd grader did it, but I'd like it to read right. Anyway this letter is an example and not written in stone (this means if you have suggestions for a completely new letter to send out sounds good to me, but at the minimum keep the 2 requirements to be part of the group part of your version. . .I won't budge on this

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Digest Number 329

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Hi Joseph
I joined the Family Dna,  Is this the same.  I was a little disappointed with them, I paid around $200. 00 total for me and my brother, he is no longer with us as of this year.

What would be different with this DNA to the Family DNA
 
Mary 

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Subject: [ranchos] Digest Number 329



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      2. New file uploaded to ranchos
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      3. New file uploaded to ranchos
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      4. New file uploaded to ranchos
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      5. Re: New file uploaded to ranchos
           From: "marge vallazza" 


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New file uploaded to ranchos

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This is the third time I've gotten this
message.:(  I already went and looked, and it's a fantastic site. 
Marge:)


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Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 4:13
PM

Subject: [ranchos] New file uploaded to
ranchos




Hello,

This email message is a notification
to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the
ranchos
group.

 
File        : /Alberto Duarte
Prieto/Desecndants of Fernando Duarte.pdf
  Uploaded by : albertodua
aduarte@...>

  Description : My Family Trees from Mexico

You can access
this file at the URL:

href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/files/Alberto%20Duarte%20Prieto/Desecndants%20of%20Fernando%20Duarte.pdf">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/files/Alberto%20Duarte%20Prieto/Desecndants%20of%20Fernando%20Duarte.pdf


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albertodua
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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ranchos 
group.

  File        : /Alberto Duarte Prieto/Francisco_s pdf.pdf Yes 
  Uploaded by : albertodua  
  Description : My Family Tree 

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albertodua
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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ranchos 
group.

  File        : /Alberto Duarte Prieto/Francisco Prieto Alvarez family tree.FTW 
  Uploaded by : albertodua  
  Description : My Family Trees from Mexico 

You can access this file at the URL:
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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the ranchos 
group.

  File        : /Alberto Duarte Prieto/Desecndants of Fernando Duarte.pdf 
  Uploaded by : albertodua  
  Description : My Family Trees from Mexico 

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/files/Alberto%20Duarte%20Prieto/Desecndants%20of%20Fernando%20Duarte.pdf 

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albertodua
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DNA Forum

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okay, i just know that some of you are itching (pues rasca) to know
about your Mexican DNA. And i just know you wish this group provided you
with a lot more high quality messages for you to increase your learning
on this subject. . .well never fear the Mexico DNA forum is alive and in
operation thanks to Gary Felix. why not have a look and get all your
questions asked and wait for some good answers. . . .well those answers
won't be coming from me because I'm still in the asking mode.


http://www.ybase.org/forum/forum_topics.asp?FID=511

joseph

ps: the main DNA page for this project is found at:
http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm

Everton's Newsline--13 May 2004

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Joseph,
I have been really busy and have not contributed for a
while.  Is that why I no longer have access to the ranchos
group?
 
Nena Gutierrez-Uhlenburg
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May 2004


Everton's Newsline--13 May 2004
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Magazine Six
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Regular: $41.70
Sale:
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more info

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Hello,

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  File        : /Steven Hernández's Stuff (Pacorro73@...)/Kinship.doc 
  Uploaded by : capitan_paco  
  Description : Kinship between Roberto Martínez and Steven Hernández 

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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
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  File        : /Roberto Martinez  (malinallitekpatl@...)/Jalisco/Padilla-Marquez de Jalos.doc 
  Uploaded by : malinallitekpatl  
  Description : Padilla-Marquez de Jalos 

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Hello,

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  File        : /Roberto Martinez  (malinallitekpatl@...)/Jalisco/Padilla-Gonzalez de San Miguel.doc 
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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
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  File        : /Roberto Martinez  (malinallitekpatl@...)/Jalisco/Martin-Olivar de San Juan de los Lagos.doc 
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  File        : /Roberto Martinez  (malinallitekpatl@...)/Jalisco/Gonzalez-Munos de San Miguel y Jalos.doc 
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New Files Added for Los Altos de Jalisco

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Hey everyone,
Hope you all are having a good weekend.  I made time today to add 
some files to my new Jalisco folder, more specifically 
Jalostotitlan, San Miguel El Alto, and San Juan de los Lagos.  The 
most common names in these files are Gonzalez, Martin, & Padilla.

I'm not all that far into the history of my familia in Jalisco.  But 
I'll be making a lot of additions in the next four months.  I'm 
fortunate to be able to go to Salt Lake City and the Family History 
Library there, and will make a lot of additions to these files in 
early December and early February. 

Check it out.

Take care,
Roberto
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Necesito una Traduccion

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Hey,



is there anyone out there up to a translation request? I send out the
below email to all prospective members. Lately I've found the need to
have the same email in Spanish but I don't feel up to the challenge. .
.well of course I could do it and make it so it sounds like a 3rd
grader did it, but I'd like it to read right. Anyway this letter is an
example and not written in stone (this means if you have suggestions
for a completely new letter to send out sounds good to me, but at the
minimum keep the 2 requirements to be part of the group part of your
version. . .I won't budge on this part!).



thanks,



joseph



============================================




Hello,



I'm glad you are interested in joining the Ranchos group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/.
We are a
small but dedicated group of serious researchers. Here is the
description of the group from our home page:



"This group is for those
actively searching for their Mexican Genealogy Roots. El objetivo de
este
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Roberto Martinez de Los Altos

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que te dije!



I told you that you and Steven would probably hook up. I'm glad you
have caught his interest as now you and those other cousins he
mentioned will have plenty to talk about. If possible it
would be way cool if you could keep the "non personal" discussions on-list
but you guys have to decide that one. Its just good to see some of
my effort paying off in discussion among the members. Anyway if you
keep it on-list very fine and if you go off-list esta bien tambien.



Be ready for the rush of material and in your research if you find that
you expand to other geographical areas of Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
Aguascalientes please share this info as well as others might care to
join your primos network.



oh by the way tambien soy Padilla but my Padillas are from the Juarez,
Chihuahua area and maybe came from Los Altos but I don't have any proof
of that.



oh another thing that would be so very cool would be this DNA thing you
mentioned. It would be great if you get sold
on
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