I don't seem to be able to break any further than what I now have for my
Luna line. I was able to find Maria Trejo's parents (Tomas Trejo and Maria
Espinoza). Might someone recognize these names as their ancestors as well?
Felix Luna and Maria Trejo married 1851… Gregorio Herrera and Fermin
Duran married 1859
Ambrosio Luna Trejo b: 1851 and Patricia Sandoval
Atanacio Luna Trejo b: 1855 and Maria Florencia Herrera Corchado
(I am a direct descendant of this line and have much of the information)
Margarito Luna Trejo b: 1853 and Regina Herrera married in
1876
Jose Jesus Luna Herrera, October 1877
Gregorio Luna Herrera b: 1878
what does 4th degree consanguinity and 4th degree affinity mean? Thank you. Carol (Campos) Lester
---- gpf13@aol.com wrote:
> I looked at the marriage record for Felix Luna and Maria Trejo. They had a dispensation for 4th degree consanguinity and 4th degree affinity. Have you looked for the matrimonial information? This may provide some details.
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> George Fulton
> Pleasanton, CA
Consanguinity means a blood relationship. The definitions of degree vary somewhat by source.
In the Catholic Church, 4th degree consanguinity means 3rd cousins. If you do a google search, you will find articles with tables that illustrate the degrees.
Affinity, on the other hand, means kinship by marriage, ie, an "in-law." In the Church, Canon 109 states:
1. Affinity arises from a valid marriage, even if not consummated, and exists between a man and the blood relatives of the woman and between the woman and the blood relatives of the man.
2. It is so computed that those who are blood relatives of the man are related in the same line and degree by affinity to the woman, and vice versa.
The Church's Canon Law banned marriages within the fourth degree since about 1215, but dispensations were commonly given.
Sometimes the dispensation will give all the details of the relationship, sometimes not.
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
Thank you for the primer, Mr. Fulton. I found your response of great interest, and claity,too.
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Consanguinity means a blood relationship. The definitions of degree vary somewhat by source.
In the Catholic Church, 4th degree consanguinity means 3rd cousins. If you do a google search, you will find articles with tables that illustrate the degrees.
Affinity, on the other hand, means kinship by marriage, ie, an "in-law." In the Church, Canon 109 states:
1. Affinity arises from a valid marriage, even if not consummated, and exists between a man and the blood relatives of the woman and between the woman and the blood relatives of the man.
2. It is so computed that those who are blood relatives of the man are related in the same line and degree by affinity to the woman, and vice versa.
The Church's Canon Law banned marriages within the fourth degree since about 1215, but dispensations were commonly given.
Sometimes the dispensation will give all the details of the relationship, sometimes not.
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
You're welcome!
It is always interesting to find these statements in the marriage records, as in this case. If the dispensation is with the matrimonial investigation there is always the hope that it will provide all the details. Some do, and unfortunately some do not. The dispensations are only sometimes filed with the matrimonial investigation (I looked for this one going back four months prior, but no luck), but sometimes they are elsewhere, perhaps with the diocesan records.
I've seen references that say there are sometimes actual family tree charts in the dispensations, but I've not yet actually seen one.
My experience is that the matrimonial investigation is about a month prior to the wedding, more or less. If a dispensation is needed, the process could start several months prior.
George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA
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Segun el acta de Bautismo de Senon Paulino Alvarez Campos hijo de Jose Maria Alvarez y Ana Francisca Campos bautizado el 23 jun 1839 C600843 film 443989 sus abuelos eran Juan de Dios Albarez y Rafaela de Campos y del lado materno Francisco Campos y Ana Cornejo..
Lety Reynoso
Juan De Dios Alvares
Mexico Marriages, 1570-1950
spouse:
Rafaela De Campos
marriage:
15 May 1793 — Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
record title:
Mexico Marriages, 1570-1950
groom's name:
Juan De Dios Alvares
bride's name:
Rafaela De Campos
marriage date:
15 May 1793
marriage place:
Santo Thomas De Momax,Momax,Zacatecas,Mexico
indexing project (batch) number:
M60084-5
system origin:
Mexico-ODM
source film number:
444019
Juan De Dios Alvares
Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950
spouse:
Rafaela De Campos
record title:
Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950
name:
Jose Maria Alvares Campos
gender:
Male
baptism/christening date:
04 Feb 1796
baptism/christening place:
SANTO THOMAS DE MOMAX,MOMAX,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
father's name:
Juan De Dios Alvares
mother's name:
Rafaela De Campos
indexing project (batch) number:
C60084-1
system origin:
Mexico-ODM
source film number:
443987
Maria Franca. Campos Cornejo
Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950
residence:
Zacatecas, Mexico
parents:
Franco. Campos, Anna Cornejo
record title:
Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950
name:
Maria Franca. Campos Cornejo
gender:
Female
baptism/christening date:
28 Mar 1814
baptism/christening place:
SANTO THOMAS DE MOMAX,MOMAX,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
father's name:
Franco. Campos
mother's name:
Anna Cornejo
indexing project (batch) number:
K60084-2
system origin:
Mexico-ODM
source film number:
443988
Luna Family