P.S. I have read in a couple of places that it is suspected that 
Abraham Lincoln was a Melungeon... I will let you all look up that as 
it is too hard to explain here but needless to say a person "of 
color".

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  
wrote:
>
> The first enlightened leader of the are which we are all 
researching, 
> Miguel de Caldera, was one of the first Mestizos in Mexico.  He 
> encouraged and was trusted by the Spanish Crown and Novo-Spanish 
> (Mexican) vice-roy to take indigenous peoples (Tlaxcaltecs) into 
> the "chichimeca" as a means of pacifying and normalizing relations 
> with the Caxacanes, Zacatecos, Guachichiles, etc.
> 
> He was very successful and I am pretty certain he was brown.  I am 
> now researching Afro-Mexican history and it is amazing to see that 
so 
> many of the leaders of the Mexican independence such as Vicente 
> Guerrero and even Pancho Villa were of African descent... not to 
> mention that Victoriano

I hereby pledge $100 under the condition that I am not part of the 
committee as I am pretty certain that I will be advocating the manner 
in which the money is used and therefore consider that I have a 
conflict of interest.  I nominate Victor Villareal, Angie Godina, 
Mickey Garcia, Rosalinda Ruiz and Angie Godina.  Some are related to 
me so I hereby disclose my nepotistic interests but more importantly 
all are people who have selflessly given to me so I trust them to do 
the same for others.  I have not asked for their permission, so I 
apologize if any of them decline the nomination.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Peggy Delgado"  wrote:
>
> I second that nomination ( I know I don't speak up much, but hey, 
I'll put
> my two centavos in....)
> Also, I'll pledge $10 towards the fund.
> 
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On 
Behalf Of
> Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
>   Sent: Tuesday, November 29

The first enlightened leader of the are which we are all researching, 
Miguel de Caldera, was one of the first Mestizos in Mexico.  He 
encouraged and was trusted by the Spanish Crown and Novo-Spanish 
(Mexican) vice-roy to take indigenous peoples (Tlaxcaltecs) into 
the "chichimeca" as a means of pacifying and normalizing relations 
with the Caxacanes, Zacatecos, Guachichiles, etc.

He was very successful and I am pretty certain he was brown.  I am 
now researching Afro-Mexican history and it is amazing to see that so 
many of the leaders of the Mexican independence such as Vicente 
Guerrero and even Pancho Villa were of African descent... not to 
mention that Victoriano Huerta was Huichol and Benito Juarez was 
Zapotec.  I think that as much prejudice as there was back then, the 
demographic collapse brought about by Eastern Hemisphere diseases 
made it necessary for anybosy to appreciate a bright, hard-working 
person and those exemplary people who were willing to work did well 
for

size=2>-----Original Message-----
From: ranchos@...om
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Alicia Avelar Olmos de
Carrillo
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 5:58 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Nomination of
Candidates

Joseph,

I nominate two people to be
part of the support fund committee. They
would be Alberto Duarte and Irma
Gomez Lucero. How did I arrive at this
nomination? They were the last two
people who volunteered a donation. I
figured this alone makes them viable
candidates as they took an
interest into why and what for. Of course it's
subject to their
acceptance.

Alicia Carrillo de San Jose,
Ca

Joseph,

I nominate two people to be part of the support fund committee. They 
would be Alberto Duarte and Irma Gomez Lucero. How did I arrive at this 
nomination? They were the last two people who volunteered a donation. I 
figured this alone makes them viable candidates as they took an 
interest into why and what for. Of course it's subject to their 
acceptance.

Alicia Carrillo de San Jose, Ca

Actually, you never lose any of your ancestor's
traits.  You are a composite of everyone that came
before you.  Yes, some traits are more predominate
than others.  I'm no exception; my brother's kids all
came out with blond hair and blue eyes while mine came
out with dark eyes and dark hair.  My brother is fair
and I'm dark (just like my grandmother).  In fact,
people use to ask if we were related.  

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California  

--- Irma GomezLucero  wrote:

> I really did not mean to spark anything, and Santo
> Toribio is my only
> claim to fame.  We genealogists are usually joked
> about always being
> related to someone famous.  He's about it so far,
> and my dad looks
> nothing like him.  When my parents visited Europe a
> few decades ago.
> They often mistook my dad as Middle Eastern with his
> dark, curly hair
> and olive complexion.  It was a real shocker when I
> discovered that one
> of his grandmothers was even a Romo.  The
>

Hey, Emile, some mestizos from Jerez held predominate
positions in Zacactecas! Two of our Gracia de la
Cadena family members were governors (Francisco Garcia
Salinas and Trinidad Garcia de la Cadena) of
Zacatecas, and many recent Duartes, Gracias, Tovars,
and Sanchezs are doctors, lawyers, writers, and
successful business men throughout Zacatecas.  But
yes, light skin Mexicans do have an aveage over those
of dark skin, just like in this country.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California
 
--- Emilie Garcia  wrote:

> Irma--
> 
> No, I don't have the surname Romo in my lines.  It
> is my husband's ancestors, the Garcias, who are
> light skinned, tall, light haired, and hazel-eyed or
> blue eyed Tapatios from Jalisco.  The photo of the
> saint in the article for which I sent a link bears a
> striking resemblance to my husband, his father, and
> his great-grandmother, Marciana Cervantes.  I have
> traced some of the Garcias who married into the
> Calzada family

I agree with you Alicia...

My fathers' cousin Angel Ramirez, and his wife Katy,
gave birth in the 50's to Maria and Johnny Ramirez.
The young girl eventually grew to a height of 5'5",
brown eyes, and long beautiful black hair. Her twin
brother growth was cut shot, just under 4 feet, green
eyes, and "what" a carrot top he sported. It took a
while to figure that one. No one thought they were
siblings. I believe many people do not understand what
they are really asking, assuming that it is just a
matter of people having similar physical appearance.
However, since physical appearance is influenced by
environmental factors, and not just genetics, people
can actually look very differently.

Jose Munoz

--- Alicia Carrillo  wrote:

> I think it would be a mis-conception to make
> assumptions about someone's ancestry based solely or
> mostly on their looks. We all know that our genes go
> very far back and with all the inter-mixing of races
> anything is possible. I have a son