There's no difference between the S and Z or X. Remember Xerex or
Xeres, Jerez and so on. People didn't know how to spell then and today
they still don't. We all make miztakex sumtimz. Marge:)

Linda,

This has to do with the popular belief that the advent of migratory
swallows mark the end of winter but that it is not enough to see just
a single astray swallow to think that the summer has arrived.

The translation is: "one swallow maketh not a summer"

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
 wrote:
>
> What does this mean? Una golondrina no hace verano." I've never heard 
> it before...
> Linda
>

What does this mean? Una golondrina no hace verano." I've never heard 
it before...
Linda

Joseph,

A 3 step mutation near match with someone from a different
geographical region and with a different surname is quite a loooong
distance.  As we say in Spanish:  "Una golondrina no hace verano."

This is most likely a case of haplotype convergence and not indicative
of a real genetic affinity.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
>
> no, I meant Ashkenazi. . .my spelling is not so good. I am not sure but 
> some of my y-DNA indications are Ashkenazi, the priests of the tribe of 
> Levi, a Levite. I don't know how much evidence there is for this but
its 
> interesting to wonder about:
> 
> Library of Congress Cataloging-in-Publication Data 	
> 
> 
> 
> 	
> 	
> 
> 
> 	Cimet, Adina, 1951-
> Ashkenazi Jews in Mexico : ideologies in the structuring of a
> community / Adina Cimet.
> p. cm. -- (SUNY series in anthropology and Judaic studies)
> Includes bibliographical references and index.
> ISBN 0-7914-3179-7 (hardcover : acid-free). -- ISBN 0

Alberto,

There is a definitive Sephardic element among the early settlers of
Mexico in colonial times, but not as widespread as some would like you
to believe.  

Some Hispanic persons are carefully researching evidences or hints of
a possible Sephardic ancestry but many more are too eagerly and
hastily donning an ethnic label without sufficient
genealogical/historical or genetic proof to back their claims.

It is something similar to the ever popular reason for pursuing
genealogical research in many people: finding one's royal lineage
ancestors.  The allure of belonging to a special group is a potent
motivator and what's more special than being "chosen by God"?  The
question is are we in a search after factual truths or a fanciful and
embellished version of a glorious past?

Saludos Cordiales,
Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte  wrote:
>
> Regarding our Jewish cousins....
> Joseph, you mean Sephardic Jews.  I've seen a number
> of Sephardic

I found in the records from Tamazula Jalisco back in the late 1600's 
the scribe spelled Juan as Joan on many records.. that's a Portuguese 
spelling. In Jerez I noticed my Tovar ancestor is spelled Thobar, 
Thovar, Tobar and Tovar... all the same family. I would think that's a 
Spanish pronunciation and spelling. Since our ancestors never saw the 
records and sometimes were not even the person giving the information 
it's amazing that so many are traceable and correct! In Jerez I find 
the surname Correa, in Tamazula it's Coria, I'm wondering if it's the 
same family name? Is Davila the same as De Avila? The ancestors must 
get a chuckle from our searches and questions.
Linda in Everett

Joseph,

Alberto is correct about the Portuguese version of some surnames
ending in "s" versus the Castillian version ending in "z".

Of course finding a Gonzales among your ancestors does not necessarily
mean that you had a Portuguese origin relative but rather that the
priest doing the recording was using a particular grammar convention.

The idea of "z" ending surnames as being of Jewish origin is being
propagated by a group called "Los Mesiánicos", but is totally
baseless.  It is a theory that you should write down on your list of
lunatic fringe theories.

By the way, could you explain what you mean about you belonging to the
priestly tribe of Levi?  I remember you mentioned being R1b...

Feliz Navidad!!!

Victor Hugo Villarreal Villagrana
Reynosa, México.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
>
> 
> This reminds me of a question I've been meaning to ask but kind of 
> forget every time I get to the key board. I guess its time (been time) 
> for me to

Regarding our Jewish cousins....
Joseph, you mean Sephardic Jews.  I've seen a number
of Sephardic genealogy websites, most of them
sponsored by people like us that have found their
Jewish roots.  I found a number of early Spanish and
Portuguese Sephardic Jews in early Mexico that had the
last name Duarte, but I've yet to make a connection
with anyone of them.  But I would not be surprised to
find out that some of my ancestors were Sephardic
Jews. 

Also, I've known Spanish Jews here in the United
States and I have found them to be a very intelligent,
friendly and handsome group of people.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California 


--- Joseph Puentes  wrote:

> 
> This reminds me of a question I've been meaning to
> ask but kind of 
> forget every time I get to the key board. I guess
> its time (been time) 
> for me to start writing myself notes so i'll
> remember later [here's a 
> confession---I've been writing myself notes but half
> the time I forget 
> to look at