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Alicia of San Jose

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Hola Carrillo researchers:

My great-grandmother was Francisca Carrillo who was
born in Hujecar in 1843.  She married Casmiro Muro in
1863 (Santa Maria).  Francisca had 15 children that we
know of and we know that 4 came to the US.  I know
very little about the Carrillo's going forward,
however I have traced 3 generations back;  Francisca's
father was Pedro Nolasco Carrillo born 1812 in
Colotlan; m. to Tranquilana Sanchez; Pedro's father
was Felipe Carrillo m. to Mariana de Casas; Felipe
Carrillo's father was Andres Carrillo m. to Maria
Estefana Martinez.  So this puts me in the late 1770's
with the Carrillo's.

My Francisca did make it to the states, my grandfather
Casmiro died in 1911; I find Francisca in the 1930
census in CA living in LA county with her son Juan. 
She lived to be about 94 years old and I'm told she
died in Delicias, Chiuahua.  I've looked at films for
the city from 1932-1938 and found nothing.  So there
is some family there in Chiuahua, I just don't know
who yet or
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Alicia of San Jose

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Hola, Alicia.
Thanks for the response. It was/is a long shot but I'm sure stranger things happened in the past when it comes to making family connections Sad to see that your Carrillo data is a meager as mine. However, I'm certain this will not stop us from looking, asking questions and sharing information. After years of searching I only recently found hard birth data on my father and his brother via the LDS FHC film library. I finally got to experience what it's like to do the "happy dance." I wish the same for you./Adelante-Raul Felix 



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From: Alicia Carrillo
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Subject: Re: [ranchos] Alicia of San Jose

Hola Raul,
 
In response to your letter where you tell of your mother searching for her natural father Jose Carrillo. My heart breaks for her. To live your entire life wondering what became of your father must be heartbreaking.
 
My husband Juan Carrillo's dad was Antonio Carrillo. He was raised almost as

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Alicia of San Jose

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Hola Raul,
 
In response to your letter where you tell of your mother searching for her natural father Jose Carrillo. My heart breaks for her. To live your entire life wondering what became of your father must be heartbreaking.
 
My husband Juan Carrillo's dad was Antonio Carrillo. He was raised almost as an orphan therefore we did not know much about his family. His father died when he was young and his mother left him and his two brothers to be cared for by family members and not close family at that. He grew up not as a family member but mostly as a hired hand for the family's ranch. He never learned to read or write. It was said that his mother was in Kansas but he could never verify it. He died in 1985 before I began my inquiry into our ancestry. What a shame that I did not take the time or opportunity to search or even to ask him in detail while he was alive. 
 
That is what compelled me to go to the rootsweb message boards and post a message searching for Mariana Carrillo
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Alicia of San Jose

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Hola. I responded to Alicia Carrillo's nopalitos
story because I was seeking info with regards the Carrillo name. I believe my
grandfather's name was JOSE CARRILLO but I know very little else about him.
Based on a brief autobiography from my mother, JOSE CARRILLO married
MARIA GARCIA in Chihuahua. They had one child, a daughter, Guadalupe, born
12/12/03. I have NOT BEEN TO CONFIRM/VALIDATE their marriage or the birth
of the child via the Chihuahua City records. I've made two trips to Ciudad
Chihuahua (1997-98). Subsequent trips were made to Zacatecas City. My
research group (La Familia, Anaheim, CA.) also visited nearby Jerez,
Guadalupe and Fresnio. It turns out that my families FERNANDEZ (Grandmother) and
FELIX (grandfather) are from JEREZ, ZAC. and a place called Hermita De
Guadalupe..which I have yet to locate. I can tell you more about Jerez if you
are interested. It is my hope that our research group will visit there
again. What I'd like to share with you is that
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Alicia of San Jose

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I hope I didn't give the wrong impression. Not owning up with pride to being Mexican only lasted until I entered my teens. Our family wouldn't tolerate it for too long. Besides it was more fun to be both Mexican and Gringo. You could have the best of both worlds. I can easily jump into one culture or another. I realized that I didn't have to give up my mexican-ness in order to live and play the American way. I celebrate both cultures with great fervor and joy. Our children also had to speak spanish at home, this as a result of my parents instilling and infusing us with their pride in our heritage. I will forever be greatful to them for this and many other cultural gifts they passed on to us.
 
Our children have continued this pride in their heritage and while all 3 have married non-Mexicans all three celebrate and live both cultures with ease, with pride and with honor to those who came before us. After all, we all still have the Nopales firmly stamped on our forehead.
 
Con mucho
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Alicia of San Jose

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Alicia Carrillo;
    I know how you feel about not
wanting to be labeled a Mexican in an Anglo society. Now that we Latino's
make up 54% of the population of California it is no longer that much of an
issue.    
    I was so very interested to
read your posting and I felt that you put into writing what I had
experienced myself.         My father lived
most of his later years there in San Jose. He lived on Little Orchard
street.   I visited him there a few times before he died.  I
still have relations there.
    The Macias branch of my
family is  from Zacatecas.  I don't know where and there is now no one
to ask.  I saw a place called "Jerez" on a Document.  I wonder if
"Jerez, Zacatecas" is a City, town, parish, rancho, area or rest
stop.  I have never been there and don't have a map.  Do you know,
Alicia ?
    Funny how a thing does not
follow every generation.  My children don't speak Spanish, didn't take
Spanish in school, don't acknowledge when addressed in
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Fwd: [ranchos] Another food thought

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I love it. Just get us Mexicans to talk about our foods and culture and there's no stopping us.
 
Sure you're saying, this Alicia who was ashamed of being different and being Mexican and I'll say yup, one and the same one. That was then and this is now. When you're young and tarugo you never know where your thoughts come from. I share this freely because I know that for some but not for all this is part of growing up. As I age (gracefully of course) I become more and more Mexican. This is what brought me in search of my ancestry the pride that I feel in my culture and the desire to know what made me who I am, who came before me and how did they get here or how long have they been here.(on these shores).
 
Does anyone know about verdolagas? It's a weed that grows in the wild and if you're lucky it grows as a weed in your garden. You prepare it the same way that you prepare Nopales con carne de puerco and chile verde de tomatillo.
 
The reason I bring this up is when we were very young
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Fwd: [ranchos] More about Nopales

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Just one more tidbit on the Nopales recipes.  Yes the nopal salad with queso fresco sounds really good, although in our family we never make it that way.  We'll have to try them that way.  By the way try to use the youngest and most tender PENCAS.  A "penca" is what you call an individual stem/leaf/pad.  See illustration.  That's the top one.  The old pencas are too tough, stringy, and inedible.  A nopal refers to the entire living organism.
 
Surprisingly, nopales are very versatile.  One way is the way every one has suggested.  Cleaning the pencas (dethorning them), chopping into cubes, and boiling with onions and cilantro.  Once their done, you drain the water and can be used for a variety of dishes.  One is a type of salsa, with chopped fresh red tomatoes, white onions, green chiles and cilantro (aka Bandera salsa, because of the colors of the Mexican flag-green, white, and red).  Sometimes we even make this variation with chopped avocado (NOT MASHED, that's guacamole).  With the
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Ranchos/nopales and mexican cooking

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Here are a few websites with some history and recipes for nopales.

Some provide nutritional content, some tell of the origins of the cactus/nopales and you can even order nopales through rivenrock.

 

There are many diabetics that swear that eating lots of nopales decreases their blood sugar but I wouldn't quote that as gospel truth.

 

Alicia

 

 





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Zacatecas and Jalisco Nopales, Ensalada de Nopales

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It appears we have several things in common:
I like nopalitos, I also live in San Jose and we just may share some
distant relatives. According to a brief autobiography of my mother (Guadalupe
Flores), her biological father's name was JOSE CARRILLO. Lupe was orphaned
at a very early age in Ciudad Chihuahua. She believed her mother's name was
Maria Garcia (Hidalgo de Paral) but my research indicates her name was
Maria Macias. Maria died Ciudad Chihuahua at the age of 17 (1905) leaving
her small daughter in the care of an old couple Tomas/Petra Dominquez who later
left the child in the care of Alejandra Castillo. MARIA
GARCIA/MACIAS supposedly married JOSE CARRILLO (Zacatecas) in
Ciudad  Chihuahua. I have not been able to find/verify Guadalupes birth
(Dec. 12, 1903) in Ciudad Chihuahua nor the marriage of Maria to Jose Carrillo.
 
Guadalupe woujld eventually end up in McFarland,
Calif. as the adopted daughter of Alejandra and Gaspar Flores. Alejandra met
Gaspar Flores in
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